I didn't know this before, but after talking to some people who went to the latest fan fest, I was told that it was actually Lucas Arts that pushed through the CU and NGE. SOE employees can't talk about it because of confidentiality agreements and clauses
So SOE employees can't talk about it but you were told all about it? rofl
I didn't know this before, but after talking to some people who went to the latest fan fest, I was told that it was actually Lucas Arts that pushed through the CU and NGE. SOE employees can't talk about it because of confidentiality agreements and clauses
So SOE employees can't talk about it but you were told all about it? rofl
Isn't it funny how the fanbois dismiss those of us who share tidbits from unnamed sources as "making stuff up" yet when they post something like this it's Gospel?
Not news to me. I've always blamed LA and really only ever enjoyed a couple SW games. Could care less about what happens to SWG. But if someone asks my opinion about the game I'll tell them it sucks. Just my opinion.
I don't care who is responsible for it, I'm boycotting both of them. They both suck. Niether could give a rats ass about their products or their customers; only the $$$. Screw em both is all I gotta say about it.
Hate to break it to you...all companies only care about the money.
And we, as customers have a right to deny them that money. We have.
And we've done it noisily and helped cost them more money.
The NGE cost SOE/LEC tens of millions of dollars.
You must be very well connected salvaje. Care to share with the rest of us where you came up with those numbers?
As to those of you calling me a "paid soe shill fanboi" I'm sorry, I thought this was a veterans refuge. I'm a veteran. I have a right to post here too. I'm not the only veteran who likes to post on this website. Why do you think only angry "flameboys" get to post on here?
I make it clear that I have no great love for soe/LEC. My point is that I found it interesting and thought I'd share it with the veteran community. If you already knew about this, awesome. Excuse me for trying to inform my peers with something I found interesting.
Just as many of you no longer give your money to soe/LEC, congratulations. You speak with your actions. You know who else speaks with their actions? soe and LEC. They're choosing to keep the game running because its still profittable to them. If it was truly costing tens of millions of dollars, they'd drop it faster than you can say "Ha-ha!" - Jimbo from Simpsons style.
So obviously, until the day the plug is pulled, there must still be enough people happy to pay for the game.
What I don't get is why the flameboys keep saying "Its dying! Its all over! The sky is falling!" when its been chugging along for the two years since the CU.
Apparently it really affects you to see someone enjoying the game. Otherwise, why would you spend so much time on here reacting so strongly? Well, thanks for giving us that kind of control, letting us push your buttons and making you dance, but frankly I don't want that kind of power. Unplug for a bit. Take a walk. Find something more fun than flaming on forums all day.
SWG at the time of the NGE publish had 250K subscribers, based on both SOE press releases and mmogcharts.
SWG today has, using the most optimistic, even acknowledged by fanbois here, 50K subs (actually it's far less, and yes, I DO have info on that).
250K*15 = 3.75M gross revenue per month.
50K*15 = .75M gross revenue per month
Keep in mind this is using the MOST optimistic scenario for current subs possible.
Last 12 months of revenue had the game stayed at 250K subs: 45M
Revenue last 12 months at 50K subs: 9M
Revenue lost in the last 12 months: 36M
Keep in mind the NGE has been around for 2 years and that it's definitely not averaged 50K subs for the past 12 months, so the loss figure is even higher. Ergo, the NGE has unquestionably cost SOE and LEC tens of millions of dollars, even just this past year.
SOE and LEC, in fact lose: $98,630 per DAY over the revenue they had per day just prior to the NGE, BECAUSE of the NGE! Almost 100K a day. Let THAT one sink in for a moment, and you realize why the current Dev team is made up of interns, misfits, and halfwits.
Moral of the story: Don't tell your customers to go F-themselves when they ask for their game back.
If your info is so reliable, please update the folks at MMOGData.com (mmogcharts.com has gone under)as, you can see, they're confidence level on the info they have on the game is rated C so even they acknowledge their sources are iffy. So please salvaje, enlighten us with your "source". I have the same "source" on that figure, its called the internet. I think one or two other people in the world might have it too.
**Returned SWG Player** Yeah, I used to hate the game because of NGE as much as anyone, but I've been playing the game since Feb. 2008 and have honestly had a good time. If you hate the game, fantastic, move along. Its all been said before and your continuous griefing just makes you look like a sad individual with nothing better to do.
I didn't know this before, but after talking to some people who went to the latest fan fest, I was told that it was actually Lucas Arts that pushed through the CU and NGE. SOE employees can't talk about it because of confidentiality agreements and clauses
So SOE employees can't talk about it but you were told all about it? rofl
Um... yeah... its called breaking those agreements smart guy. Thats what they were infact doing, in a way that is not too overt or explicit. Not like they're going to get on the forums and start blabbing it everywhere.
As one poster put it, soe took full credit for the changes. Thats news to me too. I assumed that was the case from the beginning.
**Returned SWG Player** Yeah, I used to hate the game because of NGE as much as anyone, but I've been playing the game since Feb. 2008 and have honestly had a good time. If you hate the game, fantastic, move along. Its all been said before and your continuous griefing just makes you look like a sad individual with nothing better to do.
Yay! Another fanboi shill posts the old "It wasn't SOE, even though they admitted it was their idea and convinced LEC to agree to it, it was all LEC!" lie for the thousandth time! Another thousand or so times and you might even start to believe it yourself!
I agree. These carniverous sheepm keep telling us to forget the old game because the new simplistic, buggy and limited gsame is 'better'. What fools they think we are. It ain't going to happen. Until SOE returns to us our pre-CU game, we will continue to lobby against the company, its personnel and its products on whatever forums we find ourselves.
Yay! Another fanboi shill posts the old "It wasn't SOE, even though they admitted it was their idea and convinced LEC to agree to it, it was all LEC!" lie for the thousandth time! Another thousand or so times and you might even start to believe it yourself!
I don't agree with that.. and I'll say find me a quote that claims they were 100% behind it all.
What you will find is that that they developed/implemented it.
It has never been revealed who mandated the changes.
The better response imho would be the simple...
1) who cares
2) it doesn't matter now/anymore
Brenlo, on the old Lithium OBoards, responded to a post asking the direct question (paraphrased) 'Did LEC mandate SOE make the NGE changes?' by saying that LEC did not force SOE to make or implement the NGE, but that the folks at SOE conceived and implemented the changes. Jeff Freeman posted on this forum that the NGE changed were not forced on SOE by LEC. John Smedley has said that LEC did not force the NGE on SOE.
It was the folks at SOE who decided to revamp the game. It was the folks at LEC that allowed them to do so.
That's the problem with forums... its like rewriting history.
Brenlo did make such a post. It was then stated that he was "incorrect" and he withdrew his comment after that. Wow... amazing how it has such a different context when you apply the history that happened after that part.
Smedley has also never made any such statement.
What he has said.. is how great it is working with DC... since some IP holders have NO clue. (amazingly the only other 3rd party IP they had worked with was SWG... since they bought MxO to get DC...)
It would also be quite clear that LEC couldn't force the NGE.. which is quite different than asking for the game to go into another direciton aka a mandate. SOE could have always not agreed to do so and would have lost the license *gasp* what a concept.
Then there is that little comment from the LEC guy.. you know Haden... Blackman.. about how they started to try to cross platform (they being LEC) in 2005... and then there was that console book for SWG that kept showing up on Amazon.com after the NGE...
I mean I can re-invent things that happened or leave out other facts to push my points I suppose.
The Brenlo thing was classic.. and it does take on a whole different appearance.. when you leave out what happened after.
So SOE employees can't talk about it but you were told all about it? rofl
Um... yeah... its called breaking those agreements smart guy. Thats what they were infact doing, in a way that is not too overt or explicit. Not like they're going to get on the forums and start blabbing it everywhere.
As one poster put it, soe took full credit for the changes. Thats news to me too. I assumed that was the case from the beginning.
I am sorry to speak to you bluntly, even rudly, but not only is it obvious that you are making up this 'a SOE developer secretly told my buddy at a fanfair that it was all LAs fault' nonsense but your continued, semi-literate abuse of other posters in this thread goes a long way to showing what kind of people play and enjoy the NGE. People like yourself.
Huh... thats cool. I didn't know about Brenlo and all that. I was too busy boycotting the changes at the time.
**Returned SWG Player** Yeah, I used to hate the game because of NGE as much as anyone, but I've been playing the game since Feb. 2008 and have honestly had a good time. If you hate the game, fantastic, move along. Its all been said before and your continuous griefing just makes you look like a sad individual with nothing better to do.
So SOE employees can't talk about it but you were told all about it? rofl
Um... yeah... its called breaking those agreements smart guy. Thats what they were infact doing, in a way that is not too overt or explicit. Not like they're going to get on the forums and start blabbing it everywhere.
As one poster put it, soe took full credit for the changes. Thats news to me too. I assumed that was the case from the beginning.
I am sorry to speak to you bluntly, even rudly, but not only is it obvious that you are making up this 'a SOE developer secretly told my buddy at a fanfair that it was all LAs fault' nonsense but your continued, semi-literate abuse of other posters in this thread goes a long way to showing what kind of people play and enjoy the NGE. People like yourself.
Haha I see, and you're so much better obviously. You rise above the hate and refrain from abusing other posters. Oh wait...
If we're to use the same logic you just used, and blatanty apply it to all swg haters, the way you blanket label "nge enjoyers", I guess it goes a long way to showing what kind of people hate swg.
Now, I'm not that stupid to make blanket assumptions. I know most people who hate swg are decent folks and I don't hate or blame them for not liking swg. I respect their decision to not play the game. Its the vocal, angry, spiteful minority (yes, they're a majority on this forum but in the real world people say "swg? what's that?") who spend so much time spewing anger on this forum that I'm confused by.
**Returned SWG Player** Yeah, I used to hate the game because of NGE as much as anyone, but I've been playing the game since Feb. 2008 and have honestly had a good time. If you hate the game, fantastic, move along. Its all been said before and your continuous griefing just makes you look like a sad individual with nothing better to do.
Oh well, when the game gets canned then this long war between the two $OE love and HATE will end finally end. Which I really hope is soon since it seem no communication is taking place at the SWG forums about pretty much anything the communication between the community and the devs as I have dug thru has been getting less so it seems something is going on there insidiously.....
Haha I see, and you're so much better obviously. You rise above the hate and refrain from abusing other posters. Oh wait...
If we're to use the same logic you just used, and blatanty apply it to all swg haters, the way you blanket label "nge enjoyers", I guess it goes a long way to showing what kind of people hate swg. Now, I'm not that stupid to make blanket assumptions. I know most people who hate swg are decent folks and I don't hate or blame them for not liking swg. I respect their decision to not play the game. Its the vocal, angry, spiteful minority (yes, they're a majority on this forum but in the real world people say "swg? what's that?") who spend so much time spewing anger on this forum that I'm confused by.
He he. No, that's precisely what you have done:
"You can be part of the solution or part of the cry babies who just can't let the CU and NGE go. Whether they admit it or not though, no one listens to the cry babies anymore (except themselves)". Talk about blanket assumptions, eh?
Oh well, when the game gets canned then this long war between the two $OE love and HATE will end finally end. Which I really hope is soon since it seem no communication is taking place at the SWG forums about pretty much anything the communication between the community and the devs as I have dug thru has been getting less so it seems something is going on there insidiously.....
a war that we the vets have already won.
and this war will go on. no game or mmo should be anything like the nge.
Haha I see, and you're so much better obviously. You rise above the hate and refrain from abusing other posters. Oh wait...
If we're to use the same logic you just used, and blatanty apply it to all swg haters, the way you blanket label "nge enjoyers", I guess it goes a long way to showing what kind of people hate swg. Now, I'm not that stupid to make blanket assumptions. I know most people who hate swg are decent folks and I don't hate or blame them for not liking swg. I respect their decision to not play the game. Its the vocal, angry, spiteful minority (yes, they're a majority on this forum but in the real world people say "swg? what's that?") who spend so much time spewing anger on this forum that I'm confused by.
He he. No, that's precisely what you have done:
"You can be part of the solution or part of the cry babies who just can't let the CU and NGE go. Whether they admit it or not though, no one listens to the cry babies anymore (except themselves)". Talk about blanket assumptions, eh?
Seriously - how old are you?
Lets see, people who flame soe either have spoken with their wallets, by cancelling the game and denying the evil empire more money (an action which I support). Some demand pre-CU/NGE star wars, which isn't going to happen. Therefore, nothing is changing because of further flaming. Therefore, no one is listening to the angry flamers.
Do you seriously think some suit at soe is going to say "ZOMG! AngryForumGuy#215 says our game is teh suxorz! Quick! Change everything!". If you're as smart as you think you are, you know corporations only respond to economic stimuli, for the most part. Once you stop paying for a product, and no longer affect their bottom line directly, you lose their attention.
Anything short of a major negative press campaign, and I mean something like major stories and coverage on CNN and the major news channels about a company wont really reach their attention nearly as much as people refusing to pay for their product. I highly doubt CNN will do a story on salvaje's hate mongering. There have already been stories in the New York Times and USA today about the NGE, but its old news now. Even that didn't bring pre-CU back or pull the plug on the game.
So, in short, no one is listening. Feel free to show me where I"m wrong.
**Returned SWG Player** Yeah, I used to hate the game because of NGE as much as anyone, but I've been playing the game since Feb. 2008 and have honestly had a good time. If you hate the game, fantastic, move along. Its all been said before and your continuous griefing just makes you look like a sad individual with nothing better to do.
Lets see, people who flame soe either have spoken with their wallets, by cancelling the game and denying the evil empire more money (an action which I support). Some demand pre-CU/NGE star wars, which isn't going to happen. Therefore, nothing is changing because of further flaming. Therefore, no one is listening to the angry flamers.
Do you seriously think some suit at soe is going to say "ZOMG! AngryForumGuy#215 says our game is teh suxorz! Quick! Change everything!". If you're as smart as you think you are, you know corporations only respond to economic stimuli, for the most part. Once you stop paying for a product, and no longer affect their bottom line directly, you lose their attention. Anything short of a major negative press campaign, and I mean something like major stories and coverage on CNN and the major news channels about a company wont really reach their attention nearly as much as people refusing to pay for their product. I highly doubt CNN will do a story on salvaje's hate mongering. There have already been stories in the New York Times and USA today about the NGE, but its old news now. Even that didn't bring pre-CU back or pull the plug on the game. So, in short, no one is listening. Feel free to show me where I"m wrong.
Lets see, people who flame soe either have spoken with their wallets, by cancelling the game and denying the evil empire more money (an action which I support). Some demand pre-CU/NGE star wars, which isn't going to happen. Therefore, nothing is changing because of further flaming. Therefore, no one is listening to the angry flamers.
Do you seriously think some suit at soe is going to say "ZOMG! AngryForumGuy#215 says our game is teh suxorz! Quick! Change everything!". If you're as smart as you think you are, you know corporations only respond to economic stimuli, for the most part. Once you stop paying for a product, and no longer affect their bottom line directly, you lose their attention. Anything short of a major negative press campaign, and I mean something like major stories and coverage on CNN and the major news channels about a company wont really reach their attention nearly as much as people refusing to pay for their product. I highly doubt CNN will do a story on salvaje's hate mongering. There have already been stories in the New York Times and USA today about the NGE, but its old news now. Even that didn't bring pre-CU back or pull the plug on the game. So, in short, no one is listening. Feel free to show me where I"m wrong.
No, seriously - how old are you?
You sir, are a master at debate. Truly a master debater. A cunning linguist.
**Returned SWG Player** Yeah, I used to hate the game because of NGE as much as anyone, but I've been playing the game since Feb. 2008 and have honestly had a good time. If you hate the game, fantastic, move along. Its all been said before and your continuous griefing just makes you look like a sad individual with nothing better to do.
Yay! Another fanboi shill posts the old "It wasn't SOE, even though they admitted it was their idea and convinced LEC to agree to it, it was all LEC!" lie for the thousandth time! Another thousand or so times and you might even start to believe it yourself!
I don't agree with that.. and I'll say find me a quote that claims they were 100% behind it all.
What you will find is that that they developed/implemented it.
It has never been revealed who mandated the changes.
The better response imho would be the simple...
1) who cares
2) it doesn't matter now/anymore
Brenlo, on the old Lithium OBoards, responded to a post asking the direct question (paraphrased) 'Did LEC mandate SOE make the NGE changes?' by saying that LEC did not force SOE to make or implement the NGE, but that the folks at SOE conceived and implemented the changes. Jeff Freeman posted on this forum that the NGE changed were not forced on SOE by LEC. John Smedley has said that LEC did not force the NGE on SOE.
It was the folks at SOE who decided to revamp the game. It was the folks at LEC that allowed them to do so.
That's the problem with forums... its like rewriting history.
Brenlo did make such a post. It was then stated that he was "incorrect" and he withdrew his comment after that. Wow... amazing how it has such a different context when you apply the history that happened after that part.
Smedley has also never made any such statement.
What he has said.. is how great it is working with DC... since some IP holders have NO clue. (amazingly the only other 3rd party IP they had worked with was SWG... since they bought MxO to get DC...)
It would also be quite clear that LEC couldn't force the NGE.. which is quite different than asking for the game to go into another direciton aka a mandate. SOE could have always not agreed to do so and would have lost the license *gasp* what a concept.
Then there is that little comment from the LEC guy.. you know Haden... Blackman.. about how they started to try to cross platform (they being LEC) in 2005... and then there was that console book for SWG that kept showing up on Amazon.com after the NGE...
I mean I can re-invent things that happened or leave out other facts to push my points I suppose.
The Brenlo thing was classic.. and it does take on a whole different appearance.. when you leave out what happened after.
Brenlo never retracted his statement. He specifically said LEC didn't force the NGE on SOE, or force SOE to alter the game. The Smed posted on the old Lithium boards that the NGE was SOE's, as well as in a few interviews. Several folks from the SOE Austin studio said it was SOE's mistake at the Austin GDC in 2006.
The Smed's blog post had to do with the fact that Warner Brothers has basically given SOE free reign to develop MxO and DCO as they see fit, with little to no oversight (basically the folks at Warner don't care what SOE does with their IP). It had nothing to do with anyone from LEC forcing SOE to make changes to the game. It has to do with the fact that LEC wouldn't let SOE implement things that the Lucas folks though would damage their IP. Considering all the crap that has been done to the game, just think how bad the things had to be for LEC to say "No".
The folks at SOE came up with the NGE and took the idea to LEC to get permission to implement it, like everything else the SOE developers have wanted to put in the game. The NGE was SOE's baby. LEC allowed them to implement it.
You guys should read Jeff Freemans posts about the NGE on soesucks.net. He states how the executives at SOE and Lucas Arts did not like SWG as it was before the Pre CU. So it came from the top as well. Personally the game is old and dated. It really lacks "true" Star Wars content. The artwork has become worse for each new release of content. Or they rehash existing content. The avatars need a huge face lift. I think its just time to state the vets won. Subscriptions are low. Servers are empty. It is now too late for a roll back. And still they refuse to add one classic server. And in all honesty I don't ever want to touch another SOE game ever again. CCP treats thier community with respect.
Brenlo never retracted his statement. He specifically said LEC didn't force the NGE on SOE, or force SOE to alter the game. The Smed posted on the old Lithium boards that the NGE was SOE's, as well as in a few interviews. Several folks from the SOE Austin studio said it was SOE's mistake at the Austin GDC in 2006. The Smed's blog post had to do with the fact that Warner Brothers has basically given SOE free reign to develop MxO and DCO as they see fit, with little to no oversight (basically the folks at Warner don't care what SOE does with their IP). It had nothing to do with anyone from LEC forcing SOE to make changes to the game. It has to do with the fact that LEC wouldn't let SOE implement things that the Lucas folks though would damage their IP. Considering all the crap that has been done to the game, just think how bad the things had to be for LEC to say "No". The folks at SOE came up with the NGE and took the idea to LEC to get permission to implement it, like everything else the SOE developers have wanted to put in the game. The NGE was SOE's baby. LEC allowed them to implement it.
I genuinely believe that one day the whole SOE-LA-NGE fiasco will be written up by some academic as a textbook cautionary tale of how not to throw away tens of millions of dollars of revenue in the MMO sector.
Until that day, all we can know for sure is that one idiot in one company, either SOE or LA, said; 'Let's throw away what we've got now in the hope of getting more of the things we don't have the technical expertise or human skills to manage even if we did get' and another idiot at the other company, either LA or SOE said, 'Yes, I agree'.
I genuinely believe that one day the whole SOE-LA-NGE fiasco will be written up by some academic as a textbook cautionary tale of how not to throw away tens of millions of dollars of revenue in the MMO sector.
Until that day, all we can know for sure is that one idiot in one company, either SOE or LA, said; 'Let's throw away what we've got now in the hope of getting more of the things we don't have the technical expertise or human skills to manage even if we did get' and another idiot at the other company, either LA or SOE said, 'Yes, I agree'.
SOE sold an expansion pack containing items they knew were going to be useless in a couple weeks.
SOE accepted payment for multi-month accounts knowing they were about to make massive changes to the game.
SOE lied when they said the CU was "here to stay".
Of course LucasArts had to approve anything that went into the game but I think what happened was Smed got obsessed with WoW when he saw how massively popular it was and he went to LA and sold them a bill of goods, promising that subs would skyrocket if the game was more "Star Warsy" and "iconic". Despite all of that, SOE is responsible for the NGE and responsible for how it treated its customers in the aftermath.
Its funny how similar both groups are. Though I gotta say..the OP is being treated far better than the last "hater" who made a post clearly stating it was a rumor. Even making posts about it in other threads tearing him apart. Even after the OP dropped some insults in at the end of the post for no reason. which is the best way to know you're full of it. If you have to insult those who may disagree with you before they disagree..to some how invalidate their opinions...in a forum made for them where you know they will disagree. you're as bad if not worse than any hater. To me it seems they have more going on in their lives than others.
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Huh... thats cool. I didn't know about Brenlo and all that. I was too busy boycotting the changes at the time. **Returned SWG Player**
Yeah, I used to hate the game because of NGE as much as anyone, but I've been playing the game since Feb. 2008 and have honestly had a good time. If you hate the game, fantastic, move along. Its all been said before and your continuous griefing just makes you look like a sad individual with nothing better to do.
Please do not come to these forums and get all preachy like some G** D*** reformed smoker.
Fine, you gave up and went back to SWG. Good for you, but we all know that SOE gave you and the other vets a great big F-You and kicked you all to the curb in favor of their imaginary new subscriber base that never showed up.
Now please don't come here and get all moral about anyone not tossing in the towel and just accepting SWG. You sold out, fine, but don't turn into some history revisionist hipocrite just so you don't feel guilty for empowering SOE with your subscription money. Your preachy sig shows just how far people have to go to feel ok with their choice to go back to that game and also lends support that your story is purely made up B***SH** so you can 'educate' the vets.
The fact is SOE has never tried to mend bridges with the angry vets they screwed over, let alone change their business practices so there is no reason for anyone to return kind favor to SOE.
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So SOE employees can't talk about it but you were told all about it? rofl
So SOE employees can't talk about it but you were told all about it? rofl
Isn't it funny how the fanbois dismiss those of us who share tidbits from unnamed sources as "making stuff up" yet when they post something like this it's Gospel?
Not news to me. I've always blamed LA and really only ever enjoyed a couple SW games. Could care less about what happens to SWG. But if someone asks my opinion about the game I'll tell them it sucks. Just my opinion.
And we, as customers have a right to deny them that money. We have.
And we've done it noisily and helped cost them more money.
The NGE cost SOE/LEC tens of millions of dollars.
You must be very well connected salvaje. Care to share with the rest of us where you came up with those numbers?
As to those of you calling me a "paid soe shill fanboi" I'm sorry, I thought this was a veterans refuge. I'm a veteran. I have a right to post here too. I'm not the only veteran who likes to post on this website. Why do you think only angry "flameboys" get to post on here?
I make it clear that I have no great love for soe/LEC. My point is that I found it interesting and thought I'd share it with the veteran community. If you already knew about this, awesome. Excuse me for trying to inform my peers with something I found interesting.
Just as many of you no longer give your money to soe/LEC, congratulations. You speak with your actions. You know who else speaks with their actions? soe and LEC. They're choosing to keep the game running because its still profittable to them. If it was truly costing tens of millions of dollars, they'd drop it faster than you can say "Ha-ha!" - Jimbo from Simpsons style.
So obviously, until the day the plug is pulled, there must still be enough people happy to pay for the game.
What I don't get is why the flameboys keep saying "Its dying! Its all over! The sky is falling!" when its been chugging along for the two years since the CU.
Apparently it really affects you to see someone enjoying the game. Otherwise, why would you spend so much time on here reacting so strongly? Well, thanks for giving us that kind of control, letting us push your buttons and making you dance, but frankly I don't want that kind of power. Unplug for a bit. Take a walk. Find something more fun than flaming on forums all day.
SWG at the time of the NGE publish had 250K subscribers, based on both SOE press releases and mmogcharts.
SWG today has, using the most optimistic, even acknowledged by fanbois here, 50K subs (actually it's far less, and yes, I DO have info on that).
250K*15 = 3.75M gross revenue per month.
50K*15 = .75M gross revenue per month
Keep in mind this is using the MOST optimistic scenario for current subs possible.
Last 12 months of revenue had the game stayed at 250K subs: 45M
Revenue last 12 months at 50K subs: 9M
Revenue lost in the last 12 months: 36M
Keep in mind the NGE has been around for 2 years and that it's definitely not averaged 50K subs for the past 12 months, so the loss figure is even higher. Ergo, the NGE has unquestionably cost SOE and LEC tens of millions of dollars, even just this past year.
SOE and LEC, in fact lose: $98,630 per DAY over the revenue they had per day just prior to the NGE, BECAUSE of the NGE! Almost 100K a day. Let THAT one sink in for a moment, and you realize why the current Dev team is made up of interns, misfits, and halfwits.
Moral of the story: Don't tell your customers to go F-themselves when they ask for their game back.
If your info is so reliable, please update the folks at MMOGData.com (mmogcharts.com has gone under)as, you can see, they're confidence level on the info they have on the game is rated C so even they acknowledge their sources are iffy. So please salvaje, enlighten us with your "source". I have the same "source" on that figure, its called the internet. I think one or two other people in the world might have it too.
**Returned SWG Player**
Yeah, I used to hate the game because of NGE as much as anyone, but I've been playing the game since Feb. 2008 and have honestly had a good time. If you hate the game, fantastic, move along. Its all been said before and your continuous griefing just makes you look like a sad individual with nothing better to do.
So SOE employees can't talk about it but you were told all about it? rofl
Um... yeah... its called breaking those agreements smart guy. Thats what they were infact doing, in a way that is not too overt or explicit. Not like they're going to get on the forums and start blabbing it everywhere.As one poster put it, soe took full credit for the changes. Thats news to me too. I assumed that was the case from the beginning.
**Returned SWG Player**
Yeah, I used to hate the game because of NGE as much as anyone, but I've been playing the game since Feb. 2008 and have honestly had a good time. If you hate the game, fantastic, move along. Its all been said before and your continuous griefing just makes you look like a sad individual with nothing better to do.
I agree. These carniverous sheepm keep telling us to forget the old game because the new simplistic, buggy and limited gsame is 'better'. What fools they think we are. It ain't going to happen. Until SOE returns to us our pre-CU game, we will continue to lobby against the company, its personnel and its products on whatever forums we find ourselves.
I don't agree with that.. and I'll say find me a quote that claims they were 100% behind it all.
What you will find is that that they developed/implemented it.
It has never been revealed who mandated the changes.
The better response imho would be the simple...
1) who cares
2) it doesn't matter now/anymore
Brenlo, on the old Lithium OBoards, responded to a post asking the direct question (paraphrased) 'Did LEC mandate SOE make the NGE changes?' by saying that LEC did not force SOE to make or implement the NGE, but that the folks at SOE conceived and implemented the changes. Jeff Freeman posted on this forum that the NGE changed were not forced on SOE by LEC. John Smedley has said that LEC did not force the NGE on SOE.
It was the folks at SOE who decided to revamp the game. It was the folks at LEC that allowed them to do so.
That's the problem with forums... its like rewriting history.
Brenlo did make such a post. It was then stated that he was "incorrect" and he withdrew his comment after that. Wow... amazing how it has such a different context when you apply the history that happened after that part.
Smedley has also never made any such statement.
What he has said.. is how great it is working with DC... since some IP holders have NO clue. (amazingly the only other 3rd party IP they had worked with was SWG... since they bought MxO to get DC...)
It would also be quite clear that LEC couldn't force the NGE.. which is quite different than asking for the game to go into another direciton aka a mandate. SOE could have always not agreed to do so and would have lost the license *gasp* what a concept.
Then there is that little comment from the LEC guy.. you know Haden... Blackman.. about how they started to try to cross platform (they being LEC) in 2005... and then there was that console book for SWG that kept showing up on Amazon.com after the NGE...
I mean I can re-invent things that happened or leave out other facts to push my points I suppose.
The Brenlo thing was classic.. and it does take on a whole different appearance.. when you leave out what happened after.
As one poster put it, soe took full credit for the changes. Thats news to me too. I assumed that was the case from the beginning.
I am sorry to speak to you bluntly, even rudly, but not only is it obvious that you are making up this 'a SOE developer secretly told my buddy at a fanfair that it was all LAs fault' nonsense but your continued, semi-literate abuse of other posters in this thread goes a long way to showing what kind of people play and enjoy the NGE. People like yourself.
Huh... thats cool. I didn't know about Brenlo and all that. I was too busy boycotting the changes at the time.
**Returned SWG Player**
Yeah, I used to hate the game because of NGE as much as anyone, but I've been playing the game since Feb. 2008 and have honestly had a good time. If you hate the game, fantastic, move along. Its all been said before and your continuous griefing just makes you look like a sad individual with nothing better to do.
As one poster put it, soe took full credit for the changes. Thats news to me too. I assumed that was the case from the beginning.
I am sorry to speak to you bluntly, even rudly, but not only is it obvious that you are making up this 'a SOE developer secretly told my buddy at a fanfair that it was all LAs fault' nonsense but your continued, semi-literate abuse of other posters in this thread goes a long way to showing what kind of people play and enjoy the NGE. People like yourself.
Haha I see, and you're so much better obviously. You rise above the hate and refrain from abusing other posters. Oh wait...If we're to use the same logic you just used, and blatanty apply it to all swg haters, the way you blanket label "nge enjoyers", I guess it goes a long way to showing what kind of people hate swg.
Now, I'm not that stupid to make blanket assumptions. I know most people who hate swg are decent folks and I don't hate or blame them for not liking swg. I respect their decision to not play the game. Its the vocal, angry, spiteful minority (yes, they're a majority on this forum but in the real world people say "swg? what's that?") who spend so much time spewing anger on this forum that I'm confused by.
**Returned SWG Player**
Yeah, I used to hate the game because of NGE as much as anyone, but I've been playing the game since Feb. 2008 and have honestly had a good time. If you hate the game, fantastic, move along. Its all been said before and your continuous griefing just makes you look like a sad individual with nothing better to do.
Oh well, when the game gets canned then this long war between the two $OE love and HATE will end finally end. Which I really hope is soon since it seem no communication is taking place at the SWG forums about pretty much anything the communication between the community and the devs as I have dug thru has been getting less so it seems something is going on there insidiously.....
He he. No, that's precisely what you have done:
"You can be part of the solution or part of the cry babies who just can't let the CU and NGE go. Whether they admit it or not though, no one listens to the cry babies anymore (except themselves)". Talk about blanket assumptions, eh?
Seriously - how old are you?
and this war will go on. no game or mmo should be anything like the nge.
He he. No, that's precisely what you have done:
"You can be part of the solution or part of the cry babies who just can't let the CU and NGE go. Whether they admit it or not though, no one listens to the cry babies anymore (except themselves)". Talk about blanket assumptions, eh?
Seriously - how old are you?
Lets see, people who flame soe either have spoken with their wallets, by cancelling the game and denying the evil empire more money (an action which I support). Some demand pre-CU/NGE star wars, which isn't going to happen. Therefore, nothing is changing because of further flaming. Therefore, no one is listening to the angry flamers.Do you seriously think some suit at soe is going to say "ZOMG! AngryForumGuy#215 says our game is teh suxorz! Quick! Change everything!". If you're as smart as you think you are, you know corporations only respond to economic stimuli, for the most part. Once you stop paying for a product, and no longer affect their bottom line directly, you lose their attention.
Anything short of a major negative press campaign, and I mean something like major stories and coverage on CNN and the major news channels about a company wont really reach their attention nearly as much as people refusing to pay for their product. I highly doubt CNN will do a story on salvaje's hate mongering. There have already been stories in the New York Times and USA today about the NGE, but its old news now. Even that didn't bring pre-CU back or pull the plug on the game.
So, in short, no one is listening. Feel free to show me where I"m wrong.
**Returned SWG Player**
Yeah, I used to hate the game because of NGE as much as anyone, but I've been playing the game since Feb. 2008 and have honestly had a good time. If you hate the game, fantastic, move along. Its all been said before and your continuous griefing just makes you look like a sad individual with nothing better to do.
No, seriously - how old are you?
No, seriously - how old are you?
You sir, are a master at debate. Truly a master debater. A cunning linguist.
**Returned SWG Player**
Yeah, I used to hate the game because of NGE as much as anyone, but I've been playing the game since Feb. 2008 and have honestly had a good time. If you hate the game, fantastic, move along. Its all been said before and your continuous griefing just makes you look like a sad individual with nothing better to do.
I don't agree with that.. and I'll say find me a quote that claims they were 100% behind it all.
What you will find is that that they developed/implemented it.
It has never been revealed who mandated the changes.
The better response imho would be the simple...
1) who cares
2) it doesn't matter now/anymore
Brenlo, on the old Lithium OBoards, responded to a post asking the direct question (paraphrased) 'Did LEC mandate SOE make the NGE changes?' by saying that LEC did not force SOE to make or implement the NGE, but that the folks at SOE conceived and implemented the changes. Jeff Freeman posted on this forum that the NGE changed were not forced on SOE by LEC. John Smedley has said that LEC did not force the NGE on SOE.
It was the folks at SOE who decided to revamp the game. It was the folks at LEC that allowed them to do so.
That's the problem with forums... its like rewriting history.
Brenlo did make such a post. It was then stated that he was "incorrect" and he withdrew his comment after that. Wow... amazing how it has such a different context when you apply the history that happened after that part.
Smedley has also never made any such statement.
What he has said.. is how great it is working with DC... since some IP holders have NO clue. (amazingly the only other 3rd party IP they had worked with was SWG... since they bought MxO to get DC...)
It would also be quite clear that LEC couldn't force the NGE.. which is quite different than asking for the game to go into another direciton aka a mandate. SOE could have always not agreed to do so and would have lost the license *gasp* what a concept.
Then there is that little comment from the LEC guy.. you know Haden... Blackman.. about how they started to try to cross platform (they being LEC) in 2005... and then there was that console book for SWG that kept showing up on Amazon.com after the NGE...
I mean I can re-invent things that happened or leave out other facts to push my points I suppose.
The Brenlo thing was classic.. and it does take on a whole different appearance.. when you leave out what happened after.
Brenlo never retracted his statement. He specifically said LEC didn't force the NGE on SOE, or force SOE to alter the game. The Smed posted on the old Lithium boards that the NGE was SOE's, as well as in a few interviews. Several folks from the SOE Austin studio said it was SOE's mistake at the Austin GDC in 2006.
The Smed's blog post had to do with the fact that Warner Brothers has basically given SOE free reign to develop MxO and DCO as they see fit, with little to no oversight (basically the folks at Warner don't care what SOE does with their IP). It had nothing to do with anyone from LEC forcing SOE to make changes to the game. It has to do with the fact that LEC wouldn't let SOE implement things that the Lucas folks though would damage their IP. Considering all the crap that has been done to the game, just think how bad the things had to be for LEC to say "No".
The folks at SOE came up with the NGE and took the idea to LEC to get permission to implement it, like everything else the SOE developers have wanted to put in the game. The NGE was SOE's baby. LEC allowed them to implement it.
You guys should read Jeff Freemans posts about the NGE on soesucks.net. He states how the executives at SOE and Lucas Arts did not like SWG as it was before the Pre CU. So it came from the top as well. Personally the game is old and dated. It really lacks "true" Star Wars content. The artwork has become worse for each new release of content. Or they rehash existing content. The avatars need a huge face lift. I think its just time to state the vets won. Subscriptions are low. Servers are empty. It is now too late for a roll back. And still they refuse to add one classic server. And in all honesty I don't ever want to touch another SOE game ever again. CCP treats thier community with respect.
Until that day, all we can know for sure is that one idiot in one company, either SOE or LA, said; 'Let's throw away what we've got now in the hope of getting more of the things we don't have the technical expertise or human skills to manage even if we did get' and another idiot at the other company, either LA or SOE said, 'Yes, I agree'.
I genuinely believe that one day the whole SOE-LA-NGE fiasco will be written up by some academic as a textbook cautionary tale of how not to throw away tens of millions of dollars of revenue in the MMO sector.
Until that day, all we can know for sure is that one idiot in one company, either SOE or LA, said; 'Let's throw away what we've got now in the hope of getting more of the things we don't have the technical expertise or human skills to manage even if we did get' and another idiot at the other company, either LA or SOE said, 'Yes, I agree'.
exactly.........
If Brenlo ever slithered into a room with me (and he'd have to move like Jabba to get there), I'd spit in his face for the crap he said back in 2005.
SOE coded the NGE.
SOE sold an expansion pack containing items they knew were going to be useless in a couple weeks.
SOE accepted payment for multi-month accounts knowing they were about to make massive changes to the game.
SOE lied when they said the CU was "here to stay".
Of course LucasArts had to approve anything that went into the game but I think what happened was Smed got obsessed with WoW when he saw how massively popular it was and he went to LA and sold them a bill of goods, promising that subs would skyrocket if the game was more "Star Warsy" and "iconic". Despite all of that, SOE is responsible for the NGE and responsible for how it treated its customers in the aftermath.
Its funny how similar both groups are. Though I gotta say..the OP is being treated far better than the last "hater" who made a post clearly stating it was a rumor. Even making posts about it in other threads tearing him apart. Even after the OP dropped some insults in at the end of the post for no reason. which is the best way to know you're full of it. If you have to insult those who may disagree with you before they disagree..to some how invalidate their opinions...in a forum made for them where you know they will disagree. you're as bad if not worse than any hater. To me it seems they have more going on in their lives than others.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Please do not come to these forums and get all preachy like some G** D*** reformed smoker.
Fine, you gave up and went back to SWG. Good for you, but we all know that SOE gave you and the other vets a great big F-You and kicked you all to the curb in favor of their imaginary new subscriber base that never showed up.
Now please don't come here and get all moral about anyone not tossing in the towel and just accepting SWG. You sold out, fine, but don't turn into some history revisionist hipocrite just so you don't feel guilty for empowering SOE with your subscription money. Your preachy sig shows just how far people have to go to feel ok with their choice to go back to that game and also lends support that your story is purely made up B***SH** so you can 'educate' the vets.
The fact is SOE has never tried to mend bridges with the angry vets they screwed over, let alone change their business practices so there is no reason for anyone to return kind favor to SOE.