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Hey warhammer WHERE is your black people at?
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Heres one for you maybe...just maybe it's a FANTASY game why then should and "race" get any special treatment or preference regarding facial features. I am curious do you feel that your race as a whole is not legitimized due to the fact that they are not represented beyond skin color in a video game. Of all the things i have heard this has got to be the most disturbing, what makes you or your race so special that they need preferential treatment in a video game and a fantasy based one at that? What about oriental or middle easterners? Do they get to come play in your little biased world and does it matter that much in a video game to have realistic representations of facial features, possibly i can see this in some genres but not a fantasy based game. Not saying that you should not be proud of your heritage but this argument seems a bit on the attention whore side of the line to me.
Hint: Warhammer Fantasy IP is not based on the Middle Ages. Warhammer Fantasy IP in regards to the Empire is based off the 16th century Renaissance Europe period.
*Kindly offers Doo some dip for the chip on his shoulder..*
Nah, cause I like racism in all it's many forms. Damned humans should be lynched.
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Lets not forget the Chaos Dwarves.....
OP, I understand what you mean. I'm white, and a little bit racist i'll admit. But I agree with you, there should be more racial options in games. I get tired of everyone being white. Don't really know, I just get tired of it because maybe I want more variety lol. But in some game universes, there are no black people. In some game universes, there are no mexican colored people, no asian-characteristics people, no nothings. That's just "that" universe. Don't feel alienated or bad about it, it's just staying true to the original idea of the universe.
Sure, they could add an african-type race or faction to the game, but if they just it out completely out of nowhere just to satisfy a population of gamers, it wouldn't stay "true" to the game. And lately alot of IP mmo's have come out that havent stayed "true" to it's original universe. I feel your pain about it and I understand, it's kind of shitty and liek "dude, the fuck is your problem, what would hurt about adding [insert race] into the game? honestly", but then the game would have been changed...
Don't be personally insulted by it, though. There are tons more game worlds that do incorporate tons of racial options besides the caucasian, young male. I hope you find a game that suits you and makes you feel comfortable :-)
Chaos Dwarves are based of a Persian motif. Tomb Kings off a Egyptian/Babylonian motif and yes they do have living decedents who they protect and fight for when a threat arises. The Numas kingdom are the Tomb King's living decedents and loyal subjects.
In regards to the question about what if the situation was such that only black models were available would there be an outcry from people wanting white models? Yes, from whiney people.
I said it once and I'll say it again, long as the gameplay is there, I care not what color the model is.
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Mexican is not a race it's a nationality. The correct racial term is Meztiso meaning someone of Spanish decent mixed with Native American. Of course Latino or Hispanic would also be correct but they are not accurate terms to use IMHO.
they werent invented yet
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I am not gonna read through all that, so I will just say that I don't see a reason to add a black race at all....
You can just change the color of your skin like everyone else does. Reguardless of wether you are black or not you are part of the HUMAN RACE, and the game selections do not say WHITE RACE HUMAN, they just say human and allow you to change the color of your skin to your preferance.
Also like mentioned, you can play vanguard if ethnic groups are that important to you, they have nearly all of them it seemed.
Doesnt the charecter creation enable you change skin tones, and if it does then you my friend can be the first black man in all of warhammwer history, wouldnt you be proud to do that !! I know i would be.
playing eq2 and two worlds
Well there's a black orc. They technically have black or very dark green skin.
I tried that one already...OP didnt like the idea of being a monster to be 'black'
you son of a bitch! nobody wants to know that u're racist. keep that shit to yourself. but other than the fact that you stated that you are "a little bit" racist, i agree.
I had to mention that there is no African race, nor Chinese race. All the humans on this earth are exactly that.... human.. Homo Sapiens. There is not specific genetic code that separates us. It is traits that were developed by evolution in various places for centuries.
I am sorry, but skin color does not equal race! The problem here is that in a fantasy world the ideas behind evolution that caused the differences in human skin color may not even exist. They are sticking to their own IP here. However I do feel that when customizing humans they should allow the option since alot of people do like to try to make a character they can identify with.
My 2 cents.
Heh, as a matter of fact it makes sense for most of the races to be racist - they actually mostly all are (or are just so opportunistic that they don't care, almost worse in its way).
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-Thomas Jefferson
For cryin' out loud there are a zillion MMO games that do not have traditional black people in them. Why target Warhammer of all games. The one game that has it's lore well established way back in the 1980s.
I am a black person and I will say I don't careabout having a specific black model in games. As long as a couple of options were made to change my skin tone I will be happy. Besides I'd rather play a white person who is crazy enough to practice demon arts and self suicide than degrade a black man to the role.
In fantansy MMO games the different races are mirrors of different real life cultures and races. In Lineage 2 the Orcs were literally 7 foot tall muscular back people. They even had cornrows. The Dreanai in warcraft are russian / german. Tauren are Indian. Orcs in WoW are black. They even have black voice actors to play the parts.
You need to realize in the real world the average, boring, standard is white and everything else is a variation to add more depth. If you really want to start seeing black people in MMO games, I suggest you get a damn good artist or business degree, make your own company or hijack an established one and push to make NON-ghetto games that feature black people in fantasy settings etc.
couldnt have said it better, and i tried....
C'mon now. When you guys say an Orc is black you think that thats suppose to satisfy what he is trying to get across to everybody? To me thats being sarcastic. Whatever man.
I agree with what he is saying. But you will never know how he really feels if your not African America (Black). All I can say Zoodoo is to live with it. Its just a game. If you feel so strongly about it then take your fight to the next level. Tell EA/mythic how you really feel.
That goes for every race also. Not just black. You talk louder when you are talking to them directly. If you just want to rant about it here you will get nowhere.
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What I don't understand is why this thread is getting so much attention. Some people like to have their avatar represent their real life selves. I personally don't, but it's completely understandable to me that some would. It may be a minor issue, and there may be good reasons to leave it the way it is, but this place gets dozens of less reasonable complaints that are ignored and forgotten. Why are people so defensive about this one topic?
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I had to mention that there is no African race, nor Chinese race. All the humans on this earth are exactly that.... human.. Homo Sapiens. There is not specific genetic code that separates us. It is traits that were developed by evolution in various places for centuries.
I am sorry, but skin color does not equal race! The problem here is that in a fantasy world the ideas behind evolution that caused the differences in human skin color may not even exist. They are sticking to their own IP here. However I do feel that when customizing humans they should allow the option since alot of people do like to try to make a character they can identify with.
My 2 cents.
I agree with this statement however have you all ever stoped and thought that mabie they have implimented a skin color chooser. Granted they havent mentioned it at all but every game seems to have it like a standard thing. also if your looking to the race thats just black well only two games have ever actually done that and I wouldnt say that every game should aslong as they put the skin color chooser in which as I said most do. Mabie instead of asking why you havent seen it ask is it there is that part of the charictor customization. Also just because a game doesnt feature a certain skin color or what ever does not make them racist its a fantasy world remember its not always gonna fully tie in with the real world.
Zoodoo I hate to say it but you're being racist.
You're promoting a double standard that one race gets special treatment over another race.
First of all, the whole point of the game is that IT IS NOT REALITY. That means that there doesn't need to be black people, there doesn't need to be frogs, there doesn't need to be strawberries. They made the game with WHATEVER THEY WANTED, and that's the way it is. If you don't like it, create your own fantasy setting and compete with them. In addition, everything they put in the game has to be approved by Games Workshop. They will not change their game setting which has been around for 25 years just to appease you. If they did, they would look like idiots saying "We changed our game to appease some upset black people". Not only that, but they would look like they're giving one group preferential treatment, and then they'd have to change their game for asian people, and white people, and jewish people, and so on. The whole idea of that is dumb.
Secondly, here's where you're being racist. You're promoting a double standard. You're saying that they have to have some "black warriors and mages" in the game. You want them to add a completely new set of models because you want your human to look a certain way? News flash, Games Workshop has set the way that humans look and they don't need to change it. So if you're all for adding a new model of human to make them look the way you think they should look, then you're all for changing the other models to what I want them to look like, right? What if I think all the Dwarves in the game should look like real life people with dwarfism? What if I think Orcs should have the option to look like LotR orcs, AND also an option to look like the EQ1 orcs? (I thought they were interesting). Oh and you should change elves to look like the keebler elves cause they make good cookies. So on and so forth. I highly doubt you think any of these are good ideas. They're not, and they'll never happen because those are the rules Games Workshop set down long before Warhammer was ever going to be an MMO.
You're being racist because your double standard ignores another group of people. We all get the same exact models, with the same options of skin-tone. You want something different, you want special treatment above everyone else. That is wrong. Right now we all get the same models. Witch-hunters have the same models. Marauders have the same models. Squig Herders have the same models. All people from empire have the same looks with different skin tones, all high elves have the same looks with different skin tones, etc. This is fair, this is equality. You get what everyone else gets. You wanting them to make a special case just for you is wrong.
Although it appears you are overly obsessed with race in other games, you have to remember that they're games. They're not reality. The whole point is that they are NOT like reality. Stop taking real life racial obsessions into a fantasy game, it's not healthy.
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