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  • IsUberLeetIsUberLeet Member Posts: 104

    I don't do pot, I don't do any drugs on that note. All I have to say is that, as stated above, pot is not that deadly. Yes it can kill you believe it or not so can sucking helium or doing anything foreign into your body. Yes it is addictive, so is smoking cigarettes and when you smoke them you normally smoke one or two packs A DAY school told me smoking pot is like smoking 5 cigarettes. People I know that smoke pot will smoke 1 maybe 2 joints a day thats ten cigarettes, 2 packs of cigarettes are more than that. I'm all for legalization and, even though I wouldn't do it, I think people with self control should be allowed to.

  • SheistaSheista Member UncommonPosts: 1,203

    Alright, let's look at other ways to intake marijuana then besides smoking it.  A vaporizer is the safest way possible.  A heating pad heats the marijuana to the point where it releases the THC in concentrated vapor form which you then inhale.  It is no different than breathing air.  No smoke at all.

    Cooking with pot.  Another safe form.  There are alternative methods other than smoking it.  If they made it legal, only if you used certain methods with it, I wonder how many people would be in favor then; assuming the FDA was actually truthful and up front about these methods as opposed to flat out lying about them.  I would gladly go out and buy a vaporizer if it meant I could use marijuana legally.

    And you'd have to be an idiot to die from marijuana overdose.  Iam fairly sure it is physically impossible to overdose from it.  Scientists tested this theory on a rodent and in order to kill the rat with marijuana he had to take proportionally some 15,000 times the amount of THC intake that would be considered normal.  Concentrated, all at once.

    It would be impossible for any person to do that because of proportional differences - IE 15,000 times the normal amount for a person's body size/weight.  Yeah, not going to happen.  Nobody has ever overdosed on marijuana, and nobody ever will.

    As for it being addictive, like people said above.  There is absolutely no physical addiction with marijuana.  None, not at all.  There can be a mental addiction just like there can be with caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, or any other daily vices that people use.  Hell, some people just need their starbucks and they're just as addicted to that.  The mental addiction does not affect everyone, and it just depends on the person.  I was able to stop smoking pot the moment I said "Eh.. not worth it right now" because I needed to find work.

    Those people who have a mental addiction would be -just as likely- to try and become addicted to something worse like cocaine or meth.  Not -more- likely, simply because they smoked pot.  Pot doesn't cause other addictions.

  • grimweepergrimweeper Member Posts: 2,047

    Originally posted by IsUberLeet


     Yes it can kill you believe it or not so can sucking helium or doing anything foreign into your body. Yes it is addictive, so is smoking cigarettes and when you smoke them you normally smoke one or two packs A DAY school told me smoking pot is like smoking 5 cigarettes. People I know that smoke pot will smoke 1 maybe 2 joints a day thats ten cigarettes, 2 packs of cigarettes are more than that. I'm all for legalization and, even though I wouldn't do it, I think people with self control should be allowed to.
    No it cannot kill you there is not one report of a marijuana overdose.  Please find me a report of a marijuana overdose, i searched for days on end before my first time smoking pot because i was that paranoid.

    Psycologically not physically, but then again so is gaming and chocolate.  A friend of mine smoked a blunt a day for a month and decided to quit for lent. Guess what? he quit with no problem at all

    Who runs schools? Mainly the government with the exception of private schools, its just another place to fill the minds of the youths with propoganda, i dont endorse using marijuana but i dont endorse lying either.  The reason it is equal to 5 cigaretts is because the most common form of smoking involves no filter where as a cigarette includes one, but dont worry you may effortlessly buy filters almost anywhere.

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  • wyvexwyvex Member UncommonPosts: 346
    Originally posted by mike470


    Ok, well if anyone is trying to compare drugs to alcohol is wrong...Anyone remember prohibation in the 1920's?  It led to mehem, forcing people to legalize alcohol again.  With alcohol, society could not be the way it is.
    As for my statements-
    http://www.allpotseeds.com/bad-effects-of-pot.html
     


    As for brain damage-
    http://www.medicalmarijuanaprocon.org/bin/procon/procon.cgi?database=5-C-Subs-1.db&command=viewone&op=t&id=26&rnd=867.1812321533353

    neither of the web sites information is sited. almost all of the web sites that are not against cannabis and for it are sited. its not worth trying to prove cannabis bad anymore because you just get proved wrong as soon as you try to spread the word that its bad

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  • DailyBuzzDailyBuzz Member Posts: 2,306

     

    Originally posted by grimweeper


     


    I would also like to add that the only studies that have ever shown cannabis to be bad are government studies, but then again those results are obviously biased. 

    While I agree with the gist of your post, I have to point out that this particular statement isn't completely accurate. Many government studies have supported the notion that marijuana is not harmful. In fact, most have recommended the legalization of small amounts of marijuana for personal use. The disconnect comes from the politicians who blindly ignore the findings of these studies in an effort to maintain the tax dollars devoted to the continuation of the 'drug-war'.

     

    www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/studies.htm

    Partucularly fascinating (to me anyway) is the DEA Chief Administrative Law Judge ruling on medical marijuana from 1988.

  • mike470mike470 General CorrespondentMember Posts: 2,396

    I don't plan on winning this arguement, but I will say this.

    Anything done underage is bound to cause problems.  Look at drinking, kids who start underaged, around the age of 15, have much more of a chance of becoming alcoholics.  This is why I am waiting until at least college.  Now with your statements of propaganda, what's wrong with that?  It's not like the weed is good for you.  I would rather have propaganda in kids heads instead of saying "oh, nothing is wrong, do it as much as you wnat".  Well if that happens, (especially underaged), we probably will see more drug addicts on the street.  They start to steal money for drugs possibly, or they get into worse drugs from their drug dealer, or some other druggies they meat.  I already see kids underaged screwing up their lives with all different kinds of drugs and alcohol.  The propaganda is the only thing keeping more kids away from drugs, and if it does that, then that is good. 

    And you could say "oh well look at me, I came out fine!"  Well, unfortuanately, some don't. 

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  • KhuzarrzKhuzarrz Member Posts: 578

    Originally posted by mike470


    I don't plan on winning this arguement, but I will say this.
    The most honourable position to take in an argument in my opinion :) Nice one! (no sarcasm btw)
    Anything done underage is bound to cause problems.  Look at drinking, kids who start underaged, around the age of 15, have much more of a chance of becoming alcoholics.  This is why I am waiting until at least college.  Now with your statements of propaganda, what's wrong with that?  It's not like the weed is good for you.  I would rather have propaganda in kids heads instead of saying "oh, nothing is wrong, do it as much as you wnat".  Well if that happens, (especially underaged), we probably will see more drug addicts on the street.  They start to steal money for drugs possibly, or they get into worse drugs from their drug dealer, or some other druggies they meat.  I already see kids underaged screwing up their lives with all different kinds of drugs and alcohol.  The propaganda is the only thing keeping more kids away from drugs, and if it does that, then that is good. 
    And you could say "oh well look at me, I came out fine!"  Well, unfortuanately, some don't. 

    I think the causational argument you're using about underage consumption is illogical. From my own personal experience, the people who start drinking much younger are the people exposed to alcoholic parents, or people with serious issues in their private lives. Confronted with the same issues, and using the same coping method (alcohol, in this example), any adult is just as likely and a child to fall foul of the dependant line.

     

    Lying to kids to 'keep them safe' is a VERY thin sheet of ice to creep across. Given the natural teenage tendancy observable almost universally, to question authority and 'explore' their independance, I know full well that once the world 'opened up' to me and I started to do my own research and question the fallacies I was taught, that was the perfect reason to go and try out what I wasn't supposed to. I'm currently happy saying that I haven't tried cannibis myself, at the ripe old age of 18, BUT I want to. For two reasons; firstly, my current view of the world is that it's something to be experienced. Denying myself what is always reported as a pleasant experience based on danger to an otherwise arguably purposeless existance is questionable, but denying it purely based on fallacies I've since learnt aren't factual is stupid. And thus my second reason; sheer contempt for the false education I received in school on the subject (that and many other subjects. Was anyone else told that the sun was a stationary object? Why do that?! It's no more difficult for us to contemplate "moon revolves around planet, revolves around sun, revolves around galaxy" than it is "moon revolves around planet, revolves around sun" at 11 years old, and yet I received my first ever detention for asking to cite a website that my teacher could 'correct [their] knowledge' on ;) LONG brackets.).

     

    I also think that, considering the uptake of drugs currently, based on an (flawed) education system(talking about the UK here) that is SEVERLY biased against drugs, people will do it whether they're told it's instantly lethal or not. Look at cigarettes. The information about them taught in schools is FACTUAL and yet 1/3 of the country smoke. If uptake of cocaine were that high we'd have another prohibition issue on our hands ;)

  • mike470mike470 General CorrespondentMember Posts: 2,396

    Originally posted by Khuzarrz


     
    Originally posted by mike470


    I don't plan on winning this arguement, but I will say this.
    The most honourable position to take in an argument in my opinion :) Nice one! (no sarcasm btw)
    Anything done underage is bound to cause problems.  Look at drinking, kids who start underaged, around the age of 15, have much more of a chance of becoming alcoholics.  This is why I am waiting until at least college.  Now with your statements of propaganda, what's wrong with that?  It's not like the weed is good for you.  I would rather have propaganda in kids heads instead of saying "oh, nothing is wrong, do it as much as you wnat".  Well if that happens, (especially underaged), we probably will see more drug addicts on the street.  They start to steal money for drugs possibly, or they get into worse drugs from their drug dealer, or some other druggies they meat.  I already see kids underaged screwing up their lives with all different kinds of drugs and alcohol.  The propaganda is the only thing keeping more kids away from drugs, and if it does that, then that is good. 
    And you could say "oh well look at me, I came out fine!"  Well, unfortuanately, some don't. 

     

    I think the causational argument you're using about underage consumption is illogical. From my own personal experience, the people who start drinking much younger are the people exposed to alcoholic parents, or people with serious issues in their private lives. Confronted with the same issues, and using the same coping method (alcohol, in this example), any adult is just as likely and a child to fall foul of the dependant line.

     

    Lying to kids to 'keep them safe' is a VERY thin sheet of ice to creep across. Given the natural teenage tendancy observable almost universally, to question authority and 'explore' their independance, I know full well that once the world 'opened up' to me and I started to do my own research and question the fallacies I was taught, that was the perfect reason to go and try out what I wasn't supposed to. I'm currently happy saying that I haven't tried cannibis myself, at the ripe old age of 18, BUT I want to. For two reasons; firstly, my current view of the world is that it's something to be experienced. Denying myself what is always reported as a pleasant experience based on danger to an otherwise arguably purposeless existance is questionable, but denying it purely based on fallacies I've since learnt aren't factual is stupid. And thus my second reason; sheer contempt for the false education I received in school on the subject (that and many other subjects. Was anyone else told that the sun was a stationary object? Why do that?! It's no more difficult for us to contemplate "moon revolves around planet, revolves around sun, revolves around galaxy" than it is "moon revolves around planet, revolves around sun" at 11 years old, and yet I received my first ever detention for asking to cite a website that my teacher could 'correct [their] knowledge' on ;) LONG brackets.).

     

    I also think that, considering the uptake of drugs currently, based on an (flawed) education system(talking about the UK here) that is SEVERLY biased against drugs, people will do it whether they're told it's instantly lethal or not. Look at cigarettes. The information about them taught in schools is FACTUAL and yet 1/3 of the country smoke. If uptake of cocaine were that high we'd have another prohibition issue on our hands ;)


    You bring up many good points..  But lying to kids has worked rather well on my mind.  I am 14 years ol, and I am scared as hell of any drug.  I don't plan at touching them at all in my life, wether or not the studies and propoganda is true or not.

    But it is not true that people will do it if it is illegal or not.  If I am a parent and my kid is around 10, then I would never think about smoking, becuase sooner or later, kids will find out.  Then one day the parent is with their friends, and she decides to smoke.   And once the kids find out, they'll think that if my parents do it, then so can I.  And then they do  it at a younger age, which can lead to issues.

    But everything else I agree with.  +5 debate points :D

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  • This thread makes me lol!

     

    We're in the beginning stages of World War III and martial law is about to be declared in the US...and you want us to gather to demand the right to smoke pot?

     

    I guess smoking pot really does make people stupid!

  • DailyBuzzDailyBuzz Member Posts: 2,306
    Originally posted by mike470


    I don't plan on winning this arguement, but I will say this.
    Anything done underage is bound to cause problems.  Look at drinking, kids who start underaged, around the age of 15, have much more of a chance of becoming alcoholics.  This is why I am waiting until at least college.
    Very intuitive and a sound argument. This is a major problem in the U.S. Unfortunately, this is a social problem and not an addiction problem. Anyone expereiences a certain degree of detachment from friends and family when searching for their independence. However, the adolescents that fall victim to addiction are generally the ones that are using illicit substances to self-medicate for an undiagnosed affliction. Condemning these kids to a life battling a criminal record is only exacerbating the problem, and in no way helping to solve it.
     Now with your statements of propaganda, what's wrong with that?  It's not like the weed is good for you.  I would rather have propaganda in kids heads instead of saying "oh, nothing is wrong, do it as much as you wnat".  Well if that happens, (especially underaged), we probably will see more drug addicts on the street.  They start to steal money for drugs possibly, or they get into worse drugs from their drug dealer, or some other druggies they meat.  I already see kids underaged screwing up their lives with all different kinds of drugs and alcohol.  The propaganda is the only thing keeping more kids away from drugs, and if it does that, then that is good. 
    My problem with propaganda is that lying to the public is not a successful way to keep them happy or productive. All it does is keep them fearful of matters they have no experience with. The propaganda has been around for at least 70 years and it does not work, it merely panders to a select group of the indignant. What we need is honest and open civil discourse, to educate children about the pitfalls that alcohol and drugs entail. Talk with children and support them through their troubles instead of allowing them to force themselves into self-medicating through contrition.
    And you could say "oh well look at me, I came out fine!"  Well, unfortuanately, some don't. 
    I am fine now, not that this has always been the case. I am an addict/alcoholic and I've suffered many years of torment from these diseases. I do not drink or use any illegal substances. I will not use marijuana if and when it becomes legal to do so. I just happen to be a person who has experience with drugs, drug laws, and drug users, and know first hand what's true and what's untrue. There are some great social systems out there to help break addiction. I only wish we could utilize these funds to keep kids off of drugs instead of looking to the courts and prisons to do so.
     

     

  • Zerocool032Zerocool032 Member Posts: 729

    Why does every cannabis thread turn into a health debate?

    You dont see a health debate when people talk about going to a bar.  And theres no debate on whats more harmful.  /irony

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  • Wharg0ulWharg0ul Member Posts: 4,183

    You see, the problem is, if pot were legalized, people might open their eyes a little and start thinking for themselves...and we can't have THAT now can we??

    On the other hand, if alcohol were made illegal, none of these sad sacks would ever get laid again....

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  • mike470mike470 General CorrespondentMember Posts: 2,396

    Originally posted by Wharg0ul


    You see, the problem is, if pot were legalized, people might open their eyes a little and start thinking for themselves...and we can't have THAT now can we??
    On the other hand, if alcohol were made illegal, none of these sad sacks would ever get laid again....

    If alcohol was illegal, we would have a flashback of the 1920's....

    ..and some people wouldn't get laid

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  • De4th_M0nKeeDe4th_M0nKee Member Posts: 203

    I think ALL drugs should be legal, taxed, controlled and educated/discussed in a real fashion. Prohibition  is a monumental failure at doing anything other than putting people in prison.

     

    There were no anti-drug laws at all in the U.S. until the turn of the 20th century. When, because people thought it might not be so hot that kids should be given things like "Laudenum", "Opium" and "Heroin" for their teething pains. That was a good idea at the time. Because the average person knew exactly squat about drugs, or even what was in the "Medication" they were feeding little Timmy.

     

    Times they have a changed. I am NOT by any means saying that you should be able to pop in to a Wal-Mart and grab a 1000 qty bottle of OxyContin off the shelf. I mean you can't do that with a machine gun either.The difference is I could go to a gun shop and acquire a small arsenal after waiting a month or so and legally use them any way I see fit as long as I don't break any laws with them. I could even use one to blow my head off if I chose to do so. But I cannot go to my drugstore as an adult and legally ask for any drug I want ( If I need it or not isn't the question) take it home and use it as I please.

     

    Laws are already in place for the control of some drugs. You can't legally drink and drive, smoke indoors, be drunk at work or drink under the age of 21.

    Taking the criminal element OUT of drugs would save 1000s of lives every year. We should at the very least TRY legalization and control because prohibition kills people.

    Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Give a fish a man and he will eat for a month!

  • SigneSigne Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,524
    Originally posted by Wharg0ul


    You see, the problem is, if pot were legalized, people might open their eyes a little and start thinking for themselves...and we can't have THAT now can we??
    On the other hand, if alcohol were made illegal, none of these sad sacks would ever get laid again....

    I am a card carrying member of UGWWGLIAWI (Ugly Girls Who Wouldn't Get Laid If Alcohol Was Illegal) and I resemble your  comment!

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