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1 year is Vanguard the biggest turkey in mmorpg history what now ?
googajoob7
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vanguard started out with such promise but ended up being one of the most maligned games in mmorpg history if not gaming history period . what can be done after a year and an ever decreasing subs ,
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with WaR and AoC about to be released...i think its doomed.
but would nt the leftovers be great in a sandwhich ????
i think ur right...
WAR and AoC won't even put a ding in Vanguard's numbers. Completely different games, completely different market segments. Those two are aimed squarely at the WoW gamer, and even those folks will be out looking for something new in 2-3 months.
Whatever else might be said about Vanguard- the people who like it REALLY like it, and are in it for the long haul if they're come this far.
Bite me, Turbine.
Yah the people who say WAR and AOC will effect Vanguard dont know anything about what type of gamers them 2 games are targeting. They are going after the WOW players and PVP players nto PVE player type games.
Also your comment ever decreasing subs isnt right at all. The servers are busy and people are playing. The Vanguard numbers are more realistic then EQ subs. I got 1 vanguard account active, but 15 EQ accounts active. I know several hundred people with over 5 accounts each in EQ. How many people do you really think play EQ ? Or WOW for that matter. WOW is at 10 mil subs but how many of them have 5 accounts.
Yeh the only thing WOW and AOC wont be taking any potential players away cause noone wants to play this game anymore other than the fanbois who alreayd play it. However I think they wont help population seeing as you can't really play 2 mmorpgs at once and be dedicated while having a life, so i reckon if they're any good they'll take a few players away. Lets be hoenst people are only playing Vanguard cause theres nothing else out atm.
One could argue that Vanguards new focus is also targeting the WoW audience.
Also, it isn't like people who are playing Vanguard are so married to it that they would never consider any other game. There just isn't that much good out right now which is the only thing that makes the game attractive. If Vanguard continues the snails crawl pace of releasing content then it will be very vulnerable to the new games and even old games releasing new expansions.
u are probably right, but they wont get more peeps aswell
Vanguard is primarily PvE. Correct me if I am wrong but both WAR and AoC are primarily focused on PvP. Therefore I dont think these games will have that much of an impact.
I also heard rumors that these games will need a gaming rig with more horse power than what Vanguard requires.
Can you tell me what conditon these games will be released in?
You speculate and assume that these games will be better than VG.
New people are not coming to VG, but the game is not "doomed." I personally expect the game to have another couple years in it, merely through subs and station access. The people who said the AoC and War won't effect numbers much are correct, although I expect many to try at least one of the two games out and return. VG is where I personally go to get my fantasy mmorpg playing in, I find it the most fun and least crowded with stereotypical WoW players. I do have a station pass though, and that allows me to float around as I see fit. If SOE continues to improve the game and not start their typical "expansion pack" marketing scheme, I will probably stick with VG over EQ or EQ2.
i think its fine, and sub will grow little by little, couze that 1 year really helped out, alot of buggs fixed. Its just bad release, they had no choise, just to release it, couze they ran out of money...
Btw i play Vanguard now, couze six of wow, i whant something more deep, then guarding orggimar, after you hit 70, and finish kara. If you whant end game in wow, you practicly have to have no life. And to be honest 25man raids, are not fun......
And i dont expect conan to come from the oven shine, and bugg free....WoW ... EvE.... EQ.... when they all came out, they scked big one, now look at em....Same Vanguard, just give it some time
Btw i see alot of poeple coming back after 1 year now... And some new faces showing up. So its defenetly NOT DOOMED!
The trolls keep trolling while Vanguard continues to improve and the populations continue to rise.
VG was a major disappointment to be sure, but let's not over-exaggerate. Its not nearly the failure that some other games turned out to be, such as Horizons, DnL, AC2, Auto-Assault etc.
It has a loyal following, financial support from SOE, and will continue on into the future.
Part of the perception surrounding the magnitude of its failure is the overly optimistic expectations everyone had surrounding it.
WAR and AOC will suffer from those same expectations, and so will be slammed if they don't live up to them.
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Vanguard is actually a decent game atm. It isnt what it was hyped to be by far, but with the financial support of SOE and the fact they are improving the game it is far from doomed. I figure once EQ is dead they will move to Vanguard.
Can you tell me what conditon these games will be released in?
You speculate and assume that these games will be better than VG.
This isn't about your post, but I love how you say your semi retired from WOW. That has to be the best description I have ever seen for almost every player that leaves WOW. Also, people believe they will be better because SOE isn't involved and they seem to be delaying the games to make them better. Also, VG beta had alot more people calling Shenanigans on it.
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Vanguard is primarily PvE. Correct me if I am wrong but both WAR and AoC are primarily focused on PvP. Therefore I dont think these games will have that much of an impact.
I also heard rumors that these games will need a gaming rig with more horse power than what Vanguard requires.
nether AoC or WAR will need someone with a better rig to play them compared to VG,To get Vg to run anywhere near playable took a really decent rig and a very good 1 to make it look nice as well as almost playable.I played vanguard soon after release then returned at Christmas time for a couple of weeks and as far as european servers it was very very quiet indeed,The gameplay had improved alittle but still pretty unplayable at times,Sorry whatever VG was going to do in the MMO world it has already done it....
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Vanguard will be around for quite awhile I think, since its on station access. I think they will have little updates now and again how they are making improvements to the game, but for the most part it will be too little too late. Unless they can solve the inconsistency issues of performance this game will never gain ground.
Yeah, some people say the game runs fine for them. A lot of people this game doesn't run so well, even after the supposed optimizations. I have a decent rig and the game still is very inconsistent in its performance, even when I am solo.
What I would like to see is maybe the game scrapped, and the art assets put into a brand new game with an engine that runs well. Make one world, but smaller, and have more content packed into that world. You could go the hardcore or casual route, but main thing is performance and playability should be the main focus. That way when you get into groups or raids it doesn't become a slide show.
Vanguard is primarily PvE. Correct me if I am wrong but both WAR and AoC are primarily focused on PvP. Therefore I dont think these games will have that much of an impact.
I also heard rumors that these games will need a gaming rig with more horse power than what Vanguard requires.
nether AoC or WAR will need someone with a better rig to play them compared to VG,To get Vg to run anywhere near playable took a really decent rig and a very good 1 to make it look nice as well as almost playable.I played vanguard soon after release then returned at Christmas time for a couple of weeks and as far as european servers it was very very quiet indeed,The gameplay had improved alittle but still pretty unplayable at times,Sorry whatever VG was going to do in the MMO world it has already done it....
OK.. I stand corrected. It will need a rig as good as VG. But all the ppl complaining about there performance with VG might not get better performance with these games.From Vanguard Site:
http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=7544
MINIMUM SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS
• Windows® 2000/XP/Vista
• 100% DirectX 9.0c compatible computer
• 100% DirectX compatible keyboard or input device
• 2.4 GHz Intel processor OR 2400+ or higher model AMD processor
• 512 MB RAM
• Vertex and Pixel shader 2.0 compatible hardware with 128MB of texture memory
• 100%DirectX compatible sound card
• 56K + Internet Connection
• 16X Speed DVD-ROM
• 20 Gigabytes Hard Drive Space
RECOMMENDED SPECS
• Windows® 2000/XP/Vista
• 100% DirectX 9.0c compatible computer
• 100% DirectX compatible keyboard or input device
• 3.0 GHz Intel OR 3500+ AMD processor
• 2 GB RAM
• Vertex and Pixel shader 2.0 compatible hardware with 256MB of texture memory
• DirectSound/OpenAL compatible audio hardware
• Broadband Internet Connection
• 16X Speed DVD-ROM
• 20 Gigabytes Hard Drive Space
From AOC WebSite:
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=5292
System requirements?
The game is designed to work with Windows Vista and its DirectX 10, but those systems (while they boost topend performance) are not required. A recent FC interview stated that AoC's current minimum requirements are "roughly 3 ghz P4 (or equivalent), ATI 9800 / NVidia 5700 and around 1 gig memory", it went on to mention they were working to lower memory requirements
From Unoffial WAR site:
http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21991
CPU:
Intel Pentium 4: 2.2ghz or better
AMD Athlon: 2.0ghz or better
Via C7: 2.2ghz or better
RAM:
1GB minimum
2GB recommended
Hard Drive Space:
Have at least 7GB free, possibly more.
(I will update these as more information becomes available.)
Operating System:
Windows XP or Windows Vista
Vanguards minimum required specs are a complete lie....
Vanguard will not run in 512mb or at least not without stripping the machine down to bare metal and even then I don't believe it would be playable without swaping.
Disk space requirements are a bit over 20gb. My vg folder is currently 31gb.
Now that includes some ui mods and log files and stuff that has accumulated since the game launched.
video card memory of 128 I find it hard to believe that VG would be playable with that small vid mem.
I'd say that AoC's specs would be quite good for VG and that today VG doesn't need 2gb at all except maybe with everything maxed out. I run with everything maxed and use about 900mb for VG.
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Ethion
My point is that if people are not happy with there performance with there computer with VG they probably wont be happy playing AoC and WAR on there computer either.
Well I wasnt present at launch but I dont recognise that statement at all. This game is good, one of the better MMORPGs I have played in a long while. However with AoC and WAR on the horizon they better add some more content as the game really hasnt got anything that makes it stand out. The PvP could get alot better for instance and the level cap should be raised.
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From what I see, AoC seems to generate more interest than WAR within the VG community despite the three titles having different primary appeals - although one may feel that AoC and VG look similar while WAR and VG play similarly.
However, I don't think that AoC or WAR will spell VG's "doom". Assuming MMOGdata is correct, it may take 20 years for the project to see net profit at 35,000 subscribers.
going from 1gb to 2gb up till gu3 was absolutely needed. However now post gu3 VG memory usage looks amazingly conservative on my computer. I play on very high and don't see it ever getting much above 1gb which considing my setttings is a lot lower then I'd expect.
By contrast everquest 2 is a complete pig and I can't even run it on the highest settings. For some reason I start getting directx rederer crashes. But even on high the game uses upto 1.6gb in areas like Neriak. This ultimately forced me to go from 2gb to 4gb since I'd start swapping and my framerates would get hitchy enough to make the game hard to play. Even now it seems like there is some sort of video memory leak or something in eq2 since after several hours of play it I'll notice things like combat will drop to very low fps. If I keep playing it will ultimately crash.
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Ethion
Yah EQ2 is like that. It was years ahead of its time when it was developed, even now you cant play on max settings inside a city without crashing out from lag.