AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Whats worst for me is the video in question in this thread is the "Choice" parts from alot of footage, meaning they picked out the best they could and it still disappoints so far.
Whats worst for me is the video in question in this thread is the "Choice" parts from alot of footage, meaning they picked out the best they could and it still disappoints so far.
your kidding right? like the AoC has shown the parts of the game which are not "choice"
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by miagisan
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Whats worst for me is the video in question in this thread is the "Choice" parts from alot of footage, meaning they picked out the best they could and it still disappoints so far.
your kidding right? like the AoC has shown the parts of the game which are not "choice"
Funcom just flew out 17 press guys expenses paid to their offices and said point your camera's where you want no NDA.
Its a little more than concept art updates and choice cuts from hours of footage or whatever, Barnett said.
So in that regard it still disappoints to me from what was shown.
ok....so on the opposite end...wheres the seige videos of AoC showing how gameplay with player characters (non NPCS) showing how well the engine will run under stress? Where's the finalized female customization videos? where's any player content player video that includes more than 2 on 2? AoC to me looks very cool....but until i see how the engine works under stress...all i can beleive it is not a "choice" portion of the game
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by miagisan
ok....so on the opposite end...wheres the seige videos of AoC showing how gameplay with player characters (non NPCS) showing how well the engine will run under stress? Where's the finalized female customization videos? where's any player content player video that includes more than 2 on 2? AoC to me looks very cool....but until i see how the engine works under stress...all i can beleive it is not a "choice" portion of the game
Check the community event footage.
Everything is there apart from finalised female creation screens, stress test video are due out very soon, considering PVP stress testing is ongoing and still NDA. Again player made content video is NDA, but there are 4 on 4 videos out there. They said when they are ready they will show it, not we have hours of footage this is all your getting statement. There is a difference.
ahhh yes 4 on 4///so much more realistic of how the engine is going to handle large mass of players.
I have pretty much lost hope with AoC...between crafting and raiding...i am losing hope for 2008...WAR's RvR is the only thing letting me hold on until they release crafting info...but i think for me..personally....this year might be a bust (/still hopes for Bioware)
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by miagisan
ahhh yes 4 on 4///so much more realistic of how the engine is going to handle large mass of players. I have pretty much lost hope with AoC...between crafting and raiding...i am losing hope for 2008...WAR's RvR is the only thing letting me hold on until they release crafting info...but i think for me..personally....this year might be a bust (/still hopes for Bioware)
No need to change the subject, the subject wasnt about stress testing. The subject you quoted me on was about "choice" footage. I didn't think the choice footage here was that great, sorry about that. I just thought they would of had better stuff to show. Dont expect much in the crafting for either game. For me, my guild have an area in War now, im just trying to fathom whats so exciting, so im trying my best to get imersed in what actual footage they are showing right now.
There just seems to be something missing in this vid. The colours seem a little bland (and you can't really argue that they're supposed to be 'realistic' in a world of caricatured fantasy creatures) and the combat seems very static. I don't know if this is some kind of ironic nod to the stationary positioning and strategy of the tabletop game but I would have hoped for a little more movement in the combat (or any in fact!)
I'm not a great fan of WoW pvp but even that has a more frenetic feel (LOS, ranged, moving behind target etc.) I'm not here to bash a Beta and I fully intend to buy the game to at least give it a shot as I loved the tabletop game as a kid but I really hope they make the RvR a little more exciting.
So did you see the testing of the PVP stuff than? You said they let you have free run of the place, where's the footage of what beta looks like RIGHT NOW? They showed you enough stuff of what they have internally, but I'm just as interested in what the beta players are dabbling in.
And you should get your facts straight before you say stuff. Paul said there was only a half hour's worth of stuff that he cut. Not even an hour's worth of footage, and that thrown together to for some corporate people. Plus, they showed us an internal meeting. I think that's pretty cool of them.
And I've seen the community footage. Everything there should have been talked about weeks if not months ago. You guys were damage control for months of lack of info and the delay announcement. (Yes, I do indeed have a foil hat. And no, I don't wear it shiny side up, that's what they want you think!)
I'm not a great fan of WoW pvp but even that has a more frenetic feel (LOS, ranged, moving behind target etc.) I'm not here to bash a Beta and I fully intend to buy the game to at least give it a shot as I loved the tabletop game as a kid but I really hope they make the RvR a little more exciting.
Uh... the "lack of frenetic feel from moving around behind the target, etc." is easily explained away by the fact that these were just internal testers not even trying to fight. It has nothing to do with the technical aspects of the game.
Whats worst for me is the video in question in this thread is the "Choice" parts from alot of footage, meaning they picked out the best they could and it still disappoints so far.
and does the AoC fanboi feel insecure about AoC so they need to troll the WAR forum to make themselve feel better? I saw all ur AoC videos and they all look like crap to me so whats ur point anyway?
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by Satarious
Originally posted by Zayne3145
I'm not a great fan of WoW pvp but even that has a more frenetic feel (LOS, ranged, moving behind target etc.) I'm not here to bash a Beta and I fully intend to buy the game to at least give it a shot as I loved the tabletop game as a kid but I really hope they make the RvR a little more exciting.
Uh... the "lack of frenetic feel from moving around behind the target, etc." is easily explained away by the fact that these were just internal testers not even trying to fight. It has nothing to do with the technical aspects of the game.
Barnett says its 1 min of footage (from 30 mins (i got it wrong) ) of
"Super Cool stuff from our game with people bashing each other, its NOT video footage of an RvR fight, because everyone would be throwing around spells and jumping around like lunatics... What it is is a minutes worth of glory, enjoy the clip.."
So how do you figure:
1. they were internal testers not trying to fight?
2. That it looked "Super Cool"
3. Its not RvR your thread title is wrong
4. Does this mean from what Barnett says we are to expect the bunny hoping to come with RvR footage?
5. Where's the glory
6. Someone point out to me and the other people what looks so great? The character models? ok they look like they have come on a bit and are shaping up nicely. The landscape? That too is coming along nicely. The fighting? Urmm way slow - you know what you get your reflexes tested at the doc's and he hits your knee with the little hammer, and your meant to flex your leg out, its like that but nothing happens for 1 minute.
Sorry im trying to get involved to see what the fuss is about, trying to make an effort to watch for exciting gameplay and I cant quite see it yet.
Originally posted by Honeymoon69
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Whats worst for me is the video in question in this thread is the "Choice" parts from alot of footage, meaning they picked out the best they could and it still disappoints so far.
and does the AoC fanboi feel insecure about AoC so they need to troll the WAR forum to make themselve feel better? I saw all ur AoC videos and they all look like crap to me so whats ur point anyway?
If you want to single me out from the other people who felt the video wasnt great so be it. Did you post on the WoW BG thread yet? I wasnt even there I can see how you might think im an easy target. Sorry for being vocal with my disatification. Was you embaressed by the footage? guess so, but your hostility doesn't mask it well...
Oh btw I think it was in the summer I posted I got into Beta for warhammer
I remember seeing a video of AOC siege where they were shooting trbes at some walls all i could think was god this reminds me of an arcade game like asteroids shooting down from the sky to me looked cheesy and lame but hey for each their own.
1. If you had watched that vid, I mean the whole vid, Paul said in the other video that the whole thing was choreographed. Everyone in that video was being told what to do and when.
2. You and many others didn't think it looked cool. Big whoop, if you don't think it's cool, we're not here to convince you otherwise.
3. Wow.... I can't believe you actually said this.
4. So he Paul should watch every word he says? Hey why don't we take apart every word Gaute says and see if we can't twist his words.
5. Look at 2. And possible 3.
6. Umm, look at 5.
If you don't see why we like the video, it's not our problem is it? This is the WAR boards after all.
Whats worst for me is the video in question in this thread is the "Choice" parts from alot of footage, meaning they picked out the best they could and it still disappoints so far.
What's worse for me is to think that you believe anyone gonna care about remarks from you. Your opinions are so 1 sided , not objective at all. You think everything but AoC looks like crap.
Most of aoc videos i've look at are not very good IMO . Like that "siege" one where a bunch of badly rendered npc where lagging badly and seem to have pretty crappy FPS. And since you seem to think thoses are good , I don't know if you can properly evaluate WAR videos.
But everyone can have there own opinions. Just don't think you are having a effect in denting our fanbase population ( weak attempt to recruit for aoc i suppose) . Players have been following the graphic/gameplay evolution of this game and seem pretty satisfied with it. I guess 500k+ beta applicants just like bad games...whatever.
I wouldent judge this game after a 1min movie cause the movie was not of the highest quality, hell it was barely low quality you saw how corny and when there were a few more char on screen you saw pixles everywhere.
Il keep my hopes high even if they send out a low quality video when they show us how RvR looks like.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by Sk@ven
I wouldent judge this game after a 1min movie cause the movie was not of the highest quality, hell it was barely low quality you saw how corny and when there were a few more char on screen you saw pixles everywhere. Il keep my hopes high even if they send out a low quality video when they show us how RvR looks like.
Personally im not judging the game on this video, its a shame other jump down my throat because I have an AoC sig, and say im kinda not getting the whole "feel" for the game. When im trying to. Im being objective, I know its not complete. Shame people lack common courtiousness here. Can I not have an opinon?
Sorry for pointing out its not RvR btw.
@ Whiskey - you got it ALL wrong mate. IT's about nothing you posted, but its ok if you dont want to talk about why or anyone else was disapointed and side step it to make things up. Try looking at the past year of posts ive made, I have given praise to war before you know! You assumptions are WAY off base.
@ guy above whiskey, I didnt misquote go listen again. cheers!
I have an odd question Avery. If you're actually in the beta for WAR, why do you bother commenting on the videos? You should know better than almost everyone here what the game actually is at this point. And if you are in the beta, mind lending me your account?
And if you are in the beta, mind lending me your account?
Lol! You have a great point there. The demand to get into WAR beta is so great, it's a little like winning that gold ticket in your Wonka bar to the Willy Wonka factory.
It's ok for folks to be objective, but being overly pessimistic is counter-productive.
you all understand these lil Beta videos are just very very very basic all around? It's not even suppose to support in game mechanics really, it's just a basic preview.
Look, WoW Beta.. Players standing there.. Swinging slow... Not looking pretty.. Anyone who's played WoW knows it's gameplay combat isn't quite that slow and dull.
And look you got like all these people around 1 mob and stuff. Look at 3 people around the tiger.. Makes it looks like you need to group up for everyitng like EQ was.. We also obviously know WoW wasn't like that at all.. People look way into these little promo videos imo.
Same thing, these videos are just a basic promo and obviously not promoting polish or in game play at all. Just a real basic feel.
man everyone is just standing still trading blows.
might be still a good game tho. Too bad they dont place more important on player movement and tactics. Like standing out in the open is death when you got archers and Mages about. Warriors should have their shields raised to deflect arrows. Mages will be needed to help shield the Warriors from magic assaults.
Anyway the Evil faction looks cool though. I like the looks of Chaos faction I do. The art direction isd very nice. They have very nice features. It just doesnt seem to innovate mmorpg combat but hopefully it'll provide some nice RvR. Will be nice to attack a city and actually be able to take control.
Should be good as long as they get that right (city sieges and impact)
Most footage right now is by people who are playing for the first time. Even the most boring PvP there is more moving around than that. But the verry first time you pick up a game your not focusing on PvP tactics ect, your getting used to the play.
Originally posted by Pheace I know why it looks like Daoc!
It's because everyone's standing still when they fight!
(explained why in the other video though lol)
I'm curious what reason was given why they stand still like that? Just curious I'm not trying to be negative or anything. I have not been keeping up with WAR much at all nor have I played DAoC
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Whats worst for me is the video in question in this thread is the "Choice" parts from alot of footage, meaning they picked out the best they could and it still disappoints so far.
your kidding right? like the AoC has shown the parts of the game which are not "choice"
your kidding right? like the AoC has shown the parts of the game which are not "choice"
Funcom just flew out 17 press guys expenses paid to their offices and said point your camera's where you want no NDA.
Its a little more than concept art updates and choice cuts from hours of footage or whatever, Barnett said.
So in that regard it still disappoints to me from what was shown.
ok....so on the opposite end...wheres the seige videos of AoC showing how gameplay with player characters (non NPCS) showing how well the engine will run under stress? Where's the finalized female customization videos? where's any player content player video that includes more than 2 on 2? AoC to me looks very cool....but until i see how the engine works under stress...all i can beleive it is not a "choice" portion of the game
Everything is there apart from finalised female creation screens, stress test video are due out very soon, considering PVP stress testing is ongoing and still NDA. Again player made content video is NDA, but there are 4 on 4 videos out there. They said when they are ready they will show it, not we have hours of footage this is all your getting statement. There is a difference.
ahhh yes 4 on 4///so much more realistic of how the engine is going to handle large mass of players.
I have pretty much lost hope with AoC...between crafting and raiding...i am losing hope for 2008...WAR's RvR is the only thing letting me hold on until they release crafting info...but i think for me..personally....this year might be a bust (/still hopes for Bioware)
No need to change the subject, the subject wasnt about stress testing. The subject you quoted me on was about "choice" footage. I didn't think the choice footage here was that great, sorry about that. I just thought they would of had better stuff to show. Dont expect much in the crafting for either game. For me, my guild have an area in War now, im just trying to fathom whats so exciting, so im trying my best to get imersed in what actual footage they are showing right now.
oh and you brought AoC into the thread not me
There just seems to be something missing in this vid. The colours seem a little bland (and you can't really argue that they're supposed to be 'realistic' in a world of caricatured fantasy creatures) and the combat seems very static. I don't know if this is some kind of ironic nod to the stationary positioning and strategy of the tabletop game but I would have hoped for a little more movement in the combat (or any in fact!)
I'm not a great fan of WoW pvp but even that has a more frenetic feel (LOS, ranged, moving behind target etc.) I'm not here to bash a Beta and I fully intend to buy the game to at least give it a shot as I loved the tabletop game as a kid but I really hope they make the RvR a little more exciting.
So did you see the testing of the PVP stuff than? You said they let you have free run of the place, where's the footage of what beta looks like RIGHT NOW? They showed you enough stuff of what they have internally, but I'm just as interested in what the beta players are dabbling in.
And you should get your facts straight before you say stuff. Paul said there was only a half hour's worth of stuff that he cut. Not even an hour's worth of footage, and that thrown together to for some corporate people. Plus, they showed us an internal meeting. I think that's pretty cool of them.
And I've seen the community footage. Everything there should have been talked about weeks if not months ago. You guys were damage control for months of lack of info and the delay announcement. (Yes, I do indeed have a foil hat. And no, I don't wear it shiny side up, that's what they want you think!)
Uh... the "lack of frenetic feel from moving around behind the target, etc." is easily explained away by the fact that these were just internal testers not even trying to fight. It has nothing to do with the technical aspects of the game.
and does the AoC fanboi feel insecure about AoC so they need to troll the WAR forum to make themselve feel better? I saw all ur AoC videos and they all look like crap to me so whats ur point anyway?
Uh... the "lack of frenetic feel from moving around behind the target, etc." is easily explained away by the fact that these were just internal testers not even trying to fight. It has nothing to do with the technical aspects of the game.
Barnett says its 1 min of footage (from 30 mins (i got it wrong) ) of
"Super Cool stuff from our game with people bashing each other, its NOT video footage of an RvR fight, because everyone would be throwing around spells and jumping around like lunatics... What it is is a minutes worth of glory, enjoy the clip.."
So how do you figure:
1. they were internal testers not trying to fight?
2. That it looked "Super Cool"
3. Its not RvR your thread title is wrong
4. Does this mean from what Barnett says we are to expect the bunny hoping to come with RvR footage?
5. Where's the glory
6. Someone point out to me and the other people what looks so great? The character models? ok they look like they have come on a bit and are shaping up nicely. The landscape? That too is coming along nicely. The fighting? Urmm way slow - you know what you get your reflexes tested at the doc's and he hits your knee with the little hammer, and your meant to flex your leg out, its like that but nothing happens for 1 minute.
Sorry im trying to get involved to see what the fuss is about, trying to make an effort to watch for exciting gameplay and I cant quite see it yet.
and does the AoC fanboi feel insecure about AoC so they need to troll the WAR forum to make themselve feel better? I saw all ur AoC videos and they all look like crap to me so whats ur point anyway?
If you want to single me out from the other people who felt the video wasnt great so be it. Did you post on the WoW BG thread yet? I wasnt even there
I can see how you might think im an easy target. Sorry for being vocal with my disatification. Was you embaressed by the footage? guess so, but your hostility doesn't mask it well...
Oh btw I think it was in the summer I posted I got into Beta for warhammer
I can understand but compared to any AOC vids which makes me so unexcited it s great.
I remember seeing a video of AOC siege where they were shooting trbes at some walls all i could think was god this reminds me of an arcade game like asteroids shooting down from the sky to me looked cheesy and lame but hey for each their own.
1. If you had watched that vid, I mean the whole vid, Paul said in the other video that the whole thing was choreographed. Everyone in that video was being told what to do and when.
2. You and many others didn't think it looked cool. Big whoop, if you don't think it's cool, we're not here to convince you otherwise.
3. Wow.... I can't believe you actually said this.
4. So he Paul should watch every word he says? Hey why don't we take apart every word Gaute says and see if we can't twist his words.
5. Look at 2. And possible 3.
6. Umm, look at 5.
If you don't see why we like the video, it's not our problem is it? This is the WAR boards after all.
What's worse for me is to think that you believe anyone gonna care about remarks from you. Your opinions are so 1 sided , not objective at all. You think everything but AoC looks like crap.
Most of aoc videos i've look at are not very good IMO . Like that "siege" one where a bunch of badly rendered npc where lagging badly and seem to have pretty crappy FPS. And since you seem to think thoses are good , I don't know if you can properly evaluate WAR videos.
But everyone can have there own opinions. Just don't think you are having a effect in denting our fanbase population ( weak attempt to recruit for aoc i suppose) . Players have been following the graphic/gameplay evolution of this game and seem pretty satisfied with it. I guess 500k+ beta applicants just like bad games...whatever.
Cheers!
Wj
http://revolutionwar.guildlaunch.com/
I wouldent judge this game after a 1min movie cause the movie was not of the highest quality, hell it was barely low quality you saw how corny and when there were a few more char on screen you saw pixles everywhere.
Il keep my hopes high even if they send out a low quality video when they show us how RvR looks like.
Personally im not judging the game on this video, its a shame other jump down my throat because I have an AoC sig, and say im kinda not getting the whole "feel" for the game. When im trying to. Im being objective, I know its not complete. Shame people lack common courtiousness here. Can I not have an opinon?
Sorry for pointing out its not RvR btw.
@ Whiskey - you got it ALL wrong mate. IT's about nothing you posted, but its ok if you dont want to talk about why or anyone else was disapointed and side step it to make things up. Try looking at the past year of posts ive made, I have given praise to war before you know! You assumptions are WAY off base.
@ guy above whiskey, I didnt misquote go listen again. cheers!
I think these vids represent Warhammers universe in a better tone , drinsum does a great job. side not i got this from someone else on this forum.
I have an odd question Avery. If you're actually in the beta for WAR, why do you bother commenting on the videos? You should know better than almost everyone here what the game actually is at this point. And if you are in the beta, mind lending me your account?
Lol! You have a great point there. The demand to get into WAR beta is so great, it's a little like winning that gold ticket in your Wonka bar to the Willy Wonka factory.
It's ok for folks to be objective, but being overly pessimistic is counter-productive.
Man...
you all understand these lil Beta videos are just very very very basic all around? It's not even suppose to support in game mechanics really, it's just a basic preview.
Look at this.. WoW Beta video that Blizz made.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VmOzOQwsk_Q
Look, WoW Beta.. Players standing there.. Swinging slow... Not looking pretty.. Anyone who's played WoW knows it's gameplay combat isn't quite that slow and dull.
And look you got like all these people around 1 mob and stuff. Look at 3 people around the tiger.. Makes it looks like you need to group up for everyitng like EQ was.. We also obviously know WoW wasn't like that at all.. People look way into these little promo videos imo.
Same thing, these videos are just a basic promo and obviously not promoting polish or in game play at all. Just a real basic feel.
man everyone is just standing still trading blows.
might be still a good game tho. Too bad they dont place more important on player movement and tactics. Like standing out in the open is death when you got archers and Mages about. Warriors should have their shields raised to deflect arrows. Mages will be needed to help shield the Warriors from magic assaults.
Anyway the Evil faction looks cool though. I like the looks of Chaos faction I do. The art direction isd very nice. They have very nice features. It just doesnt seem to innovate mmorpg combat but hopefully it'll provide some nice RvR. Will be nice to attack a city and actually be able to take control.
Should be good as long as they get that right (city sieges and impact)
Most footage right now is by people who are playing for the first time. Even the most boring PvP there is more moving around than that. But the verry first time you pick up a game your not focusing on PvP tactics ect, your getting used to the play.
I'm curious what reason was given why they stand still like that? Just curious I'm not trying to be negative or anything. I have not been keeping up with WAR much at all nor have I played DAoC