My eye caught a thread where the monthly subscription and billing methods of Darkfall were discussed. Several posters insist that there's no way we could offer Darkfall lower than other MMO subscriptions out there. I don't see why not. As a matter of fact if we're left to our own devices, or if we have a say in the matter, Darkfall will be extremely competitive. We have a lot of faith in this game and that's our competitive advantage. We want as many people as possible to be able to try it out.
$5.99 a month anyone?
I think it's pretty safe to assume at this point and by that statement that nobody wants to publish this game and it will end up being self published....
and the only reason no one would publish a game is because it isn't up to current industry standards for a MMO. Not that it would surprise me or anything.
even chronicles of spellborn has no U.S. publisher and PoTBS had a really hard time getting one. They didnt really get one til right before release as far as I can tell
just saying....
Perfect example.
And both games you just mentioned there are a big pile of rubbish.
So why do you think that Darkfall would be any different? If it was that great, they would have a 'lineup' to publish the game... But what do i know: It's only been 12 years i worked in this industry.
/shrug
Keep dreaming...
What deserves to be done, deserves to be "well" done...
Another very good journal. The last three have been excellent. I tend to agree that graphically, the game may not be on par with many of the titles out and upcoming,. However, one must also consider that a significant amount of computing power will be focused on the combat mechanics. I'd take enhanced combat over graphics any day.
I'd take a good game over graphics any day... desperatley need a good game first and foremost.... So if you don't stand still the arrows wont hit i love it!!
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finally they admit their world is not the size of Germany, how did the fanboys get that one in their head in the first place lol Oh and graphics look worse than some of the games that came out 6 years ago. Graphics dont mean anything to me, but if you take a first glance at this game knowing nothing about it I really doubt that you will be enticed with such terrible graphics. And then you read into the game and the company behind it, it is easy to see why people think vaporware. They really need to hurry up and release this game, they should of never tried to put everything in to one game they will be realeasing the game outdated already. They should of released the game with a few core features then added to it over time. Now most likely this game will release and give Dark and light a run for its money in the shit release and bullshitting catagory. Got to love how they said in their last journal that they would love to do more videos which take 5 mins to do, okay so where are they then? To be honest I dont think I will bother even trying this game when it comes out it has waste of money written all over it. Ill just settle with games that have half the features that I look for in a game rather than hope a game like Darkfall has all the features in the game when they have not proven anything to anyone in the last 7 years almost 8 years now I dont mind the long development time but they dont seem to have anything to show for it. Whats funny is it actually looks realistic that Duke nukem forever will be out before this game, I remeber when that was joke and not a likely fact. They obviously read their forums, it is not going to kill them to sit down for 10 mins and do a video that shows off atleast half their features if they cant do this which seems likely, then like always it begs the question what do they have to hide? I predict a fanboy will make alot of excuses for them in response to this post Ive heard all their excuses before and most likely Ive been following the game longer than half the fanboys who seem to be compelled to defend this company non stop.
No need for excuses, I just don't think you understand how good this game will be. Great design graphics don't matter a jot variety skill based and immersion. They have their priorities right, the game will release with the required features and from a design perspective it is necessary that all features are included in the overall design to avoid game killers to be unimplementable in the future but i'm sure you know that.
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How is he a troll? Anyone who points out all of the negative stuff about DF is automatically labeled a troll. it's funny. If you want to really be mad at someone then be mad at the true cause of the problem --- the darkfall developers.
At the end of the day , the critics , the vaporware tag , the countless missed beta dates , the unending dev cycle... it's all the developers faults.
Theres no fault things take time and it is a troll just trying to get a cheap reaction.
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I saw the post Scriar made. And he wanted developers to hurry to relese halfdone MMOs? We should demand 100% done MMOs instead. This does not concern darkfall, but the whole MMO industry. If players settle for the less, why would anyone wanna make a good MMO? Atleast im done with all those crappy MMO that we see today. They are nothing compared what we did see 6 years ago. And i would gladly stop my wating for DF......if i could find another good MMO that not had the "vaporware mark" on it. But until today......there is no other. And it was a nice update : )
If this game is half done then expect to see it in 20never. They have said themselfs that the game has all its features in now. I dont want to see anyone release crappy unfinished games. But there comes a time when a developer can not release a game that is so obviously outdated. Or more precicisly they can not afford to have even more time to develop, this game really has it last chance next year. It atleast has to go in to a public beta, and it needs to prove it hasn't bullshitted for the last 8 years.
It is also a fine balance between taking your time, and finishing the product even if it does not have all the features in at release. They should of concentrated on a few core features rather than try to implement everything to a finished state before they release.
This is why this company is a joke. They actually want to have more features than any game ever made, and have it all at release, as well as having it all bug free so they can have a very short beta. It is very unlikely to happen, especially when their team is small and un experienced in anything related to games.
By the way I agree their arent any games offering everything Darkfall wants to offer, atleast not at release but thats understandable some companies actually have common sense. Something the Darkfall devs or most likely their management lacks.
If you promise everything a hardcore pvper would want in a mmo here is a revelutionary idea proove it actually works before bullshitting for 8 years about how your game has every feature implemented and how you are going to go into beta soon etc etc.
TCOS is a game that I am looking forward to it atleast has some of the stuff I like in Darkfall. For instance, they have a skill based combat system, they have FFA pvp, and items do not mean anything in fact they mean even less than what Darkfall equipment is because they dont even have stats. They also have the AI exactly like is described in Darkfall.
And after release they plan on adding the mounted combat, the guild v guild combat, no idea if they ever plan on adding siege but never cared about that any way. They even have RvR combat planned in the form of shard conquest, and flying mounts with a combat system for those as well.
I would rather wait for features like that to get implemented bit by bit so you have a great pvp game in the end rather than what Darkfall has where everything is implemented in at once because more than likely a lot of their features will be crap due to splitting their time.
If Darkfall had all the features in fully working as they claim I really do not understand why they do not show people atleast their main features to prove they are not bullshitting, but they don't they also do not keep in touch with the community so what they read a few threads would not hurt for them to stop by the forums every now and again, it puts more faith in the developer.
One last note to whoever it was that quoted my last post, I said I dont care about graphics I was pointing out that from the perspective of someone who knows nothing about this game looking at those graphics is not going to entice you.
You also do not need a top of the range graphics engine to make a game look good, their enviroments do look impressive it actually reminds me a lot of morrowind in the graphics department, in that the character models are shit, but the quality of the graphics actually adds to the atmosphere of the back ground.
But to be honest thats not an excuse anymore for permormance issues since their are mmos comming out that look better than this game, such as TCOS, and have a FPS combat system with dodging etc yet they have no problems with performance we know this because they have proven it to work with various videos that are obviously not edited.
So in summary if this game was feature complete as they claim ( in one of their newer dev journals tasos mentions it if you do not believe me go look) Then they should be showing that their servers actually can support all this combat.
Everything about Darkfall sounds to good to be true, that archery system he has described sounds great but yet again for some reason they can not prove it works especially after saying they would love to do more videos in their last journal.
Lastly, their development time is not that long when you think about it, 5 years for the average mmo 3 more years for this one, the only difference is these guys like 3drealms and duke nukem forever do not proove they have anything other than ideas they just release very outdated looking videos and screen shots every now and again.
Oh your long posts are getting very boring. This game is outdated in no way the concepts are old ones that have been superceeded with lame features that make for bad games with no longevity(Most of the current MMOs by bad i mean )... To design a complete game there is a core ammount of code that needs to be implemented from day one to support the concept and also the expansion or inclusion of features that are in the base design but will not be out at release.
These guys are smart and have backing, but understand their key focus. I believe them when they say the code base is complete, no current MMO releases will have gameplay even close to this(caveated by the fact that it does what it says on the box). As most of them are going down the wrong path in my opinion with care bear features that just create unchallenging environments that are just pleasant and no more.
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My eye caught a thread where the monthly subscription and billing methods of Darkfall were discussed. Several posters insist that there's no way we could offer Darkfall lower than other MMO subscriptions out there. I don't see why not. As a matter of fact if we're left to our own devices, or if we have a say in the matter, Darkfall will be extremely competitive. We have a lot of faith in this game and that's our competitive advantage. We want as many people as possible to be able to try it out.
$5.99 a month anyone?
I think it's pretty safe to assume at this point and by that statement that nobody wants to publish this game and it will end up being self published....
and the only reason no one would publish a game is because it isn't up to current industry standards for a MMO. Not that it would surprise me or anything.
even chronicles of spellborn has no U.S. publisher and PoTBS had a really hard time getting one. They didnt really get one til right before release as far as I can tell
just saying....
Perfect example.
And both games you just mentioned there are a big pile of rubbish.
So why do you think that Darkfall would be any different? If it was that great, they would have a 'lineup' to publish the game... But what do i know: It's only been 12 years i worked in this industry.
/shrug
Keep dreaming...
Maybe you are part of the problem and the Industry need people with good ideas and coding skills, bring on the new blood
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My eye caught a thread where the monthly subscription and billing methods of Darkfall were discussed. Several posters insist that there's no way we could offer Darkfall lower than other MMO subscriptions out there. I don't see why not. As a matter of fact if we're left to our own devices, or if we have a say in the matter, Darkfall will be extremely competitive. We have a lot of faith in this game and that's our competitive advantage. We want as many people as possible to be able to try it out.
$5.99 a month anyone? I think it's pretty safe to assume at this point and by that statement that nobody wants to publish this game and it will end up being self published.... and the only reason no one would publish a game is because it isn't up to current industry standards for a MMO. Not that it would surprise me or anything.
even chronicles of spellborn has no U.S. publisher and PoTBS had a really hard time getting one. They didnt really get one til right before release as far as I can tell just saying....
Perfect example. And both games you just mentioned there are a big pile of rubbish. So why do you think that Darkfall would be any different? If it was that great, they would have a 'lineup' to publish the game... But what do i know: It's only been 12 years i worked in this industry.
EVE Online was self published (distributed online) - no major publisher. I guess that game sucks too?
I'll give my usual answer when I read new Darkfall information:
"Sounds great, but when?"
I do like how they stated that soloing is viable.
I just really hope it's more of the "people will see you as an alignment liability" rather then the "you have a good chance to run/hide with no radar or name tags."
If I can solo because the alignment system is good enough to allow me to not have to worry about ganker @sshats 99% of the time, I'll be happy. If I have to run and hide 99% of the time I see another player.. well, I'm not going to pay for hide and seek online.
I am just wondering. Who is financing this game that get delayed and delayed and delayed? Have anyone checked out the stock information or other related information? A game cannot be in development for ages unless ppl are doing it as a hobby...
I am just wondering. Who is financing this game that get delayed and delayed and delayed? Have anyone checked out the stock information or other related information? A game cannot be in development for ages unless ppl are doing it as a hobby...
I wish someone who really knew what they were doing would take some time research this company thoroughly... Because as it stands now this company lives in myst and shadows.. theres basically nothing concrete known about them other then they have an address and office space in Greece.
Oh your long posts are getting very boring. This game is outdated in no way the concepts are old ones that have been superceeded with lame features that make for bad games with no longevity(Most of the current MMOs by bad i mean )... To design a complete game there is a core ammount of code that needs to be implemented from day one to support the concept and also the expansion or inclusion of features that are in the base design but will not be out at release.
These guys are smart and have backing, but understand their key focus. I believe them when they say the code base is complete, no current MMO releases will have gameplay even close to this(caveated by the fact that it does what it says on the box). As most of them are going down the wrong path in my opinion with care bear features that just create unchallenging environments that are just pleasant and no more.
If you don't want to read my "long" post that took me 4 or 5 mins to type don't no one is forcing you to.
This game is outdated, they have nothing going for them apart from including everything in 1 game and they have not proven that they even have that yet so no one believes them. And even if they did not have everything which would be fine they still have not proven even 1 of their features works.
There are games coming out next year that have most of the features that are core to this game in them and they have proven their concepts to work, what has Aventurine done? nothing but talk, whilst their proof is very outdated videos and screen shots.
Their graphics will be a factor in how well they do. Especially if TCOS and AOC do well, do you honestly think people are going to give a crap that they dumbed down the graphics engine so they could have better combat. When these other 2 games have 10x better graphics and are proven to work with the same sort of combat system?
AOC you can not really compare I suppose because it still has some turn based style combat in it, but TCOS has better graphics visually at least, on a technical level they are probably on par with Darkfall so it makes this game appear worse when other companies with the same size team are getting better results who also started development at the same time as these guys yet their forums are not full of vapourware posts I wonder why...
(unreal engine 2.5 I believe no idea what these guys are using but its 6 years old at the least}.
And it has a combat system almost identical to that of Darkfall oh and more important they have actually shown their combat works and that they can hold large battles.
It would take them 5 minutes if they truely have this game working with all the features in as they say to video their beta testers all fighting thats all the TCOS devs did they frapsed a fight that they did not edit it and showed it.
Thats all they need to do to show they have a combat system that works with servers that can support the constant battles that will happen in this game. And they have never done this, with all the failed mmos and this game stinking of another dark and light you would think these guys have enough common sense to prove they are not talking shit but again for some reason they do not.
No one is making any of this stuff up, all of the problems these guys have with non fanboys being a lot more pessimistic(edit) are self inflicted, and it would be very easy for them to sort this problem out but as I and many others have said they still don't so it does not put any faith in them.
Oh and like I said at the beginning of my post if you don't want to read my so called long posts don't. And it just makes you look like an idiot for complaining about reading them in the follow up posts...
I find it alarming there are still players out there arguing MMOs must have cutting edge graphics even though the market has indicated the exact opposite. I just read an article here in General how World of Warcraft is one of the few best seller PC gamers for the simple fact it runs on most systems out there.
If my computer can't handle about 100 players simulataneously being rendered- I am not buying that MMO.
Also, if you think TCoS or AoC has the same feature set as this title then you need to be a bit more practical. There is no way AoC will have true realtime combat when it releases. Nor will it be close to an open skill system (its class based).
Now TCoS is a game I been watching. But their PVP forums are pretty dead on the official site. You can see me posting there
The only worry is when/if Darkfall will come out. But dated graphics, that's an advantage. I play MMO for massive sieges. I am not one of those 'new bandwagon MMO' players that much have 'awesome graphics'. I dont want a game thats gonna kill my PC and I would say the market agrees with me seeing how Vanguard and EQ2 did at launch (both notorious for killing PCs at launch).
I have to give Scriar credits for posting well written posts (mostly), but still i dont agree that the graphics look that awful in the DF screens.
And then again, we all know most players trade graphics for amazing gameplay, see Runescape. Terrible graphics but sandbox gameplay.
TCoS is a very promising MMO, but level/class based. Im not sure i can stand one more xp grind MMO. And if thats all i can hope for...MMO wise.....im '¤#"*ed.
Thats why we still waits for a MMO as Darkfall. Even if it sounds to good to be true. Im also waiting for fallen Earth and Infinity.
edit- sorry this post might be a little off topic. I am going to create a thread called Dakfall vs Age of Conan vs Spellborn to discuss 'promised' feature sets
Originally posted by daarco I have to give Scriar credits for posting well written posts (mostly), but still i dont agree that the graphics look that awful in the DF screens. And then again, we all know most players trade graphics for amazing gameplay, see Runescape. Terrible graphics but sandbox gameplay. TCoS is a very promising MMO, but level/class based. Im not sure i can stand one more xp grind MMO. And if thats all i can hope for...MMO wise.....im '¤#"*ed. Thats why we still waits for a MMO as Darkfall. Even if it sounds to good to be true. Im also waiting for fallen Earth and Infinity. Both those MMOs have a very unceartain future : (
great post according to neilsens the two top most played MMOs are Runescape and World of Warcraft for PC players.
BOTH MMOs areknown for their ability to run on the low denominator computers.
my main concern about TCos is performance and the treadmill like you have. ASlso, I believe PVP will be 'gated' in TCOS (must be Level xx to partcipate in PVP).
I like the screenshots I've been seeing come from these devs (DFO).
I just want to add to the nr 4: You can wear all items in DF to. But the visual effect is what you get. That you dont get in TCoS. There you can have "armour" in the sigils, and not wearing a actual armour. For me...thats not exactly a 100% good thing.
Oh your long posts are getting very boring. This game is outdated in no way the concepts are old ones that have been superceeded with lame features that make for bad games with no longevity(Most of the current MMOs by bad i mean )... To design a complete game there is a core ammount of code that needs to be implemented from day one to support the concept and also the expansion or inclusion of features that are in the base design but will not be out at release.
These guys are smart and have backing, but understand their key focus. I believe them when they say the code base is complete, no current MMO releases will have gameplay even close to this(caveated by the fact that it does what it says on the box). As most of them are going down the wrong path in my opinion with care bear features that just create unchallenging environments that are just pleasant and no more.
If you don't want to read my "long" post that took me 4 or 5 mins to type don't no one is forcing you to.
This game is outdated, they have nothing going for them apart from including everything in 1 game and they have not proven that they even have that yet so no one believes them. And even if they did not have everything which would be fine they still have not proven even 1 of their features works.
There are games coming out next year that have most of the features that are core to this game in them and they have proven their concepts to work, what has Aventurine done? nothing but talk, whilst their proof is very outdated videos and screen shots.
Their graphics will be a factor in how well they do. Especially if TCOS and AOC do well, do you honestly think people are going to give a crap that they dumbed down the graphics engine so they could have better combat. When these other 2 games have 10x better graphics and are proven to work with the same sort of combat system?
AOC you can not really compare I suppose because it still has some turn based style combat in it, but TCOS has better graphics visually at least, on a technical level they are probably on par with Darkfall so it makes this game appear worse when other companies with the same size team are getting better results who also started development at the same time as these guys yet their forums are not full of vapourware posts I wonder why...
(unreal engine 2.5 I believe no idea what these guys are using but its 6 years old at the least}.
And it has a combat system almost identical to that of Darkfall oh and more important they have actually shown their combat works and that they can hold large battles.
It would take them 5 minutes if they truely have this game working with all the features in as they say to video their beta testers all fighting thats all the TCOS devs did they frapsed a fight that they did not edit it and showed it.
Thats all they need to do to show they have a combat system that works with servers that can support the constant battles that will happen in this game. And they have never done this, with all the failed mmos and this game stinking of another dark and light you would think these guys have enough common sense to prove they are not talking shit but again for some reason they do not.
No one is making any of this stuff up, all of the problems these guys have with non fanboys being a lot more pessimistic(edit) are self inflicted, and it would be very easy for them to sort this problem out but as I and many others have said they still don't so it does not put any faith in them.
Oh and like I said at the beginning of my post if you don't want to read my so called long posts don't. And it just makes you look like an idiot for complaining about reading them in the follow up posts...
I disagree and think you are wrong in my opinion, the minute you use the phrase "Outdated" your post looses any credibility, has no real context the game isn't even in Beta yet so whats to prove.
I think the reason I can't read these post is that they are rambling add no real value to the debate. I know you are trying but then i'd rather wait and see how darkfall progresses, if you have nothing to add about Darkfall in this forum then to me your post adds little value.
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I'll give my usual answer when I read new Darkfall information: "Sounds great, but when?" I do like how they stated that soloing is viable. I just really hope it's more of the "people will see you as an alignment liability" rather then the "you have a good chance to run/hide with no radar or name tags." If I can solo because the alignment system is good enough to allow me to not have to worry about ganker @sshats 99% of the time, I'll be happy. If I have to run and hide 99% of the time I see another player.. well, I'm not going to pay for hide and seek online.
The alignment and faction here is key and if they can pull this off it will be excelent, and with no radar I can see a lot of scope for fun and excitement. The environment means every game session will be an adventure self generatuing content great ( as long as it isn't a 1 hit gank fest then i look forward to this at soem future point).
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$5.99 a month anyone?
I think it's pretty safe to assume at this point and by that statement that nobody wants to publish this game and it will end up being self published....
and the only reason no one would publish a game is because it isn't up to current industry standards for a MMO. Not that it would surprise me or anything.
even chronicles of spellborn has no U.S. publisher and PoTBS had a really hard time getting one. They didnt really get one til right before release as far as I can tell
just saying....
Perfect example.And both games you just mentioned there are a big pile of rubbish.
So why do you think that Darkfall would be any different? If it was that great, they would have a 'lineup' to publish the game... But what do i know: It's only been 12 years i worked in this industry.
/shrug
Keep dreaming...
What deserves to be done, deserves to be "well" done...
If the gameplay is good, this graphics are correct.
I'd take a good game over graphics any day... desperatley need a good game first and foremost.... So if you don't stand still the arrows wont hit i love it!!
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No need for excuses, I just don't think you understand how good this game will be. Great design graphics don't matter a jot variety skill based and immersion. They have their priorities right, the game will release with the required features and from a design perspective it is necessary that all features are included in the overall design to avoid game killers to be unimplementable in the future but i'm sure you know that.
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How is he a troll? Anyone who points out all of the negative stuff about DF is automatically labeled a troll. it's funny. If you want to really be mad at someone then be mad at the true cause of the problem --- the darkfall developers.
At the end of the day , the critics , the vaporware tag , the countless missed beta dates , the unending dev cycle... it's all the developers faults.
Theres no fault things take time and it is a troll just trying to get a cheap reaction.
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If this game is half done then expect to see it in 20never. They have said themselfs that the game has all its features in now. I dont want to see anyone release crappy unfinished games. But there comes a time when a developer can not release a game that is so obviously outdated. Or more precicisly they can not afford to have even more time to develop, this game really has it last chance next year. It atleast has to go in to a public beta, and it needs to prove it hasn't bullshitted for the last 8 years.
It is also a fine balance between taking your time, and finishing the product even if it does not have all the features in at release. They should of concentrated on a few core features rather than try to implement everything to a finished state before they release.
This is why this company is a joke. They actually want to have more features than any game ever made, and have it all at release, as well as having it all bug free so they can have a very short beta. It is very unlikely to happen, especially when their team is small and un experienced in anything related to games.
By the way I agree their arent any games offering everything Darkfall wants to offer, atleast not at release but thats understandable some companies actually have common sense. Something the Darkfall devs or most likely their management lacks.
If you promise everything a hardcore pvper would want in a mmo here is a revelutionary idea proove it actually works before bullshitting for 8 years about how your game has every feature implemented and how you are going to go into beta soon etc etc.
TCOS is a game that I am looking forward to it atleast has some of the stuff I like in Darkfall. For instance, they have a skill based combat system, they have FFA pvp, and items do not mean anything in fact they mean even less than what Darkfall equipment is because they dont even have stats. They also have the AI exactly like is described in Darkfall.
And after release they plan on adding the mounted combat, the guild v guild combat, no idea if they ever plan on adding siege but never cared about that any way. They even have RvR combat planned in the form of shard conquest, and flying mounts with a combat system for those as well.
I would rather wait for features like that to get implemented bit by bit so you have a great pvp game in the end rather than what Darkfall has where everything is implemented in at once because more than likely a lot of their features will be crap due to splitting their time.
If Darkfall had all the features in fully working as they claim I really do not understand why they do not show people atleast their main features to prove they are not bullshitting, but they don't they also do not keep in touch with the community so what they read a few threads would not hurt for them to stop by the forums every now and again, it puts more faith in the developer.
One last note to whoever it was that quoted my last post, I said I dont care about graphics I was pointing out that from the perspective of someone who knows nothing about this game looking at those graphics is not going to entice you.
You also do not need a top of the range graphics engine to make a game look good, their enviroments do look impressive it actually reminds me a lot of morrowind in the graphics department, in that the character models are shit, but the quality of the graphics actually adds to the atmosphere of the back ground.
But to be honest thats not an excuse anymore for permormance issues since their are mmos comming out that look better than this game, such as TCOS, and have a FPS combat system with dodging etc yet they have no problems with performance we know this because they have proven it to work with various videos that are obviously not edited.
So in summary if this game was feature complete as they claim ( in one of their newer dev journals tasos mentions it if you do not believe me go look) Then they should be showing that their servers actually can support all this combat.
Everything about Darkfall sounds to good to be true, that archery system he has described sounds great but yet again for some reason they can not prove it works especially after saying they would love to do more videos in their last journal.
Lastly, their development time is not that long when you think about it, 5 years for the average mmo 3 more years for this one, the only difference is these guys like 3drealms and duke nukem forever do not proove they have anything other than ideas they just release very outdated looking videos and screen shots every now and again.
Oh your long posts are getting very boring. This game is outdated in no way the concepts are old ones that have been superceeded with lame features that make for bad games with no longevity(Most of the current MMOs by bad i mean )... To design a complete game there is a core ammount of code that needs to be implemented from day one to support the concept and also the expansion or inclusion of features that are in the base design but will not be out at release.These guys are smart and have backing, but understand their key focus. I believe them when they say the code base is complete, no current MMO releases will have gameplay even close to this(caveated by the fact that it does what it says on the box). As most of them are going down the wrong path in my opinion with care bear features that just create unchallenging environments that are just pleasant and no more.
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$5.99 a month anyone?
I think it's pretty safe to assume at this point and by that statement that nobody wants to publish this game and it will end up being self published....
and the only reason no one would publish a game is because it isn't up to current industry standards for a MMO. Not that it would surprise me or anything.
even chronicles of spellborn has no U.S. publisher and PoTBS had a really hard time getting one. They didnt really get one til right before release as far as I can tell
just saying....
Perfect example.And both games you just mentioned there are a big pile of rubbish.
So why do you think that Darkfall would be any different? If it was that great, they would have a 'lineup' to publish the game... But what do i know: It's only been 12 years i worked in this industry.
/shrug
Keep dreaming...
Maybe you are part of the problem and the Industry need people with good ideas and coding skills, bring on the new blood
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i agree with Isane
New blood ftw
Yep, we need more new blood in the MMO industry.
And how can some people say DF is a old concept.......when it never have been done before,
WASD mowement and manual aiming in a playerbased sandbox MMO. Full loot and FFAPvP. No other developer is doing that.
it doesnt help when the publishers all just care about the money along with some other devs 2
Then we can all hope that Aventurine does publish DF themselves. As CCP did with EVE. That way we get the best from two worlds.
EVE Online was self published (distributed online) - no major publisher. I guess that game sucks too?
I'll give my usual answer when I read new Darkfall information:
"Sounds great, but when?"
I do like how they stated that soloing is viable.
I just really hope it's more of the "people will see you as an alignment liability" rather then the "you have a good chance to run/hide with no radar or name tags."
If I can solo because the alignment system is good enough to allow me to not have to worry about ganker @sshats 99% of the time, I'll be happy. If I have to run and hide 99% of the time I see another player.. well, I'm not going to pay for hide and seek online.
I am just wondering. Who is financing this game that get delayed and delayed and delayed? Have anyone checked out the stock information or other related information? A game cannot be in development for ages unless ppl are doing it as a hobby...
I wish someone who really knew what they were doing would take some time research this company thoroughly... Because as it stands now this company lives in myst and shadows.. theres basically nothing concrete known about them other then they have an address and office space in Greece.
Oh your long posts are getting very boring. This game is outdated in no way the concepts are old ones that have been superceeded with lame features that make for bad games with no longevity(Most of the current MMOs by bad i mean )... To design a complete game there is a core ammount of code that needs to be implemented from day one to support the concept and also the expansion or inclusion of features that are in the base design but will not be out at release.These guys are smart and have backing, but understand their key focus. I believe them when they say the code base is complete, no current MMO releases will have gameplay even close to this(caveated by the fact that it does what it says on the box). As most of them are going down the wrong path in my opinion with care bear features that just create unchallenging environments that are just pleasant and no more.
If you don't want to read my "long" post that took me 4 or 5 mins to type don't no one is forcing you to.
This game is outdated, they have nothing going for them apart from including everything in 1 game and they have not proven that they even have that yet so no one believes them. And even if they did not have everything which would be fine they still have not proven even 1 of their features works.
There are games coming out next year that have most of the features that are core to this game in them and they have proven their concepts to work, what has Aventurine done? nothing but talk, whilst their proof is very outdated videos and screen shots.
Their graphics will be a factor in how well they do. Especially if TCOS and AOC do well, do you honestly think people are going to give a crap that they dumbed down the graphics engine so they could have better combat. When these other 2 games have 10x better graphics and are proven to work with the same sort of combat system?
AOC you can not really compare I suppose because it still has some turn based style combat in it, but TCOS has better graphics visually at least, on a technical level they are probably on par with Darkfall so it makes this game appear worse when other companies with the same size team are getting better results who also started development at the same time as these guys yet their forums are not full of vapourware posts I wonder why...
(unreal engine 2.5 I believe no idea what these guys are using but its 6 years old at the least}.
And it has a combat system almost identical to that of Darkfall oh and more important they have actually shown their combat works and that they can hold large battles.
It would take them 5 minutes if they truely have this game working with all the features in as they say to video their beta testers all fighting thats all the TCOS devs did they frapsed a fight that they did not edit it and showed it.
Thats all they need to do to show they have a combat system that works with servers that can support the constant battles that will happen in this game. And they have never done this, with all the failed mmos and this game stinking of another dark and light you would think these guys have enough common sense to prove they are not talking shit but again for some reason they do not.
No one is making any of this stuff up, all of the problems these guys have with non fanboys being a lot more pessimistic(edit) are self inflicted, and it would be very easy for them to sort this problem out but as I and many others have said they still don't so it does not put any faith in them.
Oh and like I said at the beginning of my post if you don't want to read my so called long posts don't. And it just makes you look like an idiot for complaining about reading them in the follow up posts...
they dont because they dont have to they have said before you can believe us if you want
there not a bent on money only like other mmorpgs ...
I find it alarming there are still players out there arguing MMOs must have cutting edge graphics even though the market has indicated the exact opposite. I just read an article here in General how World of Warcraft is one of the few best seller PC gamers for the simple fact it runs on most systems out there.
If my computer can't handle about 100 players simulataneously being rendered- I am not buying that MMO.
Also, if you think TCoS or AoC has the same feature set as this title then you need to be a bit more practical. There is no way AoC will have true realtime combat when it releases. Nor will it be close to an open skill system (its class based).
Now TCoS is a game I been watching. But their PVP forums are pretty dead on the official site. You can see me posting there
The only worry is when/if Darkfall will come out. But dated graphics, that's an advantage. I play MMO for massive sieges. I am not one of those 'new bandwagon MMO' players that much have 'awesome graphics'. I dont want a game thats gonna kill my PC and I would say the market agrees with me seeing how Vanguard and EQ2 did at launch (both notorious for killing PCs at launch).
I have to give Scriar credits for posting well written posts (mostly), but still i dont agree that the graphics look that awful in the DF screens.
And then again, we all know most players trade graphics for amazing gameplay, see Runescape. Terrible graphics but sandbox gameplay.
TCoS is a very promising MMO, but level/class based. Im not sure i can stand one more xp grind MMO. And if thats all i can hope for...MMO wise.....im '¤#"*ed.
Thats why we still waits for a MMO as Darkfall. Even if it sounds to good to be true. Im also waiting for fallen Earth and Infinity.
Both those MMOs have a very unceartain future : (
edit- sorry this post might be a little off topic. I am going to create a thread called Dakfall vs Age of Conan vs Spellborn to discuss 'promised' feature sets
great post according to neilsens the two top most played MMOs are Runescape and World of Warcraft for PC players.
BOTH MMOs areknown for their ability to run on the low denominator computers.
my main concern about TCos is performance and the treadmill like you have. ASlso, I believe PVP will be 'gated' in TCOS (must be Level xx to partcipate in PVP).
I like the screenshots I've been seeing come from these devs (DFO).
Nice one.
I just want to add to the nr 4: You can wear all items in DF to. But the visual effect is what you get. That you dont get in TCoS. There you can have "armour" in the sigils, and not wearing a actual armour. For me...thats not exactly a 100% good thing.
Im also a TCoS fan.
These guys are smart and have backing, but understand their key focus. I believe them when they say the code base is complete, no current MMO releases will have gameplay even close to this(caveated by the fact that it does what it says on the box). As most of them are going down the wrong path in my opinion with care bear features that just create unchallenging environments that are just pleasant and no more.
If you don't want to read my "long" post that took me 4 or 5 mins to type don't no one is forcing you to.
This game is outdated, they have nothing going for them apart from including everything in 1 game and they have not proven that they even have that yet so no one believes them. And even if they did not have everything which would be fine they still have not proven even 1 of their features works.
There are games coming out next year that have most of the features that are core to this game in them and they have proven their concepts to work, what has Aventurine done? nothing but talk, whilst their proof is very outdated videos and screen shots.
Their graphics will be a factor in how well they do. Especially if TCOS and AOC do well, do you honestly think people are going to give a crap that they dumbed down the graphics engine so they could have better combat. When these other 2 games have 10x better graphics and are proven to work with the same sort of combat system?
AOC you can not really compare I suppose because it still has some turn based style combat in it, but TCOS has better graphics visually at least, on a technical level they are probably on par with Darkfall so it makes this game appear worse when other companies with the same size team are getting better results who also started development at the same time as these guys yet their forums are not full of vapourware posts I wonder why...
(unreal engine 2.5 I believe no idea what these guys are using but its 6 years old at the least}.
And it has a combat system almost identical to that of Darkfall oh and more important they have actually shown their combat works and that they can hold large battles.
It would take them 5 minutes if they truely have this game working with all the features in as they say to video their beta testers all fighting thats all the TCOS devs did they frapsed a fight that they did not edit it and showed it.
Thats all they need to do to show they have a combat system that works with servers that can support the constant battles that will happen in this game. And they have never done this, with all the failed mmos and this game stinking of another dark and light you would think these guys have enough common sense to prove they are not talking shit but again for some reason they do not.
No one is making any of this stuff up, all of the problems these guys have with non fanboys being a lot more pessimistic(edit) are self inflicted, and it would be very easy for them to sort this problem out but as I and many others have said they still don't so it does not put any faith in them.
Oh and like I said at the beginning of my post if you don't want to read my so called long posts don't. And it just makes you look like an idiot for complaining about reading them in the follow up posts...
I disagree and think you are wrong in my opinion, the minute you use the phrase "Outdated" your post looses any credibility, has no real context the game isn't even in Beta yet so whats to prove.
I think the reason I can't read these post is that they are rambling add no real value to the debate. I know you are trying but then i'd rather wait and see how darkfall progresses, if you have nothing to add about Darkfall in this forum then to me your post adds little value.
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The alignment and faction here is key and if they can pull this off it will be excelent, and with no radar I can see a lot of scope for fun and excitement. The environment means every game session will be an adventure self generatuing content great ( as long as it isn't a 1 hit gank fest then i look forward to this at soem future point).
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You need skill to gank in DF, the levels wont do it for you. And as in Battlefield, you dont wanna travel alone.....that would be 100% stupidity.
And another thing. I did just read the review (again) Asp made a few months ago. Damn it sounds good, it makes you walk around with a big smile.