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Guild Wars is a F2P Game?!?!?!?
boommer99
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Does anyone else think it is unfair for Guild Wars to be allowed in the F2P game category for this years reader's choice awards?
I know that mmorpg.com is claiming that any game without a subscription fee is F2P, but the other games in the category are ACTUALLY FREE. Meaning you NEVER have to pay ANYTHING to play them. Guild Wars is not.
This IS NOT a dig on Guild Wars, it just seems that the category was put together to give Guild Wars a guaranteed win. There is NO WAY anyone in their right mind would vote for GE:SotNW or Fury over GW. They are 2 separate classes of game altogether.
I don't know... I just think it is a little unfair. It's like letting a bull enter a dog fight.
And honestly shouldn't Hellgate: London be in the category if GW is? I mean you don't have to pay a subscription on that game either?
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I agree. It should have it's own classification. I'd suggest the following 3 categories (you can call them anything you like)
Free - Can be downloaded and played for free for as long as you want. No fees ever.
Subscription - Subscription fee required to play.
Non-Subscription or Optional Subscription - No monthly fee, but the game requires a purchase. I would also put those games in here that allow you to subscribe, but it's optional.
No other game delivered such high production content and servers as GW, that's f2p.
And Granado Espada is f2p because it sux.
Wow... that is the point.
Guild Wars is NOT F2P.
When I can download the game for free and never have to pay a subscription fee like I can Fury and GE then I will consider it free... but I can't I have to pay... which makes it P2P or at LEAST B2P but definately NOT F2P.
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None of those games listed are Free to play. Fury even has a monthly fee for advance features (It's PVP based, yes you NEED them.) All those free games are a scam for you to pay REAL money for virtual items because you want to be a stronger player then the rest of them. They also make you download something that records what you do with your computer and then sell that info to major Asian companies for millions.
EDIT: I just can't grammar today. And encase you can't tell that last part of my post IS a joke. But I did got Trojan once for downloading a game before.
MMORPG = Many Men Online Role Playing Girls
MMORPG = Many Men Online Role Playing Girls
My argument is that F2P Games and P2P games are usually not on the same level and in fact Guild Wars is NOT a F2P but a B2P game and should not be in a category with other games that do NOT REQUIRE you to pay ever. Sword/GE, Fury, Dungeon Runner and Puzzle Pirates let you in completely free then offer additives if you want them.
For the most part I play Sword on a regular basis and the items they offer are not game breaking. There are no Epic Weapons or armors being sold and you can enjoy the entire game from level 1 to 100 without ever paying a cent. The same cannot be said about Guild Wars.
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dungeon runners is not "free" ,imo
I would put that one in the last category as well. Anything that does accept money but doesn't require a reoccuring subscription would fall into the last category.
Technically the games you consider to be F2P aren't, as if they were the publishers wouldn't be paying good money to keep it going now would they? No...they make money through cash shops. I hardly find a difference between paying once, then having free reign or not paying at all but being hounded to and eventually giving into buying cash shop items. Either way neither Guild Wars nor the other F2P MMOs require a monthly fee, meaning they are all meant to be in that category.
I totally disagree. At no time are you 'hounded' into purchasing anything in GE/Sword. I have a full Clan of people who consistently play Sword/GE and never purchase anything from the cash shop. They have full Customer Support from K2 (IAH Games does as well). They get to participate in GM Events and XP events and get everything I get and they never have to pay a dime.
Guild Wars on the other hand FORCES you to pay them $19.99 AT LEAST to get in. That does not occur with the other games.
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The fact that people are worried about Guild Wars being in the same category as the other games speaks loads for those other games doesn't it?
When I played Flyff the announcements page was always littered with the latest cash shop items available and "buy now!" etc. nonsense. With Guild Wars I don't get that nonsense.
No one is saying anything bad about Guild Wars. The problem is it is NOT in the same league as the other games. It's a one-side butt whooping.
THAT is the issue I am trying to convey to you. I know you want to take this as a bash to GW, but it's not. NOWHERE here has anyone said anything bad about the game. It is more about the fact that it doesn't seem fair to pit a game with a dev budget of $45Million up against $10-20 Million games.
As for cash shop advertisements, that doesn't happen with Sword/GE. Flyff =/= Either game. See for yourself.
www.swordofthenewworld.com
ge.iahgames.com
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i don't think a kid can play GW without asking his parents to pay for the money, so saying GW is f2p completely doesn't make sense.
However a kid CAN play GE without asking his parents to pay for the game.
it is like realplayer or winzip they are free, you can pay to upgrade for more features or remove the annoying day counter but you cannot say they are not free to use
also, by your definition, i am curious about which mmorpg is really f2p then?
I know no one is saying anything bad about Guild Wars...everyone has their own opinions of the game anyway, but what I am saying is that a game is considered Free to Play by most people if it doesn't have a monthly fee, which Guild Wars and all those other games do not have.
@ Kal, in my opinion there are no free to play games except those who have no purchase price, no monthly fee, no cash shops or anything. Then it will be completely free.
DeVeer-McKellan from Illier here
/salute
Just chipping in my 2 vis, what people seem to be missing is a difference in genre.
The idea behind an MMORPGS is that 1, 10 or 100 people can be in the same playfield regardless of affiliation.
IMHO, Guild Wars is an MORPG, Multiplayer Online RPG. Theres nothing massive about it, the closest it gets to being an MMORPG is the cities and MAYBE GvG pvp.
And yes I have played both games for a long time, just that I'm sick of the commercialising of GW and I stopped playing it. I loved it back in early release and I played it fanatically, but not any more...
Life isn't fair. Move on.
Well I read this thread entirely but it still becomes confusing to be but this is how it is iin my point of view.
Guild Wars in my eyes is a p2p game because you have to buy it from retail. GW is not a p2p game because of the cash shop though. If a game has a cash shop it is still f2p because you are not being forced to pay for it.
This is why SOTNW/GE is a f2p while GW is a p2p. GE has a cash shop but you dont have to use it and it is also a free download so clearly f2p.
Although at one point GE was a retail game just like GW was it not? When I purchased GE I knew it was a free download but I was in the store and the retail box version was 10 bucks so I picked it up anyways. So at one point GE was like GW because it was retail but now it falls into the other category as a f2p.
Summary:
Guildwars = P2P
SOTNW = F2P
I know no one is saying anything bad about Guild Wars...everyone has their own opinions of the game anyway, but what I am saying is that a game is considered Free to Play by most people if it doesn't have a monthly fee, which Guild Wars and all those other games do not have.
@ Kal, in my opinion there are no free to play games except those who have no purchase price, no monthly fee, no cash shops or anything. Then it will be completely free.
So back to my other statement. You are arguing something that is not the issue here. You want some lunatic to spend $40 Million to make a game free for you.The issue here is that they are pitting a game with a dev budget of $45 Million with games that have dev budgets under $20 Million. And at it's core GW IS NOT F2P. You must shell out money to get into Guild Wars. No monitary transaction is needed in the other games on the list.
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How do you know how much money NCsoft/ArenaNET have spent developing GW, how do you how much money has been spent on SotNW?
While the games you call F2P only have a item shop, they all make your life miserable if you don't buy stuff from the item shop.
Considering this, would you classefie Pirates of the Caribbean Online as F2P? It has a "don't pay a cent and play" plan. Do you consider its F2P business model correct for that category?
i don't see a big deal all those F2P games make some sort of Revenue no Game that is listed is realy !FREE! even if !YOU! don't pay for it the others that pay for it are paying the bills so the Game can run.
uhhh...wasn't Fury sold the same way as Guild wars?
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
Fury and Sword both have 'Retail' editions but are completely free to download online
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There are no free to play games I am aware of. The definition of free to play would be one that requires no payment for the client, no subscription fee, and no mircopayment revenue for items/coin which is coerced thru game design. The only example of a truly free to play game was Anarchy Online, when they received revenue from in game ads only, but they are also using micropayments now and is no longer free to play.
As long as you're not forced to pay while having access to the game, it's free to play, it's that simple.
Yeah Anarchy Online and Shadowbane are the only real Free MMORPG i know off. (not sure anymore about Shadowbane correct me if i am wrong)