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The graphics will make this game fail
Netzoko
Member Posts: 1,271
I support the AoC devs 100% by stepping up to the plate and making an MMORPG will modern day graphics, but a very small percentage of users have the system necessary to run something like this.
The game looks awesome one so many levels, but I honestly think that it won't get tons of success simply because people won't be able to run it.
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The system spec's aren't that bad for the game. They have said many times if you can run oblivion you can run AoC. That said, most of the more "Hard-Core" gamers the guys who would be more interested in this game are the ones that will have there rig at optimal at all times. The people who will stay with a game like AoC aren't the people that play WoW, the ones that play it for the casual experience and the ability to come in and have an easy go.
This game as much as it till have PvE, is going to be pointed at the people who love PvP again 9 times out of 10 those will be the folks that have good rigs. Do i think the game will ever hit WoW numbers No, but that has nothing to do with graphics. Will the game be a turn off for some because of its graphics? i'm sure it will, but then they have warhammer to turn to.
Simply put, this game won't be THAT hard to run, most people with a respectable system can do it.
actually thats not true - infact this game will be nicely optimized and it will work on average machine. nobody forces you to play on AA x8. this game will look nice aswell with AA x2 or even none.
People have been complaining about system requirements to run games since there were games to run. There were complaints about the first Ultima games, Mechwarrior, Doom, EQ1, EQ2... Games (and Windows upgrades) have almost always hit the high end standards for PC technologies. But I can't think of a significant game that has ever failed because it required too much hardware.
Most games these days run fine on older PCs but they try to sell you on the newer ones. You don't need to spend $4k on Dell's Warcraft laptop to max out WoW, for example. And having the snazziest PC on the market didn't perform miracles with Vanguard; that took a beating because of bugs and limitations on release, not system reqs.
I've got a fairly good gaming rig that is almost 3 years old (but with an updated GFx card). It easily handles anything that is out there (on Vista) and I have no worries about Conan. I'll upgrade my PC if I think it will help (buy a new one or just get more ram). I used to have to buy a new high end PC every couple years to keep up with the games but there really haven't been as many fundamental innovations lately as there used to be.
I doubt that AOC will require a high end PC to run well at low settings. If you don't have a decent midrange PC then get one. If you can't, then you may have to wait a year or two. I'm sure the low-end PCs of the future will be able to handle it.
I'd rather have a game with high reqs now that will look relatively decent a couple years from now than something built for crap PCs that is stuck with limited character models/animations/options. We've already got plenty of those.
What i think is sad is people want to dedicate their lives to games. Yet they cry when a game with hardcore graphics comes out. To these people i say UPGRADE. If your wanting to play on a old computer, then you should get what you paid for correct? So take DaoC, take EQ, and take WoW and go play them. Im tired of companies working with low end spec'd computers and hurting their game so they can win over the masses. All these game companies do is set the MMO world back a few steps instead of forward. Its not like Sony or Microsoft or even Sega thinks "well you know what, since people still have an xbox, lets make a game for that instead of the xbox360. " Seriously people, quit making these developers take steps back to help you out. How about you help out the cause and freaking upgrade. And this whole money issue is yet another way of stating im to lazy to actually go make enough. Seriously setting yourself low will only produce low results. Wake up and U P G R A D E.
with your way of thinking, Netzoko, we all have to play in games with graphic like Tibia
i play AoC on my P4 3GHz 6800GS 2GB RAM and all runs very fine on low setting (not lowest) with decent graphic
it runs much much better than Vanguard these days
"but a very small percentage of users have the system necessary to run something like this"
in my old guild in WoW moste of people have computers like dual core with GF8600/8800
and remember AoC is for mature peoples - they have much more cash than 13yo kids
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Let's hope not, or most of us are going to be disqualified.
I suspect its going to run poorly in the big fights, when theres like 100 vs 100, but other wise most people with decent rigs should be fine.
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I belive this game will beat wow hands down.
I also believe this game will be a far superior product to WoW, however the fact remains that WoW is easy-mode MMO that any person who knows how to operate a mouse (not even mandatory) can play.
It's really a shame, I came from the "old school" of mmo's where there were actual consequences to your actions, lost gear, lost XP, etc. It would appear that FunCom is doing something right with this game in their PvP death penalties, however we will have to wait and see exactly what those penalties are.
I have such high hopes for this game, I really hope this game makes it off the ground and achieves success (500k subscribers).
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Its a common mis-conception / Fallacy that just because the graphics look nice that it won't run on your average PC. The requirements are like a high end PC 4 yrs ago. 2gb Ram, single core CPU 3ghz plus, 7600GT or equivilent for average looks to performance play.
There has only been one video where it was in DX10 and that was 10 months ago. Everything else you have seen was DX9 - surprised? There is no dependancy on DX10 - none whatsoever. Would you like me to pull up a picture of a ATI 850XT video card laying on a desk at Funcom?
I believe there was one other DX10 event at the recent CES show in Jan, but thats all.
If any game is in jeopardy of failing due to Graphics then its the WOW wanna be War..
Word is Chetah 2 update has increased FPS meaning more computers will be able to play it on medium to high....
Besides what kinda game player are you if your computer cannot run Oblvion level graphics?
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/487/1/
If any game is in jeopardy of failing due to Graphics then its the WOW wanna be War..
Word is Chetah 2 update has increased FPS meaning more computers will be able to play it on medium to high....
Besides what kinda game player are you if your computer cannot run Oblvion level graphics?
Well, I think I understood 60% of what your said.
In response to what I understood of the first line, WAR is not a WoW wannabe nor clone (full 360 from what you posted would be correct).
Also, I am very interested to hear why you believe the game would fail due to graphics.
In response to your second batch of text, I'm sorry but I have no idea what you said.
In response to your last line of text, "What kind of game player are you if your computer cannot run Oblivion level graphics?" - Hmmm a gamer who doesn't have the money nor desire to improve thier machine beyond what they need to play a game they enjoy.
seriously lets not forget about low medium and high settings lol........ Is this OP serious?
Excellent point.
Both LOTRO and Vanguard suffer from this problem already. I think if the dev's assume everyone can run Oblivion without issue they may have a bit of trouble relating to the average gamer. Not a good start.
If any game is in jeopardy of failing due to Graphics then its the WOW wanna be War..
Word is Chetah 2 update has increased FPS meaning more computers will be able to play it on medium to high....
Besides what kinda game player are you if your computer cannot run Oblvion level graphics?
Well, I think I understood 60% of what your said.
In response to what I understood of the first line, WAR is not a WoW wannabe nor clone (full 360 from what you posted would be correct).
Also, I am very interested to hear why you believe the game would fail due to graphics.
In response to your second batch of text, I'm sorry but I have no idea what you said.
In response to your last line of text, "What kind of game player are you if your computer cannot run Oblivion level graphics?" - Hmmm a gamer who doesn't have the money nor desire to improve thier machine beyond what they need to play a game they enjoy.
Just as I thought...if you dont know what Cheetah 2 is then you truely have no idea what your talking about when it comes to AOC graphics...Case closed there.
And sorry but you also lose crediblility when you say your a PC gamer who cannot afford a decent PC to play current PC games.. Case closed here also!
As for my comparison of War to WoW it is no strech at all if you had stayed on topic, the graphics in both are very similar, maybe not the same but close enough, with War coming out on the losing end from what I have seen posted on the War website.
ive been waiting for this game for a long time, finally a game to let my laptop stretch it's legs!! dual sli wooot
A game looking good at higher settings in no way makes it harder to run at lower settings.
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Excellent point.
Both LOTRO and Vanguard suffer from this problem already. I think if the dev's assume everyone can run Oblivion without issue they may have a bit of trouble relating to the average gamer. Not a good start.
Times move on though, Age of Conan was pretty much developed with Shader Model 2.0 in mind from the get go.
New game coming out Chronicles of Spellborn = shadel model 3.0 / maybe even The Agency looks like it will be Shader Model 3.0 and also Aion. LOTRO = pixel shader model 1.4 and Guild Wars nearly 3 yrs ago pixel shadel model 1.0.
They didn't assume - they mean't to develop the game like this. Just like with A.O. pushing the boundaries for the time it was made.
I'm pretty confident warhammer and stargate worlds will have the same graphics card requirement as Age of Conan.
128mb graphics card with pixel shader model 2.0 will run the game fine at a low setting -scale it how you want.
PS version 2 and above: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_shader
EDIT**** Running the game at high resolutions will decrease the FPS, also dependant on other PC hardware in your system.
Well, if we can take the developer's word for it, then of course the average computer can run Conan. The game was built with scalability in mind. We can't really speculate either way with the game not even released, but keep in mind that its in the Dev's best interest to make the game accessible to as many "Mature" gamers as possible so I hope we'll see a scalable game.
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The majority of you need to take a damn chill pill. Computer's aren't that expensive if you build them yourselves (It's actually pretty dang easy). My $600 computer I built from the ground up runs Cod4 on max settings at 60(full load)-90fps(idle) at all times. It runs planetside on maximum settings at 132(full load)-190fps( idle) all times. My computer ALSO runs Crysis on a setting between medium and high at around 40fps at all times, it never really goes below 40 or above 48.
People are under the odd impression that each time you "rebuild" a computer you have to buy EVERYTHING new. Hell, I re-used the same monitor for 5years over 2 upgrades and 1 rebuild. I just recently got a new LCD 19'' for my birthday and it's smoke'n
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If any of you need quick and easy cheap builds that will run AoC on max settings just let me know (and no, you don't need an 8800 ANYTHING to run AoC on max settings. This is due to their graphics engine being tuned so well. In fact, you don't need 8800's for crap yet because they are overkill.)
I'd also like to note that everyone that I've talked to in the graphics industry laugh every time I mention Dx10. It really has no viable performance increasing attributes about it other than increased shadow support. Most games aren't even using any more advanced shading that DX10 has the "possibility" to provide. You honestly don't need vista for another 2years.
On the vista note: Vista is NOT as bad as everyone says (I still don't use it however). The reason being is that if you know what your doing you can easily disable the administration and security controls that mess up everything. After you do all that (I found a guide in under 10minutes using google) it's JUST like xp with dx10 and a nicer GUI
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So please, stop complaining about how "expensive" computers are when you deserve to pay more buying from a big company whom charge you 60% more what the computer costs (basically your just paying for them to stick their company logo on your computer) because they stick you with warranty "deals" that need to be used because of THEIR faulty hardware. Bestbuy is also a major "Big Name" that charges an arm and a leg for something that is sub-par comparative to self-build efficiency. Plus, I'm a tad peeved at Bestbuy atm for 3 high end electronics that I purchased from them going bad in under a month
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-poopy
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If any game is in jeopardy of failing due to Graphics then its the WOW wanna be War..
Word is Chetah 2 update has increased FPS meaning more computers will be able to play it on medium to high....
Besides what kinda game player are you if your computer cannot run Oblvion level graphics?
Well, I think I understood 60% of what your said.
In response to what I understood of the first line, WAR is not a WoW wannabe nor clone (full 360 from what you posted would be correct).
Also, I am very interested to hear why you believe the game would fail due to graphics.
In response to your second batch of text, I'm sorry but I have no idea what you said.
In response to your last line of text, "What kind of game player are you if your computer cannot run Oblivion level graphics?" - Hmmm a gamer who doesn't have the money nor desire to improve thier machine beyond what they need to play a game they enjoy.
Just as I thought...if you dont know what Cheetah 2 is then you truely have no idea what your talking about when it comes to AOC graphics...Case closed there.
I was not talking about AoC Graphics..... Case Closed.....
And sorry but you also lose crediblility when you say your a PC gamer who cannot afford a decent PC to play current PC games.. Case closed here also!
I can afford a decent computer, and it is capable of running Oblivion + the Qarl Mod's on highest settings..... and for the record, try not to be so narrowsighted as to say players without high end machines are uncredible. It tends to make yourself sound less believable.
Enough of the case closed.....
As for my comparison of War to WoW it is no strech at all if you had stayed on topic, the graphics in both are very similar, maybe not the same but close enough, with War coming out on the losing end from what I have seen posted on the War website.
Staying on topic? My topic was what you said about WAR, and players without machines capable of running games with Oblivion level graphics. WAR and WoW' graphical engines are entirely different. The only similarities are in the art styles, which are very similar because WoW is a poor ripoff of Warhammer Fantasy Lore.
It is rather pointless to bypass my entire arguement over WAR and graphical capability of computers, simply because I do not know what Cheetah 2 is.
Go tell the car salesman he knows nothing about selling cars, for he knows nothing of selling tires.
With economies around the globe tanking and the best view is it will be 3 or 4 years before we see a turn around in the economy, I don't see many people shelling out cash for machines to run this game. Why spend $2,500+ on a machine to run AoC when any $500 machine on the market will be able to play WoW or many of the other new MMOGs coming down the pipe? Where you might see the bigger AoC crowd is on the XBox 360 since they can play AoC on a $400 machine. I don't see the PC version of this game doing very well for the obvious reasons posted by many in this thread.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."