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delete5230
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I've been around the block as far as AoC forums, and had found much much better and more open Web sites than this one for AoC, People are able to express their opinions openly. And I'm only talking about AoC forum, mmorpg is a good source of information on all other games.
People are watching and controling what is talked about here, and YES I understand about NDA and all, but it's like you have the DEVS or NDA watching over your sholders, more so than any other threads.
I had not seen one person say that they are in closed beta, just people talking about what they had found and people guessing only to get squashed or threatened to be kicked by other posters.
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I actually made a thead for this, here's the link:
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/thread/172274
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Many people have close friends like me who are in the AoC beta. My friends tell me alot about the game and its not the game for me by a large number. I think the real reason for an NDA is so that mmo makers can sucker hype followers into buying the game who did not get into the beta. Its 100% true that mmo websites control people when they point out the bad but are all for the hype.
Best bet is to talk to guildmates, friends and so on about the game. You wont find what you are looking for on popular mmo websites since everything posted is under control. I can already see alot of anger posts after AoC is released.
I agree some what . But what i am wondering is why is the NDA still in place when we are so close to launch ?
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If you have found better, then why post this? Seriously - if you do not like these forums, then why troll them? I have not seen a single positive post by you in the Age of Conan forums. So either you are doing two things:
1. Basing your opinions on no information and simply have a problem with Funcom or Age of Conan.
Well said.2. Have leaked beta information and trying to use a round-about way of telling people the game sucks. This is still a violation of the NDA.
My money is on the first one but even if you have leaked beta information, you are listening to someone's understanding of a game in beta. Am I going to give you the "its beta - thats okay" excuse? No, but you are taking someone's opinions in beta and thats the problem. How do you know they aren't making it up? How do you know they didn't play the game for 5 minutes and stop? How do you know that they might just hate Funcom because of Anarchy Online? How do you know their information is sound? See thats my point....until the NDA is dropped you don't.
See, I actually like these forums. Do i get tired of posting to defend the game from one-liner trolls who have no evidence and actually thinks the community cares? Yeah I do. The information provided in these threads is great and there is a lot of good open discussion about the game. I think Avery in particular does a great job linking info and providing info for us to read.
You want to know why it seems like a more tight-lipped, guarded discussion here? Its because we cannot have a good discussion of the game without tons of troll posts interrupting the discussion and it gets frustrating. Good discussion threads get derailed all the time because of one-liners and troll posts. So yeah, the community here is a little more on edge and apt to take a "we don't take crap" stance. But to understand why, you really don't need to look any further than threads like this.
As for the NDA, well, it's their perogative. I'm guessing it will get dropped mid to late April. BUt who knows, it could drop on Monday. *shrug*
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Some people seem adamant about the game being close to launch, but is it? Only the developers can tell for real.
Look, I've learned a lot about AoC the real story, and lots of it. And I can't say a single thing, not even one, I'm having a hard time watching post after post of Funcom features only to know some cold hard facts.
There are people overseeing what is discussed here and more so than many other sites, its not mmorpg's fault, but this is taking away from what forums are all about and YES I can read rules but some FANS are really taking it upon themselfs to govern the rules to protect, causing one ended topics. How much longer is this NDA stuff gonna last, its coming close to release and no facts at all, at least on this particular forum.
Everything above are Facts not troll !!!
Everything above what? I'm trying to find what you're pointing at but I don't see it. Was it erased?
What's odd is the moderation. Last year I mentioned hearing some negative feedback out of the Tabula Rasa beta, that was it, "negative comments". I got a nasty email from a moderator, then when I commented on it I got suspended. I've seen worse things posted here without comment or censure. Where's the consistency?
It's not odd. If you say "beta testing has shown this" then actual beta testers, people that sleep with beta testers and friends of people that sleep with beta testers will be inclined to either agree or disagree with you.
The forum then degenerates into:
"This <new game> sucks. Everything we've been told is lies!" and the occasional "No it doesn't, I've seen it and it's awsum!"
Who wants to go to a forum full of that? I'm not interested in arguments and most opinions without verifiable substantiation.
And mmorpg.com would get sued if NDA breaking became rampant which it would if the cat got let out of the bag.
I'm just glad i don't work with some of you people, you would be running into the boss telling him everything. I see that their are about 10 of you, and your controlling this forum. If they all went on vacation at the same time, then this would be like other AoC forums. However I'm sure they would bring their laptops to watch anyway. I wish I could list them then most would understand, one in particular that's here in the evening is really bad.
If we were to believe Funcom and the folks over at the Acolytes about AoC, you'd find that AoC is the most perfect game ever invented for all gamers everywhere. We'd find there were never any delays in AoC's release, just opportunities to take extra time to make the game better. There was never any lies coming out of the Funcom offices that March 28 was golden on a certain Friday's world press event and then the very next day it is announced a push back to May 20th.
Don't get me wrong here, I really like Avery, Aef, Redruum, Skull and the gang over there. My only problem with Avery is that once in a while he'll say stuff like "I'll admit that could have been done better" but the bottom line is you will never see any of them say anything bad about AoC or Funcom. It was an not an accident that Avery was one of those selected to go to Norway to see the game. The Acolytes have a long standing history with Funcom with a few of them having direct access to devs. They are a reliable source of informtion because, and I hate to say it, but you have to remember they are in Funcom's back pocket. Their leader, Redruum, even had armor named after him in AO. You can even read about that it books on Amazon.com
You just need to learn where to get your information. Like I said, I like Avery and many of the Acolytes a lot. He is a great guy. He wouldn't do anyone wrong. Saying that, everything he does post is very subjective and pro-AoC.
The problem here is, when we have so many fanbois swarming this site, anything and everything any fabois sees as trolling they will report. Any beta leak will get reported quickly here. The only reason why the AoC forums are so closely moderated is that you have several big guilds swarming this site daily. LIke it or not, those big guilds like the Acolytes, can and will report any leak very quickly.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Bah, I was not reported ... lol
Word of advice... don't go posting AoC beta leaks here on these forums when the AoC beta is offline. I can pretty much assure you that you will be noticed and reported almost instantly. AoC beta testers get very angry about their AoC when the server is down.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Actually the correct word is bored.
"... when the AoC beta is offline ..." implies a certain knowledge. Say hi PvP, feels lonely sometimes.
I agree 100% with shannia but I will add that a nda is a good thing,It doesnt matter how much you think about who you give a beta key too you will ALWAYS get a bad tester,These so called testers are the 1s you see the posts"this game sucks"or"there is so much wrong with this game"etc etc,They dont understand that is the reason they got the key,they seem to think that devs are giving them access to a free game,when in truth they are doing a job,the people shannia listed,avery etc love there game and fair play to them but sometimes you have to shift through the fanboi stuff.I for 1 though would rather listen to someone that loves the game saying things like"yeah they could have done that better" than to hear some guy that only wanted a free game saying"this game sux"
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Most of Avery's posts from what I've seen are information. Sure now and then he'll post an opinion to a general question posed as anyone does, but by and large mosts of his posts are the information so far released and new stuff thats just come out. Now forgoing his guild long term relationship with funcom most of that has little to do with fanboism.
Releasing info is helpful not fanboi, how many times have you seen him joining in the AOC suck WAR ftw!!! threads? Even if the guy worked for funcom I would say it was a good idea like a handy mmorpg's AOC encycolpedia.
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I wish you could meet Berg from the Acolytes, Avery has nothing on him. They have one guy in there that has a link to every single AoC artilce ever posted anywhere on the net as soon as the post goes live. I used to give him hell about it when I was with the guild. He would link stuff from the most obscure places. Like he was CIA or something. The whole point of mine is that you won't see Avery release anything negative about AoC. That is the definition of a fanbois. Just like a troll, you won't see them post anything positive about AoC. That is why they are called trolls. Yes, Avery's posts are informative. But, the fact remains, the information Avery feeds us is like insider trading.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Funcom forums are tightly moderated....in case you didn't know.I critizied their 2 week delay in responding to the PRAYER TO THE GODS contest and had my comments shut down in 10 minutes.They have zero tolerance for any criticism on their forums.
They are not the only ones though. In fact, I've heard complains of this sort about every game's forum that was in pre-release phase (from the recent releases). Only WAR doesn't seem to have an official forum (could be others as well, this is a AAA title however), so I guess people will complain about the fan-site moderators instead.
Amazing Avery his here to promote AoC only,
" Avery you have done well as our student, now go out to our public and help us market, be weary of the ones that strike against us, as they try and cause harm to us and our quest to keep information from them, you have a strong weapon to aid you and this weapon is called the NDA use it well my son, Would you like some diciples ? then I will grant you them. Do well my son "
Well tbh TCoS forums are pretty open,I have seen a couple of posts that could be looked on as anti game but they arent closed or deleted unless there are just troll bait,some game devs do like to hear it from both sides.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
I think that is unfair and very much uncalled for,you only make yourself look foolish now!
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
This thread seems pointless. OP (among others) is basically bemoaning the fact that MMORPG.com will not let him reveal knowledge obtained by him or his friends that is prohibited by the NDA agreement. So you are whining about not being able to break the rules?
While rules are not laws (the difference strictly being in the enforcement/penalties) the fact is, breaking either is wrong. Yes, plain wrong. If your friends are in the beta, and tell you anything about it, they are wrong to do so and are breaking the rules. You may think there's no problem with that, just as you probably illegally burn music/video and whatever, but doesn't change the fact its wrong. (sort of a black and white issue, no shades of gray in between)
I respect the moderators and players who respect the NDA and work to keep information from the beta off the forums. I report any violators that I find on a regular basis, because.... I follow the rules, and expect other folks to do the same.
If you can't stand knowing something and being unable to share the knowledge, I suggest you quit following games so closely and talking about them with your friends. That way you'll have nothing to say.
Wait...that's sort of where we are now. Nm, same difference.
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