It would ruin the game if they went and said it ONLY supported High resolution details, but thankfully they're clever enough to not do so.. Do no, I'd say I'm pretty sure most people will be able to play this game, not all as beautiful, but for some, the looks aint all, especially not for me. Gameplay > Looks
It all depends on what each one individually perceives as an acceptable level of graphics quality and how far is willing to go so as to achieve it. We are talking about adults here, in an mature targeted MMO, by the way.
If people find the graphics unacceptable, they will have the choice to remain to their current MMO and continue enjoying it. The difference with the advent of the new crop of MMOs will be the choice given, choice that is currently not present.
If this game fails it won't be due to the graphics. It will be due to the core gameplay not being as fun as it should have been in theory. No game with a solid gameplay died due to a bloated graphics engine. If that was the case, SWG (the early days) would not be as loved as it is, even today.
I support the AoC devs 100% by stepping up to the plate and making an MMORPG will modern day graphics, but a very small percentage of users have the system necessary to run something like this. The game looks awesome one so many levels, but I honestly think that it won't get tons of success simply because people won't be able to run it. Thoughts?
Agreed.
But recently my worries were dispelled when i seen new AOC presentation video.
Gaute showed low quality gameplay, that really looked like it could run on everyones PC , and he said that even 4 year old rigs ( taken that 4 years ago they were decent ) could run this game.
The game looks awesome one so many levels, but I honestly think that it won't get tons of success simply because people won't be able to run it. Thoughts?
There are only two things that are able to make this game fail
I support the AoC devs 100% by stepping up to the plate and making an MMORPG will modern day graphics, but a very small percentage of users have the system necessary to run something like this. The game looks awesome one so many levels, but I honestly think that it won't get tons of success simply because people won't be able to run it. Thoughts?
Agreed.
But recently my worries were dispelled when i seen new AOC presentation video.
Gaute showed low quality gameplay, that really looked like it could run on everyones PC , and he said that even 4 year old rigs ( taken that 4 years ago they were decent ) could run this game.
Could you link to that movie? haven't seen the game on low details yet Thank you.
The grafix will keep away WoW kids thats cant afford to upgrade their pc's and herd them to WAR and the more mature players willl play conan
I couldn't disagree with you more. The higher the rating, M or Adult Only, the more you can GUARANTEE young teens will seek out and play the game. GTA is all the proof you need of this. AoC will be dominated by young teens for 2 reasons, breasts and gore. You can bet on it because Funcom is going to laugh all the way to the bank about it while the "mature fans" and bitching because it is BNet Kiddie Ville Gone Wild like never seen before in gaming.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
The grafix will keep away WoW kids thats cant afford to upgrade their pc's and herd them to WAR and the more mature players willl play conan
I couldn't disagree with you more. The higher the rating, M or Adult Only, the more you can GUARANTEE young teens will seek out and play the game. GTA is all the proof you need of this. AoC will be dominated by young teens for 2 reasons, breasts and gore. You can bet on it because Funcom is going to laugh all the way to the bank about it while the "mature fans" and bitching because it is BNet Kiddie Ville Gone Wild like never seen before in gaming.
I agree, these adults are in denial when they speak of an 'mmo purely for adults' because it simply doesn't exist, The sad thing is the only weapon they have against games such as WAR is that they always say 'Let WAR have the kids, mature people will play conan'
All i can say to such people is Grow up, I am 17 and have a PC worth $3000, therefore your argument is wrong.
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I believe the video is the one taken from the Game Developers Conference that occured last week from the 22nd to the 24th at the Moscone Center at San Francisco. It is about 20-25 mins long too, shows some character design, starting area, a level 80 instance with a small group, mounts and mounted combat, and craft hall/clan keep construction. I found it either on this site or tentonhammer.com under recent news entries.
It shows quite a lot and he *does* state, specifically, that the game should run with a computer that was considered "top of the line" four years ago. I can only cross my fingers that it is true and that I won't have to run at the lowest graphical settings, at the very least, because it looks fantastic, IMHO.
I just read all 4 pages of people talking about their own hardware. No one has even considered this game failing due to their hardware. I'm sure the majority of computers can handle this game. It might not be on the highest setting available, but it should handle it.
One of the points where most MMO's fail is server-side where their own hardware isn't up to the task of handling thousands of different connections. How many of you will stay on a server if there's constant lag? No one? Thought so.
One of the other points where most MMO's fail is where the staff is unable to generate new and interesting gameplay in a timely manner. That and when customer support is non-existent. How many of you have had to deal with SoE? How'd it turn out?
The grafix will keep away WoW kids thats cant afford to upgrade their pc's and herd them to WAR and the more mature players willl play conan
I couldn't disagree with you more. The higher the rating, M or Adult Only, the more you can GUARANTEE young teens will seek out and play the game. GTA is all the proof you need of this. AoC will be dominated by young teens for 2 reasons, breasts and gore. You can bet on it because Funcom is going to laugh all the way to the bank about it while the "mature fans" and bitching because it is BNet Kiddie Ville Gone Wild like never seen before in gaming.
You really sure the worst retards are teens ? I doubt it, because gaming experience teached me something different.
Due to job i mainly play in the late afternoon. I do most of my dungeons with teens and they are mature without any exception. I do know they are teens because they chat about school and how mom is not paying sub if the underachieve in school. They are serious gamers and you can hunt down any named with them easily
The retards are a different story. There is no guaranty in any game, but usually communities do self regulate. Well, maybe not in WoW but in other games the "bad" players vanish. They are usually not only ididots with foul language but also loot whores and ninja looters. Nobody teams with them. The funny thing is, the teens are the first who stop teaming with them
Indeed, for the most part maturity has little to do with age as far as MMOs are concerned. The age restriction (M rating) was imposed to restrict children from inappropriate themed material. Not to keep the immature people out. That's impossible for a developer to do and it's more of a function of a self-regulating community.
In short, children can be and are great gamers. Maturity does not equal age. M filter won't keep the asshats of the world out there.
Now, looking back at the thread topic, I'm not sure how we managed to derail ourselves so much.
developer posted specs are what you need to play on minimum settings, if you want to play a top of the line game with sprite graphics because you followed the specs, sorry for you.
in all the games I have ever played, you need to take a look at required specs, and buff those up by about 3 video cards above what is required, add 3 more gigs of ram, and 2 more ghz on the cpu
if you upgrade to the "required" specs on the box and think you are gonna be able to play this game on graphics that look up to par with todays games you are going to be sorely disappointed.
I can see the graphics failing the game as well, specially with the large array of new hardware coming as well the quad ATI / AMD spider systems coming don in price, that the graphics won't be full optimized, in the sense of driver efficient tweaks. The thing that I noticed about the game world right away is the dependacy on Dx10 to make it look as good as it does, I think that is going to break the game with users running xop not getting the same level of detail in shaders as with dx10. Way to much focus on dx10 , and that is going to kill this game.
That makes no sense at all. Infact in one of the videos they show the world of Conan and specifically say that it is a dx9 system they are showing it on ... just to show that the game looks good on dx9 as well.
"I don't give a sh*t what other people say. I play what I like and I'll pay to do it too!" - SerialMMOist
I can see the graphics failing the game as well, specially with the large array of new hardware coming as well the quad ATI / AMD spider systems coming don in price, that the graphics won't be full optimized, in the sense of driver efficient tweaks. The thing that I noticed about the game world right away is the dependacy on Dx10 to make it look as good as it does, I think that is going to break the game with users running xop not getting the same level of detail in shaders as with dx10. Way to much focus on dx10 , and that is going to kill this game.
That makes no sense at all. Infact in one of the videos they show the world of Conan and specifically say that it is a dx9 system they are showing it on ... just to show that the game looks good on dx9 as well.
All focus seem to be on the directX 9 client, so much so as to think that there won't be a directX 10 one ready for launch. I really don't understand how people come up with these "facts" either.
I support the AoC devs 100% by stepping up to the plate and making an MMORPG will modern day graphics, but a very small percentage of users have the system necessary to run something like this. The game looks awesome one so many levels, but I honestly think that it won't get tons of success simply because people won't be able to run it. Thoughts?
They say any high end pc 3-4 years old runs aoc fine..
And if you dont have money to upgrade your pc to run aoc...its because you dont work..so you arent old enough to play aoc, you arent harcore and dont love the game enough to play it..so with all due respect : stay away from it.
In other words: if you really like and want this game you will upgrade the pc to play it and will not cry about the graphics being to good for your 10 y old machine...
I am not sure if this goes for everyone, but I generally upgrade my computer when I find a upcoming game that will require a little more graphical power to run smoothly. I upgraded in the past with the release of Morrowind, and recently with the releases of Oblivion and CoD4.
Although I do not think the upcoming games this summer will be very graphically demanding, DX10 may pose some problems for players without the v / requirements, though. Regardless, if someone want's to play AoC they will upgrade thier computer to the appropriate level in order to do so.
So, will the graphics make this game fail? For a few people sure, but not in the long run.
There are other things more important than graphics that can outright ruin a game.
i think some people are confusing being able to run aoc, and being able to run at at high grphic settings.
Not everyones machines will be able to do high settings, so you just have to take that into consideration.
This game , will give a great graphic experience, and im sure the devs had this inmind when they made the game. hey know this game isnt for everyone. hell they made the game for adults, lol. This game will only fail if it isnt as exiting as they claim it is, not for graphics.
I support the AoC devs 100% by stepping up to the plate and making an MMORPG will modern day graphics, but a very small percentage of users have the system necessary to run something like this. The game looks awesome one so many levels, but I honestly think that it won't get tons of success simply because people won't be able to run it. Thoughts?
It is fully scalable (to a certain extent). THe graphics will be spectacular but no gaming industry should dumb donwn on the graphics just to run on older PCs. Then no one would buy it or care to play it (/cough gods and heros). Besides if you have a slow PC you are limited on what you can play so graphics should not make that much of a difference. That would be like Ford saying HEY who needs to put a V8 in the Mustang ( or even make a new Shelby) if only 25% of the poeple buying it couldnt afford it. Then what do you get A damn taurasss with a spoiler.
Well I just upgraded my machine as I got some extra cash so got some good hardware. I used to play WOW with a crappy machine I think with an Ati X1500 or something and like 1.5GB of ram on Vista. And it played perfect I never got lag my fps in IF and such were maybe 40-50 and raiding I was a tank and never had any problems. My new rig stayed at the 60 WOW has it set at which is awesome I would get 60 in big cities and it stay there lol.
Well I moved on to LOTRO and I get like 90-100 fps in big cities and like 150+ or more in the outside world. So I am pretty sure AOC will run great I am wanting this and WAR so far WAR looks relatively the same as WOW but the screenies and vids I have seen show it does look better but again AOC since it is rated M wont be for the masses like WOW its gonna be meant as an alternative. I head so much about this game being a WOW killed so many people are in WOW now and alot of them probably won't leave there lvl 70 soon to be 80 epic'd out character behind. No doubt it is a fun game but some people want something different and a little more depth thats where AOC and WAR come in for me. I think WAR has the best chance since it will be catered more to masses and also the popularity of the RTS games much like WOW had with theres.
So to be AOC will be a more mature alternative for people wanting to venture into more hardcore and more PVP oriented play it looks awesome no doubt and they wanna sell so they won't cut that many folks out I mean some ppl have to be cut out but I am sure it wont be anything like say Crysis and will be able to played on a variety of machines. And as many have said upgrade games cannot stay the same requirements forever but if you play MMO's now you have an idea of what your machine can do. If you play WOW and you lag alot and get choppy rates of course this game won't be for your current system. I know with my current rig I over upgraded but this leaves me room for the future. Its the same as console games every few years they throw something else out same thing with PC gamers but most PC gamers are a different breed and know they have to spend more when it comes to parts and such. But we get different games and such and we have the option to upgrade at anytime.
So those of you thinking you cannot play this maybe run some demos of other games similiar to his and see where your comp comes in at. And then see what you maybe have to work on maybe its just more ram maybe just a new videocard both of these can be cheap and well worth the upgrades for the future.
And with the guy talking about it failing because of there side I think this is a very good point. Lets see how they handle server loads and such its still an online game and most of the time require just a little beef to run the a normal game because it is over the net and its streaming to you. But these are large companies with other games behind them and alot know what they are doing. I think companies having other games help them really of knowing where they need to be for this launch.
So far AOC and WAR since its the 2 most hyped look very good and both will probably have very good servers up and hopefully will be ready to take us all on when launch day comes .
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It would ruin the game if they went and said it ONLY supported High resolution details, but thankfully they're clever enough to not do so.. Do no, I'd say I'm pretty sure most people will be able to play this game, not all as beautiful, but for some, the looks aint all, especially not for me. Gameplay > Looks
The grafix will keep away WoW kids thats cant afford to upgrade their pc's and herd them to WAR and the more mature players willl play conan
It all depends on what each one individually perceives as an acceptable level of graphics quality and how far is willing to go so as to achieve it. We are talking about adults here, in an mature targeted MMO, by the way.
If people find the graphics unacceptable, they will have the choice to remain to their current MMO and continue enjoying it. The difference with the advent of the new crop of MMOs will be the choice given, choice that is currently not present.
If this game fails it won't be due to the graphics. It will be due to the core gameplay not being as fun as it should have been in theory. No game with a solid gameplay died due to a bloated graphics engine. If that was the case, SWG (the early days) would not be as loved as it is, even today.
Agreed.
But recently my worries were dispelled when i seen new AOC presentation video.
Gaute showed low quality gameplay, that really looked like it could run on everyones PC , and he said that even 4 year old rigs ( taken that 4 years ago they were decent ) could run this game.
1) The lack of real content
2) The community
Agreed.
But recently my worries were dispelled when i seen new AOC presentation video.
Gaute showed low quality gameplay, that really looked like it could run on everyones PC , and he said that even 4 year old rigs ( taken that 4 years ago they were decent ) could run this game.
Could you link to that movie? haven't seen the game on low details yet
I couldn't disagree with you more. The higher the rating, M or Adult Only, the more you can GUARANTEE young teens will seek out and play the game. GTA is all the proof you need of this. AoC will be dominated by young teens for 2 reasons, breasts and gore. You can bet on it because Funcom is going to laugh all the way to the bank about it while the "mature fans" and bitching because it is BNet Kiddie Ville Gone Wild like never seen before in gaming.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
I couldn't disagree with you more. The higher the rating, M or Adult Only, the more you can GUARANTEE young teens will seek out and play the game. GTA is all the proof you need of this. AoC will be dominated by young teens for 2 reasons, breasts and gore. You can bet on it because Funcom is going to laugh all the way to the bank about it while the "mature fans" and bitching because it is BNet Kiddie Ville Gone Wild like never seen before in gaming.
I agree, these adults are in denial when they speak of an 'mmo purely for adults' because it simply doesn't exist, The sad thing is the only weapon they have against games such as WAR is that they always say 'Let WAR have the kids, mature people will play conan'All i can say to such people is Grow up, I am 17 and have a PC worth $3000, therefore your argument is wrong.
Account has been stolen, why would someone want to steal my account?
gonna fail for alot more reasons than just that, but yea
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I believe the video is the one taken from the Game Developers Conference that occured last week from the 22nd to the 24th at the Moscone Center at San Francisco. It is about 20-25 mins long too, shows some character design, starting area, a level 80 instance with a small group, mounts and mounted combat, and craft hall/clan keep construction. I found it either on this site or tentonhammer.com under recent news entries.
It shows quite a lot and he *does* state, specifically, that the game should run with a computer that was considered "top of the line" four years ago. I can only cross my fingers that it is true and that I won't have to run at the lowest graphical settings, at the very least, because it looks fantastic, IMHO.
Your avatar sucks.
I just read all 4 pages of people talking about their own hardware. No one has even considered this game failing due to their hardware. I'm sure the majority of computers can handle this game. It might not be on the highest setting available, but it should handle it.
One of the points where most MMO's fail is server-side where their own hardware isn't up to the task of handling thousands of different connections. How many of you will stay on a server if there's constant lag? No one? Thought so.
One of the other points where most MMO's fail is where the staff is unable to generate new and interesting gameplay in a timely manner. That and when customer support is non-existent. How many of you have had to deal with SoE? How'd it turn out?
Seriously, though, I can see how you pad your post count, now...
I couldn't disagree with you more. The higher the rating, M or Adult Only, the more you can GUARANTEE young teens will seek out and play the game. GTA is all the proof you need of this. AoC will be dominated by young teens for 2 reasons, breasts and gore. You can bet on it because Funcom is going to laugh all the way to the bank about it while the "mature fans" and bitching because it is BNet Kiddie Ville Gone Wild like never seen before in gaming.
You really sure the worst retards are teens ? I doubt it, because gaming experience teached me something different.
Due to job i mainly play in the late afternoon. I do most of my dungeons with teens and they are mature without any exception. I do know they are teens because they chat about school and how mom is not paying sub if the underachieve in school. They are serious gamers and you can hunt down any named with them easily
The retards are a different story. There is no guaranty in any game, but usually communities do self regulate. Well, maybe not in WoW but in other games the "bad" players vanish. They are usually not only ididots with foul language but also loot whores and ninja looters. Nobody teams with them. The funny thing is, the teens are the first who stop teaming with them
Indeed, for the most part maturity has little to do with age as far as MMOs are concerned. The age restriction (M rating) was imposed to restrict children from inappropriate themed material. Not to keep the immature people out. That's impossible for a developer to do and it's more of a function of a self-regulating community.
In short, children can be and are great gamers. Maturity does not equal age. M filter won't keep the asshats of the world out there.
Now, looking back at the thread topic, I'm not sure how we managed to derail ourselves so much.
developer posted specs are what you need to play on minimum settings, if you want to play a top of the line game with sprite graphics because you followed the specs, sorry for you.
in all the games I have ever played, you need to take a look at required specs, and buff those up by about 3 video cards above what is required, add 3 more gigs of ram, and 2 more ghz on the cpu
if you upgrade to the "required" specs on the box and think you are gonna be able to play this game on graphics that look up to par with todays games you are going to be sorely disappointed.
"I don't give a sh*t what other people say. I play what I like and I'll pay to do it too!" - SerialMMOist
All focus seem to be on the directX 9 client, so much so as to think that there won't be a directX 10 one ready for launch. I really don't understand how people come up with these "facts" either.
And if you dont have money to upgrade your pc to run aoc...its because you dont work..so you arent old enough to play aoc, you arent harcore and dont love the game enough to play it..so with all due respect : stay away from it.
In other words: if you really like and want this game you will upgrade the pc to play it and will not cry about the graphics being to good for your 10 y old machine...
I am not sure if this goes for everyone, but I generally upgrade my computer when I find a upcoming game that will require a little more graphical power to run smoothly. I upgraded in the past with the release of Morrowind, and recently with the releases of Oblivion and CoD4.
Although I do not think the upcoming games this summer will be very graphically demanding, DX10 may pose some problems for players without the v / requirements, though. Regardless, if someone want's to play AoC they will upgrade thier computer to the appropriate level in order to do so.
So, will the graphics make this game fail? For a few people sure, but not in the long run.
There are other things more important than graphics that can outright ruin a game.
i think some people are confusing being able to run aoc, and being able to run at at high grphic settings.
Not everyones machines will be able to do high settings, so you just have to take that into consideration.
This game , will give a great graphic experience, and im sure the devs had this inmind when they made the game. hey know this game isnt for everyone. hell they made the game for adults, lol. This game will only fail if it isnt as exiting as they claim it is, not for graphics.
It is fully scalable (to a certain extent). THe graphics will be spectacular but no gaming industry should dumb donwn on the graphics just to run on older PCs. Then no one would buy it or care to play it (/cough gods and heros). Besides if you have a slow PC you are limited on what you can play so graphics should not make that much of a difference. That would be like Ford saying HEY who needs to put a V8 in the Mustang ( or even make a new Shelby) if only 25% of the poeple buying it couldnt afford it. Then what do you get A damn taurasss with a spoiler.
Sadly, tons of my friends say they can't run games like CoD4 or even CS:Source on their systems without massive lag on low settings.
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Well I just upgraded my machine as I got some extra cash so got some good hardware. I used to play WOW with a crappy machine I think with an Ati X1500 or something and like 1.5GB of ram on Vista. And it played perfect I never got lag my fps in IF and such were maybe 40-50 and raiding I was a tank and never had any problems. My new rig stayed at the 60 WOW has it set at which is awesome I would get 60 in big cities and it stay there lol.
Well I moved on to LOTRO and I get like 90-100 fps in big cities and like 150+ or more in the outside world. So I am pretty sure AOC will run great I am wanting this and WAR so far WAR looks relatively the same as WOW but the screenies and vids I have seen show it does look better but again AOC since it is rated M wont be for the masses like WOW its gonna be meant as an alternative. I head so much about this game being a WOW killed so many people are in WOW now and alot of them probably won't leave there lvl 70 soon to be 80 epic'd out character behind. No doubt it is a fun game but some people want something different and a little more depth thats where AOC and WAR come in for me. I think WAR has the best chance since it will be catered more to masses and also the popularity of the RTS games much like WOW had with theres.
So to be AOC will be a more mature alternative for people wanting to venture into more hardcore and more PVP oriented play it looks awesome no doubt and they wanna sell so they won't cut that many folks out I mean some ppl have to be cut out but I am sure it wont be anything like say Crysis and will be able to played on a variety of machines. And as many have said upgrade games cannot stay the same requirements forever but if you play MMO's now you have an idea of what your machine can do. If you play WOW and you lag alot and get choppy rates of course this game won't be for your current system. I know with my current rig I over upgraded but this leaves me room for the future. Its the same as console games every few years they throw something else out same thing with PC gamers but most PC gamers are a different breed and know they have to spend more when it comes to parts and such. But we get different games and such and we have the option to upgrade at anytime.
So those of you thinking you cannot play this maybe run some demos of other games similiar to his and see where your comp comes in at. And then see what you maybe have to work on maybe its just more ram maybe just a new videocard both of these can be cheap and well worth the upgrades for the future.
And with the guy talking about it failing because of there side I think this is a very good point. Lets see how they handle server loads and such its still an online game and most of the time require just a little beef to run the a normal game because it is over the net and its streaming to you. But these are large companies with other games behind them and alot know what they are doing. I think companies having other games help them really of knowing where they need to be for this launch.
So far AOC and WAR since its the 2 most hyped look very good and both will probably have very good servers up and hopefully will be ready to take us all on when launch day comes
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