Those awards were a disappointment. I mean it just seems like the ones that won were due to bitter fans voting for them because they were mad.
I can think of probably 5-10 more desolate games than Vanguard. And I can definitely think of at least 10 games with worse graphics than WoW or PotBS.
I guess this compared with the actual reader awards gives an insight into the fans that read mmorpg.com. To me it seems like it's just a bunch of people either extremely bitter, or completely fanboi about their respective games. Oh well.
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The article smacks of someone trying be negative in a cool way. Very shite really, inparticular:
Roma Victor graphics are absolutely fine, they need a bit of tweeking here and there but that is all. There are alot worse out there. I bet you have not played RV recently to make any sensible comment.
As for Darkfall being vapourware....I bet you will cream yourself when it comes out and be the biggest fan of all.
Let's talk about why Mr. Fortier's review sucks. For starters, he ran a one week long vote on a website that isn't exactly allakhazam. One week isn't nearly long enough for nominated game communities to hear about the poll and to get an opinion from more than a few different people.
Yes, because the whole point was to get people who aren't members of the community here to vote favorably for their "pet" game.
Um, no. That's why our Reader's Choice Awards are so screwed up every year, because tons of people who never visit this site at any other time desend upon us and cast their votes for the game they are playing. Just because the Eve online community can get everyone that plays the game to vote here doesn't mean it really deserves to win. It just means they are more fanatical about making sure their game wins.
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I applaud Dan's take on SWG. Yes, we know the game sucks in multiple categories, (which he acknowledged) and as we know, hell hath no fury like a SWG fan scorned. I agree with most of them, except perhaps WOW's worst graphics. I always enjoyed them, felt they were quite fluid, didn't suffer from break-ups and what not. But then again, I'm not a fan of great graphics in the first place, so perhaps that's why. Regarding the most likely to be cancelled, I sort of felt that should be broken into two categories, those in development and those already released and active. I would have voted for STO in the first case, and something else in the latter.
I agree with you regarding WoW. I don't think people really understand the difference between art design and "bad graphics".
WoW's graphics are completely servicable and serve the design of the world. There aren't huge mistakes, the graphics don't bring down machines, on high settings there are some wonderufl reflection and shadow effects.
But the art design is whimsical and cartoony. Therefore, though the graphics are good, aesthetically I can see people having a problem with them.
There should really be two types for technical and artistic, however i wouldn't put World of Warcraft bottom of any of them. I think WOW has the best art style a mmorpg has ever seen, Blizzard are really great at making a game thats made to run on any system look as good as any game at the time of launch through it's art.
Most people voted for it cause they're haters but i can think of worse bland ugly mmorpgs like Vanguard or Roma Victor or Ultima Online etc etc.
so we're terrorists huh? maybe you should'nt throw that word around to easily these days. anyway seeing as you managed to find a way to worm out of giving swg the award for every category yet again proves this site is funded by sony. rather be called a terrorist than a whore.
Gratz NGE! You managed to turn a bunch of normal gamers into forum terrorists. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
so we're terrorists huh? maybe you should'nt throw that word around to easily these days. anyway seeing as you managed to find a way to worm out of giving swg the award for every category yet again proves this site is funded by sony. rather be called a terrorist than a whore.
Gratz NGE! You managed to turn a bunch of normal gamers into forum terrorists. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
so we're terrorists huh? maybe you should'nt throw that word around to easily these days. anyway seeing as you managed to find a way to worm out of giving swg the award for every category yet again proves this site is funded by sony. rather be called a terrorist than a whore.
Gratz NGE! You managed to turn a bunch of normal gamers into forum terrorists. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
so we're terrorists huh? maybe you should'nt throw that word around to easily these days. anyway seeing as you managed to find a way to worm out of giving swg the award for every category yet again proves this site is funded by sony. rather be called a terrorist than a whore.
I really don't get it either. You are allowed to talk about a game, but if you're honest around here they either break out the ban stick, or delete the post. "Be honest, but not too honest." I guess that's what happens when you become too big for your own britches. I would assume a site like this would be more worried about pissing off their members than a game company, but then again we aren’t paying to be here like developers are. We still get the last laugh though; no one here cares about credit sales, or free Asian MMOs, SOE games ect.
Gratz NGE! You managed to turn a bunch of normal gamers into forum terrorists. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
so we're terrorists huh? maybe you should'nt throw that word around to easily these days. anyway seeing as you managed to find a way to worm out of giving swg the award for every category yet again proves this site is funded by sony. rather be called a terrorist than a whore.
Gratz NGE! You managed to turn a bunch of normal gamers into forum terrorists. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
so we're terrorists huh? maybe you should'nt throw that word around to easily these days. anyway seeing as you managed to find a way to worm out of giving swg the award for every category yet again proves this site is funded by sony. rather be called a terrorist than a whore.
I really don't get it either. You are allowed to talk about a game, but if you're honest around here they either break out the ban stick, or delete the post. "Be honest, but not too honest." I guess that's what happens when you become too big for your own britches. I would assume a site like this would be more worried about pissing off their members than a game company, but then again we aren’t paying to be here like developers are. We still get the last laugh though; no one here cares about credit sales, or free Asian MMOs, SOE games ect.
:-P
Hmm,
OK, a very few mixed feelings on the SWG issue. I call for a New Review of SWG that is today. This would be the Third in its history for it on MMORPG.com. Its been two years since the NGE hit. How is the game different/better/worse today?
Gratz NGE! You managed to turn a bunch of normal gamers into forum terrorists. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- so we're terrorists huh? maybe you should'nt throw that word around to easily these days. anyway seeing as you managed to find a way to worm out of giving swg the award for every category yet again proves this site is funded by sony. rather be called a terrorist than a whore.
I really don't get it either. You are allowed to talk about a game, but if you're honest around here they either break out the ban stick, or delete the post. "Be honest, but not too honest." I guess that's what happens when you become too big for your own britches. I would assume a site like this would be more worried about pissing off their members than a game company, but then again we aren’t paying to be here like developers are. We still get the last laugh though; no one here cares about credit sales, or free Asian MMOs, SOE games ect.
:-P
I've never seen any post deleted or banned simply because someone's being too honest. What it comes down to is the language they use... that's what can get them banned.
The problem is with people who think that everyone who voted for SWG is a "forum terrorist" and is somehow not entitled to their own opinions.
It's also with people who would ignore a huge majority of votes just because he didn't like the fact that we obviously find the game lacking (though it's okay for him to keep the 3 awards for Vanguard (which somehow isn't too much) and give the award to a game that ISN'T EVEN OUT YET).
Gratz NGE! You managed to turn a bunch of normal gamers into forum terrorists. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
so we're terrorists huh? maybe you should'nt throw that word around to easily these days. anyway seeing as you managed to find a way to worm out of giving swg the award for every category yet again proves this site is funded by sony. rather be called a terrorist than a whore.
Haha
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
%90 of votes in most of categories went to swg and you dismissed them.
wow
what a democratic election
where is bagdad bob?
That's because Dan, like many of us here are tired of SWG haters beating the dead horse. Its over, done, finito folks. We get the point, and you can give it a rest now.
Besides, Dan's poll isn't official, so he can make up any rules he pleases.
Who the hell are you, and why should I care? Congrats! You are a victim of Trollstar!
Wow, some folks certainly are taking the MMOWTF awards seriously.
Dan was just trying to provide variety in his own awards. I honestly don't see the problem. Dan went way out of his way to acknowledge the SWG hate, but in the end the MMOWTF awards, which are based I remind you, on a tongue-in-cheek editorial column, are just for fun.
There is a reason that these awards don't have badges or even polls as do our sanctioned awards. Once again, the MMOWTF awards are just meant to put a smile on people's faces.
Wow, some folks certainly are taking the MMOWTF awards seriously. Dan was just trying to provide variety in his own awards. I honestly don't see the problem. Dan went way out of his way to acknowledge the SWG hate, but in the end the MMOWTF awards, which are based I remind you, on a tongue-in-cheek editorial column, are just for fun. There is a reason that these awards don't have badges or even polls as do our sanctioned awards. Once again, the MMOWTF awards are just meant to put a smile on people's faces.
Like was said stradden "forum terrorist`s"
Though they dont even see that,Shame even after this amount of time it still touches a nerve...better luck next year ..but dont count on it
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
There is a reason that these awards don't have badges or even polls as do our sanctioned awards. Once again, the MMOWTF awards are just meant to put a smile on people's faces.
You forget-- some folks haven't been smiling about an MMO since the NGE. And they are bound and determined to remind people of that on a daily basis.
You guys need to start calling yourselves "MMORPG.COM, A Division of Platform Publishing, Sony Online Entertainment"
The dishonesty of this site is incredible.
"Terrorists" indeed.
You know who the "terrorists" are? The asshole COMPANY that with 2 weeks notice LAID WASTE TO OUR WHOLE GAME!
Oh, and tried to pocket a ton of money for an expansion they sold by marketing stuff that would be taken out of it two weeks later, by announcing the "NGE" THE DAY AFTER they charged everyone for it.
SOE is a dishonest company that has no regard for their customers as they have proven over and over and over, and should be banned from the industry.
Gratz NGE! You managed to turn a bunch of normal gamers into forum terrorists. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
so we're terrorists huh? maybe you should'nt throw that word around to easily these days. anyway seeing as you managed to find a way to worm out of giving swg the award for every category yet again proves this site is funded by sony. rather be called a terrorist than a whore.
QFE.
Whatever remnant of credibility MMORPG still had was just lost.
Don't DO the freaking award if you are that afraid of Smed and your SOE masters. I note the plethora of SOE banner ads around here.
But I will give Stradden his props. He is corrupt, there is no question about that. But once he's bought he STAYS bought.
And I am supremely offended by the "terrorist" accusation. You don't know me, I might be a Muslim. I might take offense to the use of that as a stereotype.
Wow, some folks certainly are taking the MMOWTF awards seriously. Dan was just trying to provide variety in his own awards. I honestly don't see the problem. Dan went way out of his way to acknowledge the SWG hate, but in the end the MMOWTF awards, which are based I remind you, on a tongue-in-cheek editorial column, are just for fun. There is a reason that these awards don't have badges or even polls as do our sanctioned awards. Once again, the MMOWTF awards are just meant to put a smile on people's faces.
And you don't have one on your face today. At least you shouldn't.
You do realize that when you piss off the former SWG player base you are talking about almost a quarter of a million people, do you not? Which, consequently, would make up the population of a Top 10 North American/European MMO.
Wow, some folks certainly are taking the MMOWTF awards seriously. Dan was just trying to provide variety in his own awards. I honestly don't see the problem. Dan went way out of his way to acknowledge the SWG hate, but in the end the MMOWTF awards, which are based I remind you, on a tongue-in-cheek editorial column, are just for fun. There is a reason that these awards don't have badges or even polls as do our sanctioned awards. Once again, the MMOWTF awards are just meant to put a smile on people's faces.
My problem wasn't really him changing the poll results (though why have a poll when your just going to ignore what people said) but with the off hand way the author dismissed the "forum terrorists". You say he went out of his way to acknowledge the swg hate, I say he went out of his way to dismiss and insult people. I wonder if former soe community guy Greypawn's rant about last years poll had anything to do with this? As the fiasco over at Gamespot goes to show, gaming websites that take ad money from game companies are often influenced, either financially or by the threat of being cut off from exclusive news and insider info, by game companies to go easy and stifle the more "vocal minority" who complain about their product. You can claim innocence all you want but as long as your receiving ad money and exclusive interviews you'll be suspected.
As a side note I want an apology from Dan or whatever his name is for referring to me and others as forum terrorists and using alts to pad the score. It was entirely unprofessional of him. Jackass.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
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im very surprised that this community didnt just bash swg again, it has indeed gotten better and playable
*puts on flame suit*
Those awards were a disappointment. I mean it just seems like the ones that won were due to bitter fans voting for them because they were mad.
I can think of probably 5-10 more desolate games than Vanguard. And I can definitely think of at least 10 games with worse graphics than WoW or PotBS.
I guess this compared with the actual reader awards gives an insight into the fans that read mmorpg.com. To me it seems like it's just a bunch of people either extremely bitter, or completely fanboi about their respective games. Oh well.
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I live to fight, and fight to live.
The article smacks of someone trying be negative in a cool way. Very shite really, inparticular:
Roma Victor graphics are absolutely fine, they need a bit of tweeking here and there but that is all. There are alot worse out there. I bet you have not played RV recently to make any sensible comment.
As for Darkfall being vapourware....I bet you will cream yourself when it comes out and be the biggest fan of all.
Um, no. That's why our Reader's Choice Awards are so screwed up every year, because tons of people who never visit this site at any other time desend upon us and cast their votes for the game they are playing. Just because the Eve online community can get everyone that plays the game to vote here doesn't mean it really deserves to win. It just means they are more fanatical about making sure their game wins.
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WoW's graphics are completely servicable and serve the design of the world. There aren't huge mistakes, the graphics don't bring down machines, on high settings there are some wonderufl reflection and shadow effects.
But the art design is whimsical and cartoony. Therefore, though the graphics are good, aesthetically I can see people having a problem with them.
There should really be two types for technical and artistic, however i wouldn't put World of Warcraft bottom of any of them. I think WOW has the best art style a mmorpg has ever seen, Blizzard are really great at making a game thats made to run on any system look as good as any game at the time of launch through it's art.
Most people voted for it cause they're haters but i can think of worse bland ugly mmorpgs like Vanguard or Roma Victor or Ultima Online etc etc.
Gratz NGE! You managed to turn a bunch of normal gamers into forum terrorists.
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so we're terrorists huh? maybe you should'nt throw that word around to easily these days. anyway seeing as you managed to find a way to worm out of giving swg the award for every category yet again proves this site is funded by sony. rather be called a terrorist than a whore.
Touche !!!!!!!
LMAO
I really don't get it either. You are allowed to talk about a game, but if you're honest around here they either break out the ban stick, or delete the post. "Be honest, but not too honest." I guess that's what happens when you become too big for your own britches. I would assume a site like this would be more worried about pissing off their members than a game company, but then again we aren’t paying to be here like developers are. We still get the last laugh though; no one here cares about credit sales, or free Asian MMOs, SOE games ect.
:-P
LOL!
Thanks for saying what needed to be said Suske.
I really don't get it either. You are allowed to talk about a game, but if you're honest around here they either break out the ban stick, or delete the post. "Be honest, but not too honest." I guess that's what happens when you become too big for your own britches. I would assume a site like this would be more worried about pissing off their members than a game company, but then again we aren’t paying to be here like developers are. We still get the last laugh though; no one here cares about credit sales, or free Asian MMOs, SOE games ect.
:-P
Hmm,
OK, a very few mixed feelings on the SWG issue. I call for a New Review of SWG that is today. This would be the Third in its history for it on MMORPG.com. Its been two years since the NGE hit. How is the game different/better/worse today?
So
%90 of votes in most of categories went to swg and you dismissed them.
wow
what a democratic election
where is bagdad bob?
I really don't get it either. You are allowed to talk about a game, but if you're honest around here they either break out the ban stick, or delete the post. "Be honest, but not too honest." I guess that's what happens when you become too big for your own britches. I would assume a site like this would be more worried about pissing off their members than a game company, but then again we aren’t paying to be here like developers are. We still get the last laugh though; no one here cares about credit sales, or free Asian MMOs, SOE games ect.
:-P
I've never seen any post deleted or banned simply because someone's being too honest. What it comes down to is the language they use... that's what can get them banned.
The problem is with people who think that everyone who voted for SWG is a "forum terrorist" and is somehow not entitled to their own opinions.
It's also with people who would ignore a huge majority of votes just because he didn't like the fact that we obviously find the game lacking (though it's okay for him to keep the 3 awards for Vanguard (which somehow isn't too much) and give the award to a game that ISN'T EVEN OUT YET).
Haha
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
I really think some of you are taking this thing waaaay to seriously and lost what the article was actually intended for. Entertainment purposes only.
Besides, Dan's poll isn't official, so he can make up any rules he pleases.
Who the hell are you, and why should I care?
Congrats! You are a victim of Trollstar!
Wow, some folks certainly are taking the MMOWTF awards seriously.
Dan was just trying to provide variety in his own awards. I honestly don't see the problem. Dan went way out of his way to acknowledge the SWG hate, but in the end the MMOWTF awards, which are based I remind you, on a tongue-in-cheek editorial column, are just for fun.
There is a reason that these awards don't have badges or even polls as do our sanctioned awards. Once again, the MMOWTF awards are just meant to put a smile on people's faces.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
Though they dont even see that,Shame even after this amount of time it still touches a nerve...better luck next year ..but dont count on it
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
You forget-- some folks haven't been smiling about an MMO since the NGE. And they are bound and determined to remind people of that on a daily basis.
You guys need to start calling yourselves "MMORPG.COM, A Division of Platform Publishing, Sony Online Entertainment"
The dishonesty of this site is incredible.
"Terrorists" indeed.
You know who the "terrorists" are? The asshole COMPANY that with 2 weeks notice LAID WASTE TO OUR WHOLE GAME!
Oh, and tried to pocket a ton of money for an expansion they sold by marketing stuff that would be taken out of it two weeks later, by announcing the "NGE" THE DAY AFTER they charged everyone for it.
SOE is a dishonest company that has no regard for their customers as they have proven over and over and over, and should be banned from the industry.
QFE.
Whatever remnant of credibility MMORPG still had was just lost.
Don't DO the freaking award if you are that afraid of Smed and your SOE masters. I note the plethora of SOE banner ads around here.
But I will give Stradden his props. He is corrupt, there is no question about that. But once he's bought he STAYS bought.
And I am supremely offended by the "terrorist" accusation. You don't know me, I might be a Muslim. I might take offense to the use of that as a stereotype.
ADMIRAL AKBAR!
And you don't have one on your face today. At least you shouldn't.
You do realize that when you piss off the former SWG player base you are talking about almost a quarter of a million people, do you not? Which, consequently, would make up the population of a Top 10 North American/European MMO.
My problem wasn't really him changing the poll results (though why have a poll when your just going to ignore what people said) but with the off hand way the author dismissed the "forum terrorists". You say he went out of his way to acknowledge the swg hate, I say he went out of his way to dismiss and insult people. I wonder if former soe community guy Greypawn's rant about last years poll had anything to do with this? As the fiasco over at Gamespot goes to show, gaming websites that take ad money from game companies are often influenced, either financially or by the threat of being cut off from exclusive news and insider info, by game companies to go easy and stifle the more "vocal minority" who complain about their product. You can claim innocence all you want but as long as your receiving ad money and exclusive interviews you'll be suspected.
As a side note I want an apology from Dan or whatever his name is for referring to me and others as forum terrorists and using alts to pad the score. It was entirely unprofessional of him. Jackass.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
We aren't terrorists.....we prefer to be known a the Cabal...
But,whatever, feel free to keep insulting your members causing them to leave and watch all that nice ad money go the way of the dodo.