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WoW is going down!
Ochie
Member Posts: 75
500k+ just in the beta.
So what about the people who are just waiting for the game to release. World of Warcraft in this humble gamers opinion is going to get a big chunk of its players taken from it. Im not saying that WoW will die cause MMOs rarley just up and die but there following will be hurt tremendusly by WAR's release in Q2 2008
I know dozens of whole guilds who are all going to sell out and move out right before release.
IM SO EXCITED TO BECOME A MMO ADDICT AGAIN
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You make me sad. Addiction is no laughing matter. Now back to playing EVE.
Also I don't think wow will take that big a hit. The asian fan base that loves blizzard will not imo switch from this to warhammer; they simply haven't been exposed to the IP like north americans/europeans have. I hope it does give wow a run for its money in the domestic US & EU markets though.
There are 500k people in the WAR beta? I find this hard to believe. Maybe 500,000 people signed up for beta, but some of those could be multiple attempts by the same person.
Where is my beta invite? I signed up the first day it was open.
Omg omg wow is going down................ seriusoly people say that every 2 mins when they see a so called next gen game lol.
War dosnt have 500k in beta, it has 500k applications to its beta. These people wanting to play a free game to see if its any good, and im one of them.
First, it is 500K signed up for beta - not in beta. While few of these are going to be repeats by losers who are just trying to jimmy the system it does not take much to weed those out.
WAR will likely be a hit but it will not hurt WoW. Remember that 2/3rds of the subs for WoW are Asian, not European or North America which is where the bulk of WAR player will come from. WAR might get 500K subscribers but I would not even count on that. Half of that will make it a smashing success from a profit standpoint.
Although I hate WoW and anything like it, sure seems like people will be leaving WoW to play WoW....... I mean WoWHammer. Warhammer is just like WoW, item based, gear based, level based, instance based, faction vs faction, and much more. Do you think that the makers of warhammer would make an mmo that took skill to PvP? no, I think not... people would quit, they would lose massive dollars. These kinds of mmo's are made for moms, and people that have no skill in PvP. Shame on you if you call yourself a hardcore PvPer and your poison is WoW, Warhammer or anything like it.
This game is just too overrated. How many people have been actually in BETA so far?
I'll start with the negative;
* Graphics are outdated for a Q2 2008 game
* Concept itself is similar to any other Fantasy game (orcs, elves etc.)
* So far characters in combat look plastic and slow (I've seen multiple videos on Youtube), maybe they have changed that, i don't know.
* As this is a fantasy type of game, it will most likely attract a lot of immature and teen players, so my guess is that community will be quite horrible, not to say more. It's just my experience with commercially successful games, like WoW and EQ2.
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Now let's see what positive and new this game has to offer;
* Realm vs Realm PvP
* Uuum, leveling via PvP? Did i say leveling? That sucks.
Well, I don't have anything positive to say anymore, If someone could add some stuff which I missed (And i bet i missed a lot), please add.
To be honest I don't understand what are you all so excited about.
Although I hate WoW and anything like it, sure seems like people will be leaving WoW to play WoW....... I mean WoWHammer. Warhammer is just like WoW, item based, gear based, level based, instance based, faction vs faction, and much more. Do you think that the makers of warhammer would make an mmo that took skill to PvP? no, I think not... people would quit, they would lose massive dollars. These kinds of mmo's are made for moms, and people that have no skill in PvP. Shame on you if you call yourself a hardcore PvPer and your poison is WoW, Warhammer or anything like it.
I can see you didnt read anything about WAR. It is not item/gear based, because the best items are not hard to get. It is not level based, because a high level can't even get to lower tiers and a max level player is not much better then high level player. And you are saying it is instance based? They only got one kind of instance PvP and that is the scenario, but you also got open world PvP with keeps and more. And never say something is WoW clone, because you think that WoW didn't stole anything? Look to EQ2 and DAoC before you start saying that Warhammer Online is a WoW clone.
How can you say that the graphics are not good enough for a 2008 game. They didn't polish the game yet so don't say things you can't know yet. You can say it is a cartoony style, but nothing more. You are complaining that they aren't original with their races, but when you look at the lore, then they don't have much choice and they also excist 25 years. With the community problem you have a point, but i won't think the immature people will stay long, because they stop playing when they can't win with PvP.
You would be amazed at how competitive REALM pvp help builds a community. Yeah sure people will be asshats to the enemy but it often makes people treat their own sides much more positivily becuase you depend on those people to support you.
Have you ever played a game like that?
That being said i do worry that pvp will be too friendly, however, lets hope they get it right.
Oh what MMO take skill in pvp? PS? ps? ID say daoc . If you are refering to EVE, I'll laugh because it doesn't. outfitting a ship well is not skill. Go play doac you can see how much skill it can take to play a sword and magic fantasy mmo.
OH ps did your game have 500k beta aps, if not I suggest you hush least you look foolish and petty. Seriously, no matter how you try to spin that , that is a ton of people trying to get into beta. Thats a ton of people looking forward to a game before it has been advertized.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Can somebody post some warhammer artwork that pertained to the game (not the MMO)? I am wondering what the art is like in the regular game compared to the MMO game. If it is kind of the same, then I am not worried much about the graphics. If the art work is very different, then I would say that is truly is WoWhammer unfortunately.
Ok, thanks for replaying to me. Anyway, I hope this game turns out to be decent, I hope that all this anticipation really will payback. I have nothing against this game in general, except that I'm quite critic to games before they are actually released and people have played them.
A lot of games look good on paper, but it's a common issue that companies can't deliver what they promised for release day, mostly. A good example of that is Vanguard, perhaps EQ2. With PotBS it's a bit different story, as their Dev team differs from traditional marketing ones. Finally I wanted to say that I am quite positive about MMO industry future, I think that WoW has set the "quality standard" quite high, so upcoming mmo dev's are polishing their games before releases.
Have a good day people. Cheer's
To Methodd:
First you make statements such as - "As this is a fantasy type of game, it will most likely attract a lot of immature and teen players, so my guess is that community will be quite horrible, not to say more. It's just my experience with commercially successful games, like WoW and EQ2." - Then you make a post that some would consider a bit of a "troll"...what is it exactly that you would consider "Immature" I'm curious? If you don't find the appeal in WAR thats fine, take your posts somewhere else.
To Iijs:
WoW clone? In order to "Clone" another game the original game (WoW in this case) would've had to do something original in it's own right...which WoW hasn't. What WoW did do however was make a simplistic MMO, and brought it to the masses. As far as artwork and theme WoW wasn't the first game to impliment Orcs and Elves and medival style combat (swords and shields) and WAR will definately not be the last. The play style of the game (PvP) is painfully horrid in WoW. As many people will aggree the PvP in WoW is mediocre at best.
Bottom Line - If you don't want to play WAR thats fine, call it what you will, but leave the forums alone for those people who are interested in gaining an insight to the game for what it is (whatever that might be).
Natevoni, the ever irratated "fanboi"
WoW may be going down, but down to like 4-5 million subs. This idea of a WoW killer is simply a myth. The only thing that will kill WoW is time. After a while people will go to other games, it has nothing to do with any specific game poisening WoW.
WoW playerbase is burnt out. They are looking for something new. but the fact is that WAR or AoC or any other released game must be at the same calibre as WoW, else all those players will eventually return to WoW. HOwever, I believe WAR and AoC will be of that calibre.
Eventually WAR, AoC, WoW will all live together ...peacfully
Torrential
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
Dark elves
http://uk.games-workshop.com/darkelves/miniature-gallery/3/
http://uk.games-workshop.com/darkelves/miniature-gallery/4/
Dwarfs
http://uk.games-workshop.com/dwarfs/miniature-gallery/18/
http://uk.games-workshop.com/dwarfs/miniature-gallery/7/
Chaos
http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/miniature-gallery/5/
http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/miniature-gallery/8/
High elves
http://uk.games-workshop.com/highelves/miniature-gallery/3/
http://uk.games-workshop.com/highelves/miniature-gallery/8/
Empire - Not to be confused with wows humans .... why you asked , becuase IMHO they are more screwed up than Chaos is.
http://uk.games-workshop.com/empire/miniature-gallery/10/
http://uk.games-workshop.com/empire/miniature-gallery/7/
http://uk.games-workshop.com/empire/miniature-gallery/5/
/ Empire wizards can look however they want to because they are BA's (true story, well that and they are slightly insaine).
Ok there are more Armies (Empire, High elves, etc.) and if you want to can check them out at
http://uk.games-workshop.com/warhammer/
Anyway the Mythic models looks spot on to me, if they don't to you oh well.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Even these super guilds like the American "Death N´ Tax" and the European Nihilum guild are looking forward to Warhammer Online. Guildleader Kungen is a Ex-Dark Age of Camelot veteran so he know what to expect from Mythic. Guess they are planning to be No#1 yet again. Also Ex-Lineage 2, Guild Wars etc are waitning for the next hit in PvP.
visit a local gamestore and look through the RPG book
EQ2 fan sites
The following is my prediction/opinion:
If WAR has a good release, it'll grab at least 500k within a month is my prediction.
If after a month of release WAR has gotten good reviews and no major hiccups, they'll be at 1 million within 3 months of release.
Again, these are my predictions.
It depends greatly on when the WoW expansion comes out, when WAR is released in relation to AoC, etc...
but if WAR has an ideal launch, this game is gonna be huge.
How big? Who knows. Anything over 1 million will be impressive. I doubt they'll get more then 1.5-2million at maximum. Only way they'll get more is if they add a LOT of significant content to the PvE game and keep the PvP game solid.
Just hard to sell a game that pushes itself to be all about war and PvP to more then a few million, PvE is much more popular.
Again, the previous is merely my predictions/opinions.
I think your numbers are reasonable. No arguments there. I'd say.. within a year of release for WAR and AoC, WoW will have lost at least 1/3 of it's subs. VG is drawing some people back as well.. but that's not really significant.
My point is that there are industries based around the success of WoW. Anything that puts a dent in that success also impacts the industries connected to it. I would predict a sort of trickle-down effect that will further decrease WoW subs over time after the initial departures for WAR and AoC.
Word of mouth (assuming both WAR and AoC are amazing games) will also serve to further the decline of WoW playerbase as people hear how wonderful these other games are.
The death of WoW will most likely be a very slow, complex process. Based off my experience, people are looking for something new. Not everyone, but probably 7 of 10 players (again, this is based off my experience, which is limited primarily to the US market).
Wow might go down, but only cause people are tried of playin wow and Warhammer for me is just another same ol mmo with nothin new
Threads like this are exactly why, while I had initially been very excited about WO, I will most likely never play it. It's the WoW community all over again.
Bans a perma, but so are sigs in necro posts.
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While I will acknowledge that WAR takes a bunch of stuff from WoW (which of course took everything from EQ) you can hardly say there is nothing new. You just haven't looked.
Incase you don't remember it's a blizzard game, and no blizzard game has ever died. The pure quality and abundance of things to do in wow will always keep players returning. I myself have grown tired of the game twice before, but always use wow as the comparison with other games I've tried. For anyone to say any other mmo is better than wow it's because a) they are rebelious and hate all things popular or b) they've simply played the game far to long and it's no more than an old relationship never to be revisited.
Will it loose players to WAR, yes, but not enough people to hurt the game. Follow my word, AoC is overhyped and won't put a dent in WOW or WAR.