Hm...I don't see why this would make a difference. The screenshots DO look dated. Very dated. Nonetheless, I would still play this game, if they can pull of everything they are trying to achieve and the gank squads are not too obnoxious.
Another very good journal. The last three have been excellent.
I tend to agree that graphically, the game may not be on par with many of the titles out and upcoming,. However, one must also consider that a significant amount of computing power will be focused on the combat mechanics. I'd take enhanced combat over graphics any day.
TBPFH the graphics look fine. They're a bit dated but certainly not immersion breaking by any stretch. I can forgive graphics, to an extent, if the gameplay is there. I loved UO and even when it was brand new it's graphics were dated by over 5 years.
That said I'm still not going to believe this is releasing anytime this millenia till I actually see it go to Beta... even then I'll have my doubts till it actually DOES release.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
finally they admit their world is not the size of Germany, how did the fanboys get that one in their head in the first place lol
Oh and graphics look worse than some of the games that came out 6 years ago. Graphics dont mean anything to me, but if you take a first glance at this game knowing nothing about it I really doubt that you will be enticed with such terrible graphics. And then you read into the game and the company behind it, it is easy to see why people think vaporware.
They really need to hurry up and release this game, they should of never tried to put everything in to one game they will be realeasing the game outdated already. They should of released the game with a few core features then added to it over time. Now most likely this game will release and give Dark and light a run for its money in the shit release and bullshitting catagory.
Got to love how they said in their last journal that they would love to do more videos which take 5 mins to do, okay so where are they then? To be honest I dont think I will bother even trying this game when it comes out it has waste of money written all over it.
Ill just settle with games that have half the features that I look for in a game rather than hope a game like Darkfall has all the features in the game when they have not proven anything to anyone in the last 7 years almost 8 years now I dont mind the long development time but they dont seem to have anything to show for it.
Whats funny is it actually looks realistic that Duke nukem forever will be out before this game, I remeber when that was joke and not a likely fact.
They obviously read their forums, it is not going to kill them to sit down for 10 mins and do a video that shows off atleast half their features if they cant do this which seems likely, then like always it begs the question what do they have to hide?
I predict a fanboy will make alot of excuses for them in response to this post Ive heard all their excuses before and most likely Ive been following the game longer than half the fanboys who seem to be compelled to defend this company non stop.
My eye caught a thread where the monthly subscription and billing methods of Darkfall were discussed. Several posters insist that there's no way we could offer Darkfall lower than other MMO subscriptions out there. I don't see why not. As a matter of fact if we're left to our own devices, or if we have a say in the matter, Darkfall will be extremely competitive. We have a lot of faith in this game and that's our competitive advantage. We want as many people as possible to be able to try it out.
$5.99 a month anyone?
I think it's pretty safe to assume at this point and by that statement that nobody wants to publish this game and it will end up being self published....
and the only reason no one would publish a game is because it isn't up to current industry standards for a MMO. Not that it would surprise me or anything.
IMO the game shouldn't be cheaper then all the other MMO's. Why? Because if they have bigger income = better servers + they can get more programmers, artists e.t.c.
(snip) Oh and graphics look worse than some of the games that came out 6 years ago. Graphics dont mean anything to me, but if you take a first glance at this game knowing nothing about it I really doubt that you will be enticed with such terrible graphics. And then you read into the game and the company behind it, it is easy to see why people think vaporware. From the journal: "We won't implement character creation morphing because we're shooting for performance during massive battles, rather than spending time drawing everyone's uniquely disfigured character." Thats it, the devs are just being realistic and taking into the account that TCP/IP isn't an ideal network commication channel. If you want greatlooking, small group adventures, you need to use instances. With the limits on the technology today, you cannot have both. In the future sure, when we all have fiberconnections and are running TCP/IP v. 6, not today. I'm hoping that AoC will prove me wrong with massive combats outside instances. I'm not holding my breath though. They really need to hurry up and release this game, they should of never tried to put everything in to one game they will be realeasing the game outdated already. They should of released the game with a few core features then added to it over time. Now most likely this game will release and give Dark and light a run for its money in the shit release and bullshitting catagory. They need to release their game, when they are finished. That they now are withdrawing features, for me atleast, it's a sign they are getting there. (snip) I predict a fanboy will make alot of excuses for them in response to this post Ive heard all their excuses before and most likely Ive been following the game longer than half the fanboys who seem to be compelled to defend this company non stop. I predict a troll to just focus on the negative parts, not even see features as semirealistic bow shooting as a good thing! Oh wait, that already happened!
--- And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there. John Smedley, SOE
My eye caught a thread where the monthly subscription and billing methods of Darkfall were discussed. Several posters insist that there's no way we could offer Darkfall lower than other MMO subscriptions out there. I don't see why not. As a matter of fact if we're left to our own devices, or if we have a say in the matter, Darkfall will be extremely competitive. We have a lot of faith in this game and that's our competitive advantage. We want as many people as possible to be able to try it out.
$5.99 a month anyone?
I think it's pretty safe to assume at this point and by that statement that nobody wants to publish this game and it will end up being self published....
and the only reason no one would publish a game is because it isn't up to current industry standards for a MMO. Not that it would surprise me or anything.
So now being competive in an industry who is either free or expensive is a bad thing ? Also, what is bad with publishing the games themselves ? Isn't that what Blizzard or Funcom does ?
Your are assuming a whole lot and I give you credit for a very good developed imagination. I think it would serve better though if you used it to suggest features instead of complaing and tearing down.
--- And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there. John Smedley, SOE
Hey howitser1, why don't you make compelling arguments instead of attacking the messenger, you might actually contribute to the debate!!!! It might even be good for you, earn respect, improve debate skills etc.
--- And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there. John Smedley, SOE
Not really. Let's face it, you ARE a troll. Could you bring any proof that Darkfall is vaporware? No, I don't think so. If Darkfall really is vaporware then why the fuck would Aventurine take an gigantic loan?
Long development cycle? probably, yes, but if you think of the vast amount of features they need to implent, the amount of times they've improved the graphics and the big world they are creating a few years isn't that long.
They will release it but if it will have the quality they are promising.... that is one thing that remains to be seen.
Originally posted by TedDanson Those screens look good if you have a time machine, travel back to like 4-5 years ago, and then look at them. Otherwise they look super dated, and the orc lady isn't holding on to anything but air....
Darkfall is about massive sieges and combat. no instances.
single player games like Crysis can push the envelope because they know how many characters will be displayed max. MMORPGs have no such luxury unless they are heaviuly instanced (aka portals into coop rpgs)
not trying to sound like a fanboi but I like mmorpgs they will run at 60 FPS on my machine. I dont want an MMO thats gonna kill my computer wit just 20 people onscreen
Originally posted by SLI2000 Originally posted by Tasos My eye caught a thread where the monthly subscription and billing methods of Darkfall were discussed. Several posters insist that there's no way we could offer Darkfall lower than other MMO subscriptions out there. I don't see why not. As a matter of fact if we're left to our own devices, or if we have a say in the matter, Darkfall will be extremely competitive. We have a lot of faith in this game and that's our competitive advantage. We want as many people as possible to be able to try it out.
$5.99 a month anyone? I think it's pretty safe to assume at this point and by that statement that nobody wants to publish this game and it will end up being self published.... and the only reason no one would publish a game is because it isn't up to current industry standards for a MMO. Not that it would surprise me or anything.
even chronicles of spellborn has no U.S. publisher and PoTBS had a really hard time getting one. They didnt really get one til right before release as far as I can tell
How is he a troll? Anyone who points out all of the negative stuff about DF is automatically labeled a troll. it's funny. If you want to really be mad at someone then be mad at the true cause of the problem --- the darkfall developers.
At the end of the day , the critics , the vaporware tag , the countless missed beta dates , the unending dev cycle... it's all the developers faults.
I saw the post Scriar made. And he wanted developers to hurry to relese halfdone MMOs? We should demand 100% done MMOs instead. This does not concern darkfall, but the whole MMO industry. If players settle for the less, why would anyone wanna make a good MMO? Atleast im done with all those crappy MMO that we see today. They are nothing compared what we did see 6 years ago. And i would gladly stop my wating for DF......if i could find another good MMO that not had the "vaporware mark" on it. But until today......there is no other. And it was a nice update : )
If this game is half done then expect to see it in 20never. They have said themselfs that the game has all its features in now. I dont want to see anyone release crappy unfinished games. But there comes a time when a developer can not release a game that is so obviously outdated. Or more precicisly they can not afford to have even more time to develop, this game really has it last chance next year. It atleast has to go in to a public beta, and it needs to prove it hasn't bullshitted for the last 8 years.
It is also a fine balance between taking your time, and finishing the product even if it does not have all the features in at release. They should of concentrated on a few core features rather than try to implement everything to a finished state before they release.
This is why this company is a joke. They actually want to have more features than any game ever made, and have it all at release, as well as having it all bug free so they can have a very short beta. It is very unlikely to happen, especially when their team is small and un experienced in anything related to games.
By the way I agree their arent any games offering everything Darkfall wants to offer, atleast not at release but thats understandable some companies actually have common sense. Something the Darkfall devs or most likely their management lacks.
If you promise everything a hardcore pvper would want in a mmo here is a revelutionary idea proove it actually works before bullshitting for 8 years about how your game has every feature implemented and how you are going to go into beta soon etc etc.
TCOS is a game that I am looking forward to it atleast has some of the stuff I like in Darkfall. For instance, they have a skill based combat system, they have FFA pvp, and items do not mean anything in fact they mean even less than what Darkfall equipment is because they dont even have stats. They also have the AI exactly like is described in Darkfall.
And after release they plan on adding the mounted combat, the guild v guild combat, no idea if they ever plan on adding siege but never cared about that any way. They even have RvR combat planned in the form of shard conquest, and flying mounts with a combat system for those as well.
I would rather wait for features like that to get implemented bit by bit so you have a great pvp game in the end rather than what Darkfall has where everything is implemented in at once because more than likely a lot of their features will be crap due to splitting their time.
If Darkfall had all the features in fully working as they claim I really do not understand why they do not show people atleast their main features to prove they are not bullshitting, but they don't they also do not keep in touch with the community so what they read a few threads would not hurt for them to stop by the forums every now and again, it puts more faith in the developer.
One last note to whoever it was that quoted my last post, I said I dont care about graphics I was pointing out that from the perspective of someone who knows nothing about this game looking at those graphics is not going to entice you.
You also do not need a top of the range graphics engine to make a game look good, their enviroments do look impressive it actually reminds me a lot of morrowind in the graphics department, in that the character models are shit, but the quality of the graphics actually adds to the atmosphere of the back ground.
But to be honest thats not an excuse anymore for permormance issues since their are mmos comming out that look better than this game, such as TCOS, and have a FPS combat system with dodging etc yet they have no problems with performance we know this because they have proven it to work with various videos that are obviously not edited.
So in summary if this game was feature complete as they claim ( in one of their newer dev journals tasos mentions it if you do not believe me go look) Then they should be showing that their servers actually can support all this combat.
Everything about Darkfall sounds to good to be true, that archery system he has described sounds great but yet again for some reason they can not prove it works especially after saying they would love to do more videos in their last journal.
Lastly, their development time is not that long when you think about it, 5 years for the average mmo 3 more years for this one, the only difference is these guys like 3drealms and duke nukem forever do not proove they have anything other than ideas they just release very outdated looking videos and screen shots every now and again.
All the haters keep whinning about graphix, they all look fine to me granted it's not AOC but let's be realistic only a small % of people will be able to even display let alone enjoy the type of graphix the newer games have especially in an environment which contains large sieges.
These new screenies look great, although the trolls and haters don't like to admit it, they're running out of things to moan about, keep up the great work guys, were all with you!
Pre-cu Fanbois, There will be no rollback. Go outside - Get a life, It's not coming back. We arn't giving you your game-back. So go outside, and realize that you've wasted 2 years. Pre-cu Fanbois.
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The screens look good, nice info on the jurnal too.
I liked the bowpart, my assasin is going to strike fear into any whos enemy pays more
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And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE
Those screens look good if you have a time machine, travel back to like 4-5 years ago, and then look at them.
Otherwise they look super dated, and the orc lady isn't holding on to anything but air....
I like that Tasos is pointing out this is not "WoW" in the solo play part. No radar and no floating nametags makes it possible to really sneak : )
Yeah, and the arrows, bows will actually be really good if you learn to hit something.
And those screens are moving pictures in freeze frame, look at the movies to see them in better quality.
Seriously, i dont want to sound as crazy person.......but regarding of the outdated screens.....LOOK at the videos.
I agree its not a the graphics of a korean grindfest MMO, but if the graphics are 4 years behind.....the gameplay is 6 years before its time : )
Another very good journal. The last three have been excellent.
I tend to agree that graphically, the game may not be on par with many of the titles out and upcoming,. However, one must also consider that a significant amount of computing power will be focused on the combat mechanics. I'd take enhanced combat over graphics any day.
TBPFH the graphics look fine. They're a bit dated but certainly not immersion breaking by any stretch. I can forgive graphics, to an extent, if the gameplay is there. I loved UO and even when it was brand new it's graphics were dated by over 5 years.
That said I'm still not going to believe this is releasing anytime this millenia till I actually see it go to Beta... even then I'll have my doubts till it actually DOES release.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
finally they admit their world is not the size of Germany, how did the fanboys get that one in their head in the first place lol
Oh and graphics look worse than some of the games that came out 6 years ago. Graphics dont mean anything to me, but if you take a first glance at this game knowing nothing about it I really doubt that you will be enticed with such terrible graphics. And then you read into the game and the company behind it, it is easy to see why people think vaporware.
They really need to hurry up and release this game, they should of never tried to put everything in to one game they will be realeasing the game outdated already. They should of released the game with a few core features then added to it over time. Now most likely this game will release and give Dark and light a run for its money in the shit release and bullshitting catagory.
Got to love how they said in their last journal that they would love to do more videos which take 5 mins to do, okay so where are they then? To be honest I dont think I will bother even trying this game when it comes out it has waste of money written all over it.
Ill just settle with games that have half the features that I look for in a game rather than hope a game like Darkfall has all the features in the game when they have not proven anything to anyone in the last 7 years almost 8 years now I dont mind the long development time but they dont seem to have anything to show for it.
Whats funny is it actually looks realistic that Duke nukem forever will be out before this game, I remeber when that was joke and not a likely fact.
They obviously read their forums, it is not going to kill them to sit down for 10 mins and do a video that shows off atleast half their features if they cant do this which seems likely, then like always it begs the question what do they have to hide?
I predict a fanboy will make alot of excuses for them in response to this post Ive heard all their excuses before and most likely Ive been following the game longer than half the fanboys who seem to be compelled to defend this company non stop.
$5.99 a month anyone?
I think it's pretty safe to assume at this point and by that statement that nobody wants to publish this game and it will end up being self published....
and the only reason no one would publish a game is because it isn't up to current industry standards for a MMO. Not that it would surprise me or anything.
IMO the game shouldn't be cheaper then all the other MMO's. Why? Because if they have bigger income = better servers + they can get more programmers, artists e.t.c.
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And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE
Lmao 3 screen shots , you guys kill me you really do i just come in here for the joke now.
$5.99 a month anyone?
I think it's pretty safe to assume at this point and by that statement that nobody wants to publish this game and it will end up being self published....
and the only reason no one would publish a game is because it isn't up to current industry standards for a MMO. Not that it would surprise me or anything.
So now being competive in an industry who is either free or expensive is a bad thing ? Also, what is bad with publishing the games themselves ? Isn't that what Blizzard or Funcom does ?
Your are assuming a whole lot and I give you credit for a very good developed imagination. I think it would serve better though if you used it to suggest features instead of complaing and tearing down.
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And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE
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And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE
yup he sure was.
Not really. Let's face it, you ARE a troll. Could you bring any proof that Darkfall is vaporware? No, I don't think so. If Darkfall really is vaporware then why the fuck would Aventurine take an gigantic loan?
Long development cycle? probably, yes, but if you think of the vast amount of features they need to implent, the amount of times they've improved the graphics and the big world they are creating a few years isn't that long.
They will release it but if it will have the quality they are promising.... that is one thing that remains to be seen.
Darkfall is about massive sieges and combat. no instances.
single player games like Crysis can push the envelope because they know how many characters will be displayed max. MMORPGs have no such luxury unless they are heaviuly instanced (aka portals into coop rpgs)
not trying to sound like a fanboi but I like mmorpgs they will run at 60 FPS on my machine. I dont want an MMO thats gonna kill my computer wit just 20 people onscreen
$5.99 a month anyone?
I think it's pretty safe to assume at this point and by that statement that nobody wants to publish this game and it will end up being self published....
and the only reason no one would publish a game is because it isn't up to current industry standards for a MMO. Not that it would surprise me or anything.
even chronicles of spellborn has no U.S. publisher and PoTBS had a really hard time getting one. They didnt really get one til right before release as far as I can tell
just saying....
How is he a troll? Anyone who points out all of the negative stuff about DF is automatically labeled a troll. it's funny. If you want to really be mad at someone then be mad at the true cause of the problem --- the darkfall developers.
At the end of the day , the critics , the vaporware tag , the countless missed beta dates , the unending dev cycle... it's all the developers faults.
I saw the post Scriar made. And he wanted developers to hurry to relese halfdone MMOs?
We should demand 100% done MMOs instead. This does not concern darkfall, but the whole MMO industry.
If players settle for the less, why would anyone wanna make a good MMO?
Atleast im done with all those crappy MMO that we see today. They are nothing compared what we did see 6 years ago.
And i would gladly stop my wating for DF......if i could find another good MMO that not had the "vaporware mark" on it.
But until today......there is no other.
And it was a nice update : )
If this game is half done then expect to see it in 20never. They have said themselfs that the game has all its features in now. I dont want to see anyone release crappy unfinished games. But there comes a time when a developer can not release a game that is so obviously outdated. Or more precicisly they can not afford to have even more time to develop, this game really has it last chance next year. It atleast has to go in to a public beta, and it needs to prove it hasn't bullshitted for the last 8 years.
It is also a fine balance between taking your time, and finishing the product even if it does not have all the features in at release. They should of concentrated on a few core features rather than try to implement everything to a finished state before they release.
This is why this company is a joke. They actually want to have more features than any game ever made, and have it all at release, as well as having it all bug free so they can have a very short beta. It is very unlikely to happen, especially when their team is small and un experienced in anything related to games.
By the way I agree their arent any games offering everything Darkfall wants to offer, atleast not at release but thats understandable some companies actually have common sense. Something the Darkfall devs or most likely their management lacks.
If you promise everything a hardcore pvper would want in a mmo here is a revelutionary idea proove it actually works before bullshitting for 8 years about how your game has every feature implemented and how you are going to go into beta soon etc etc.
TCOS is a game that I am looking forward to it atleast has some of the stuff I like in Darkfall. For instance, they have a skill based combat system, they have FFA pvp, and items do not mean anything in fact they mean even less than what Darkfall equipment is because they dont even have stats. They also have the AI exactly like is described in Darkfall.
And after release they plan on adding the mounted combat, the guild v guild combat, no idea if they ever plan on adding siege but never cared about that any way. They even have RvR combat planned in the form of shard conquest, and flying mounts with a combat system for those as well.
I would rather wait for features like that to get implemented bit by bit so you have a great pvp game in the end rather than what Darkfall has where everything is implemented in at once because more than likely a lot of their features will be crap due to splitting their time.
If Darkfall had all the features in fully working as they claim I really do not understand why they do not show people atleast their main features to prove they are not bullshitting, but they don't they also do not keep in touch with the community so what they read a few threads would not hurt for them to stop by the forums every now and again, it puts more faith in the developer.
One last note to whoever it was that quoted my last post, I said I dont care about graphics I was pointing out that from the perspective of someone who knows nothing about this game looking at those graphics is not going to entice you.
You also do not need a top of the range graphics engine to make a game look good, their enviroments do look impressive it actually reminds me a lot of morrowind in the graphics department, in that the character models are shit, but the quality of the graphics actually adds to the atmosphere of the back ground.
But to be honest thats not an excuse anymore for permormance issues since their are mmos comming out that look better than this game, such as TCOS, and have a FPS combat system with dodging etc yet they have no problems with performance we know this because they have proven it to work with various videos that are obviously not edited.
So in summary if this game was feature complete as they claim ( in one of their newer dev journals tasos mentions it if you do not believe me go look) Then they should be showing that their servers actually can support all this combat.
Everything about Darkfall sounds to good to be true, that archery system he has described sounds great but yet again for some reason they can not prove it works especially after saying they would love to do more videos in their last journal.
Lastly, their development time is not that long when you think about it, 5 years for the average mmo 3 more years for this one, the only difference is these guys like 3drealms and duke nukem forever do not proove they have anything other than ideas they just release very outdated looking videos and screen shots every now and again.
Nice, i also wait for TCoS. A small europen developer that want to make the game 100% done before release (exept the features they will ad later).
The real time combat is a big +
Still....its class and level based : ( But its the most deasen loking MMO to be relesed in a near future.
I guess i have to play it until DF or Fallen Earth is relesed : )
All the haters keep whinning about graphix, they all look fine to me granted it's not AOC but let's be realistic only a small % of people will be able to even display let alone enjoy the type of graphix the newer games have especially in an environment which contains large sieges.
Holy crap,*** 3**** screenshots and like 2 answers! release must be upon us! just 2 more decades !
These new screenies look great, although the trolls and haters don't like to admit it, they're running out of things to moan about, keep up the great work guys, were all with you!
Pre-cu Fanbois,
There will be no rollback.
Go outside - Get a life,
It's not coming back.
We arn't giving you your game-back.
So go outside, and realize that you've wasted 2 years.
Pre-cu Fanbois.