Can't defend your game, attack our words. : )

thirdechelon

i haven't posted about darkfall in about 4 months, just checking up on DFs progress, well well surprise surprise no Beta '07....heh.

But dont worry Beta will be early '08, they have a special offer, beta keys will ship with collectors editions of Duke Nukem Forever, get your pre-orders today!

Anyways, seriously.

We cant call it "vapour-ware", we have to wait till Adventurine cancels the project, the DF believers are getting technical and taking exact meaning of your words. They have nothing to show for the game, so whats the best form of defense?, attack!

e.g

DF Hater:  "DF is a piece of crap."

DF Fan Boy:  "No technically a 'piece of crap' is excrement. Furthermore you refer to 'piece of ', Darkfall is neither part of a whole, or connecting to other 'pieces'. OWNDIZZLED DF4TW YO."

 

Thats exactly how it goes down.

 

elitexion

WoW no wonder you think darkfall is vaporware if you see things that way well i guess that just shows the fans are right go back to your whole

thirdechelon

 yes I'm wasting my words here bashing this game, yes im trolling i guess, i dont care.

I do it for one reason, I hate the developers and they're attitude towards the community. it bugs me that they lie to everyone.

Everytime i hear somebody say "hey you heard about that game Darkfall?, well its gonna be the best game ever" it annoys me, its like religious people trying to get people to take a stress test or read a pamphlet, unlike RL where I could start some serious arguments in public places, I'll openly point out the flaws in what you have to say about Darkfall.

elitexion

you saying there lieing doesnt mean there lieing

them not showing us everything doesnt mean there lieing its pretty bad how much war and AOc have to Pr to get any kinda interst in there game

just the ideas for darkfall bring people that want to play but yea WHO CARES IF THER LIEING YOU DONT HA?VE ANY PROOF THEY ARE if they are no harm done to us we jsut go to the next ggame i have plenty of backups XD

daarco

But the real point is not if DF is vaporware, its about why the hell dont we see anything similar DF beeing released?

I mean, a lot of crappy MMOs are released all the time......but there would be a great one released soon.....even by chance we would have one now.

Still...nothing..nothing even close.

Thats why "we" DF fanbois wants atleast something to talk about. "We" that think WoW is a poorly excuse for a MMO.  Sometimes i wish i was a WoW player, then i could flame and troll the DF forum to : )

hopefades

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setview/features/loadFeature/1631/gameID/191

does it really matter? darkfall is doomed either way.

elitexion

Damn hope where can i get your see into the future /crystal ball you just keep repeatign your self and keep trolling dont you YOUR PAID

elitexion

would you guys just stop none of us know what its going to be like but

WE want a game like this so we are going to follow it let us be Why does it matter to you if we follow it or not

according to them thet have some publishers looking at it

elitexion

yea and  a few of the devs have been or was harrsing darkfalld evs so let me repeat again

 

WHY??????

gotha

Abomination to MMOs?

 

A gaming market that has already somehow  stagnated themselves into think PvP MMOs are failures and that only WOW clones will be successful on the market is an Abomination to MMOs.

 

The fact WOW,  one of the most shallow MMOs ever made is 9 million peoples basic idea of what an MMO should be is an Abomination to MMOs.

 

Games like shadowbane,  darkfall,  eve, dark and light,  and others which actually have the balls to try something new are our only hope to drive this gaming market to the  its full potencial.

 

As for evidence of there being a game.  One can look to the fact a loan 28 million dollar loan was approved by to the aventurine company after being review by lawyers.  You can look to the fact that aventurine is not just some no name company but that it is actually hired by the Greek military to run war games.   You can also look to the countless interviews by people like asps and others who have actually visited the office and checked out the game for themselves.

 

Plus to top all this off,  as with dark and light,  you do not have to worry about the game being released to early.

 

 

You cannot seriously be comparing this to dawn,  just a basic look at both webpages proves how stupid of a comparison that is.  And even more deeper look into both companies history makes the comparison even more ridiculous.

Questionable

Originally posted by Rhoklaw


Because the Mourning fiascal is more recent, most of us probably know about it. In case some of you haven't heard of the game known as Dawn, here is the first example of a very long road of games claiming one thing and the end result being reality of lies.
www.glitchless.com/

Sure compaines have lied in the past but vague connections doesnt make for very good evidence.

dragulea

It's better to have negative publicity, than no publicity at all, and Aventurine knows it very well. What I'm trying to say is that the creators of the game profit from all these endless debates, because the disputes keep the players' interest high (untill they'll finally decide to release the game...prolly around the time the first human colonists would reach planet  Mars). More controversy means more feedback for them. It's that simple.

Questionable

Originally posted by Rhoklaw


Darkfall is an abomination of the MMO era. Secrecy on Aventurine's part is killing them.
Is it? Are you suggesting that a game has never been ripped of an idea? They want this game complete by the time they hit beta which means they have to take a lot longer than most and if they released tons of info about their game all of a sudden than it just increases a chance of it being stolen.
You can sit here and claim your beliefs that Darkfall is going to be a great game, but just like me, your knowledge of it's ligitimacy is minimal to nothing. All you can do is say, Aventurine promised us a great game, it must be true.
Then you are calling everyone that has played DF a liar. I'm sorry but I'm hesitant to call a group of people liars when I base it on little to no evidence.
One thing you need to learn about new gaming companies is that nothing is for certain. There have been several examples of this ranging from the very first game known as Dawn, to Mourning, to Dark and Light and so on.
That could be said of anything and it really isnt a new gaming company.
Aventurine's history is minimal, their progress is excruciatingly slow and their updates remind me of the guy claiming the same crap for his game called Dawn.
Excruciatingly slow? Being quite hypocritical arent we? You say we don't know anything but yet you claim that they go at a slow pace and what sort of backing do you have for that? If your going to make a point than at least try not to contradict yourself. As for the updates I really don't know much about dawn nor of its updates.
No offense, but anyone can write up a web design, create some alpha stage footage and claim to have the MMO that will make everyone wet themselves. It's been done before and Aventurine has way too many red flags at this point to recieve and backing from the likes of publishers.
Your pointing alot of fingers without alot of backing which makes it hard to take what your saying seriously and requires more faith to believe that than it would to believe in DF.

 

undiesusa

Originally posted by hopefades


http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setview/features/loadFeature/1631/gameID/191
does it really matter? darkfall is doomed either way.

ROFL.

 

You just linked to AOC. Level based, controlled pvp, gear based, and non FPS controls.

 

Right DF is doomed when it comes out.

 

Your a fool.

Ammon777

Doesnt matter what you might say, Darkfall will be successful even if you continually insist that its not going to be a success in the PvP-market. At least some developer (Aventurine) has the guts to change the Everquest system to Ultima-like skill-based system. Just because they (Aventurine) didnt hire a PR person to continually blabber about the merits of Darkfall, doesnt mean the game will not be good for PvPers. I think you people that hate on Darkfall would be satisfied with Eternal Classes with Levels games. Well thats nice for you, but we actually want to play something different than that... So whats harm in hoping for something innovative like Darkfall? Nothing wrong with that.

Put concisely, your opinion doesnt affect us DFO hopefuls.  Try again all you want. We've been arguing with your type for years, nothin has changed except that you might continue with hating even after Darkfall releases in 2008. 

dalevi1

Originally posted by gotha


Abomination to MMOs?
 
A gaming market that has already somehow  stagnated themselves into think PvP MMOs are failures and that only WOW clones will be successful on the market is an Abomination to MMOs.
 
The fact WOW,  one of the most shallow MMOs ever made is 9 million peoples basic idea of what an MMO should be is an Abomination to MMOs.
 
Games like shadowbane,  darkfall,  eve, dark and light,  and others which actually have the balls to try something new are our only hope to drive this gaming market to the  its full potencial.
 
As for evidence of there being a game.  One can look to the fact a loan 28 million dollar loan was approved by to the aventurine company after being review by lawyers.  You can look to the fact that aventurine is not just some no name company but that it is actually hired by the Greek military to run war games.   You can also look to the countless interviews by people like asps and others who have actually visited the office and checked out the game for themselves.
 
Plus to top all this off,  as with dark and light,  you do not have to worry about the game being released to early.
 
 
You cannot seriously be comparing this to dawn,  just a basic look at both webpages proves how stupid of a comparison that is.  And even more deeper look into both companies history makes the comparison even more ridiculous.

Did you just have the balls to say Dark and Light?

gotha

I commended them for at least trying something knew even if they failed horribly at it.  Hell there terrain making engine was actually nicely made.  It is sad the rest of the game sucked

daelnor

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Originally posted by dalevi1

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Originally posted by gotha

Abomination to MMOs?
 
A gaming market that has already somehow  stagnated themselves into think PvP MMOs are failures and that only WOW clones will be successful on the market is an Abomination to MMOs.
 
The fact WOW,  one of the most shallow MMOs ever made is 9 million peoples basic idea of what an MMO should be is an Abomination to MMOs.
 
Games like shadowbane,  darkfall,  eve, dark and light,  and others which actually have the balls to try something new are our only hope to drive this gaming market to the  its full potencial.
 
As for evidence of there being a game.  One can look to the fact a loan 28 million dollar loan was approved by to the aventurine company after being review by lawyers.  You can look to the fact that aventurine is not just some no name company but that it is actually hired by the Greek military to run war games.   You can also look to the countless interviews by people like asps and others who have actually visited the office and checked out the game for themselves.
 
Plus to top all this off,  as with dark and light,  you do not have to worry about the game being released to early.
 
 
You cannot seriously be comparing this to dawn,  just a basic look at both webpages proves how stupid of a comparison that is.  And even more deeper look into both companies history makes the comparison even more ridiculous.

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Did you just have the balls to say Dark and Light?

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LOL. I had to read that post twice myself Daledevil. I think that guy is confused...listing one of the biggest failures ever as a good thing? Either he is really confused, or he is attempting some vague sarcastic jab at DF?

DNL LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!

D.

D.

daelnor

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Originally posted by gotha
I commended them for at least trying something knew even if they failed horribly at it.  Hell there terrain making engine was actually nicely made.  It is sad the rest of the game sucked

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Dude..they're getting the crap sued out of them for copyright infringement and stuff over that terrain engine.

I think I understand what you're trying to say, but whether DF ever comes out or not, you can't compare it to DNL until it rips a bunch of people off, lies totally about the finished project and illegally uses a bunch of other peoples work.

Basically, you're not helping the DF side of things by comparing them to DNL.

I'll buy on shadowbane though. (great game BTW...just poor implementation.)

D.

gotha

Originally posted by daelnor


 

Originally posted by gotha

I commended them for at least trying something knew even if they failed horribly at it.  Hell there terrain making engine was actually nicely made.  It is sad the rest of the game sucked

 

Dude..they're getting the crap sued out of them for copyright infringement and stuff over that terrain engine.

I think I understand what you're trying to say, but whether DF ever comes out or not, you can't compare it to DNL until it rips a bunch of people off, lies totally about the finished project and illegally uses a bunch of other peoples work.

Basically, you're not helping the DF side of things by comparing them to DNL.

I'll buy on shadowbane though. (great game BTW...just poor implementation.)

D.

The copyright infringement is by one of their own developer,  not that they ripped it off but that he is the proper owner of it and using it without his consent.  Game is a total waist i will agree,  but still have to commend them for trying something new even if they failed at it utterly got themselves in over their head and started ripping people off for whatever reason.  I will respect almost any game that at least has the balls to not use cookie cutter templates.  There are just a lot i will never play,  like dark and light.

stellingMr

lol this Questionable guy is a real piece of work. Reminds me of the old Iraq PR guy. Remember him?  He would go on Iraq TV and preach to all the Iraq people of how the Americans are no where in sight even while they were pulling Sadams statue down in the center square.

To the very last eh Questionable? They should hire you as their PR guy. Or maybe you are already?..

"As for evidence of there being a game.  One can look to the fact a loan 28 million dollar loan was approved by to the aventurine company after being review by lawyers. "

haha anyone who truly believes this needs to go have their heads examined. They did not get any cash loan for 28 mill nor is there any documents anywhere supporting that.  Nor has Aventurine ever stated that this was true.  It's just the fanboys reading way too much into some vague text blurb on the internet about the issuing of convertible bonds.

It doesn't say any of those convertible bonds were sold. Putting 27.5 million up in covertible bonds doesn't mean they sold them. The only information provided states that a Law Firm represented someone called Aventurine in the actions of putting up the bonds for purchase. There are no records, transactions or documents stating that they did in fact sell any bonds.



You can read that bond statement all you like, the keyword is "ISSUED" bonds, not "SOLD" bonds.

http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release.do?id=800655

There is an example of what they did as I understand it. Aventurine issued 28 mill worth of convertible bonds...  but investors have to buy those bonds first.. which later change into shares in the company.

And the fact they even did this doesn't bode too well.. because it simply says they need cash for something.. (I thought they had investors?)  and since Darkfall is really the only thing they have going.. it's most likely for that reason..

hal9001

 

Originally posted by stellingMr


lol this Questionable guy is a real piece of work. Reminds me of the old Iraq PR guy. Remember him?  He would go on Iraq TV and preach to all the Iraq people of how the Americans are no where in sight even while they were pulling Sadams statue down in the center square.
To the very last eh Questionable? They should hire you as their PR guy. Or maybe you are already?..
"As for evidence of there being a game.  One can look to the fact a loan 28 million dollar loan was approved by to the aventurine company after being review by lawyers. "
haha anyone who truly believes this needs to go have their heads examined. They did not get any cash loan for 28 mill nor is there any documents anywhere supporting that.  Nor has Aventurine ever stated that this was true.  It's just the fanboys reading way too much into some vague text blurb on the internet about the issuing of convertible bonds.
It doesn't say any of those convertible bonds were sold. Putting 27.5 million up in covertible bonds doesn't mean they sold them. The only information provided states that a Law Firm represented someone called Aventurine in the actions of putting up the bonds for purchase. There are no records, transactions or documents stating that they did in fact sell any bonds.



You can read that bond statement all you like, the keyword is "ISSUED" bonds, not "SOLD" bonds.
http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release.do?id=800655
There is an example of what they did as I understand it. Aventurine issued 28 mill worth of convertible bonds...  but investors have to buy those bonds first.. which later change into shares in the company.

Yeah, if a bank actually loaned them 28 million bucks those bank managers would be going to jail pretty soon.  Do you DF fans think banks just shit money down the toilet?  What a joke.

 

 

"Hi, bankers.  I've got this company, can't tell you too much about it, but we're developing an Internet computer game.  It's pretty cool.  Can't tell you much about the game, NDA and whatever, but we liked playing computer games a lot and we decided to make one too that has everything we ever wanted in it.  Good business model, eh?  No, we haven't ever made a game before, or made any money before, nobody has ever played our game, nobody in our company has ever sold a game, or worked for a successful game company, or worked for any game company.  But forget about the small stuff, we have these screenshots we made four years ago, looks good, eh?  And the best part is, we only need $28 million dollars to finish developing this game!!!"

 

Xris375

Originally posted by stellingMr


lol this Questionable guy is a real piece of work. Reminds me of the old Iraq PR guy. Remember him?  He would go on Iraq TV and preach to all the Iraq people of how the Americans are no where in sight even while they were pulling Sadams statue down in the center square.
To the very last eh Questionable? They should hire you as their PR guy. Or maybe you are already?..
"As for evidence of there being a game.  One can look to the fact a loan 28 million dollar loan was approved by to the aventurine company after being review by lawyers. "
haha anyone who truly believes this needs to go have their heads examined. They did not get any cash loan for 28 mill nor is there any documents anywhere supporting that.  Nor has Aventurine ever stated that this was true.  It's just the fanboys reading way too much into some vague text blurb on the internet about the issuing of convertible bonds.
It doesn't say any of those convertible bonds were sold. Putting 27.5 million up in covertible bonds doesn't mean they sold them. The only information provided states that a Law Firm represented someone called Aventurine in the actions of putting up the bonds for purchase. There are no records, transactions or documents stating that they did in fact sell any bonds.



You can read that bond statement all you like, the keyword is "ISSUED" bonds, not "SOLD" bonds.
http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release.do?id=800655
There is an example of what they did as I understand it. Aventurine issued 28 mill worth of convertible bonds...  but investors have to buy those bonds first.. which later change into shares in the company.
And the fact they even did this doesn't bode too well.. because it simply says they need cash for something.. (I thought they had investors?)  and since Darkfall is really the only thing they have going.. it's most likely for that reason..

lol - you created an account for that ? You even don't have the balls to use your own anonymous account, so you actually had to make another one  ? You are SO blocked troll.

daarco

Still the best part: Everyone here on the DF forum will play the game if it gets relesed. Even the haters would gladly skip AoC or WAR for DF : )

Static level grind or player based sandbox...........hmm........tough one!      LOL

So i dont see what the problem is?

gotha

 

Originally posted by stellingMr


lol this Questionable guy is a real piece of work. Reminds me of the old Iraq PR guy. Remember him?  He would go on Iraq TV and preach to all the Iraq people of how the Americans are no where in sight even while they were pulling Sadams statue down in the center square.
To the very last eh Questionable? They should hire you as their PR guy. Or maybe you are already?..
"As for evidence of there being a game.  One can look to the fact a loan 28 million dollar loan was approved by to the aventurine company after being review by lawyers. "
haha anyone who truly believes this needs to go have their heads examined. They did not get any cash loan for 28 mill nor is there any documents anywhere supporting that.  Nor has Aventurine ever stated that this was true.  It's just the fanboys reading way too much into some vague text blurb on the internet about the issuing of convertible bonds.
It doesn't say any of those convertible bonds were sold. Putting 27.5 million up in covertible bonds doesn't mean they sold them. The only information provided states that a Law Firm represented someone called Aventurine in the actions of putting up the bonds for purchase. There are no records, transactions or documents stating that they did in fact sell any bonds.



You can read that bond statement all you like, the keyword is "ISSUED" bonds, not "SOLD" bonds.
http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release.do?id=800655
There is an example of what they did as I understand it. Aventurine issued 28 mill worth of convertible bonds...  but investors have to buy those bonds first.. which later change into shares in the company.
And the fact they even did this doesn't bode too well.. because it simply says they need cash for something.. (I thought they had investors?)  and since Darkfall is really the only thing they have going.. it's most likely for that reason..

I will give you the win on the business front.  Here is the exact statement,  because i have no clue what your link it too,  but not to anything darkfall related.

 

"Established in 1863, Lambadarios Law Offices has had an encouraging year advising Chandris Hotels on a bond loan to finance the construction of a new hotel in Thessaloniki for €40 million, acting for Aventurine in relation to its issue of a €20 million convertible bond loan with Marfin Bank,"

 

had the amount wrong so sue me.  Other points made though still stand.

 

They also do run wargames for the Greek military,  so darkfall is not the only thing they have going.

 

And i when a bank issues them the bonds they then can then put them up for sale? 

What criteria does a corp normally have to meat to get bonds of that magnitude?

stellingMr

 

acting for Aventurine in relation to its issue of a €20 million convertible bond loan with Marfin Bank,"

http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release.do?id=800655

 

same thing the above company did.. they issued 200 mill worth of convertible bonds.

Aventurine issued 20 mill worth of converible bonds through Marfin bank. Marfin Bank didn't give them 20 million bucks..