"acting for Aventurine in relation to its issue of a €20 million convertible bond loan with Marfin Bank," Take a look at the "its" in that sentance.
the possessive form of itThe book has lost its jacket.
The way I read that sentance tells me that Aventurine issued convertible bonds through Marfin Bank. "Acting for Aventurine in relation to "ITS" (Aventurines) issue of....
So unless your saying that the other company is giving 200 million dollars worth of bonds for free than that sentence shows that they were sold. Remember Issued can be a synonym for sold.
Originally posted by stellingMr
No they did not. They put them up for sale. No where does it say they actually sold any of them. Sorry to burst you're bubble Questionable. But if you would have had even the slightest commen sense and stopped being a rabid mouth foaming fanboy for 10 seconds you would of realized a long time ago that no bank on the planet would have given Aventurine 28 mill in cash money.
Do we have to go over what I just said? Issued can be a synonym sold.
Yes it can be. But was it? unlikely.
Why is that? 28 milllion is a very large amount of cash for any game developer. And upon issueing such a large amount of money there would have to be some... reason.(To actually earn back 28 million, they would have to sell 560,000 copies(if they were to sell the copies directly from themselves rather then places that take their cut). Something darkfall won't ever do)
Darkfall may be some peoples wet dream, but guess what? Banks don't give a shit about "open pvp" "boats!?!?!" "politickz!". Aventurine is a no name company(please don't go into military simulations, absolutely nothing in common with game development). Darkfall is a unknown game, with a very niche following.
Was this the only money ever spent on darkfall? it better be.
EVEN IF, they did get a loan of this much. Guess what? The companies going to go belly up faster then the vaporware users will ever make it go.
Darkfall is a niche, unknown, indie game. It would be lucky to get 100,000 boxes sold, and subscriptions wouldn't fix it.
Aventurine better know this, otherwise taking in that much is a death warrant.
A mmorpg with that much of a financial backing(which makes it glaringly obvious that it actually doesn't have that much money). Can not sustain itself on a niche audience. It will die a horrible bloody death if they really did recieve this much money.
A game has to recoup it's development cost, and THEN maintain a userbase high enough to turn a profit or at least break even to live. AC2, couldn't, AA couldn't, etc etc
lol nice 1 you seem to take this mmorpg kinda personal dont you why are you hear again ?
i garrentee they have over 100 mill into the game
that 28 mill was something from a like 4-5 months ago and we dont even know if they got the money they could have and we dont know what it was used for
We do know they do military stuff and they are a known company over in greece not any where else. they have money but yea
it going to start slow like eve
but go play mount and blade and tell me you dont like that combat system with df improving on it even more
and with a combat system like that with more 2 it O_O the game will kill wow if its a godo quality game
OMG, how can you even compare WoW to DF? It's a completely different game, with probably two totally different types of customers.
WoW is by far the biggest MMORPG out there, how can you even think that DF will get close to the numbers of subscribers that WoW has?
Especially with it's very niche target audience. Mind, I'm not saying that DF will be bad or anything like it. I would love to give it a try. But it will have to be released first, and even then if it would be resounding success, I doubt it would ever reach the number of customers that WoW has.
Try to compare it to a similar game, that would probably make more sense.
PvP MMOs have always done "ok". Nothing big or to small. And that was back in 1997-2004.
Today, we have to thank Blizzard for introducing MMOs to the mainstream audience.
There a few millions new MMO players today. And many of those are wondering about more complex MMOs the WoW.
Yet, the computer games industry have gone passed music.....and are the way to go ahead of the movie industry as well. So saying DF wont have players.......thats a bit naive.
We have only seen the beginning of the MMO era.
And then DF beeing the first MMO ever to make all those features into one game, that cant hurt either : )
So now we just need to see it released LOL.
And it was again on swedish TV....same DF add as last time. Still nice.
i haven't posted about darkfall in about 4 months, just checking up on DFs progress, well well surprise surprise no Beta '07....heh. But dont worry Beta will be early '08, they have a special offer, beta keys will ship with collectors editions of Duke Nukem Forever, get your pre-orders today! Anyways, seriously. We cant call it "vapour-ware", we have to wait till Adventurine cancels the project, the DF believers are getting technical and taking exact meaning of your words. They have nothing to show for the game, so whats the best form of defense?, attack! e.g DF Hater: "DF is a piece of crap." DF Fan Boy: "No technically a 'piece of crap' is excrement. Furthermore you refer to 'piece of ', Darkfall is neither part of a whole, or connecting to other 'pieces'. OWNDIZZLED DF4TW YO."
Thats exactly how it goes down.
Nobody force you to follow or wait untill its released.
So your just full of crap, this game will come and will surprise whole mmo community how good it is for all who love a rich and deep gameplay with core build around true open pvp:)
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Yet, the computer games industry have gone passed music.....and are the way to go ahead of the movie industry as well. So saying DF wont have players.......thats a bit naive.
Mind, I didn't say that it won't have ANY players, just not nearly as much as WoW.
My guess is it might reach around 100.000 players, that would be really good already.
My guess is it might reach around 100.000 players, that would be really good already.
Well your guess is wrong. If Darkfall ever launches , it would be very lucky to get 20-30k active subscribers. And I don't think it would even be able to get that many.
It isn't 1999 anymore when it was very easy to get people to pay 2 play a MMORPG. There;s tons of high quality options out there. And lots of free opttions too. Warhammer and Age of Conan alone will wreak havok on any chances Darkfall may have had to be a big success.
My guess is it might reach around 100.000 players, that would be really good already.
Well your guess is wrong. If Darkfall ever launches , it would be very lucky to get 20-30k active subscribers. And I don't think it would even be able to get that many.
It isn't 1999 anymore when it was very easy to get people to pay 2 play a MMORPG. There;s tons of high quality options out there. And lots of free opttions too. Warhammer and Age of Conan alone will wreak havok on any chances Darkfall may have had to be a big success.
But....it was harder in 1999 to get MMO players. Just look at WoW, nine million players. So its not impossible for a MMO to get 100 000 players.
And can you name one "high quality option" ? No, there isnt one! Or do you have very low standards?
AoC and WAR is example of NEW MMOs...not high quality options.
Originally posted by thirdechelon ...beta keys will ship with collectors editions of Duke Nukem Forever, get your pre-orders today!
That would probably be the best idea ever. I know I'd pre-order.
But really, this topic is pointless. The reason people get so bitter over people who discredit Darkfall at every turn is because they can't really see a good reason to do so aside from blatant trolling. It's like if I picked out a movie or other game that would essentially be your dream game/film and went around constantly coming up with reasons that it'll never happen, and that you'd never be able to even come close to experiencing it.
But I think that we can all agree that getting Darkfall and Duke Nukem Forever in the same package would be awesome.
Yeah, i know whet you mean. Aliens vs Predator was waporvare movies from 1992 - 2004.
Still people believed it would happen : ) And it did : (
Hopefully the next one is better.
And Howitzer....i just want a good MMO. Scion of Fate have 60 million players, still its a crappy game. McDonalds have hundreds of millions of people eating their food...and its still crap food.
So the number of subscibers have nothing to do with the quality of the game.....nothing. But i really wish it was so.
It's like if I picked out a movie or other game that would essentially be your dream game/film and went around constantly coming up with reasons that it'll never happen, and that you'd never be able to even come close to experiencing it.
Well your guess is wrong. If Darkfall ever launches , it would be very lucky to get 20-30k active subscribers. And I don't think it would even be able to get that many.
If DF launches and is playable with even 80% of the features they promised it will do great, if this is a world wide release that includes Asia then the game will be quite popular there most of the subs will come from there at least 70% rest US and EU.
It isn't 1999 anymore when it was very easy to get people to pay 2 play a MMORPG. There;s tons of high quality options out there. And lots of free opttions too. Warhammer and Age of Conan alone will wreak havok on any chances Darkfall may have had to be a big success.
No not really not at the moment, AOC and maybe Warhammer but they are not out yet. I think AOC is more of a threat then Warhammer is though, it really depends on the game play of AOC and how they managed to intergrate the pvp into the system. I have not tested AOC so i cant really comment on it to be honest here, but one thing is sure you will need a monster rig to run the game and I think that essentialy the performance issue with the game will hold AOC back a bit.
No the only thing it depends on is if AoC and War launch. Which they will. They are in a completely different league in regards to development of a mmorpg title. The only hope DF has is if both cancel.. which isn't going to happen.
Just face the facts. Darkfall had it''s shot about 3 years ago. Now it's waiting to fail. They just can't admit it publically yet.
No the only thing it depends on is if AoC and War launch. Which they will. They are in a completely different league in regards to development of a mmorpg title. The only hope DF has is if both cancel.. which isn't going to happen.
Warhammer is a joke, it's a world of warcraft copy cat clone. As for AOC, they can certainly put a dent into DF but that all depends on how they integrated the PVP system, from what I understand AOC is a level based game with PVP integreted into border kingdoms so it's not really open pvp game to begin with.
I am curious to know if AOC will release in march 2008, I hope they do and i hope its stable because I will more likely check it out and play it till DF comes out. From what I hear DF still needs at least 6 to 8 months of closed beta, so I don't really expect any miracles in fact I would be surprised to see DF launch in 2008.
As for AOC, they can certainly put a dent into DF but that all depends on how they integrated the PVP system
No. The only thing it depends on is if AoC and War launch. Which they will. They are in a completely different league in regards to development of a mmorpg title. The only hope DF has is if both cancel.. which isn't going to happen.
The sooner people get this through their thick skulls.. the better off they'll be.
As for AOC, they can certainly put a dent into DF but that all depends on how they integrated the PVP system
No. The only thing it depends on is if AoC and War launch. Which they will. They are in a completely different league in regards to development of a mmorpg title. The only hope DF has is if both cancel.. which isn't going to happen.
The sooner people get this through their thick skulls.. the better off they'll be.
Well since your an economics major, and MMOR specialist, and with all your experience you have behind you. Im going to agree. Everyone, Dont even lookin in this forum anymore. Since AOC and War are going to launch, this game wont matter. Please leave this forum and soon as possible so we can close it.
I know, I know, Im feeding the troll. But its wierd how he knows that noone will play DF once AOC and War comes out. I for one wont be playing those games.....WAIT A MINUTE!!! If im not going to play those 2 games, then thats got to mean somone else wont either cause I can't be the only person thinking that!! Which means people are actually going to wait for DF?! Which means.......... People will play DF!!!! Holly crap!!! This can't be real though, my thoughts have to be flawed becuase SLI2000 said so.
It's called commen sense. Get some. Ya people will play it -- the 10 others along with you.
I am sure you'll have fun running around an empty world playing with yourself while everyone else is playing War and AoC in the millions and don't have to actually look for people to interact with.
What??? Only MY opinion matters here! No one else exist in this world of mmo's! What I like everyone LIKES or BETTER like.. And I say that ALL MMO's will FAIL! mwahaha.. I am the ultimate voice so what I say is true.. Agree or face the angry wraith of all the human gods! And thats ALOT of them..
SLI, I prefer to play an MMO with just a couple of poeple, then to be an unknown face in the masses in clones like WAR.
then why bother to post here? obviously u are a loner so stay away from the forums.
This is where you are wrong. There is more cooperation in game with smaller comunities and poeple have to rely more on there poeples skills then in games like world of warcraft where the comunity is big and ones action do not have an effect on the comunity of his or her reputation as much. The bigger an comunity, the more solo players there will be.
Beside that fact that an individual, or what you refer to as an loner, has an right to an opinion and therefor the right to post on these forums.
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The only person you should feel for is yourself - wasting time in a forum for a game you deem won't release. You don't have room to laugh.
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So unless your saying that the other company is giving 200 million dollars worth of bonds for free than that sentence shows that they were sold. Remember Issued can be a synonym for sold.Do we have to go over what I just said? Issued can be a synonym sold.
Yes it can be. But was it? unlikely.
Why is that? 28 milllion is a very large amount of cash for any game developer. And upon issueing such a large amount of money there would have to be some... reason.(To actually earn back 28 million, they would have to sell 560,000 copies(if they were to sell the copies directly from themselves rather then places that take their cut). Something darkfall won't ever do)
Darkfall may be some peoples wet dream, but guess what? Banks don't give a shit about "open pvp" "boats!?!?!" "politickz!". Aventurine is a no name company(please don't go into military simulations, absolutely nothing in common with game development). Darkfall is a unknown game, with a very niche following.
Was this the only money ever spent on darkfall? it better be.
EVEN IF, they did get a loan of this much. Guess what? The companies going to go belly up faster then the vaporware users will ever make it go.
Darkfall is a niche, unknown, indie game. It would be lucky to get 100,000 boxes sold, and subscriptions wouldn't fix it.
Aventurine better know this, otherwise taking in that much is a death warrant.
A mmorpg with that much of a financial backing(which makes it glaringly obvious that it actually doesn't have that much money). Can not sustain itself on a niche audience. It will die a horrible bloody death if they really did recieve this much money.
A game has to recoup it's development cost, and THEN maintain a userbase high enough to turn a profit or at least break even to live. AC2, couldn't, AA couldn't, etc etc
You fanboys better hope stelling is right.
lol nice 1 you seem to take this mmorpg kinda personal dont you why are you hear again ?
i garrentee they have over 100 mill into the game
that 28 mill was something from a like 4-5 months ago and we dont even know if they got the money they could have and we dont know what it was used for
We do know they do military stuff and they are a known company over in greece not any where else. they have money but yea
it going to start slow like eve
but go play mount and blade and tell me you dont like that combat system with df improving on it even more
and with a combat system like that with more 2 it O_O the game will kill wow if its a godo quality game
WoW is by far the biggest MMORPG out there, how can you even think that DF will get close to the numbers of subscribers that WoW has?
Especially with it's very niche target audience. Mind, I'm not saying that DF will be bad or anything like it. I would love to give it a try. But it will have to be released first, and even then if it would be resounding success, I doubt it would ever reach the number of customers that WoW has.
Try to compare it to a similar game, that would probably make more sense.
PvP MMOs have always done "ok". Nothing big or to small. And that was back in 1997-2004.
Today, we have to thank Blizzard for introducing MMOs to the mainstream audience.
There a few millions new MMO players today. And many of those are wondering about more complex MMOs the WoW.
Yet, the computer games industry have gone passed music.....and are the way to go ahead of the movie industry as well. So saying DF wont have players.......thats a bit naive.
We have only seen the beginning of the MMO era.
And then DF beeing the first MMO ever to make all those features into one game, that cant hurt either : )
So now we just need to see it released LOL.
And it was again on swedish TV....same DF add as last time. Still nice.
Nobody force you to follow or wait untill its released.So your just full of crap, this game will come and will surprise whole mmo community how good it is for all who love a rich and deep gameplay with core build around true open pvp:)
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77
CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k
GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now))
MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB
PSU:Corsair AX1200i
OS:Windows 10 64bit
Mind, I didn't say that it won't have ANY players, just not nearly as much as WoW.
My guess is it might reach around 100.000 players, that would be really good already.
Well your guess is wrong. If Darkfall ever launches , it would be very lucky to get 20-30k active subscribers. And I don't think it would even be able to get that many.
It isn't 1999 anymore when it was very easy to get people to pay 2 play a MMORPG. There;s tons of high quality options out there. And lots of free opttions too. Warhammer and Age of Conan alone will wreak havok on any chances Darkfall may have had to be a big success.
Well your guess is wrong. If Darkfall ever launches , it would be very lucky to get 20-30k active subscribers. And I don't think it would even be able to get that many.
It isn't 1999 anymore when it was very easy to get people to pay 2 play a MMORPG. There;s tons of high quality options out there. And lots of free opttions too. Warhammer and Age of Conan alone will wreak havok on any chances Darkfall may have had to be a big success.
But....it was harder in 1999 to get MMO players. Just look at WoW, nine million players. So its not impossible for a MMO to get 100 000 players.
And can you name one "high quality option" ? No, there isnt one! Or do you have very low standards?
AoC and WAR is example of NEW MMOs...not high quality options.
oh really?I'll remind you of that when they both have millions of subscribers and you're running around in the Darkfall world looking for someone to kill.
But really, this topic is pointless. The reason people get so bitter over people who discredit Darkfall at every turn is because they can't really see a good reason to do so aside from blatant trolling. It's like if I picked out a movie or other game that would essentially be your dream game/film and went around constantly coming up with reasons that it'll never happen, and that you'd never be able to even come close to experiencing it.
But I think that we can all agree that getting Darkfall and Duke Nukem Forever in the same package would be awesome.
Yeah, i know whet you mean. Aliens vs Predator was waporvare movies from 1992 - 2004.
Still people believed it would happen : ) And it did : (
Hopefully the next one is better.
And Howitzer....i just want a good MMO. Scion of Fate have 60 million players, still its a crappy game. McDonalds have hundreds of millions of people eating their food...and its still crap food.
So the number of subscibers have nothing to do with the quality of the game.....nothing. But i really wish it was so.
The developers give us the reasons for that
Well your guess is wrong. If Darkfall ever launches , it would be very lucky to get 20-30k active subscribers. And I don't think it would even be able to get that many.
If DF launches and is playable with even 80% of the features they promised it will do great, if this is a world wide release that includes Asia then the game will be quite popular there most of the subs will come from there at least 70% rest US and EU.
It isn't 1999 anymore when it was very easy to get people to pay 2 play a MMORPG. There;s tons of high quality options out there. And lots of free opttions too. Warhammer and Age of Conan alone will wreak havok on any chances Darkfall may have had to be a big success.
No not really not at the moment, AOC and maybe Warhammer but they are not out yet. I think AOC is more of a threat then Warhammer is though, it really depends on the game play of AOC and how they managed to intergrate the pvp into the system. I have not tested AOC so i cant really comment on it to be honest here, but one thing is sure you will need a monster rig to run the game and I think that essentialy the performance issue with the game will hold AOC back a bit.
No the only thing it depends on is if AoC and War launch. Which they will. They are in a completely different league in regards to development of a mmorpg title. The only hope DF has is if both cancel.. which isn't going to happen.
Just face the facts. Darkfall had it''s shot about 3 years ago. Now it's waiting to fail. They just can't admit it publically yet.
No the only thing it depends on is if AoC and War launch. Which they will. They are in a completely different league in regards to development of a mmorpg title. The only hope DF has is if both cancel.. which isn't going to happen.
Warhammer is a joke, it's a world of warcraft copy cat clone. As for AOC, they can certainly put a dent into DF but that all depends on how they integrated the PVP system, from what I understand AOC is a level based game with PVP integreted into border kingdoms so it's not really open pvp game to begin with.
I am curious to know if AOC will release in march 2008, I hope they do and i hope its stable because I will more likely check it out and play it till DF comes out. From what I hear DF still needs at least 6 to 8 months of closed beta, so I don't really expect any miracles in fact I would be surprised to see DF launch in 2008.
No. The only thing it depends on is if AoC and War launch. Which they will. They are in a completely different league in regards to development of a mmorpg title. The only hope DF has is if both cancel.. which isn't going to happen.
The sooner people get this through their thick skulls.. the better off they'll be.
No. The only thing it depends on is if AoC and War launch. Which they will. They are in a completely different league in regards to development of a mmorpg title. The only hope DF has is if both cancel.. which isn't going to happen.
The sooner people get this through their thick skulls.. the better off they'll be.
Well since your an economics major, and MMOR specialist, and with all your experience you have behind you. Im going to agree. Everyone, Dont even lookin in this forum anymore. Since AOC and War are going to launch, this game wont matter. Please leave this forum and soon as possible so we can close it.
I know, I know, Im feeding the troll. But its wierd how he knows that noone will play DF once AOC and War comes out. I for one wont be playing those games.....WAIT A MINUTE!!! If im not going to play those 2 games, then thats got to mean somone else wont either cause I can't be the only person thinking that!! Which means people are actually going to wait for DF?! Which means.......... People will play DF!!!! Holly crap!!! This can't be real though, my thoughts have to be flawed becuase SLI2000 said so.
It's called commen sense. Get some. Ya people will play it -- the 10 others along with you.
I am sure you'll have fun running around an empty world playing with yourself while everyone else is playing War and AoC in the millions and don't have to actually look for people to interact with.
What??? Only MY opinion matters here! No one else exist in this world of mmo's! What I like everyone LIKES or BETTER like.. And I say that ALL MMO's will FAIL! mwahaha.. I am the ultimate voice so what I say is true.. Agree or face the angry wraith of all the human gods! And thats ALOT of them..
.......
Everyone wants to be god in the eyes of mortals..
Explains everything now.
huh?
SLI, I prefer to play an MMO with just a couple of poeple, then to be an unknown face in the masses in clones like WAR.
This is where you are wrong. There is more cooperation in game with smaller comunities and poeple have to rely more on there poeples skills then in games like world of warcraft where the comunity is big and ones action do not have an effect on the comunity of his or her reputation as much. The bigger an comunity, the more solo players there will be.
Beside that fact that an individual, or what you refer to as an loner, has an right to an opinion and therefor the right to post on these forums.