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Sandbox again wins MMO of the year, hello developers....
admriker4
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When are we gonna stop getting wow clones and get a new sandbox mmo ? Bioware's interviews makes it clear its another wow clone. So does Star Trek (if it even gets launched).
The people have spoken developers, we prefer overwhelmingly sandbox MMO's. Its time to rethink those boring linear quest-driven concepts.
Eve wins best MMO once again
SWG loses hundreds of thousands of players once it dumps its sandbox game for a linear design.
The evidence is clear. Why not give the folks what they want ?
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The opinions of the posters on this site represent a small percentage of actual gamers nation and world wide. While the majority of gamers here prefer EVE to any other game this does not mean that everyone wants this type of game, quite the opposite i would say if you go by subscription trends.
Because developers listen more when people vote with the wallets. The real winner is determined by $$$.
The Best MMO of The Year Award + $3.50 will get you a cafe latte.
Few people in the whole MMORPG genre even play that game but the very few that play it stick together like some extended family.
Bottom line is that when I hear about EVE winning something on here I take it with a grain of salt. When it starts winning game of the year on Spike TV, IGN, or some other gamming site then I will then start taking it serious. Since that means more then the 15k people on that one little server have taken notice of EVE.
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wow is the exception, not the rule. Blizz has spent 100 million dollars developing and supporting WoW with heavy advertising included.
Unless you plan on spending that kind of money it would be wise to develop your product for your target audience.
40,000 people voted here. Thats a pretty good sample of the core MMO audience. Unless you have the ad budget to reach outside of the MMO audience it would be smart to make a game catered to us.
Few people in the whole MMORPG genre even play that game but the very few that play it stick together like some extended family.
Bottom line is that when I hear about EVE winning something on here I take it with a grain of salt. When it starts winning game of the year on Spike TV, IGN, or some other gamming site then I will then start taking it serious. Since that means more then the 15k people on that one little server have taken notice of EVE.
I totally agree - the results cannot be trusted as they reflect the opinions of a small, unrepresentative community of gamers. Also, as you said, EVE voters come out in droves to support their game, while people who play something like WoW do not.
The only vote that matters is the one we make with our money. Thousands of fanboys doing a mass vote to win some silly website award means nothing.
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Few people in the whole MMORPG genre even play that game but the very few that play it stick together like some extended family.
Bottom line is that when I hear about EVE winning something on here I take it with a grain of salt. When it starts winning game of the year on Spike TV, IGN, or some other gamming site then I will then start taking it serious. Since that means more then the 15k people on that one little server have taken notice of EVE.
You should take that grain of salt instead with spike or ign. those guys base their rewards and reviews on advertising revenue.
Dont forget it isnt just Eve that proves sandbox games are more popular with the mmo crowd. Clearly SWG was better as a sandbox mmo. It had 250k+ players in that format. As a linear game SWG has less than 50k.
Ive seen polls conducted here by mmorpg.com that overwhelmingly had sanbox the clear winner as well. Who wouldnt choose freedom over forced gameplay ?
Players who discuss on this forum, players who use mmorpg.com for more than getting some informations about a game, what kind of players are those players ? What kind of players are we ?
Certainly, we're interested enough by the mmorpg genre to spend time discussing about it. And we're also probably players who have some experience with the mmo market.
A very newbie to mmo probably wont come and start discussing about mmorpgs, like we do, for sure. But this newbie may become more experienced and start discussions here, later.
That being said... While mmorpg.com community may not represent the majority of gamers all over the world, it doesnt mean that every gamer who isnt a member of mmorpg.com do not like sandboxes and prefer linear games.
In other words, 731956 players is probably enough to give some value to the statistical data provided by mmorpg.com.
EvE still has those 30,000 people running on ONE server. EvE also doesn't play like a game thus why it has such a small community.
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
Eve fanbois all 15k of them on their little ONE server are like rabid little wolves when it comes to awards or any polls with that games name in it.Few people in the whole MMORPG genre even play that game but the very few that play it stick together like some extended family.
Bottom line is that when I hear about EVE winning something on here I take it with a grain of salt. When it starts winning game of the year on Spike TV, IGN, or some other gamming site then I will then start taking it serious. Since that means more then the 15k people on that one little server have taken notice of EVE.
You should take that grain of salt instead with spike or ign. those guys base their rewards and reviews on advertising revenue.
Dont forget it isnt just Eve that proves sandbox games are more popular with the mmo crowd. Clearly SWG was better as a sandbox mmo. It had 250k+ players in that format. As a linear game SWG has less than 50k.
Ive seen polls conducted here by mmorpg.com that overwhelmingly had sanbox the clear winner as well. Who wouldnt choose freedom over forced gameplay ?
SWG was a travesty when they pillaged it & changed it. IF it had been non sandbox fromt he beginning it'd of been popular regardless but the pillaging of people's hard work long after release is what killed it. Its funny how sandbox supporters totally ignore things that are facts like non sandbox games have millions of players in their champion game selection while popular sandbox games have 250k to 500k Max. Not to mention some people like to play a game...not make a game which is what SOME sandbox games are...lots of work. We work all day why should we do it in our off time too??
Both types of MMOs have merits and flaws, followers & haters there's no reason to tell Dev's to wake up or tell them your ignoring me. Designers & Dev's create what they want to create they're the ones that put blood sweat and tears into these projects we're just lucky they include our opinion on at all once they're deep into the development stage. Neither is better than the other...who wants to be forced to only play one type of game? I'd rather have variety and let the game speak for itself when its finished. If its sandbox and the gameplay is awsome then I'll play it, if its 'linear' and awsome I'll play it.
btw take poll's made here on MMORPG.com with a grain of salt. Anyone can make tons of accounts and vote over and over again, not to mention only a tiny portion of the real game community actually comes here.
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I totally agree - the results cannot be trusted as they reflect the opinions of a small, unrepresentative community of gamers. Also, as you said, EVE voters come out in droves to support their game, while people who play something like WoW do not.
The only vote that matters is the one we make with our money. Thousands of fanboys doing a mass vote to win some silly website award means nothing.
Just curious why you think MMORPG, with 700.000 registered members, is a small and unrepresentative portion of the MMORGP community?Do you know a source with a bigger and more representative community for MMORPG players?
If you are referring to WoWs playerbase then WoW is an exception. It was successful more for being a Blizzard game and less because it was a casual, linear, quest driven game. No other casual, linear, quest driven game even got close to the subscription numbers WoW got.
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40k people voted on the awards and how many voted for Eve?? Wasnt all 40k. lest just say it was a generous 20k
So this award means nothing except a few thousand people voted for it out of the hundreds of thousand acocunts here and the multiple millions of mmos players. So the fans here at this sited voted for it and a few thousand at that. We all know know this is a wow hating site, so that wont win it, so your award is already corrupted like most of this site.
Few people in the whole MMORPG genre even play that game but the very few that play it stick together like some extended family.
Bottom line is that when I hear about EVE winning something on here I take it with a grain of salt. When it starts winning game of the year on Spike TV, IGN, or some other gamming site then I will then start taking it serious. Since that means more then the 15k people on that one little server have taken notice of EVE.
and WoW fanbois are like Rabid monkeys when attacking any game that actually wins an award that thier game doesn't. Now I bet if WoW had won this award there would be a post that you or some other WoW monkey would make that went something like ... "See this is just another example that proves that WoW is the best MMO out there".
Yamota....those are not UNIQUE accounts. MMORPG does have alot of members but most of those accounts are most likely duplicates for when people get banned, forget their password, want to start a new account or people who start new accounts to cheat on polls which is actually really prevailent here.
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I think it's all the matter of the person's (player's) taste. Some people like free exploration, while some like structured gameplay. Personally I rather like being on a guided tour to enjoy all the major features and sights of the game.
The awards on this website means nothing, CCP, the developer of EVE, always asks it's players to vote for EVE online, making the polls very unbalanced and corrupt.
and why would developers follow a game with barely 200k subscribers when they can follow a game with 9 million subscribers? MMORPG players have all massively shown that they prefer WoW type gameplay. Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa both launched, Auto Assault closed down and Tabula Rasa doesn't really seem to be the cashcow NCsoft hoped it to be. Lotro on the other hand, a game that almost directly clones WoW to the point where they could be considered twins, is doing just fine and is apparently now the 2nd most popular North american MMORPG.
It's not really a surprise that developers have the mentality "Don't fix what isn't broke".
Eve Online has proved that sandbox games can be massively popular if done right and even SWG had alot of subscribers though it got off to a crap start and finish.
About SWG I played the beta and follow the game after release for a good 8 months while the game is interesting at first it became boring when I have to think long and hard about what to do next. Eventually I settled down to just putting down harvesters and solar generators everyday to harvest the resources and the go around collecting the harvested resources everyday, it eventually became too boring as a chore so I quit. While sandbox games has it's charm, it is NOT something everyone will enjoy.
I would hope for a game with a mixture of the two. Meaning there can be an immersive well planned out set of quests with a main, secondary and even tertiary stories + a sandbox. Make it so you can do all the quests OR just run around killing crap or being a trader or merchant of some kind, and allow us (the players) to decide the direction of the game. whatever game it is.
This is specious reasoning.
It doesn't mean that sandbox mmos are what players want but that the voters on this site like EVE. You should go into politics.
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This is specious reasoning.
It doesn't mean that sandbox mmos are what players want but that the voters on this site like EVE. You should go into politics.
The NGE making the game linear isn't why SWG lost its appeal to a lot of players what happened was they consolidated all the classes into specific archtypes and totally eliminated some of the classes/profession like the beast masters (tamer) class (that a lot of people has worked their ass off for) that is why many people quit the game. Were they to retain the professions and put structures like the various quests (instead of a terminal based quest system) I think a lot of people would still play it.
EVE is very successful. WoW is moreso. Both make tons of money. Once devs figure out that WoW is WoW they will need to move in a different direction. You can still make plenty of money with as few as 50k subscribers. Plenty of MMOs have done it, and many continue to do so.
Unfortuantely, it seems devs are too interested in getting a billion subscribers. Its aint gonna happen, fellas. That spot is filled for quite some time to come.
I remember back in 1998 an MMO is considered a success/thriving when it has 300-500 users concurrently online.
If putting down harvesters and collecting resources was seriously the only thing you could find to do then you weren't playing the game right. That was the beauty of the old SWG...you could do hundreds of things and they were all "valid" ways to play the game. If harvesting and collecting resources wasn't fun for you there were many, many other options available to you.
I had multiple accounts and they were all crafters and pilots. I had no interest at all in ground combat but my time spent crafting and running around in space was as worthwhile as the people who spent all their time doing ground combat.