You could very well be having fun, and I applaud the fact you are. But, factually, the game is a sinking ship where everyone is rushing to the last floating piece of wreckage still adrift.
Like any mmo thats about as old as swg is.. it's not really doing any worse than most old mmos.
As for the fact that lots of buildings survived reclaiming when that happened last year.. I was in the game at the time, and mostly what happened was people with active accounts due to being station passed didnt have to worry about their buildings going bye bye.. which is a lot of people apparently
Originally posted by randomt Originally posted by Gishgeron You could very well be having fun, and I applaud the fact you are. But, factually, the game is a sinking ship where everyone is rushing to the last floating piece of wreckage still adrift.
Like any mmo thats about as old as swg is.. it's not really doing any worse than most old mmos. Nah, nothing has sunk as fast as SWG did after the NGE, there's some old games that are still going strong: the Everquest 2, Lineage, Final Fantasy, heck even City of Heroes. But none of the games the past has lost so many subscribers in such a short time like SWG did, plus pretty much all the other SOE titles has dropped drastically in mid-2006.
You could very well be having fun, and I applaud the fact you are. But, factually, the game is a sinking ship where everyone is rushing to the last floating piece of wreckage still adrift.
Like any mmo thats about as old as swg is.. it's not really doing any worse than most old mmos.
As for the fact that lots of buildings survived reclaiming when that happened last year.. I was in the game at the time, and mostly what happened was people with active accounts due to being station passed didnt have to worry about their buildings going bye bye.. which is a lot of people apparently
SWG has NOT followed the normal cycle, not sure what you are basing this on...
I don't know of ANY other MMO that lost over 100,000 subscriptions in the course of 1 month. 1 month...
Think about that SUDDEN loss of revenue for a second. 100,000 X $14.95.
Most games in the MMO world follow the cycle of marketable goods. They are born, they grow rapidly, then they begin to decline.
SWG began to decline only when the CU was implemented. SWG DIED for all intents and purposes when the NGE went live.
No matter how much some of you sugarcoat this sort of business behaviors, if you were to sit down with ANY SOE/LEC executive and ask him/her if they are happy with the way the NGE took place and has limped along, they will tell you no.
It's so easy for someone to say pff w/e get over it when it hasn't happened to you. I'll come over there take your car/truck/suv/4-wheeler/motorcycle/snow mobile/golf cart/lawn mower/weed eater/garden tiller/tractor/farm equipment/bus/semi think I got em all and then tell you to get over it. Not going to fly is it? Exactly. You are comparing real life with a virtual damn game. A hobby, a pass time. The concept of even attempting to equate the real to the virtual is laughable at best, and tragically sad at worst. So yes. Get over it.
Not that im agreeing or disagreeing, but he seems to be comparing a product to a product. Not something that occured inside the game specifically to something in the real world. Soe ruined a product that people loved...and people got upset. He seems to be saying "you'd be upset too if a product you have is ruined", so saying "get over it" only works if you could care less that any product, whatever it is, a game a car, ect.. you enjoy could be ruined. I dont see how thats comparing real life with a virtual damn game.
If you really want to compare product to a product look at WoW. It has one of the largest subscriber bases that any MMo has ever had, regardless of how they come up with their numbers through f2p/penny accounts. They have servers that are near empty and barely make 1k people each night both alliance and horde. They have not merged nor gotten rid of many of these servers. They simply tell people on high population to switch to them.
I am not saying they are in the right, but when people compare products they have to look at what is available, and even the "Most Successful" Mmo is to blame for leaving barren servers running. It is just the nature of the beast. There will always be high population servers and low population servers.
Also I have been kicked out of home depot the second i walked in the door, but that was because I told him the toilets in the plumbing section didn't flush last time I was in and he may want to check it out.
Nah, nothing has sunk as fast as SWG did after the NGE, there's some old games that are still going strong: the Everquest 2, Lineage, Final Fantasy, heck even City of Heroes. But none of the games the past has lost so many subscribers in such a short time like SWG did, plus pretty much all the other SOE titles has dropped drastically in mid-2006.
EQ2 isn't as old as SWG, Lineage has under 100k subs, who knows about FFXI it is an asian MMo that the koreans, and japs go to town on. City of Heroes just split and is owned primarily by NCsoft with their own studio, which last I checked had about 70k subscribers.
Regardless of when SWG lost subscribers the loss happens, and companies know that. None the less all these MMo's still make money and that is all that matters. If SWG was no longer making a nice profit I can tell you SOE would drop it like a ton of bricks.
It's so easy for someone to say pff w/e get over it when it hasn't happened to you. I'll come over there take your car/truck/suv/4-wheeler/motorcycle/snow mobile/golf cart/lawn mower/weed eater/garden tiller/tractor/farm equipment/bus/semi think I got em all and then tell you to get over it. Not going to fly is it? Exactly. You are comparing real life with a virtual damn game. A hobby, a pass time. The concept of even attempting to equate the real to the virtual is laughable at best, and tragically sad at worst. So yes. Get over it.
Not that im agreeing or disagreeing, but he seems to be comparing a product to a product. Not something that occured inside the game specifically to something in the real world. Soe ruined a product that people loved...and people got upset. He seems to be saying "you'd be upset too if a product you have is ruined", so saying "get over it" only works if you could care less that any product, whatever it is, a game a car, ect.. you enjoy could be ruined. I dont see how thats comparing real life with a virtual damn game.
Basically my point is that someone taking your car/house/tractor/etc. are things that affect a persons real life. These are real life issues.
A company changing a game to something you don't like is not on the same scale..at all. I take your car/house/tractor/etc., I've caused you financial and emotional distress. I change a game you play, you cancel your sub and find another game.
If changing a game causes the same emotional distress as losing real life items, as it appears it does to some of the more "outspoken" vets apparently, that's not SOEs' fault. That's a mental health issue.
It's so easy for someone to say pff w/e get over it when it hasn't happened to you. I'll come over there take your car/truck/suv/4-wheeler/motorcycle/snow mobile/golf cart/lawn mower/weed eater/garden tiller/tractor/farm equipment/bus/semi think I got em all and then tell you to get over it. Not going to fly is it? Exactly. You are comparing real life with a virtual damn game. A hobby, a pass time. The concept of even attempting to equate the real to the virtual is laughable at best, and tragically sad at worst. So yes. Get over it.
Not that im agreeing or disagreeing, but he seems to be comparing a product to a product. Not something that occured inside the game specifically to something in the real world. Soe ruined a product that people loved...and people got upset. He seems to be saying "you'd be upset too if a product you have is ruined", so saying "get over it" only works if you could care less that any product, whatever it is, a game a car, ect.. you enjoy could be ruined. I dont see how thats comparing real life with a virtual damn game.
Basically my point is that someone taking your car/house/tractor/etc. are things that affect a persons real life. These are real life issues.
A company changing a game to something you don't like is not on the same scale..at all. I take your car/house/tractor/etc., I've caused you financial and emotional distress. I change a game you play, you cancel your sub and find another game.
If changing a game causes the same emotional distress as losing real life items, as it appears it does to some of the more "outspoken" vets apparently, that's not SOEs' fault. That's a mental health issue.
It's so easy for someone to say pff w/e get over it when it hasn't happened to you. I'll come over there take your car/truck/suv/4-wheeler/motorcycle/snow mobile/golf cart/lawn mower/weed eater/garden tiller/tractor/farm equipment/bus/semi think I got em all and then tell you to get over it. Not going to fly is it? Exactly. You are comparing real life with a virtual damn game. A hobby, a pass time. The concept of even attempting to equate the real to the virtual is laughable at best, and tragically sad at worst. So yes. Get over it.
Not that im agreeing or disagreeing, but he seems to be comparing a product to a product. Not something that occured inside the game specifically to something in the real world. Soe ruined a product that people loved...and people got upset. He seems to be saying "you'd be upset too if a product you have is ruined", so saying "get over it" only works if you could care less that any product, whatever it is, a game a car, ect.. you enjoy could be ruined. I dont see how thats comparing real life with a virtual damn game.
Basically my point is that someone taking your car/house/tractor/etc. are things that affect a persons real life. These are real life issues.
A company changing a game to something you don't like is not on the same scale..at all. I take your car/house/tractor/etc., I've caused you financial and emotional distress. I change a game you play, you cancel your sub and find another game.
If changing a game causes the same emotional distress as losing real life items, as it appears it does to some of the more "outspoken" vets apparently, that's not SOEs' fault. That's a mental health issue.
I think there is a fine line...
Person A: 2000 hours logged in Pre-CU SWG, that = 83.3 FULL DAYS of play time. $358.8 spent for 2 years active account (1 account) + whatever Person A paid for game box.
At some point SOE has an obligation to that gamer to maintain honest and forthright service to said gamer.
We do not have laws that currently regulate this. As long as the MMO market grows, which it will, we will see more and more laws created to protect the consumer. It's the evolution of business in a free market, the consumer MUST be protected.
The 3 busy Servers in the US are Starsider, Bloodfin, and Bria lots of people on these servers. You can transfer or create a new toon I created anew toons on all 3 of these, I like Starsider the best good people less lag.
I won't argue the "good people" part but I played Starsider the day it was born up until this last "free trial".
I will not be able to agree that its "populated".
Altho it could be more populated than the other US servers (besides the two you mention).
I can sell stuff easily if I put it up for sale... but it makes me feel like I am going to be violently ill every time I log into the game.
Mostly due to all the places that are empty... half of a dead city here.. half there.. because large parts got missed in the pack-up somehow. Its like the end of that Hoosiers movie...
You see this big empty gym... no one on the court.. dust bunnies in the air.. but you can hear the voices of those who were there.
makes me sad.
Your wrong logon again Mos Eisley during prime time has +100 coming and leaving for buffs for about 3 hours straight I play every day there so I think I know what I'm talking about.
StarSider has grown to the point its starting to get chat lag just like Bira and Bloodfin.
The game is growing on the populated servers while the others servers are drying up.
I'm sorry your sad but A lot of us are having fun.
So stop posting false information please!
Are you saying there's a 100 unique players running back and forth over 3 hours or you see 100 players running back and forth? I suspect it's about 10-15 who are zerging about trying to get their ub3r buffs!!1
Game is dead. The subscriptions are drying up and more and more ppl are leaving all the time. New players? Nope...not enough to replace the regulars who had stuck it out just to throw in the towels...
It's so easy for someone to say pff w/e get over it when it hasn't happened to you. I'll come over there take your car/truck/suv/4-wheeler/motorcycle/snow mobile/golf cart/lawn mower/weed eater/garden tiller/tractor/farm equipment/bus/semi think I got em all and then tell you to get over it. Not going to fly is it? Exactly. You are comparing real life with a virtual damn game. A hobby, a pass time. The concept of even attempting to equate the real to the virtual is laughable at best, and tragically sad at worst. So yes. Get over it.
Not that im agreeing or disagreeing, but he seems to be comparing a product to a product. Not something that occured inside the game specifically to something in the real world. Soe ruined a product that people loved...and people got upset. He seems to be saying "you'd be upset too if a product you have is ruined", so saying "get over it" only works if you could care less that any product, whatever it is, a game a car, ect.. you enjoy could be ruined. I dont see how thats comparing real life with a virtual damn game.
Basically my point is that someone taking your car/house/tractor/etc. are things that affect a persons real life. These are real life issues.
A company changing a game to something you don't like is not on the same scale..at all. I take your car/house/tractor/etc., I've caused you financial and emotional distress. I change a game you play, you cancel your sub and find another game.
If changing a game causes the same emotional distress as losing real life items, as it appears it does to some of the more "outspoken" vets apparently, that's not SOEs' fault. That's a mental health issue.
Well your taking the literal interpepretation. You know exactly what was meant and are spinning it around. I think everyone can understand what your saying as well as what the post your trying to argue is saying. Both are completely valid, playing it off as if its some unfathomable rambling of the insane is cheap. We could throw analogies back and forth or both sides could understand where the other side is coming from. Not to mention, as Survoc said, RMT, which is SOE's baby, means you actually reinforced the opinion you where just calling mentally retarded.
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Basically my point is that someone taking your car/house/tractor/etc. are things that affect a persons real life. These are real life issues.
A company changing a game to something you don't like is not on the same scale..at all. I take your car/house/tractor/etc., I've caused you financial and emotional distress. I change a game you play, you cancel your sub and find another game. If changing a game causes the same emotional distress as losing real life items, as it appears it does to some of the more "outspoken" vets apparently, that's not SOEs' fault. That's a mental health issue.
Zorvan, I'm not disagreeing with you here but look at it from my point of view. I'm disabled. I can't do much. I want to do things like I used to be able to do, but when I try it only makes me worse. Playing SW:G, at the time, made me feel sort of normal again. I had friends to talk to and I didn't feel like I was trapped anymore by my disability. As I've stated before, there was quite along thread on the official forums when the NGE came out, of other people who were disabled who lost a way to reach out to a world they feel isolated from.
Now, I don't come here and rant everyday like others do. I have moved on and have tried other MMOs, like you and I both tried the other notrorious MMO, which shall remain nameless . I just don't want you to think that everyone who had an emotional attachment to SW:G has mental issues either.
Originally posted by Zorvan Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi Originally posted by Zorvan Originally posted by HashBrick It's so easy for someone to say pff w/e get over it when it hasn't happened to you. I'll come over there take your car/truck/suv/4-wheeler/motorcycle/snow mobile/golf cart/lawn mower/weed eater/garden tiller/tractor/farm equipment/bus/semi think I got em all and then tell you to get over it. Not going to fly is it? Exactly. You are comparing real life with a virtual damn game. A hobby, a pass time. The concept of even attempting to equate the real to the virtual is laughable at best, and tragically sad at worst. So yes. Get over it.
Not that im agreeing or disagreeing, but he seems to be comparing a product to a product. Not something that occured inside the game specifically to something in the real world. Soe ruined a product that people loved...and people got upset. He seems to be saying "you'd be upset too if a product you have is ruined", so saying "get over it" only works if you could care less that any product, whatever it is, a game a car, ect.. you enjoy could be ruined. I dont see how thats comparing real life with a virtual damn game. Basically my point is that someone taking your car/house/tractor/etc. are things that affect a persons real life. These are real life issues. A company changing a game to something you don't like is not on the same scale..at all. I take your car/house/tractor/etc., I've caused you financial and emotional distress. I change a game you play, you cancel your sub and find another game. If changing a game causes the same emotional distress as losing real life items, as it appears it does to some of the more "outspoken" vets apparently, that's not SOEs' fault. That's a mental health issue.
The point is Zorvan losing something love/need, some people need to escape this world and doing so they result to MMOs, while some may see it as a game some see it as a second life. Either way it was a hobby I loved and it's gone. It's not something you can just let go and move on, I had an emotional attachment to it. I did have emotional stress, lots of it, at the time I played SWG I had a customer service job, I resulted to SWG to get away from all the bs I had to take from the customers all day. Yes I still had a life, I still went out, I still partied, golfed, skateboard, went outside, but when I had nothing going on this is where I'd be. You need to see it from this view Zorvan, you may not need to escape the world and you view it as a virtual hoax, but many like me didn't and we are suffering from withdrawal and only the memories keep us sane.
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Basically my point is that someone taking your car/house/tractor/etc. are things that affect a persons real life. These are real life issues.
A company changing a game to something you don't like is not on the same scale..at all. I take your car/house/tractor/etc., I've caused you financial and emotional distress. I change a game you play, you cancel your sub and find another game. If changing a game causes the same emotional distress as losing real life items, as it appears it does to some of the more "outspoken" vets apparently, that's not SOEs' fault. That's a mental health issue.
Zorvan, I'm not disagreeing with you here but look at it from my point of view. I'm disabled. I can't do much. I want to do things like I used to be able to do, but when I try it only makes me worse. Playing SW:G, at the time, made me feel sort of normal again. I had friends to talk to and I didn't feel like I was trapped anymore by my disability. As I've stated before, there was quite along thread on the official forums when the NGE came out, of other people who were disabled who lost a way to reach out to a world they feel isolated from.
Now, I don't come here and rant everyday like others do. I have moved on and have tried other MMOs, like you and I both tried the other notrorious MMO, which shall remain nameless . I just don't want you to think that everyone who had an emotional attachment to SW:G has mental issues either.
My apologies. In some instances, an emotional attachment could indeed be warranted. Sometimes my view narrows down to a fine point, and it takes someone making a point such as yours to widen that view up again.
Your wrong logon again Mos Eisley during prime time has +100 coming and leaving for buffs for about 3 hours straight I play every day there so I think I know what I'm talking about.
StarSider has grown to the point its starting to get chat lag just like Bira and Bloodfin. The game is growing on the populated servers while the others servers are drying up. I'm sorry your sad but A lot of us are having fun. So stop posting false information please!
Been staying out of these threads.. but since I saw it on the front page.. I'll return.
My simple response... post a screenshot... of this 100 players in Mos Eisley... that dont' have 15 letter names that have no vowels in them (aka gold spammers etc).
I can login anytime .. day/night... any day of the week and I've not seen anything close to that since the NGE landed.
If you like the game.. that is cool.. totally fine by me. It still isn't going to make me see 100 players in that town.
Obraik, you and Krenn'sa are cool peeps. I returned on a trial because I did love the game at one time and played way too many hours. I wanted to recapture the feeling I had then but the nge has made the game a barren wasteland not like the community it once was. The game needs some serious graphical, ui, and gameplay mechanic updates or combination of a rollback and updates even then I don't think that's going to help. Logged in to find friends list all offline not really a surprise but hey. Continued on from planet to planet, cantina to cantina, old hangouts to old hangouts and guess what? Empty. I have 12 days left on my trial but this game really is a shell of it's former self and it's sad. Good luck to those that still enjoy it and hope to see you in the next!
Times change, as have the hangout areas. Where were these old hangouts you spoke of? Eisley and Restuss are the main hubs these days.
Tonight was your first night back?
You mean the only real hubs right?
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
This is another major ethical issue that this game faces... The CURRENT players will falsify server populations to entice new games to subscribe to SWG...
I encourage ANYONE that plays this game, right now, to post a screenshot with 100 people in Mos Eisley or Rustess...
I've spent time on both and I will make a 100% assurance, that on the Bloodfin server, just a few months ago, the MOST people I EVER saw at EITHER place, on perhaps the most populated server SWG has to offer is 25, and that INCLUDES credit spammers.
While people may or may not like SWG I don't believe it is right for someone to openly lie to others just to get them to subscribe.
I would love to see a screenshot that shows 100 people in Mos Eisley, taken since December of 2005. It isn't going to happen.
Obraik, I haven't played SWG in a long while and just laughed my ass off at your comment about how populated the server was in that picture.
First, look at the comment stating that this was the most they had seen on in a long time. Secondly, your time of 12:30am (just after Midnight) makes me laugh too. Look at the bottom right of the pic.......The time is 6:26 pm. EST isn't that far off the game server time and personally you just looked as if you were falsely trying to prove a point of which your own picture proved you were wrong.
I am like many others who quit when they made the huge changes to the game, as it totally ruined the atmosphere and playability, but I don't usually post about it. After seeing your statement and picture showing the sad shape of the game I just had to give a reply. Also, that UI is the most hideous I have ever seen and ask is it a personal one or the ingame one.
Obraik, I haven't played SWG in a long while and just laughed my ass off at your comment about how populated the server was in that picture.
First, look at the comment stating that this was the most they had seen on in a long time. Secondly, your time of 12:30am (just after Midnight) makes me laugh too. Look at the bottom right of the pic.......The time is 6:26 pm. EST isn't that far off the game server time and personally you just looked as if you were falsely trying to prove a point of which your own picture proved you were wrong.
I am like many others who quit when they made the huge changes to the game, as it totally ruined the atmosphere and playability, but I don't usually post about it. After seeing your statement and picture showing the sad shape of the game I just had to give a reply. Also, that UI is the most hideous I have ever seen and ask is it a personal one or the ingame one.
The comment by Atine? He was commenting more about people at the Dant MO which admitedly, isn't all that common these days. However it is Atine and no one on the server likes Atine for all his whining he's done over the last 3-4 years :P
The times you see in the screenshot are in NZ time, since I live in in NZ and my PC is set to NZ time
Skipping all this yaddayaddayadda, let me tell you there were *NO SUCH THREADS* that existed complaining about server population before the NGE or CU. Why are they constantly popping up now?
People from Bria, Chilastra, Bloodfin and StarSider need to look at the 21 other servers.
Skipping all this yaddayaddayadda, let me tell you there were *NO SUCH THREADS* that existed complaining about server population before the NGE or CU. Why are they constantly popping up now? People from Bria, Chilastra, Bloodfin and StarSider need to look at the 21 other servers.
Why would they care? The NGE was designed for selfish immature people and now that they have all migrated to four servers they couldn't care less about the rest of the players.
When will you learn. Obraik is one of the biggest SWG fanboys around. He secretly works for SOE. To him 2 players is 2000, when in reality it's only 2.
Skipping all this yaddayaddayadda, let me tell you there were *NO SUCH THREADS* that existed complaining about server population before the NGE or CU. Why are they constantly popping up now? People from Bria, Chilastra, Bloodfin and StarSider need to look at the 21 other servers.
Why would they care? The NGE was designed for selfish immature people and now that they have all migrated to four servers they couldn't care less about the rest of the players.
Yes, we're all selfish people . Chilastra is the server I've been playing on since July 2003.
And yes, people DID complain about the populations before the NGE. Even back then people were asking for screenshots to proove that my server wasn't dead. Every game seems to have these sorta claims though, even WoW surprisingly.
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Like any mmo thats about as old as swg is.. it's not really doing any worse than most old mmos.
As for the fact that lots of buildings survived reclaiming when that happened last year.. I was in the game at the time, and mostly what happened was people with active accounts due to being station passed didnt have to worry about their buildings going bye bye.. which is a lot of people apparently
Nah, nothing has sunk as fast as SWG did after the NGE, there's some old games that are still going strong: the Everquest 2, Lineage, Final Fantasy, heck even City of Heroes. But none of the games the past has lost so many subscribers in such a short time like SWG did, plus pretty much all the other SOE titles has dropped drastically in mid-2006.
Like any mmo thats about as old as swg is.. it's not really doing any worse than most old mmos.
As for the fact that lots of buildings survived reclaiming when that happened last year.. I was in the game at the time, and mostly what happened was people with active accounts due to being station passed didnt have to worry about their buildings going bye bye.. which is a lot of people apparently
SWG has NOT followed the normal cycle, not sure what you are basing this on...
I don't know of ANY other MMO that lost over 100,000 subscriptions in the course of 1 month. 1 month...
Think about that SUDDEN loss of revenue for a second. 100,000 X $14.95.
Most games in the MMO world follow the cycle of marketable goods. They are born, they grow rapidly, then they begin to decline.
SWG began to decline only when the CU was implemented. SWG DIED for all intents and purposes when the NGE went live.
No matter how much some of you sugarcoat this sort of business behaviors, if you were to sit down with ANY SOE/LEC executive and ask him/her if they are happy with the way the NGE took place and has limped along, they will tell you no.
Tecmo Bowl.
Not that im agreeing or disagreeing, but he seems to be comparing a product to a product. Not something that occured inside the game specifically to something in the real world. Soe ruined a product that people loved...and people got upset. He seems to be saying "you'd be upset too if a product you have is ruined", so saying "get over it" only works if you could care less that any product, whatever it is, a game a car, ect.. you enjoy could be ruined. I dont see how thats comparing real life with a virtual damn game.
If you really want to compare product to a product look at WoW. It has one of the largest subscriber bases that any MMo has ever had, regardless of how they come up with their numbers through f2p/penny accounts. They have servers that are near empty and barely make 1k people each night both alliance and horde. They have not merged nor gotten rid of many of these servers. They simply tell people on high population to switch to them.I am not saying they are in the right, but when people compare products they have to look at what is available, and even the "Most Successful" Mmo is to blame for leaving barren servers running. It is just the nature of the beast. There will always be high population servers and low population servers.
Also I have been kicked out of home depot the second i walked in the door, but that was because I told him the toilets in the plumbing section didn't flush last time I was in and he may want to check it out.
Regardless of when SWG lost subscribers the loss happens, and companies know that. None the less all these MMo's still make money and that is all that matters. If SWG was no longer making a nice profit I can tell you SOE would drop it like a ton of bricks.
Not that im agreeing or disagreeing, but he seems to be comparing a product to a product. Not something that occured inside the game specifically to something in the real world. Soe ruined a product that people loved...and people got upset. He seems to be saying "you'd be upset too if a product you have is ruined", so saying "get over it" only works if you could care less that any product, whatever it is, a game a car, ect.. you enjoy could be ruined. I dont see how thats comparing real life with a virtual damn game.
Basically my point is that someone taking your car/house/tractor/etc. are things that affect a persons real life. These are real life issues.A company changing a game to something you don't like is not on the same scale..at all. I take your car/house/tractor/etc., I've caused you financial and emotional distress. I change a game you play, you cancel your sub and find another game.
If changing a game causes the same emotional distress as losing real life items, as it appears it does to some of the more "outspoken" vets apparently, that's not SOEs' fault. That's a mental health issue.
Not that im agreeing or disagreeing, but he seems to be comparing a product to a product. Not something that occured inside the game specifically to something in the real world. Soe ruined a product that people loved...and people got upset. He seems to be saying "you'd be upset too if a product you have is ruined", so saying "get over it" only works if you could care less that any product, whatever it is, a game a car, ect.. you enjoy could be ruined. I dont see how thats comparing real life with a virtual damn game.
Basically my point is that someone taking your car/house/tractor/etc. are things that affect a persons real life. These are real life issues.A company changing a game to something you don't like is not on the same scale..at all. I take your car/house/tractor/etc., I've caused you financial and emotional distress. I change a game you play, you cancel your sub and find another game.
If changing a game causes the same emotional distress as losing real life items, as it appears it does to some of the more "outspoken" vets apparently, that's not SOEs' fault. That's a mental health issue.
Will RMT's affect your opinion?
Not that im agreeing or disagreeing, but he seems to be comparing a product to a product. Not something that occured inside the game specifically to something in the real world. Soe ruined a product that people loved...and people got upset. He seems to be saying "you'd be upset too if a product you have is ruined", so saying "get over it" only works if you could care less that any product, whatever it is, a game a car, ect.. you enjoy could be ruined. I dont see how thats comparing real life with a virtual damn game.
Basically my point is that someone taking your car/house/tractor/etc. are things that affect a persons real life. These are real life issues.A company changing a game to something you don't like is not on the same scale..at all. I take your car/house/tractor/etc., I've caused you financial and emotional distress. I change a game you play, you cancel your sub and find another game.
If changing a game causes the same emotional distress as losing real life items, as it appears it does to some of the more "outspoken" vets apparently, that's not SOEs' fault. That's a mental health issue.
I think there is a fine line...
Person A: 2000 hours logged in Pre-CU SWG, that = 83.3 FULL DAYS of play time. $358.8 spent for 2 years active account (1 account) + whatever Person A paid for game box.
At some point SOE has an obligation to that gamer to maintain honest and forthright service to said gamer.
We do not have laws that currently regulate this. As long as the MMO market grows, which it will, we will see more and more laws created to protect the consumer. It's the evolution of business in a free market, the consumer MUST be protected.
Tecmo Bowl.
I won't argue the "good people" part but I played Starsider the day it was born up until this last "free trial".
I will not be able to agree that its "populated".
Altho it could be more populated than the other US servers (besides the two you mention).
I can sell stuff easily if I put it up for sale... but it makes me feel like I am going to be violently ill every time I log into the game.
Mostly due to all the places that are empty... half of a dead city here.. half there.. because large parts got missed in the pack-up somehow. Its like the end of that Hoosiers movie...
You see this big empty gym... no one on the court.. dust bunnies in the air.. but you can hear the voices of those who were there.
makes me sad.
Your wrong logon again Mos Eisley during prime time has +100 coming and leaving for buffs for about 3 hours straight I play every day there so I think I know what I'm talking about.StarSider has grown to the point its starting to get chat lag just like Bira and Bloodfin.
The game is growing on the populated servers while the others servers are drying up.
I'm sorry your sad but A lot of us are having fun.
So stop posting false information please!
Are you saying there's a 100 unique players running back and forth over 3 hours or you see 100 players running back and forth? I suspect it's about 10-15 who are zerging about trying to get their ub3r buffs!!1
Game is dead. The subscriptions are drying up and more and more ppl are leaving all the time. New players? Nope...not enough to replace the regulars who had stuck it out just to throw in the towels...
Not that im agreeing or disagreeing, but he seems to be comparing a product to a product. Not something that occured inside the game specifically to something in the real world. Soe ruined a product that people loved...and people got upset. He seems to be saying "you'd be upset too if a product you have is ruined", so saying "get over it" only works if you could care less that any product, whatever it is, a game a car, ect.. you enjoy could be ruined. I dont see how thats comparing real life with a virtual damn game.
Basically my point is that someone taking your car/house/tractor/etc. are things that affect a persons real life. These are real life issues.A company changing a game to something you don't like is not on the same scale..at all. I take your car/house/tractor/etc., I've caused you financial and emotional distress. I change a game you play, you cancel your sub and find another game.
If changing a game causes the same emotional distress as losing real life items, as it appears it does to some of the more "outspoken" vets apparently, that's not SOEs' fault. That's a mental health issue.
Well your taking the literal interpepretation. You know exactly what was meant and are spinning it around. I think everyone can understand what your saying as well as what the post your trying to argue is saying. Both are completely valid, playing it off as if its some unfathomable rambling of the insane is cheap. We could throw analogies back and forth or both sides could understand where the other side is coming from. Not to mention, as Survoc said, RMT, which is SOE's baby, means you actually reinforced the opinion you where just calling mentally retarded.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Now, I don't come here and rant everyday like others do. I have moved on and have tried other MMOs, like you and I both tried the other notrorious MMO, which shall remain nameless
. I just don't want you to think that everyone who had an emotional attachment to SW:G has mental issues either.
Not that im agreeing or disagreeing, but he seems to be comparing a product to a product. Not something that occured inside the game specifically to something in the real world. Soe ruined a product that people loved...and people got upset. He seems to be saying "you'd be upset too if a product you have is ruined", so saying "get over it" only works if you could care less that any product, whatever it is, a game a car, ect.. you enjoy could be ruined. I dont see how thats comparing real life with a virtual damn game.
Basically my point is that someone taking your car/house/tractor/etc. are things that affect a persons real life. These are real life issues.
A company changing a game to something you don't like is not on the same scale..at all. I take your car/house/tractor/etc., I've caused you financial and emotional distress. I change a game you play, you cancel your sub and find another game.
If changing a game causes the same emotional distress as losing real life items, as it appears it does to some of the more "outspoken" vets apparently, that's not SOEs' fault. That's a mental health issue.
The point is Zorvan losing something love/need, some people need to escape this world and doing so they result to MMOs, while some may see it as a game some see it as a second life. Either way it was a hobby I loved and it's gone. It's not something you can just let go and move on, I had an emotional attachment to it. I did have emotional stress, lots of it, at the time I played SWG I had a customer service job, I resulted to SWG to get away from all the bs I had to take from the customers all day. Yes I still had a life, I still went out, I still partied, golfed, skateboard, went outside, but when I had nothing going on this is where I'd be. You need to see it from this view Zorvan, you may not need to escape the world and you view it as a virtual hoax, but many like me didn't and we are suffering from withdrawal and only the memories keep us sane.
Now, I don't come here and rant everyday like others do. I have moved on and have tried other MMOs, like you and I both tried the other notrorious MMO, which shall remain nameless
. I just don't want you to think that everyone who had an emotional attachment to SW:G has mental issues either.
My apologies. In some instances, an emotional attachment could indeed be warranted. Sometimes my view narrows down to a fine point, and it takes someone making a point such as yours to widen that view up again.
Edit: My apologies to Hashbrick as well.
My simple response... post a screenshot... of this 100 players in Mos Eisley... that dont' have 15 letter names that have no vowels in them (aka gold spammers etc).
I can login anytime .. day/night... any day of the week and I've not seen anything close to that since the NGE landed.
If you like the game.. that is cool.. totally fine by me. It still isn't going to make me see 100 players in that town.
Tonight was your first night back?
You mean the only real hubs right?
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
This is another major ethical issue that this game faces... The CURRENT players will falsify server populations to entice new games to subscribe to SWG...
I encourage ANYONE that plays this game, right now, to post a screenshot with 100 people in Mos Eisley or Rustess...
I've spent time on both and I will make a 100% assurance, that on the Bloodfin server, just a few months ago, the MOST people I EVER saw at EITHER place, on perhaps the most populated server SWG has to offer is 25, and that INCLUDES credit spammers.
While people may or may not like SWG I don't believe it is right for someone to openly lie to others just to get them to subscribe.
I would love to see a screenshot that shows 100 people in Mos Eisley, taken since December of 2005. It isn't going to happen.
Tecmo Bowl.
Not 100 people, more like 50ish (yeah, I counted the dots...) at the Dant MO a couple of weeks ago at around 12:30am on a Tuesday US EST.
Obraik, I haven't played SWG in a long while and just laughed my ass off at your comment about how populated the server was in that picture.
First, look at the comment stating that this was the most they had seen on in a long time. Secondly, your time of 12:30am (just after Midnight) makes me laugh too. Look at the bottom right of the pic.......The time is 6:26 pm. EST isn't that far off the game server time and personally you just looked as if you were falsely trying to prove a point of which your own picture proved you were wrong.
I am like many others who quit when they made the huge changes to the game, as it totally ruined the atmosphere and playability, but I don't usually post about it. After seeing your statement and picture showing the sad shape of the game I just had to give a reply. Also, that UI is the most hideous I have ever seen and ask is it a personal one or the ingame one.
How about an in game date stamp? Pictures are meaningless without proof of validity.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
The times you see in the screenshot are in NZ time, since I live in in NZ and my PC is set to NZ time
See the sign off time of the person in the chat box for a date and time stamp
Skipping all this yaddayaddayadda, let me tell you there were *NO SUCH THREADS* that existed complaining about server population before the NGE or CU. Why are they constantly popping up now?
People from Bria, Chilastra, Bloodfin and StarSider need to look at the 21 other servers.
Why would they care? The NGE was designed for selfish immature people and now that they have all migrated to four servers they couldn't care less about the rest of the players.
When will you learn. Obraik is one of the biggest SWG fanboys around. He secretly works for SOE. To him 2 players is 2000, when in reality it's only 2.
"Everything is mine and your woman too"
Why would they care? The NGE was designed for selfish immature people and now that they have all migrated to four servers they couldn't care less about the rest of the players.
Yes, we're all selfish peopleAnd yes, people DID complain about the populations before the NGE. Even back then people were asking for screenshots to proove that my server wasn't dead. Every game seems to have these sorta claims though, even WoW surprisingly.