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It's Official ! Girl Gamers are better than the Boys.

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  • A.BlacklochA.Blackloch Member UncommonPosts: 842

    Not so sure about girl gamers being better, but damn some of them are pretty cute. I wonder how giving a headshot or backstabbing these gals would feel like?

    It's so different when the enemy is "just some guy".  There's no shame on it and he just propably deserved it.

  • KeridwanKeridwan Member Posts: 118

    Originally posted by anonymousse

    Originally posted by Keridwan


     
    End Note: Femmes Fatales will be recruiting for WarHammer two months before it is released.


     
    Keri
     
    xoxoxo

    It's cute that you're making a women only guild. I'm sure the women in my guild will be happy to beat down a bunch of feminists alongside their male counterparts.

    Whilst I did not wish to discuss the guild, I do feel I need to comment here. If you read the myspace material (under construction) on Femmes Fatales you will see that we have no time for "feminism" or any other "ism" for that matter. Readers might notice your use of the phrase "beat down" and make their own assumptions. However. it would be nice if you would research things carefully before making wild assertions. It is often better to think before making gross assumptions.

    myspace.com/femmesfatalesguild

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  • AguyAguy Member Posts: 561

    Yeah, because when girls make a league in CS they are automatically the best, right?

  • silverlobosilverlobo Member Posts: 76

    In my opinion there really is no diffrence in abilities between a man and a women when it comes to gaming. It's at best a test of eye hand coordination and quick thinking. Now with that said I'm not impressed with companies having diffrent brackets for women and men gamers. Now why would they do that? Oh thats right, because they can generate more money that way.

    Lastly, I know you are use to making statements like "Women are better then men at <insert BS>, and 99% of the time we just agree, but I hope you understand we do that to get you to shut up, because we do know we are overmatched in arguing stupid points, you have us beat hands down.

  • Bane82Bane82 Member UncommonPosts: 1,242


    Originally posted by silverlobo
    In my opinion there really is no diffrence in abilities between a man and a women when it comes to gaming. It's at best a test of eye hand coordination and quick thinking. Now with that said I'm not impressed with companies having diffrent brackets for women and men gamers. Now why would they do that? Oh thats right, because they can generate more money that way.
    Lastly, I know you are use to making statements like "Women are better then men at <insert BS>, and 99% of the time we just agree, but I hope you understand we do that to get you to shut up, because we do know we are overmatched in arguing stupid points, you have us beat hands down.

    Oddly enough, when this happens with my wife, it's usually 50/50 because I simply won't let go until she admits she's wrong (don't get me wrong, there's also the other 50% when I have to admit I'm wrong). Oddly enough I do get her to admit it when she's wrong ha! :)

    With us it's never about the gender wars (because frankly, I don't care), it always stays strictly on facts/being objective etc., and she doesn't like it because I don't let her derail from that lol!

  • anonymousseanonymousse Member Posts: 61

    Originally posted by LordSic

    Originally posted by anonymousse


     
    Originally posted by LordSic


    This comment is for chip 
     
    Dude im a military veteran .. Are you? i would rather not have women in the military if they dont want to be there. The last draft was 35 years ago or so... comparing military service to gaming is insanity.  i cant imagine too many miitary vets saying they think women need to be on the draft list .. im really quite taken back by that comment

     

    I think you completely missed the point the guy was making. He was basically saying that women AREN'T equal, and they never will be, because they'll never be required to draft.

    Read a post several times and think about the context before jumping to conclusions, is my suggestion.

       There was no conclusion to jump to... i simply stated my personal opinion and didnt really comment directly on his post at all... i do think there is an implication in what he said which i didnt comment on but bothers me yes

    You jumped to the conclusion that he was saying women should be allowed in the draft. It's pretty damn clear to see that when you read your post. You also attacked him by asking if he was a military vet, which is an indirect attack, but an attack none the less.

    Ultimately what matters is that you were taken aback by a satirical comment that you mis-interpreted.

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    On another note, to the feminist OP. Whether you think you're feminist or not, the fact you're making a woman only guild IS a feminist act. It would be like white people making a white only guild, or black people making a black only guild, or men making a men only guild. No matter how you justify it, you are segregating, which is a bad thing.

  • MobidikMobidik Member Posts: 101

    The only thing that make you very very verygood in a game its the way your thinking and the way your analysing. So Depend on what kind of person you are ! but boys and girl don't always think the same things ! that why they are some competition versus girl and boys

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  • CzzarreCzzarre Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,742

    Well, perhaps not better. But they definitly are more sought after

    Torrential

  • AbIeLAbIeL Member UncommonPosts: 152

     lol all lies, Mens always gonna be better then girls in game, We are born playing  games

  • ElRenmazuoElRenmazuo Member RarePosts: 5,361
    Originally posted by AbIeL


     lol all lies, Mens always gonna be better then girls in game, We are born playing  games

    We are born with a Joy Stick so you would think so lolol.

  • KeridwanKeridwan Member Posts: 118

     



    On another note, to the feminist OP. Whether you think you're feminist or not, the fact you're making a woman only guild IS a feminist act. It would be like white people making a white only guild, or black people making a black only guild, or men making a men only guild. No matter how you justify it, you are segregating, which is a bad thing.

     

    Again my advice to you is to read things more carefully. Nowhere did I say we are creating a women ONLY guild. Does it say so in the OP? I don't think so. There is no material anywhere that states that Femmes Fatales is women only. The guild took a decision a long time ago in DAoC to admit any femme playing chars, who are decent, tolerant, keen and interested in role playing. It is sometimes more difficult to check if people have these attributes, but much easier to check if they are really female. A few standard questions easily determines whether or not an applicant is really male or female (but this is a separate point).

    So if I may refer you yet again to the myspace site, it states quite clearly that we are NOT a female only guild. Who determines what is good or bad, is a matter for the moral philosophers, teachers and moral police force, I hardly think you are qualified to determine such virtues. Still I guess we live in times when everyone wants to claim "their rights" to an opinion however banal and supercilious it may be. Have a nice New Year.

     

    p.s. but on the matter of intelligence, which clearly relates to game playing, all current research in psychology shows that women are universally more intelligent than men, and in the specialist field of cognitive heuristics it shows that women are better at making "critical decisions" than men. Surely the latter is a key attribute for game playing?

  • ElRenmazuoElRenmazuo Member RarePosts: 5,361
    Originally posted by Keridwan


     


    On another note, to the feminist OP. Whether you think you're feminist or not, the fact you're making a woman only guild IS a feminist act. It would be like white people making a white only guild, or black people making a black only guild, or men making a men only guild. No matter how you justify it, you are segregating, which is a bad thing.

     

    Again my advice to you is to read things more carefully. Nowhere did I say we are creating a women ONLY guild. Does it say so in the OP? I don't think so. There is no material anywhere that states that Femmes Fatales is women only. The guild took a decision a long ago in DAoC to admit any femme playing chars, who are decent, tolerant, keen and interested in role playing. It is sometimes more difficult to check if people have these attributes, but much easier to check if they are really female. A few standard questions easily determines whether or not an applicant is really male or female (but this is a separate point).

    So if I may refer you yet again to the myspace site, it states quite clearly that we are NOT a female only guild. Who determines what is good or bad, is a matter for the moral philosophers, teachers and moral police force, I hardly think you are qualified the determine such virtues.

    Since it is a role play guild, does the men with female avatars have to act like females since they cant have male avatars?

  • ElRenmazuoElRenmazuo Member RarePosts: 5,361

    This all female characters guild is going to suck in Warhammer since some of the classes are only male class.  Especialy if your destruction.

  • HrothmundHrothmund Member Posts: 1,061

    Originally posted by Mortemia


    Not so sure about girl gamers being better, but damn some of them are pretty cute. I wonder how giving a headshot or backstabbing these gals would feel like?
    It's so different when the enemy is "just some guy".  There's no shame on it and he just propably deserved it.
    Just the same as headshotting anyone else.

     

    In regards to the misleading title of this forum thread; I am quite sure the best CS players in the world are male, this is pure math. Women and girls are suchs a minute minority amongst FPS players, that I'd be surprised if only but a few exceptions in the Counter-Strike elite of the world were female.

    Having said that, my girlfriend schools me in NHL 2008 nearly every time we play against each other. I don't think that either gender has a huge advantage genetically speaking when FPS or MMO playing skills are in questions. Women might be able to multi-task better, but we "hunters" should have better hand-eye coordination from a genetic standpoint. In conclusion, I don't think MMOs or FPS games have yet gotten to the level where either of these genetic advantages are in any way relevant.

  • HrothmundHrothmund Member Posts: 1,061
    Originally posted by tkreep


    This all female characters guild is going to suck in Warhammer since some of the classes are only male class.  Especialy if your destruction.

    I am afraid that people have been known to roleplay opposing genders. Just because the person on the other end of the screen happens to be a glamour model or WWF wrestler does not mean they can't play a completely different character in game.

  • Bane82Bane82 Member UncommonPosts: 1,242

    [quote]Originally posted by Keridwan 


     
    p.s. but on the matter of intelligence, which clearly relates to game playing, all current research in psychology shows that women are universally more intelligent than men, and in the specialist field of cognitive heuristics it shows that women are better at making "critical decisions" than men. Surely the latter is a key attribute for game playing? image

    I think you're confusing capacity for intelligence as opposed to actually being intelligent. I've met both men and women that are dumb as bricks as well as have met men and women that are sharp as tacks. Intelligence ultimately is about how you use what you have learned over the years, it's not something pre-determined at birth. Which is something I've read these so called "studies" say. Oh, their brain is 1/5th of an inch bigger, therefore they MUST be smarter, right?

    In psychology I actually learned that men for the most part tend to use the side of the brain that deals with logic (math, science, physics etc.) and that women tend to use their creative side (writing, painting etc.) So, if I went by your logic, then the reality SHOULD be, that men are more "intelligent" and therefore more capable for the fields of nuclear physics, architecture etc. While women SHOULD end up being no more than aspiring artists that work as waitresses until they "hit it big" It could be pre-determinedly argued that "universally" men are more intelligent than women because they use the logical side of the brain as opposed to the side that simply wants to write poetry.

    See this is what stinks about generalizations, and I think it low of you to try and bring the "intelligence" argument in here. But then again, considering the type of responses and childish threads I've seen here, I can see where one can't help but lower themselves if only for a short bit.

    As for your defenses against your guild, you're obviously missing the signs/cues the players here are seeing. They see a thread named "It's OFFICIAL, girl gamers are better than boy gamers" You post an article, which by the way, has shown no actual proof to your thread's claims. Then on top of that you post the name of your guild "Femme Fatales" (if that doesn't sound to you as pro "female-only" then you need to find a french dictionary quick) and say you're recruiting. You can argue that your guild is not female only, but the way you have presented it lends credence to the opposite.

    I'm going to use a hypothetical situation, and an extreme one at that. But maybe it'll give you a clue as to what I'm talking about. Warning, this will be very extreme and some might even consider it distasteful. But I like to show extremes because I think it can sometimes give clearer pictures of smaller, blurrier situations.

    "It's OFFICIAL Nazi scientists have found out that people of color have lower intelligence than the white race (yes this actually happened)" then I post a thread with the findings of these so called scientists, which by the way didn't do any real research other than measure the skull size of the respective races. It didn't have any substantial evidence as to actually WHY the white race was "smarter" than colored people, only that the skull sizes were different. Big whoop.

    At the end you post an endorsement for your guild called "the new Nazi revolutionaries". and how exactly do you expect people to react?

    Now one can argue "Oh no, it's not being racist. See if you look at our page we actually accept people of all races, not only that, our name says we're revolutionaries, we're not the same blah blah blah" and yes, they might be completely right, their intentions might be completely harmless, but when people see the way it was presented in the article, how do you expect people to react?

    Ok Hypothetical situation over. Your guild might be feminist, might not, quite frankly don't care. But the way you had presented it in the article led credence to a different opinion. What I really think happened here was. You saw an opportunity to get the attention of female gamers and supporters here and have them join your "non-segregated" guild by using the message of female empowerment and "we'll show them we can play just as good yadda yadda yadda" and instead this opportinity backfired on you by posters who really don't care one way or the other.

    Word of advice, presentation is key. How you try to advertise yourself, guild etc. can depict you in a positive, or a negative way. In this case, it backfired. If your guild really isn't feminist (again, don't know, don't care) then you could have easily advertised it in a separate thread instead of advertising it at the end of a thread that had a questionable title, a questionable article and advertised a non-gender specific guild with a questionable name. What you ended up doing is portray what could easily be considered underlying negative motives. Especially once you mentioned that you actually do interviews to make sure the players were really who they were, basically what you did was raise another flag and again, make players question your real motives.

    Class dismissed.

  • ElRenmazuoElRenmazuo Member RarePosts: 5,361
    Originally posted by Hrothmund

    Originally posted by tkreep


    This all female characters guild is going to suck in Warhammer since some of the classes are only male class.  Especialy if your destruction.

    I am afraid that people have been known to roleplay opposing genders. Just because the person on the other end of the screen happens to be a glamour model or WWF wrestler does not mean they can't play a completely different character in game.



    What i mean is since the guild is only female avatars they wont get to have all the types of classes in the guild because some classes in WAR are male only class.  So they might be missing a class that could be a good advantage in the game play.  Like if they all role destruction they wont have a tank since all the tank classes are male only.  Chosen, Black Guard, And all Green Skin appear to be males even though they dont have a specific gender.

  • HrothmundHrothmund Member Posts: 1,061

    p.s. but on the matter of intelligence, which clearly relates to game playing, all current research in psychology shows that women are universally more intelligent than men, and in the specialist field of cognitive heuristics it shows that women are better at making "critical decisions" than men. Surely the latter is a key attribute for game playing?

    Woah, there is no conclusive research that is universally accepted in this field. I'd be careful about statements like this on these well kerosene-oiled forums.

     

    In regards to gender specific genetic advantages actually affecting gameplay, you are a little off the track here. Games in general are not exactly very intellectually involving, or hectic, especially not MMOs. Until games actually get to the difficulty level where immense concentration is required, the people who put in the time and effort to "master" a game will be the elite players for that particular game and natural ability won't play a large part. This also means that in the near future at least, the gaming elite will be male, that is just math.

  • xmechnaxmechna Member UncommonPosts: 20
    but much easier to check if they are really female. A few standard questions easily determines whether or not an applicant is really male or female (but this is a separate point).



    the thing about the internet is you caint tell these things guys arenot
    big/small stupid animals that dont know how to figure things out or pose
    as a girl over the internet no amount of questioning a person over the internet can realy determine what sex they are.

    even then i could just easly have a sister or gf talk over a mic or take a pic
  • anonymousseanonymousse Member Posts: 61

    Originally posted by Keridwan


     


    p.s. but on the matter of intelligence, which clearly relates to game playing, all current research in psychology shows that women are universally more intelligent than men, and in the specialist field of cognitive heuristics it shows that women are better at making "critical decisions" than men. Surely the latter is a key attribute for game playing?


    And here is all that matters. Shame you spoiled what could have been a legitimate post by finishing it off with tripe like this. It's sad that you're so insecure that you have to make yourself feel better by claiming dominance over men. This is an obvious case of equality gone too far, and this is why feminists are dangerous. I myself am a lover of equality, but feminists claim that they are in fact superior to men (just like Chauvanists claim they are superior to women). While it's obvious to see that women have been badly mistreated in the past, this is no excuse for pure arrogance.

     

    Well, on a positive side, your guild will attract players that wouldn't fit in anywhere else, and have an attitude that would be bad for co-operative play. So I suppose that's a benefit that the rest of us don't have to team up with the likes of that. I'm glad I have normal female friends who are comfortable enough being a part of a normal atmosphere, and don't need special circumstances to make them feel secure.

  • HrothmundHrothmund Member Posts: 1,061
    Originally posted by tkreep

    Originally posted by Hrothmund

    Originally posted by tkreep


    This all female characters guild is going to suck in Warhammer since some of the classes are only male class.  Especialy if your destruction.

    I am afraid that people have been known to roleplay opposing genders. Just because the person on the other end of the screen happens to be a glamour model or WWF wrestler does not mean they can't play a completely different character in game.



    What i mean is since the guild is only female avatars they wont get to have all the types of classes in the guild because some classes in WAR are male only class.  So they might be missing a class that could be a good advantage in the game play.  Like if they all role destruction they wont have a tank since all the tank classes are male only.  Chosen, Black Guard, And all Green Skin appear to be males even though they dont have a specific gender.

    True, my apologies. Being a lazy bastard I did not read the previous posts carefully enough.

  • SunriderSunrider Member UncommonPosts: 527

    i think i've been over the article several times and still cant find the proof that women are better gamers then men.

    secondly, several different researches have come to unanimous that a womans brain as a woman gets old shrinks more rapidly then a mans. This lack of "grey matter" for women causes women to slowly become "less smart" then men as time and age go on. Considering a man and woman of equal age and of similar cognitive health take a test, the man will (according to research) be able to maintain information longer and more accurately then there women counterparts.

    according to research of course.

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  • Shoko_LiedShoko_Lied Member UncommonPosts: 2,193

    yep, k, thats cool. i am dummer, a worse gamer, and will live shorter than women games, great... on top of that i dont have a vagina, I think Men are being ripped off in life. maybe women should give us some sympathy lovin.

  • ElRenmazuoElRenmazuo Member RarePosts: 5,361

    This is the worst recruitment thread for a guild lol

    Anyway I love women and the world would realy suck without them.

  • Bane82Bane82 Member UncommonPosts: 1,242


    Originally posted by tkreep
    This is the worst recruitment thread for a guild lol

    What he said (only I used more words lol!)

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