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Huge battles, how much RAM is needed?
Kon85
Member Posts: 88
Hello,
Since I can play mmorpg's like WoW on full graphical settings and newer ones like Lotro on a mixture of highest and some medium settings, I'm not thinking about upgrading my CPU or graphics card.
However, I am concerned about 1 thing. The RvR. Does this mean that the battles will consist out of tons of players? Unlike a 10 vs 10 battleground in WoW for example.
I'm guessing RAM is the most important thing is huge fights then? Will 1GB be enough? Don't mind tuning a few settings down, but I have some bad experiences with WoW's AV with 512 ram on my older pc
Kon
p.s i know i know, official req's are released yet
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I dont believe there are going to be huge RvR battles with tremendous lag. I member them saying the scenarios are a lot like WoW's and DaoC. Just to be safe I would say you probably should have at least 1gig of ram.
No official reqs have been posted yet.
When it comes to games and ram, more is always better. However I wager its safe to say that 1gig will be enough to play the game and not have a framerate problem. When the battles get huge (as they did in daoc) even players with a lot of power in thier computers would turn down the graphics options.
Torrential
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
In extremely large battles (can recall the all palas vs all shamans on one server battle) it's not your PC that can't take it, it's the servers.
QFT, my machine was top of the line back in the day of Daoc's Relic slideshows
If you don't have at least 2 GB RAM, why are you even bothering? If you PC is older than 5 years don't even play newer games. If you can afford a monthly game bill, you can afford to upgrade computer parts.
Short answer: 2GB RAM (for 32-bit system) or 3-4 GB RAM (for 64-bit system)
Long answer:
I have played DAoC, Planetside and other games where there was large-scale PvP battles. I have played them with various computers and connections.
My feeling about WAR is that we will be seeing PvP action in Open World RvR -- especially during Fort/Siege combat -- that could range from a few dozen people to a few hundred.
In DAoC, the server I played on I was Hibernian and there always seemed to be a preference for fighting in the Hibernian Old Frontiers which continued in the New Frontiers with Midgard and Albion wrestling for control of the Hibernian towers and keeps.
This was okay for Hibbies, since *rolls eyes* we never had to travel far to find a good fight.
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If you don't have at least 2 GB RAM, why are you even bothering? If you PC is older than 5 years don't even play newer games. If you can afford a monthly game bill, you can afford to upgrade computer parts.
Excuse me? "If you dont have at least 2gb why bother?" Dude....you can play any mmo out there atm with 1gbThanks for all the reactions/experiences, looks like I'm going to try WAR with 1gb, since I can play large battles like AV in WoW with graphics on high. If WAR is loads heavier then that, I might upgrade then I guess.
Yeah, I agree.
You definitely can play MMOs with 1GB RAM and people do all the time.
I would only add that most players are recommending and using 2GB especially where high-end graphics or large-scale PvP is concerned.
Naturally, one's personal budget is going to play a factor in the decision.
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I have to agree that 1 gb Ram should be adequate.
I get the impression that warhammer wont have massive battles but more on 12 on 12 and 24 on 24 max. Guess we will have to wait and see it confirmed for sure.
If you don't have at least 2 GB RAM, why are you even bothering? If you PC is older than 5 years don't even play newer games. If you can afford a monthly game bill, you can afford to upgrade computer parts.
Excuse me? "If you dont have at least 2gb why bother?" Dude....you can play any mmo out there atm with 1gbThanks for all the reactions/experiences, looks like I'm going to try WAR with 1gb, since I can play large battles like AV in WoW with graphics on high. If WAR is loads heavier then that, I might upgrade then I guess.
WoW graphics on high is still low for the newer mmorpgs. WoW is now 3 years old? So that are high settings for a 3 year old pc. Warhammer Online is a 2008 game, so you are probably have to run that between minimum and medium.About that GB. It can't hurt to buy another 1GB ram, but if you do so don't buy slower ram then you got now, because when you do that the other is slower too. If you have now 800 Mhz ram. Do not buy 400 Mhz ram, because the other will run also on 400 Mhz.
1 GB ram is not expensive either. Around $20 for good ram, however i don't think you need 2 GB for a mmorpg.
Excuse me? "If you dont have at least 2gb why bother?" Dude....you can play any mmo out there atm with 1gb Don't over do it-.- 2gb is beter, NOT minimum. That was a really stupid comment if you ask me.
Thanks for all the reactions/experiences, looks like I'm going to try WAR with 1gb, since I can play large battles like AV in WoW with graphics on high. If WAR is loads heavier then that, I might upgrade then I guess.
WoW graphics on high is still low for the newer mmorpgs. WoW is now 3 years old? So that are high settings for a 3 year old pc. Warhammer Online is a 2008 game, so you are probably have to run that between minimum and medium.
To be frank WAR doesn't have that awesome graphics, I wouldn't even call them good looking. I don't believe that a computer that can play LOTRO on some of the highest settings will have problems with WAR, that said if they don't make the requirements too high.
Err...that's only if you just play the scenarios. World PvP will potentially have much more people around, especially for keep sieges, and the PvP endgame, city sieges, will probably see participants in the hundreds.
WAR is designed to allow massive battles. That's also a reason why the graphics are a good notch below the current technological level.
2 Gigs should be adequate but you may experience a great deal of lag in high populated pvp areas if you are running 1Gb of Ram. I would suggest 2 Gb if you find it for cheap to be on the safe side and maybe a good vid card NVIDIA 7900 GS would be a good way to go.
Mythic wants to pull in the people who refuse to update that "just getting by rig" so it maybe safe to say you might get another year or two out of it before you are forced to upgrade.
Well, I have a proper CPU and a proper GPU, so I'm only doubting my RAM atm.
WoW runs fine with everything on high(incl some AA settings etc) and lotro runs on default; "high" with an average of 50 fps....But, whenever I raid or walk in Bree, the game keeps a nice FPS but chucks a bit now and then.
I have checked my memory usage in lotro with loads of people around(pvp and raid test) the memory that is being used is between 950-1020mb. That is almost my full 1024mb installed...
Then I would suggest you to buy another gig. Even slight lag in PvP can ruin the whole fight and experience for you.
You say it's a stupid comment and that you can play ANY mmo with 1gb.... ever tried playing Vanguard with 1gb? Hell i could even loosen up the definition and say Dark and Light is unplayable with 1gb... since it's unplayable anyway LOL
You will find that games will suck up as much available memory as possible to make things as smooth as possible.
A game that uses 950 MB of memory with 1 GB installed will probably use 1500+ MB with 2 GB installed under the same settings. This is not a bad thing, as dormant memory is useless memory, and it is more efficient to use as much as possible.
However, I still recommend at least 2 GB for gaming these days, even for a game like WAR that will have modest requirements and likely will advertise a minimum of 1 GB and a recommendation of 2 GB. You will be thankful when a large-scale fight is going on. Right now I am running 2 GB but might upgrade to 4 GB since DDR2 is so cheap now. When I bought 2 GB of high-quality DDR2 a year ago it was a small fortune, now with DDR3 slowly debuting DDR2 is stupidly cheap.
IMO u can play most games out there with 1GB RAM BUT it will run and load incredably better with 2GB. Besides, CPU and GPU have A LOT to do with that too. So depending on the hardware configuration and the game u want to play it can make a huge diference.
Not true at all. Most graphical lag is based off of your own machine. It's based on how much throughput your machine can handle, and how much your connection can handle as well.
Servers normally can handle quite a bit of activity as it's strictly run from shell scripting, which means that they don't need to process any local graphics, so it takes a tremendous load off the servers memory and processor. Since EA is backing the development financially, I would assume they would be using larger-scale servers (i.e. IBM P-series, HP DL360+, etc).
Also, WoW's battles were condensed to "BattleGrounds" because Blizzard did not know how to deal with the net-code lag for open-world PvP concepts. Rather than fix the lag issues, they just took PvP out from the open-world PvP format, and stuffed it into 'Scenario' based-instances with a fixed amount of players. WAR is going to be the opposite really. They will still have instanced PvP (scenarios), however the rest of the entire gameplay will take place with large scale PvP wars/combat throughout the seemless environments. There are area's which hundreds of players will have to battle it out in order to lets say...save a keep or castle.
RAM and your Video Card are your 2 primary concerns for a game like this. After that, I would also look at your processor(s). I personally have 4GB of DDR2 800 OCZ RAM at the moment, and I also have 2x ATi 2900XT 512MB crossfired
I don't know about you, but when I play an MMO (or any game for that matter) I like to see GRAPHICS, not a bunch of geometric pastel colors...
Not true at all. Most graphical lag is based off of your own machine. It's based on how much throughput your machine can handle, and how much your connection can handle as well.
Servers normally can handle quite a bit of activity as it's strictly run from shell scripting, which means that they don't need to process any local graphics, so it takes a tremendous load off the servers memory and processor. Since EA is backing the development financially, I would assume they would be using larger-scale servers (i.e. IBM P-series, HP DL360+, etc).
Also, WoW's battles were condensed to "BattleGrounds" because Blizzard did not know how to deal with the net-code lag for open-world PvP concepts. Rather than fix the lag issues, they just took PvP out from the open-world PvP format, and stuffed it into 'Scenario' based-instances with a fixed amount of players. WAR is going to be the opposite really. They will still have instanced PvP (scenarios), however the rest of the entire gameplay will take place with large scale PvP wars/combat throughout the seemless environments. There are area's which hundreds of players will have to battle it out in order to lets say...save a keep or castle.
In the case I was talking about they were fighting out in the open and the servers crashed. From my experience it's the servers whom take the most "crap" when it comes to extremely large battles.
RAM and your Video Card are your 2 primary concerns for a game like this. After that, I would also look at your processor(s). I personally have 4GB of DDR2 800 OCZ RAM at the moment, and I also have 2x ATi 2900XT 512MB crossfired
Not true at all. Most graphical lag is based off of your own machine. It's based on how much throughput your machine can handle, and how much your connection can handle as well.
Servers normally can handle quite a bit of activity as it's strictly run from shell scripting, which means that they don't need to process any local graphics, so it takes a tremendous load off the servers memory and processor. Since EA is backing the development financially, I would assume they would be using larger-scale servers (i.e. IBM P-series, HP DL360+, etc).
Also, WoW's battles were condensed to "BattleGrounds" because Blizzard did not know how to deal with the net-code lag for open-world PvP concepts. Rather than fix the lag issues, they just took PvP out from the open-world PvP format, and stuffed it into 'Scenario' based-instances with a fixed amount of players. WAR is going to be the opposite really. They will still have instanced PvP (scenarios), however the rest of the entire gameplay will take place with large scale PvP wars/combat throughout the seemless environments. There are area's which hundreds of players will have to battle it out in order to lets say...save a keep or castle.
In the case I was talking about they were fighting out in the open and the servers crashed. From my experience it's the servers whom take the most "crap" when it comes to extremely large battles.
RAM and your Video Card are your 2 primary concerns for a game like this. After that, I would also look at your processor(s). I personally have 4GB of DDR2 800 OCZ RAM at the moment, and I also have 2x ATi 2900XT 512MB crossfired
I understand, but again, Blizzard did not know how to deal with the net-code lag at all. I remember that particular incident; 40 Pally's v.s. 40 Shamans (although there were more than 80 people there in total). The server crashed not because of the RAM on the server, or any piece of hardware, it crashed because the net-code programming was terrible. Blizzard actually TRIED (lol) to upgrade hardware to fix that issue, it did help other problems however, but not the net-code. The server-to-client in WoW was so bad that sometimes people wouldn't appear on your screen until they were RIGHT in front of you. So yes, in that respect, it was a server issue. By the way, the problem still persists 'til this day...one of the reasons I left the game behind.
Some people.. need to put that crack pipe down. If you are so dillusional that you are believe that 1Gig is enough RAM for an MMO.. you need to seek a councilor.
Take my system for example. I have an old 250gig HD at 7200 RPM. A GeForce 6800. I also have 1Gig of RAM currently. I upgraded my MoBo to an Asus Striker Extreme and bought a Dual Core Conroe 2.66.
I ran WoW on highest setting at 70fps out in the wilderness, alone. In cities, maybe 35-40fps. In 40-men insances.. maybe 25-30 when the stuff was hitting the fan.
In LOTRO, I ran a constant 40-50 fps on medium settings, in cities.. my lack of RAM lead to harsh choppiness until I had everything loaded. In small 5-10 men battles, I would get around 30-35fps.
In my trial of Tabula Rasa, I ran 20-25 fps on low settings. Though, even in battles.. It stayed around 20-25.
Now. Warhammer Online will be released in mid 2008. The graphics will be scaleable to an extent I'm sure. But, If I even want to dream of running WAR on medium-high settings.. I'd at least need to upgrade to a 7800 or better. I would need a minimum of 2Gigs of RAM to load up, walk through cities and fight in large scale battles.. with any chance of it NOT being a slideshow.
Here is my recommendation. All in set in large scale battles.. let's go with 50 v 50 for example.
20-40fps - Low Graphics ... 6800 or equivalent Radeon. 1 Gig of RAM. .. stock parts. (still choppy)
30-50fps - Medium Graphics.... 7800 or equivalent Radeon. 1.5Gig of RAM.. minor aftermarket parts ( decent Mobo, single or dual CPU, etc.)
40-60fps - High Graphics... 7900 or equivalent Radeon. 2Gig of RAM... moderate aftermarket ( good Mobo, high end single/dual CPU, good airflow, decent HD)
60+ - Ultra High Graphics... Cheap 8800 or better or equivalent Radeon. 4Gig of RAM... major aftermarket ( High end Mobo, dual-core/quad-core CPU, Fast HD, Sound card.. since it takes strain off of the MB if you're running MB sound)
I may be way off.. but these seem like they would work on something a little more graphic intensive than WoW and maybe around the same scale as LOTRO. Keep in mind.. it's just a guess, but you are a fool if you think you can run a new MMO with 1 gig, with large scale combat, and with a semi-consistent framerate.
I'm building this for WAR.
Asus Striker Extreme
WD 150G Raptor Drive (10,000rpm)
2.66 Dual Core CPU
NVGA GeForce 8800Ultra (Maybe two in SLI)
Thermaltake Toughpower 1000W PSU
8 (Yes 8!) Gigs of XMS2 Corsair DDR2 800 (PC26400)
I know it's overkill, but I want to make sure that if I have problems.. it's either my connection or the server. I have Cox Powerboost as well.. so I don't anticipate any problems.
LoL more money than common sence either that or mommy and daddy have more money and than common sence. In the end the thing that is going to suffer the most in a large scale battle is your video card if you do not have enough horsepower in your video card to render all those avatars, shade them ect you are going to get graphics lag, it has nothing to do with your connection and very little to do with the amount of RAM you have provided you have at least 1-2 gigs. That being said anyone that has been to a castle seige in Lineage 2 knows all about this kind of lag being that there are anywhere from 200 to 500+ people at a seige and with a 8800gts 640 i can run seiges at high settings and max draw distance (although not after the latest expansion that just came out they revamped the graphics engine) unless you are doing rendering or some other task that requires every bit of horsepower your machine has 2 ultras is retarted SLI and crossfire are both rediculous seeing that most games are not programmed to take advantage of SLI or Crossfire in the first place that and oyu are getting about a card and a half of processing power when it is programmed for it even at 16x on both slots.
So when it comes to building a great gaming system Video card, RAM, Processor, in that order... and stay away from ATI not only do their drivers suck when is the last time you saw a game that was not optimized for an Nvidia card?
Keep siege is probably same as daoc with 300 vs 300 easily. City siege we are talking about the whole server but it also depends on how they are going to do city instance.
Currently, the only game that I am aware of that will take advantage of dx10 graphic cards and dual/quadcore processors is Age of Conan. If I were you, I would wait before spending all that money on a system of that magnitude "unless you know something the rest of us don't?".