I think the raid gear kinda sucks personally. I ONLY wear it when I do a raid. And theres no noticeable difference to be honest. I do notice a difference when I PVP or solo..my raid gear is clearly worse for that. Im not sure what you mean by the best though.
Heh... pay him no mind Fikus. He's on a totally different crusade... has been for years now. Trouble is even the game he plays is more "raid-centric" than LoTRo.
For those who haven't played much of LoTRo, or gotten any characters to the end game; they don't realize that LoTRo is the first MMO (that I've played anyway) that truly gives you the freedom to acquire the "best" items from whatever gameplay you enjoy.
Go to any site that talks about end-game gear and you'll find 3-5 different items for every slot listed as the "best" for that class. Even then, those "best" items are situational. A lot of the Raid gear is only best for... you guessed it... Raiding! Exactly what Anofalye has been preaching for years.
The best items for Grouping come from the Epic books and other 6-man instance runs... exactly where you would expect to get them. The same goes for crafting and PvP. Each play-style lays claim to the "best" items. Too bad that some are so jaded that they can't admit a game finally produced what they've been on a crusade for all these years.
Edit: Forgot to second the statement by solareus as well. Any gear that you perchance may want from another playstyle can be purchased off the AH. Like that cool class-set raid gear, but don't like raiding? Buy it. Like that cool crafted gear, but don't like crafting? Buy it. Like that cool PvP gear, but don't like PvP? Buy it.
The one area that you can't purchase the vast majority of the good drops is grouping. The "best" items are quest items that are bound to your character, so if you want the grouping items you'll have to do that content yourselves. So... Anofalye... what exactly is your contention with LoTRo again? Hmm...
I have only been on a raid once. months ago i went on a helegord raid. Never got anything from it other than silver and trash loot.
I don't craft all my characters are explorers who collect needed materials for the crafting kinship i run. So guess what i don't have to go to the AH to get crafted items. I just ask my kinship to craft the items for me.
I have yet to see the importance of items in this game. they are so easy to come by that i don't even put a thought to getting a certain set. Cause there are so many differant sets that do differant things to improve your character.
I been playing this game since the beginning of closed beta. going on a year and a half. I have yet to do everything in the game. Heck i just finally finished my first legendary skill.
You kids are more delusional than Bioshock fans. This is not a "GREAT GAME". This is an MMO behind a HUGE IP with tons of zealots that are too stubborn to realize when a game is "meh".
Congrats.
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Exactly what Anofalye has been preaching for years.
The best items for Grouping come from the Epic books and other 6-man instance runs... exactly where you would expect to get them. The same goes for crafting and PvP. Each play-style lays claim to the "best" items. Too bad that some are so jaded that they can't admit a game finally produced what they've been on a crusade for all these years.
Edit: Forgot to second the statement by solareus as well. Any gear that you perchance may want from another playstyle can be purchased off the AH. Like that cool class-set raid gear, but don't like raiding? Buy it. Like that cool crafted gear, but don't like crafting? Buy it. Like that cool PvP gear, but don't like PvP? Buy it. The one area that you can't purchase the vast majority of the good drops is grouping. The "best" items are quest items that are bound to your character, so if you want the grouping items you'll have to do that content yourselves. So... Anofalye... what exactly is your contention with LoTRo again? Hmm...
If what you say is true, then I am really missing much.
However. I don't trust it! The devs, the way they talk, it was like Brad! Especially some snarky comments they made over the years. Is that true or just an apparence? See, I could probably make you believe anything I want in a game you never played. Since you don't know the system...
I clearly remember the devs with their Oh-we-oh post saying that to raiding we go. And all the implications about this post that non-raiders...see, how am I supposed to TRUST a game dev like that with hundred of hours of my free time?
Is there a way to prove what you say? Datas, something! Last I check a game, it was supposed that you don't need to raid in WoW, but again, it was just another lie. And I am extremely fed up with all these lies. ATM, I feel like an EvE fanboi is talking to me that I can be happy PvEing in his game, knowing full well I can't. So he can makes a dirty pwn dance afterward.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I totally agree 100%, LOTRO is an amazing game, and deserves all the praise it gets.
Though I do believe AoC may pull off just as much praise, because that too look like an amazing game. I wouldn't say it will be a decade to do what Turbine did with LOTRO, because it is very likely.
Most respect to the Turbine team, both DDO and LOTRO, they are by far my favorite MMORPG's.
Exactly what Anofalye has been preaching for years.
The best items for Grouping come from the Epic books and other 6-man instance runs... exactly where you would expect to get them. The same goes for crafting and PvP. Each play-style lays claim to the "best" items. Too bad that some are so jaded that they can't admit a game finally produced what they've been on a crusade for all these years.
Edit: Forgot to second the statement by solareus as well. Any gear that you perchance may want from another playstyle can be purchased off the AH. Like that cool class-set raid gear, but don't like raiding? Buy it. Like that cool crafted gear, but don't like crafting? Buy it. Like that cool PvP gear, but don't like PvP? Buy it. The one area that you can't purchase the vast majority of the good drops is grouping. The "best" items are quest items that are bound to your character, so if you want the grouping items you'll have to do that content yourselves. So... Anofalye... what exactly is your contention with LoTRo again? Hmm...
If what you say is true, then I am really missing much.
However. I don't trust it! The devs, the way they talk, it was like Brad! Especially some snarky comments they made over the years. Is that true or just an apparence? See, I could probably make you believe anything I want in a game you never played. Since you don't know the system...
I clearly remember the devs with their Oh-we-oh post saying that to raiding we go. And all the implications about this post that non-raiders...see, how am I supposed to TRUST a game dev like that with hundred of hours of my free time?
Is there a way to prove what you say? Datas, something! Last I check a game, it was supposed that you don't need to raid in WoW, but again, it was just another lie. And I am extremely fed up with all these lies. ATM, I feel like an EvE fanboi is talking to me that I can be happy PvEing in his game, knowing full well I can't. So he can makes a dirty pwn dance afterward.
Well it's your loss.
Not really sure what kind of "proof" would suffice. Who's to say that any "proof" that I offer is doctored, or whatever. So, in the end you are still left with believing those who are offering up this "proof". There are numerous posts on this forum and you could look on the official forums... wherever. I suppose we could all be lying though... so in the end you're at the same point.
It comes down to this. The epic book quests (grouping), 6-man instances (grouping), and regular quests (grouping) have equal if not better items than:
Reputation (which can be done with grouping or solo)
MPvP (which can be done with grouping)
Raiding (even some "raids" in LoTRo can be done in 6-man groups, so is that raiding or grouping?)
Crafting (mostly solo, although grouping does acquire resources faster.)
Even if you did determine that there was an item you wanted from one of the other play-style areas... you could just buy it from the AH. No need to ever leave your favorite play-style.
The Epic book quests are truly the best group content ever created in an MMO. It's a shame that you're missing it.
lol yeah I agree the game was great for me also untill there was nothing left to do except for there lame pvp. For anyone thats a power gamer or elitetest this game is not for you. In 1 week and 3 days of game time I maxed this game out. The pvp is just a zerg fest of noobs just trying to get there pvp armor.
Does insecurity or poor self-image run rampant in some haters of this game (and others)? Or perhaps some wildly deluded sense of superiority? Either way, it's uncanny to me how some can't just voice their opinion without having to apply the self-edifying "elite" and "power-gamer" labels to themselves - as though somehow those labels entitles them to more respect or something.
Even funnier is when they do that in a game geared toward casual players. "Rawr... your game - well-known as a casual-friendly MMO - does nothing for an elite power-gamer like me!!" -puff chest-
You're informing everyone that a game not designed with your "hardcore playstyle" in mind... doesn't appeal to you. Bravo!
And in the end, the real absurdity is you're posturing over pixels on a computer screen. It really isn't as impressive as you think. Seriously.
Just makes me chuckle.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Exactly what Anofalye has been preaching for years.
The best items for Grouping come from the Epic books and other 6-man instance runs... exactly where you would expect to get them. The same goes for crafting and PvP. Each play-style lays claim to the "best" items. Too bad that some are so jaded that they can't admit a game finally produced what they've been on a crusade for all these years.
Edit: Forgot to second the statement by solareus as well. Any gear that you perchance may want from another playstyle can be purchased off the AH. Like that cool class-set raid gear, but don't like raiding? Buy it. Like that cool crafted gear, but don't like crafting? Buy it. Like that cool PvP gear, but don't like PvP? Buy it. The one area that you can't purchase the vast majority of the good drops is grouping. The "best" items are quest items that are bound to your character, so if you want the grouping items you'll have to do that content yourselves. So... Anofalye... what exactly is your contention with LoTRo again? Hmm...
If what you say is true, then I am really missing much.
However. I don't trust it! The devs, the way they talk, it was like Brad! Especially some snarky comments they made over the years. Is that true or just an apparence? See, I could probably make you believe anything I want in a game you never played. Since you don't know the system...
I clearly remember the devs with their Oh-we-oh post saying that to raiding we go. And all the implications about this post that non-raiders...see, how am I supposed to TRUST a game dev like that with hundred of hours of my free time?
Is there a way to prove what you say? Datas, something! Last I check a game, it was supposed that you don't need to raid in WoW, but again, it was just another lie. And I am extremely fed up with all these lies. ATM, I feel like an EvE fanboi is talking to me that I can be happy PvEing in his game, knowing full well I can't. So he can makes a dirty pwn dance afterward.
Well it's your loss.
Not really sure what kind of "proof" would suffice. Who's to say that any "proof" that I offer is doctored, or whatever. So, in the end you are still left with believing those who are offering up this "proof". There are numerous posts on this forum and you could look on the official forums... wherever. I suppose we could all be lying though... so in the end you're at the same point.
It comes down to this. The epic book quests (grouping), 6-man instances (grouping), and regular quests (grouping) have equal if not better items than:
Reputation (which can be done with grouping or solo)
MPvP (which can be done with grouping)
Raiding (even some "raids" in LoTRo can be done in 6-man groups, so is that raiding or grouping?)
Crafting (mostly solo, although grouping does acquire resources faster.)
Even if you did determine that there was an item you wanted from one of the other play-style areas... you could just buy it from the AH. No need to ever leave your favorite play-style.
The Epic book quests are truly the best group content ever created in an MMO. It's a shame that you're missing it.
The first time that you see Sauron's eye on YOU should leave no doubt in your mind about this.
lol yeah I agree the game was great for me also untill there was nothing left to do except for there lame pvp. For anyone thats a power gamer or elitetest this game is not for you. In 1 week and 3 days of game time I maxed this game out. The pvp is just a zerg fest of noobs just trying to get there pvp armor.
Does insecurity or poor self-image run rampant in some haters of this game (and others)? Or perhaps some wildly deluded sense of superiority? Either way, it's uncanny to me how some can't just voice their opinion without having to apply the self-edifying "elite" and "power-gamer" labels to themselves - as though somehow those labels entitles them to more respect or something.
Even funnier is when they do that in a game geared toward casual players. "Rawr... your game - well-known as a casual-friendly MMO - does nothing for an elite power-gamer like me!!" -puff chest-
You're informing everyone that a game not designed with your "hardcore playstyle" in mind... doesn't appeal to you. Bravo!
And in the end, the real absurdity is you're posturing over pixels on a computer screen. It really isn't as impressive as you think. Seriously.
Just makes me chuckle.
Kick him harder while he's down! *chuckles* It amuses me
Playing FFXI but I really want to give this game a serious try. Just that the character animations turned me off.
Note to self: try LoTRO but do not make a male elf...
What will I miss stats-wise if I don't PvP nor Raid whatsoever? And don't consider purchasing/selling items. (Raid is anything which requires more than 1 full group, so 9 peoples or more = raiding)
The only MMO I play for an extended period of time since I stop EQ, it is CoX...and I have access to EVERYTHING in my groups. Now, if something is useless in PvE-grouping, I wouldn't care...but...will I miss even 1 hp? I lack enought to actually needs each and every hp I can find. :P
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I am still afraid. (blame it on EQ) :P What will I miss stats-wise if I don't PvP nor Raid whatsoever? And don't consider purchasing/selling items. (Raid is anything which requires more than 1 full group, so 9 peoples or more = raiding)
If you don't PvP you miss getting a black horse at rank9 (handful of people ever had made it worldwide)
If you don't raid you miss raid gear, but having crafted gear instead doesn't matter at all. As other posters have said, LotRO crafting isnt fubared, but creates items that are better than loot or quest rewards at lower levels and equal or better than raid/PvP stuff in the top end.
The beaty of crafting system is - at least with my trade, jewelry - that actually the best crafted sets need to have a mix of common items crafted from multi-use recipes and then some rare single use items thrown in. But even an all multi-use recipe "el cheapo" high end jewelry set is "good enough" for about everything.
You can tailor the sets and choose the pieces according your preferences and playstyle, my experience this far has been that there is not one absolute character template. Interestingly enough, the trait system, different stats on gear etc. actually make the character classes far broader than the quick look reveals. And everything doable without entering a single raid or PvP.
There is crafting changes in the horizon - book 13 or 14, but based on devteams comments so far, crafting is getting more love and not nerfing
I play LOTRO , and never ever even considered raiding in my wildest dream. Its PVE game , and having the bestest equipment is not mandatory at all. And its not even for show, because in LOTRO you dont have to wear (show) your equipment, so people run in cosmetic clothes anyway....
14 day trial is free , and you can get to level 20 in a few days, so you can at least get a taste of some of the group quest , like in the Great Barrow . I'm Currently in Evendim finishing up something up there and that Lake is awesome, I;ve never seen a lake that big in a mmo game. There is probably bigger lakes in a game somewhere, but the Evendim is massive, and the best part about it, my fps don't sdrop , at all. It is the most lag free body of water I've ever seen. Over all performanc e makes this a Great Game as well.
Isn't it 7 day trial?
What I really hate is that you can't dive in LOTRO. Lake Evendim would have been great for that boats would be nice too.
Whats your opsesion with raiding Anofayle... I play LOTRO , and never ever even considered raiding in my wildest dream. Its PVE game , and having the bestest equipment is not mandatory at all. And its not even for show, because in LOTRO you dont have to wear (show) your equipment, so people run in cosmetic clothes anyway....
It is mandatory for me. I play a game where everything is around leveling up and progressing.
And the more I read the various answers, the more this saying come to my mind: "He who accept to sacrifice either Freedom or Justice for the sake of the other, deserve neither." - Insert whatever rightfull source which I don't know.
See, been 1% less efficient because I don't PvP or Raid is NOT acceptable from a grouping perspective. It is not the amount, it is the principle. Best groupers, have to be groupers...not peoples who raid+PvP+group+ whatever else...only groupers. I use to be kinda open minded on the topic, and see what happen in EQ when you are open minded about this. The door is close. Best groupers have to be groupers.
So again, if I don't have any PvP/Raid gear/whatever badge or other bonuses these give, will my stats be missing anything in PvE combats? DragonAce says no, althought not to that precise question and althought I doubt he understand my question fully. Been shafted by 1%, 10% or 50% is not acceptable, the amount is irrelevant, the principle is all which matter. Best "mandatory" bonuses must all be accessible throught the gameplays I enjoy, or I will just not play. Having 1 less HP is NOT acceptable. I "need" all to be in my gameplays.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Whats your opsesion with raiding Anofayle... I play LOTRO , and never ever even considered raiding in my wildest dream. Its PVE game , and having the bestest equipment is not mandatory at all. And its not even for show, because in LOTRO you dont have to wear (show) your equipment, so people run in cosmetic clothes anyway....
It is mandatory for me. I play a game where everything is around leveling up and progressing.
And the more I read the various answers, the more this saying come to my mind: "He who accept to sacrifice either Freedom or Justice for the sake of the other, deserve neither." - Insert whatever rightfull source which I don't know.
See, been 1% less efficient because I don't PvP or Raid is NOT acceptable from a grouping perspective. It is not the amount, it is the principle. Best groupers, have to be groupers...not peoples who raid+PvP+group+ whatever else...only groupers. I use to be kinda open minded on the topic, and see what happen in EQ when you are open minded about this. The door is close. Best groupers have to be groupers.
So again, if I don't have any PvP/Raid gear/whatever badge or other bonuses these give, will my stats be missing anything in PvE combats? DragonAce says no, althought not to that precise question and althought I doubt he understand my question fully. Been shafted by 1%, 10% or 50% is not acceptable, the amount is irrelevant, the principle is all which matter. Best "mandatory" bonuses must all be accessible throught the gameplays I enjoy, or I will just not play. Having 1 less HP is NOT acceptable. I "need" all to be in my gameplays.
I could go through every single piece of gear that everyone determines to be the "best"... but here is a good example of the type of choices that LoTRo gives you below.
4 of those cloaks are Raid drops (only 1 of which is BOA), 1 is crafted, and 1 is a group quest reward.
So which one is "best"... well it all depends on what your character determines to be "best". That is the kind of gear choices in LoTRo. Do you want +morale and +power? Do you want +power, +morale, and + vitality? Do you want +might? Do you want +fate? Do you want +stealth? Do you want +evade? It all depends on your character class and your play-style.
This was just a sampling of some of the high-end cloaks available from all areas. There are many more, and the same type of comparisons work across the board for all gear. Which area has the "best"? Well, it all depends on want you are looking for, and how you play your character.
If you are throwing out the AH (which, might I remind you goes against what you've said on previous threads about the subject)... then, yeah... you MIGHT come across a situation, and/or class combination that something from a Raid which MIGHT be considered the "best" would not be available to you.
But as you've mentioned before... the AH is open to all... so not sure why you are changing your argument and throwing out the AH now. That just seems silly. What else are you going to do with all the gold you acquire during your grouping sessions unless you spend in on the AH? It's not like the gold acquired causes extra damage to mobs by carrying it around.
Edit: Forgot to mention. Turbine has officially announced for their upcoming Book 13. No new 12 or 24 man raids. They will be revamping an area that has 3 different 6-man (group) instances, they are adding a huge new area filled with quests (solo and group). They are also adding new hobbies such as fishing. What kind of emphasis does that signal? Every book update also includes a new series of chapters (group quests) that continue the Epic story line.
For full openness on the subject. The last book (book 12) included a new area for MPvP play that allows player groups from both sides to enter a new dungeon depending on the status of the top-side strongholds. They also included the new custom design feature, as well as a re-vamp to the high-end questing (group) area of Angmar.
The book before that, or maybe is was the one before that? (book 11, or 10) included a new raid (The Rift). Turbine has shown a commitment to ALL play-styles. I for one like that direction.
Exquisite Radiant Cloak
Bind on Equip
Cloak
124 Armour
+15 Will
+90 Maximum Power
+30 Fate
+90 Maximum Morale
Durability 40 / 40
Tough
Minimum Level: 47
Worth 11 25
Wig-feld
Bind on Equip
Cloak
124 Armour
Cooldown: 1h
+15 Might
+15 Fate
+90 Maximum Morale
+15 Agility
+15 Vitality
Durability 40 / 40
Tough
Minimum Level: 50
Worth 11 25
Coruchador's Cloak
Bind on Acquire
Unique
Cloak
111 Armour
+22 Maximum Power
+30 Might
+15 Fate
+22 Maximum Morale
+8 Agility
Durability 40 / 40
Normal
Minimum Level: 47
Worth 8
Hammer-mark Cloak
Bind on Equip
Cloak
111 Armour
+15 Agility
+2 Stealth Level
+1 Stealth Detection
+1% Evade Chance
Durability 40 / 40
Normal
Minimum Level: 50
Worth 7 50
Defender's Cloak
Bind on Equip
Cloak
111 Armour
+15 Might
+15 Agility
+8 Vitality
+2% Evade Chance
Durability 40 / 40
Tough
Minimum Level: 50
Worth 7 50
Elrond's Radiant Cloak
Bind on Acquire
Cloak
124 Armour
+15 Will
+90 Maximum Power
+30 Fate
+45 Maximum Morale
+15 Vitality
Durability 40 / 40
Normal
Worth 12
(FYI - 1st is crafted... middle are Raid drop... bottom one is quest)
I now have an open mind toward LotRO and will keep it on my radar. But it is "not enought" for me...yet. I am not going to cede anything which may be usefull in groups to anyone acquiring that outside of group(actually, I would accept crafting even if it would still annoy me). 1 step; or maybe even 100 steps, in the right direction. But me playing a game starts when groupers masters grouping totally on a design level, not before, and with a strong commitment it will always be that way, neither are the case atm. No matter if the game is "casual" or "hardcore".
ATM, some of the best groupers obviously need raid-gear based on this example. This isn't something I can accept. AH is a nice tool, it help smooth things out, but it doesn't correct in itself the core of the issue, even if it smooth it a LOT.
PS: I took over 30 minutes writing this response after reading yours...
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I now have an open mind toward LotRO and will keep it on my radar. But it is "not enought" for me...yet. I am not going to cede anything which may be usefull in groups to anyone acquiring that outside of group(actually, I would accept crafting even if it would still annoy me). 1 step; or maybe even 100 steps, in the right direction. But me playing a game starts when groupers masters grouping totally on a design level, not before, and with a strong commitment it will always be that way, neither are the case atm. No matter if the game is "casual" or "hardcore".
ATM, some of the best groupers obviously need raid-gear based on this example. This isn't something I can accept. AH is a nice tool, it help smooth things out, but it doesn't correct in itself the core of the issue, even if it smooth it a LOT.
PS: I took over 30 minutes writing this response after reading yours...
Well, I'll have to suffice with you having an open mind then.
I'm glad you at least took the time to look at the information presented, as I tried to be as straight-forward as possible with the information. If anyone has more information on the subject, by all means share it. I think that LoTRo stands well on it's game-play for those that find it fun... so no sense trying to fool someone into thinking it's something it's not.
Good luck on your gaming ventures... hopefully we'll see you in LoTRo some day. I have no doubt you would be thoroughly enthralled with the Epic Story line. Hands down the best grouping content ever created!
The raid gear's only real bonus is the stats it gives you for having the complete set. Like 2 pieces gives you a bonus, 6 peices gives you a better bonus. For the raid set it gives you fear damage resistance..which is useful in the raid because they do fear damage. The set bonus isnt really useful outside of that. The stats are still good, but not noticeable IMO. The set bonus for epic armor for burglar , which I've looted in 24 man raids, 6 man group in sanur killing trolls, and solo off a mob in goblin town, gives 20% damage to backstab. The stats other than that may be slightly less than raid, but the 20% damage is far more useful soloing or in pvp than the fear damage resistance. You can also buy the epic armor off the AH where the raid armor cannot. There's also set's of armor you can get in Evendim. Either solo or in groups which are useful for other things. It all depends on what you want to do. Raid armor, from what I've seen, will only help you raid better.
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Heh... pay him no mind Fikus. He's on a totally different crusade... has been for years now. Trouble is even the game he plays is more "raid-centric" than LoTRo.
For those who haven't played much of LoTRo, or gotten any characters to the end game; they don't realize that LoTRo is the first MMO (that I've played anyway) that truly gives you the freedom to acquire the "best" items from whatever gameplay you enjoy.
Go to any site that talks about end-game gear and you'll find 3-5 different items for every slot listed as the "best" for that class. Even then, those "best" items are situational. A lot of the Raid gear is only best for... you guessed it... Raiding! Exactly what Anofalye has been preaching for years.
The best items for Grouping come from the Epic books and other 6-man instance runs... exactly where you would expect to get them. The same goes for crafting and PvP. Each play-style lays claim to the "best" items. Too bad that some are so jaded that they can't admit a game finally produced what they've been on a crusade for all these years.
Edit: Forgot to second the statement by solareus as well. Any gear that you perchance may want from another playstyle can be purchased off the AH. Like that cool class-set raid gear, but don't like raiding? Buy it. Like that cool crafted gear, but don't like crafting? Buy it. Like that cool PvP gear, but don't like PvP? Buy it.
The one area that you can't purchase the vast majority of the good drops is grouping. The "best" items are quest items that are bound to your character, so if you want the grouping items you'll have to do that content yourselves. So... Anofalye... what exactly is your contention with LoTRo again? Hmm...
I have only been on a raid once. months ago i went on a helegord raid. Never got anything from it other than silver and trash loot.
I don't craft all my characters are explorers who collect needed materials for the crafting kinship i run. So guess what i don't have to go to the AH to get crafted items. I just ask my kinship to craft the items for me.
I have yet to see the importance of items in this game. they are so easy to come by that i don't even put a thought to getting a certain set. Cause there are so many differant sets that do differant things to improve your character.
I been playing this game since the beginning of closed beta. going on a year and a half. I have yet to do everything in the game. Heck i just finally finished my first legendary skill.
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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You kids are more delusional than Bioshock fans. This is not a "GREAT GAME". This is an MMO behind a HUGE IP with tons of zealots that are too stubborn to realize when a game is "meh".
Congrats.
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If what you say is true, then I am really missing much.
However. I don't trust it! The devs, the way they talk, it was like Brad! Especially some snarky comments they made over the years. Is that true or just an apparence? See, I could probably make you believe anything I want in a game you never played. Since you don't know the system...
I clearly remember the devs with their Oh-we-oh post saying that to raiding we go. And all the implications about this post that non-raiders...see, how am I supposed to TRUST a game dev like that with hundred of hours of my free time?
Is there a way to prove what you say? Datas, something! Last I check a game, it was supposed that you don't need to raid in WoW, but again, it was just another lie. And I am extremely fed up with all these lies. ATM, I feel like an EvE fanboi is talking to me that I can be happy PvEing in his game, knowing full well I can't. So he can makes a dirty pwn dance afterward.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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I totally agree 100%, LOTRO is an amazing game, and deserves all the praise it gets.
Though I do believe AoC may pull off just as much praise, because that too look like an amazing game. I wouldn't say it will be a decade to do what Turbine did with LOTRO, because it is very likely.
Most respect to the Turbine team, both DDO and LOTRO, they are by far my favorite MMORPG's.
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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If what you say is true, then I am really missing much.
However. I don't trust it! The devs, the way they talk, it was like Brad! Especially some snarky comments they made over the years. Is that true or just an apparence? See, I could probably make you believe anything I want in a game you never played. Since you don't know the system...
I clearly remember the devs with their Oh-we-oh post saying that to raiding we go. And all the implications about this post that non-raiders...see, how am I supposed to TRUST a game dev like that with hundred of hours of my free time?
Is there a way to prove what you say? Datas, something! Last I check a game, it was supposed that you don't need to raid in WoW, but again, it was just another lie. And I am extremely fed up with all these lies. ATM, I feel like an EvE fanboi is talking to me that I can be happy PvEing in his game, knowing full well I can't. So he can makes a dirty pwn dance afterward.
Well it's your loss.Not really sure what kind of "proof" would suffice. Who's to say that any "proof" that I offer is doctored, or whatever. So, in the end you are still left with believing those who are offering up this "proof". There are numerous posts on this forum and you could look on the official forums... wherever. I suppose we could all be lying though... so in the end you're at the same point.
It comes down to this. The epic book quests (grouping), 6-man instances (grouping), and regular quests (grouping) have equal if not better items than:
Reputation (which can be done with grouping or solo)
MPvP (which can be done with grouping)
Raiding (even some "raids" in LoTRo can be done in 6-man groups, so is that raiding or grouping?)
Crafting (mostly solo, although grouping does acquire resources faster.)
Even if you did determine that there was an item you wanted from one of the other play-style areas... you could just buy it from the AH. No need to ever leave your favorite play-style.
The Epic book quests are truly the best group content ever created in an MMO. It's a shame that you're missing it.
Does insecurity or poor self-image run rampant in some haters of this game (and others)? Or perhaps some wildly deluded sense of superiority? Either way, it's uncanny to me how some can't just voice their opinion without having to apply the self-edifying "elite" and "power-gamer" labels to themselves - as though somehow those labels entitles them to more respect or something.
Even funnier is when they do that in a game geared toward casual players. "Rawr... your game - well-known as a casual-friendly MMO - does nothing for an elite power-gamer like me!!" -puff chest-
You're informing everyone that a game not designed with your "hardcore playstyle" in mind... doesn't appeal to you. Bravo!
And in the end, the real absurdity is you're posturing over pixels on a computer screen. It really isn't as impressive as you think. Seriously.
Just makes me chuckle.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
If what you say is true, then I am really missing much.
However. I don't trust it! The devs, the way they talk, it was like Brad! Especially some snarky comments they made over the years. Is that true or just an apparence? See, I could probably make you believe anything I want in a game you never played. Since you don't know the system...
I clearly remember the devs with their Oh-we-oh post saying that to raiding we go. And all the implications about this post that non-raiders...see, how am I supposed to TRUST a game dev like that with hundred of hours of my free time?
Is there a way to prove what you say? Datas, something! Last I check a game, it was supposed that you don't need to raid in WoW, but again, it was just another lie. And I am extremely fed up with all these lies. ATM, I feel like an EvE fanboi is talking to me that I can be happy PvEing in his game, knowing full well I can't. So he can makes a dirty pwn dance afterward.
Well it's your loss.Not really sure what kind of "proof" would suffice. Who's to say that any "proof" that I offer is doctored, or whatever. So, in the end you are still left with believing those who are offering up this "proof". There are numerous posts on this forum and you could look on the official forums... wherever. I suppose we could all be lying though... so in the end you're at the same point.
It comes down to this. The epic book quests (grouping), 6-man instances (grouping), and regular quests (grouping) have equal if not better items than:
Reputation (which can be done with grouping or solo)
MPvP (which can be done with grouping)
Raiding (even some "raids" in LoTRo can be done in 6-man groups, so is that raiding or grouping?)
Crafting (mostly solo, although grouping does acquire resources faster.)
Even if you did determine that there was an item you wanted from one of the other play-style areas... you could just buy it from the AH. No need to ever leave your favorite play-style.
The Epic book quests are truly the best group content ever created in an MMO. It's a shame that you're missing it.
The first time that you see Sauron's eye on YOU should leave no doubt in your mind about this.
Does insecurity or poor self-image run rampant in some haters of this game (and others)? Or perhaps some wildly deluded sense of superiority? Either way, it's uncanny to me how some can't just voice their opinion without having to apply the self-edifying "elite" and "power-gamer" labels to themselves - as though somehow those labels entitles them to more respect or something.
Even funnier is when they do that in a game geared toward casual players. "Rawr... your game - well-known as a casual-friendly MMO - does nothing for an elite power-gamer like me!!" -puff chest-
You're informing everyone that a game not designed with your "hardcore playstyle" in mind... doesn't appeal to you. Bravo!
And in the end, the real absurdity is you're posturing over pixels on a computer screen. It really isn't as impressive as you think. Seriously.
Just makes me chuckle.
Kick him harder while he's down! *chuckles* It amuses me
Playing FFXI but I really want to give this game a serious try. Just that the character animations turned me off.
Note to self: try LoTRO but do not make a male elf...
I am still afraid. (blame it on EQ) :P
What will I miss stats-wise if I don't PvP nor Raid whatsoever? And don't consider purchasing/selling items. (Raid is anything which requires more than 1 full group, so 9 peoples or more = raiding)
The only MMO I play for an extended period of time since I stop EQ, it is CoX...and I have access to EVERYTHING in my groups.
Now, if something is useless in PvE-grouping, I wouldn't care...but...will I miss even 1 hp? I lack enought to actually needs each and every hp I can find. :P
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
If you don't raid you miss raid gear, but having crafted gear instead doesn't matter at all. As other posters have said, LotRO crafting isnt fubared, but creates items that are better than loot or quest rewards at lower levels and equal or better than raid/PvP stuff in the top end.
The beaty of crafting system is - at least with my trade, jewelry - that actually the best crafted sets need to have a mix of common items crafted from multi-use recipes and then some rare single use items thrown in. But even an all multi-use recipe "el cheapo" high end jewelry set is "good enough" for about everything.
You can tailor the sets and choose the pieces according your preferences and playstyle, my experience this far has been that there is not one absolute character template. Interestingly enough, the trait system, different stats on gear etc. actually make the character classes far broader than the quick look reveals. And everything doable without entering a single raid or PvP.
There is crafting changes in the horizon - book 13 or 14, but based on devteams comments so far, crafting is getting more love and not nerfing
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Played: UO, DaoC, Horizons, Ryzom, WAR, LotRO, Eve, VG...
Whats your opsesion with raiding Anofayle...
I play LOTRO , and never ever even considered raiding in my wildest dream. Its PVE game , and having the bestest equipment is not mandatory at all. And its not even for show, because in LOTRO you dont have to wear (show) your equipment, so people run in cosmetic clothes anyway....
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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Isn't it 7 day trial?
What I really hate is that you can't dive in LOTRO. Lake Evendim would have been great for that
boats would be nice too.
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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It is mandatory for me. I play a game where everything is around leveling up and progressing.
And the more I read the various answers, the more this saying come to my mind: "He who accept to sacrifice either Freedom or Justice for the sake of the other, deserve neither." - Insert whatever rightfull source which I don't know.
See, been 1% less efficient because I don't PvP or Raid is NOT acceptable from a grouping perspective. It is not the amount, it is the principle. Best groupers, have to be groupers...not peoples who raid+PvP+group+ whatever else...only groupers. I use to be kinda open minded on the topic, and see what happen in EQ when you are open minded about this. The door is close. Best groupers have to be groupers.
So again, if I don't have any PvP/Raid gear/whatever badge or other bonuses these give, will my stats be missing anything in PvE combats? DragonAce says no, althought not to that precise question and althought I doubt he understand my question fully. Been shafted by 1%, 10% or 50% is not acceptable, the amount is irrelevant, the principle is all which matter. Best "mandatory" bonuses must all be accessible throught the gameplays I enjoy, or I will just not play. Having 1 less HP is NOT acceptable. I "need" all to be in my gameplays.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
It is mandatory for me. I play a game where everything is around leveling up and progressing.
And the more I read the various answers, the more this saying come to my mind: "He who accept to sacrifice either Freedom or Justice for the sake of the other, deserve neither." - Insert whatever rightfull source which I don't know.
See, been 1% less efficient because I don't PvP or Raid is NOT acceptable from a grouping perspective. It is not the amount, it is the principle. Best groupers, have to be groupers...not peoples who raid+PvP+group+ whatever else...only groupers. I use to be kinda open minded on the topic, and see what happen in EQ when you are open minded about this. The door is close. Best groupers have to be groupers.
So again, if I don't have any PvP/Raid gear/whatever badge or other bonuses these give, will my stats be missing anything in PvE combats? DragonAce says no, althought not to that precise question and althought I doubt he understand my question fully. Been shafted by 1%, 10% or 50% is not acceptable, the amount is irrelevant, the principle is all which matter. Best "mandatory" bonuses must all be accessible throught the gameplays I enjoy, or I will just not play. Having 1 less HP is NOT acceptable. I "need" all to be in my gameplays.
I could go through every single piece of gear that everyone determines to be the "best"... but here is a good example of the type of choices that LoTRo gives you below.
4 of those cloaks are Raid drops (only 1 of which is BOA), 1 is crafted, and 1 is a group quest reward.
So which one is "best"... well it all depends on what your character determines to be "best". That is the kind of gear choices in LoTRo. Do you want +morale and +power? Do you want +power, +morale, and + vitality? Do you want +might? Do you want +fate? Do you want +stealth? Do you want +evade? It all depends on your character class and your play-style.
This was just a sampling of some of the high-end cloaks available from all areas. There are many more, and the same type of comparisons work across the board for all gear. Which area has the "best"? Well, it all depends on want you are looking for, and how you play your character.
If you are throwing out the AH (which, might I remind you goes against what you've said on previous threads about the subject)... then, yeah... you MIGHT come across a situation, and/or class combination that something from a Raid which MIGHT be considered the "best" would not be available to you.
But as you've mentioned before... the AH is open to all... so not sure why you are changing your argument and throwing out the AH now. That just seems silly. What else are you going to do with all the gold you acquire during your grouping sessions unless you spend in on the AH? It's not like the gold acquired causes extra damage to mobs by carrying it around.
Edit: Forgot to mention. Turbine has officially announced for their upcoming Book 13. No new 12 or 24 man raids. They will be revamping an area that has 3 different 6-man (group) instances, they are adding a huge new area filled with quests (solo and group). They are also adding new hobbies such as fishing. What kind of emphasis does that signal? Every book update also includes a new series of chapters (group quests) that continue the Epic story line.
For full openness on the subject. The last book (book 12) included a new area for MPvP play that allows player groups from both sides to enter a new dungeon depending on the status of the top-side strongholds. They also included the new custom design feature, as well as a re-vamp to the high-end questing (group) area of Angmar.
The book before that, or maybe is was the one before that? (book 11, or 10) included a new raid (The Rift). Turbine has shown a commitment to ALL play-styles. I for one like that direction.
(FYI - 1st is crafted... middle are Raid drop... bottom one is quest)
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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Thanks for all the info.
I now have an open mind toward LotRO and will keep it on my radar. But it is "not enought" for me...yet. I am not going to cede anything which may be usefull in groups to anyone acquiring that outside of group(actually, I would accept crafting even if it would still annoy me). 1 step; or maybe even 100 steps, in the right direction. But me playing a game starts when groupers masters grouping totally on a design level, not before, and with a strong commitment it will always be that way, neither are the case atm. No matter if the game is "casual" or "hardcore".
ATM, some of the best groupers obviously need raid-gear based on this example. This isn't something I can accept. AH is a nice tool, it help smooth things out, but it doesn't correct in itself the core of the issue, even if it smooth it a LOT.
PS: I took over 30 minutes writing this response after reading yours...
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I'm glad you at least took the time to look at the information presented, as I tried to be as straight-forward as possible with the information. If anyone has more information on the subject, by all means share it. I think that LoTRo stands well on it's game-play for those that find it fun... so no sense trying to fool someone into thinking it's something it's not.
Good luck on your gaming ventures... hopefully we'll see you in LoTRo some day. I have no doubt you would be thoroughly enthralled with the Epic Story line. Hands down the best grouping content ever created!
The raid gear's only real bonus is the stats it gives you for having the complete set. Like 2 pieces gives you a bonus, 6 peices gives you a better bonus. For the raid set it gives you fear damage resistance..which is useful in the raid because they do fear damage. The set bonus isnt really useful outside of that. The stats are still good, but not noticeable IMO. The set bonus for epic armor for burglar , which I've looted in 24 man raids, 6 man group in sanur killing trolls, and solo off a mob in goblin town, gives 20% damage to backstab. The stats other than that may be slightly less than raid, but the 20% damage is far more useful soloing or in pvp than the fear damage resistance. You can also buy the epic armor off the AH where the raid armor cannot. There's also set's of armor you can get in Evendim. Either solo or in groups which are useful for other things. It all depends on what you want to do. Raid armor, from what I've seen, will only help you raid better.
See you in the dream..
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