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Dwarven Beards Grow Longer As You Level - What Else Will Grow Longer In WAR?
rickastley
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What other features of each class do you think will grow longer / change as you level?
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I heard Orcs would grow physically larger as they level. Whether any of this will actually happen or whether it was just pre=development fluff is yet to be seen.
You know, that's the one reason I don't really care to play Dwarves, most games don't allow a beardless option, or at least a more styled short beard. They always have these huge heavy tassels lthat literally obscure your chestpiece in some cases (WOW).
I guess that's gaming lore/tradition, but I wish WAR would break the mold on this. But if beards are supposed to grow longer with progression then my guess is I won't get what I want. Oh well, lots of other races to play.
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Errr... Dwarves have been heavily bearded since freaking Norse mythology....
The only time I have ever heard of dwarves without beards was Dark Sun.
So your telling us that you don't want to play a traditional character class because they have said character classes iconic feature?
[/Satire]
In honor of your decision I will refuse to play an elf unless there is an option NOT TO HAVE POINTY EARS because sometimes the ears clip through the helms.
I guess its tradtion but I wish mythic would break the mold on this... Who's with me? Come on lets have a boycott on pointy ears!!
Next Stop: Startrek and Vulcans!
And after we do that we can boycott black people because they have melonan and don't sunburn like white people...... Wait... I am black.... err lets make that Hispanics then...
[/Satire off]
I know that was a bit heavy handed but come on... really you have a problem with beards?
You do know that both D&D and Warhammer Fantasy battle are pretty much responsible for the image of dwarves with beards in popular culture right?
They helped frigging create said image, you also know this right?
And the fact that in Warhammer lore for the last 25 years that the reason Elves and Dwarves don't like each other is because the elves shaved the beard off a Dwarf? And said war that happened was called the "War of the Beard?"
I know its just your opinion but don't you think its a tad bit unreasonable for Mythic/GW to break the mold and allow beardless dwarves, when for the past damn near 30 years they have basically made Dwarves/beards/beer synonomis ?
If they do make good on the growing feature I think it will be a neat addition. So not only can you tell by better armor/weapon graphics it will be obvious from the avatar itself.
Errr... Dwarves have been heavily bearded since freaking Norse mythology....
The only time I have ever heard of dwarves without beards was Dark Sun.
So your telling us that you don't want to play a traditional character class because they have said character classes iconic feature?
[/Satire]
In honor of your decision I will refuse to play an elf unless there is an option NOT TO HAVE POINTY EARS because sometimes the ears clip through the helms.
I guess its tradtion but I wish mythic would break the mold on this... Who's with me? Come on lets have a boycott on pointy ears!!
Next Stop: Startrek and Vulcans!
And after we do that we can boycott black people because they have melonan and don't sunburn like white people...... Wait... I am black.... err lets make that Hispanics then...
[/Satire off]
I know that was a bit heavy handed but come on... really you have a problem with beards?
You do know that both D&D and Warhammer Fantasy battle are pretty much responsible for the image of dwarves with beards in popular culture right?
They helped frigging create said image, you also know this right?
And the fact that in Warhammer lore for the last 25 years that the reason Elves and Dwarves don't like each other is because the elves shaved the beard off a Dwarf? And said war that happened was called the "War of the Beard?"
I know its just your opinion but don't you think its a tad bit unreasonable for Mythic/GW to break the mold and allow beardless dwarves, when for the past damn near 30 years they have basically made Dwarves/beards/beer synonomis ?
Whoa partner, slow down a minute, didn't realize I was attacking the beloved "lore" of Warhammer by requesting that Dwarf characters can be 'either' beardless or having short, stylized beards instead of the heavy locks we typically see.
But it would appear that perhaps my request for short, stylized beards is not outside the lore of the game, if these pictures I found are any indicator.
www.worldofwarhammer.ru/images/info/warhammer_dwarf_army.gif
I find both of these models to be acceptable, as long as they don't have those long tresses down the front completely obscuring their armor. Sort of like this fellow here:
media6.curse-gaming.com/media/resized_images/625x500/16243.jpg
Now truthfully, I'll play any class that's fun and I can excel at. I had a Dwarf Priest in WOW, and I put up with the silly locks because stats (fear ward) were more important than looks.
But I still maintain my preference to having short, stylized beards. Doesn't make me any more wrong than you, but it does mean I'm not as obsessed by the lore as you appear to be.
I don't even think beardless dwarves are a bad thing, hey, they could be rebels or outcasts from normal dwarven society. (its called roleplaying, right?)
But heavens, if having dwarves that don't fit your expectations will ruin your immersion, then by all means, lets not permit it.
I don't know if Mythic chose to permit stylized beards or not, I'll have to wait until I get in the game to find out.
edit: But remember one thing, Mythic is making the game, and it was in DAOC where I really cut my teeth on MMO's and they permitted beardless dwarves in DAOC.
img256.imageshack.us/img256/6444/sshot002ro0.jpg
Of course, this time around they are governed by the IP, so they might be limited in making this an option.
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Heh dwarves without beards would not ruin my immersionm, remember I mentioned Dark Sun and I loved that campaign setting.
I was just saying that your request seemed a bit ridiculous considering the fact it was Warhammer, it would be like asking for Elves without pointy ears.
Heck they have already broken Warhammer lore repeatedly for 40k, I was just saying that you wanted them to change an iconic racial feature thats been around for 30 year.
To me thats the same as asking for purple striped orks because you dont't like the color green.. it would pretty much change the IP
And I see from your last post that your not really into warhammer lore.. there is a class of outcast dwarves and they are called Troll Slayers, they basically run around naked with axes and attack the biggest thing they can find hoping that it kills them.
But being dwarves they still try to win the fight... and the reason these dwarves becaome slayers is for some act of lost honor... the most common of which is losing a beard (As in the War of the beard? See where I'm going with this?)Thats why they went to war, the diplomat was shaved by the elves and became a slayer, thus pissing off the Dwarven king.
What bothers me is that no one bothers to research the IP. This is not DOAC 2, you cant go by that MMO to judge Warhammer..
And I'm being serious.. If Mythic was doing a DND game on the Forgotten Realms, would you expect 10 foot halfling if they were in DAoC? Or red Drow if they had them in DAoC? Probably not.
That is my problem with your comment your basing a completely different IP and race off of a game with a completely different setting...
But what the hell do I know I am just some old geezer who has been playing Warhammer since he was 7..
Bring on the beardless Dwarves and Purple Striped orks... but if you did, it would not be Warhammer.. it would be another game....
Get my drift?
PS: And the crack about not fitting my expectations? Remember taht Warhammer is a Tabletop IP? Well there are NO beardless dwarf models...period: us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/dwarfs/background/default.htm
and
store.us.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.us,
Just like there are no female orc models (except the one that was made as a joke some 15 years ago).
Even in that article by GW it states that they NEVER EVER cut or trim their beards. Not even the outcast.
There is no such thing as a beardless dwarf unless they have been shaved against their will, not even the chaos dwarves go unshaven. Its a pretty standard feature of the IP...
If you don't believe me merely go to any Warhammer table top forum and ask about beardless dwarves... my reaction will seem tame, and next time check up on the IP before making judgements about it..
arent chaos also supposed to get more mutations too? and Ive been wondering what other races will get any ideas?
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Empire can't fight properly at the higher levels then. I mean their penis will be probably so long that it will be in the way, and even worse when you come across a sexy woman!
I'm an old geezer than never has played a Warhammer game, not even a single player version, nor do I give a whit about the lore of any game. So you are are correct, I did no research on the IP, nor am I likely to.
But for some reason, you continue to focus on beardless dwarves, and completely disregard my comments for dwarves with styilized or trimmed beards. They appear to exist, I posted a link that appears to support that dwarves do in fact, cut their beards. Unless of course that artwork is totally incorrect. if so please tell me, but don't continue to ignore 50% of my argument. i would be more than happy to have just the latter and not the former.
As for going to a Warhammer table top forum, not likely to happen, I play games which makes me a geek, but I'm never going down that road. (there are levels of geekdom, afterall, and I'm sort of a mini-geek I guess)
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Also, I think some class(es) will have skulls/trophies added to their armor as they progress through more battles. You never know though. Can't wait to see what they do with the character growth idea.
Errr... Dwarves have been heavily bearded since freaking Norse mythology....
The only time I have ever heard of dwarves without beards was Dark Sun.
So your telling us that you don't want to play a traditional character class because they have said character classes iconic feature?
[/Satire]
In honor of your decision I will refuse to play an elf unless there is an option NOT TO HAVE POINTY EARS because sometimes the ears clip through the helms.
I guess its tradtion but I wish mythic would break the mold on this... Who's with me? Come on lets have a boycott on pointy ears!!
Next Stop: Startrek and Vulcans!
And after we do that we can boycott black people because they have melonan and don't sunburn like white people...... Wait... I am black.... err lets make that Hispanics then...
[/Satire off]
I know that was a bit heavy handed but come on... really you have a problem with beards?
You do know that both D&D and Warhammer Fantasy battle are pretty much responsible for the image of dwarves with beards in popular culture right?
They helped frigging create said image, you also know this right?
And the fact that in Warhammer lore for the last 25 years that the reason Elves and Dwarves don't like each other is because the elves shaved the beard off a Dwarf? And said war that happened was called the "War of the Beard?"
I know its just your opinion but don't you think its a tad bit unreasonable for Mythic/GW to break the mold and allow beardless dwarves, when for the past damn near 30 years they have basically made Dwarves/beards/beer synonomis ?
Whoa partner, slow down a minute, didn't realize I was attacking the beloved "lore" of Warhammer by requesting that Dwarf characters can be 'either' beardless or having short, stylized beards instead of the heavy locks we typically see.
But it would appear that perhaps my request for short, stylized beards is not outside the lore of the game, if these pictures I found are any indicator.
www.worldofwarhammer.ru/images/info/warhammer_dwarf_army.gif
I find both of these models to be acceptable, as long as they don't have those long tresses down the front completely obscuring their armor. Sort of like this fellow here:
media6.curse-gaming.com/media/resized_images/625x500/16243.jpg
Now truthfully, I'll play any class that's fun and I can excel at. I had a Dwarf Priest in WOW, and I put up with the silly locks because stats (fear ward) were more important than looks.
But I still maintain my preference to having short, stylized beards. Doesn't make me any more wrong than you, but it does mean I'm not as obsessed by the lore as you appear to be.
I don't even think beardless dwarves are a bad thing, hey, they could be rebels or outcasts from normal dwarven society. (its called roleplaying, right?)
But heavens, if having dwarves that don't fit your expectations will ruin your immersion, then by all means, lets not permit it.
I don't know if Mythic chose to permit stylized beards or not, I'll have to wait until I get in the game to find out.
edit: But remember one thing, Mythic is making the game, and it was in DAOC where I really cut my teeth on MMO's and they permitted beardless dwarves in DAOC.
img256.imageshack.us/img256/6444/sshot002ro0.jpg
Of course, this time around they are governed by the IP, so they might be limited in making this an option.
First Picture : Those Be Younguns!
Second Picture : That Be a Beard Indeed!
Third Picture : That Be a Woman!
Chaos will see their codpieces grow longer
Shifty 360 had it right,
Those were young dwarves, that s why short beards.
I gave you two links about dwarves for Warhammer fantasy banner, both official. if you had read them I would not need to explain this.
See the short beards are only on young dwarves, they never ever ever ever cut them,.
Even Slayers dont cut their beards. I am sure they will have short styles in the game, but the beards will get longer. much, much ,much, longer.
And before I start sounding like some lore crazy idiot, you have to understand that beards are a BIG part of the dwarven character in 40k.
If you notice Orks always talk about how they are they biggest and the greenest. Dwarves always talk about there beards.
And honest to god i was not ignoring you but the articles I linked did give you all of the info, I really did not think it would be necessary to write that those were adolescent dwarves, gain the article I linked was official and did state that dwarves NEVER cut there beards. So it seemed kind of obvious to me that you would get the idea of why those beards were short...
Anyway the only reason I made a big deal about it was because well ingame it is a big hairy bearded deal.. as I said, unbearded dwarves just don't exist in Warhammer fantasy battle, there are no models in the last 30 years of tabletop of a beardless dwarf, not even as a joke....
And I should not have made a huge deal about it but like I said you may as well have said 'I really wish orks were pink with stripes"
Its not going to happen and its not even reasonable to ask it. And honestly for someone who spends so much time in a forum for a MMO, you would think you might be interested in the actual IP the game is based on. to each his own.
worse? wouldnt it become a weapon? Oo
dwarf with no beard willjust be a halfling.....its like sayig you want to play elf without the pointy ears.....
dark elf ftw
Actually Kyleran made a simple statement and you outright blew it up into something it wasnt. He doesnt like playing huge bearded dwarves. He also acknowledged that the reason most did though was because of lore. Sooo there are no beardless dwarves in WAR or short bearded ones for that matter ....end of story. He already said he would end up playing another race.
So was there really a need for the type of response he recieved form his first post? Ill tell ya what, no. Calm down , have a drink , a smoke or something ....
Another case of a lore junky gone wild
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maybe elves ears get longer and pointier
With the risk of having it cut off! I can only state that I wouldn't want to have it cut off, it probably hurts a lot. Would maybe consider using it as a gun.
Okay... so my 2 cents.
If I'm paying $15 a month and i want the option (OPTION) to play a dwarf with a short beard or 'no beard', then it should be an OPTION.
For all of you folks out there that want to play your dwarf with that floor-dragging broom of a chin-warmer, nobody is stopping you. That's your preference. Obviously the fictional history of the fictional race backs up the preference, too. Sobeit.
But seriously, why argue over this?
You should just agree. There is nothing wrong with asking for more options. It doesn't hurt anyone. You get what you want, they get what they want, and really... it keeps more people happy and playing the game.
Furthermore, it shoes that the WAR dev's will listen to their community and give them what they want.
As for the other points about elf's... the whole 'clipping' thing, where their ears are able to poke through metal or hard leather helm's... that should be fixed.
If any race was going to do away with 'pointy ears', the Elf would be the one to do it. Some of them are all about vanity. If they were to perceive 'pointy ears' as being an ugly feature... they'd probably crop them. Ask a dwarf, he'll tell you how vain elf's are.
Really though.. if this is a RPG and people want to play a character they can really 'get into' or identify with, then give them an option to customize them to their preference.
*listens to Big Brother*
"Yes, master, I agree. My independent thought has roundly been destroyed."
Seriously, though, what sort of half-baked argumentative tactic is this? "Just agree." Uh, no.
As you said yourself, this is an RPG - we are playing the role of Dwarfs in the Warhammer universe, not your universe. Dwarfs have beards, no exceptions.
but warhammer fans wont be happy....
OK, a couple of things. First, I did not click your links in your 2nd post, because as I'm posting from my work PC its generally a bad idea for me to open links to sites I'm not familiar with. (we have a very strict firewall, which pops up lots of scary warnings if you go to the wrong site)
But heck, I just took a chance, and read the lore you provided, and yes, I do see where they make it quite clear that dwarves don't cut their beards.
Though I also took a look at the game pieces, and it seems to me that the dwarf standing on the top of this group has, in fact, a short stylized beard.
store.us.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.us
Now, that might be a young dwarf as you guys have said, but I didn't read anything in the lore you provided that made that distinction. Even so, give me an option to play a young dwarf then, I'm flexible.
Also, no matter how you look at it, this first picture I posted clearly looks like these dwarves cut their beards.
www.worldofwarhammer.ru/images/info/warhammer_dwarf_army.gif
Once again, I'll retract one of my earlier statements. I won't ask for any dwarves to be beardless.
As for my interest in these forums, yes, I enjoy hearing myself talk (or type) and reading what other folks have to say. I've never been a fan of any game's lore, I play them to explore and kill stuff, and that's pretty much it.
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Ok, I do not play warhammer in the beta or anything, But as a huge fan of mythic and DAoC I will play this game on release as it is the next game I am waiting for.
This is in regards to the beard thing tho, and several things posted about it.
Mythic should not make any exceptions to a games lore or history for the sake of subs. It is bad practice and just bad in general. It is good to give players options, but not at the expense of destroying a vital part of an IP.
We see it has already been established that dwarves beards will grow within the game. So the question asking for then to offer "short stylized" beards is already in the not gonna happen pile. Even if they did allow you to make a "stylized beard" on character creation. At max level and several battles behind you later, the beard will be dragging the floor and covering up your armor anyway.
Best suggestion is just play another race that you have less issues with.
Seriously tho, To the guy that was trying to explain the lore to other who wanted short beards. He was basically trying to get the point across to you that beardless or short beard dwarves have little to no place within the warhammer lore except to show thier young age. ie. short beards. I do not see anything that leads me to believe he went over the top or anything. He was just trying to help someone understand. I think he did a good job of doing so.
Warhammer is just that Wahammer, it was designed and based on a tabletop genre of games and the lore and legends behind it. Just as WoW is deep in it's own lore, so is warhammer.
Do not ask them to break away from that to appease someone, hell anyone just for the sake of options. I would rather stay true to a games core, than sell out just for 1 extra sub a month.