Well to be honest i know way to little about what time a game like Darkfall will need for balancing and other stuffs. Im just too unexperienced in that area. My belief in there info is basically based on being in internal beta for a long time balancing and bug testing the game. Might be your right that it will take longer time then they assume. Lets hope for the best.=)
You don't have to know much about it to make a solid comparative guess. In the very least, this game offers twice the testable content of WoW. If WoW needed "X" amount of time to do beta and STILL had some bugs...its a safe bet that this game will need "X+Y" where "Y" is affected by how many members are on the team.
We certainly DON'T want them forcing the game out in some half-crap state. After all this time, it would be suicide to release with anything LESS than super polish.
Why even bother posting a link to this article? It means, and proves nothing, and is barely worth the memory it is printed on. I mean, if this guy was the leader of a known, and respected guild that had some credibility, then you'd have something. But as it stands, this article is worth no more then the worthless "dev-logs" that keep popping up every 2 weeks that contain nothing more then boring screen-shots, and/or videos that seem scripted. At this point the ONLY thing that is going to quell the arguments that inevitably pop-up about Darkfall is if the devs cut the nonsense and let someone with some type of credibility in there to get hands on time with the game. The fact of the matter is that NOTHING has been shown that actually confirms there is a playable game here. And no, the screen-shots we've seen, and the videos that don't show any player interaction don't count for squat b/c they aren't actually showing anything that can't be cooked up relatively quickly using the SDK from a decent engine. The absolute best thing the devs could do for themselves would be to send out a recent-build of the game to a major gaming news resource, or let one come to them and give them hands-on time with the actual game. You know, the kind of things EVERY SINGLE other game developer does. And yeah, I really don't want to hear any of this BS about the devs not wanting that, or that they are concentrating solely on the development of the game, or they are going to let the game speak for itself, or that they don't have any PR/advertising budget. That is just a pure cop-out and nothing more. The fact of the matter is that we're not talking about taking out ads on websites or in magazines, or even anything that will cost the devs any money at all. There is so much FREE publicity out there in the form of previews and/or hands-on reports from major gaming print and online publications that they aren't using and you have to wonder why. It just doesn't make any sense what-so-ever for the devs to not want their game to get in front of as many people as possible. This whole argument could be over so easily, and you have to wonder why the devs let it go on. They could shut up ALL the naysayers if they just let someone reputable play the game. I mean really, why let some no-name in to play and give a report, but not someone who knows what they're doing?
Well honestly the Dev are getting tons of ree publicity by allow these type of debates to rage across tons of different forums. The more we talk and debate about Darkfall, the more people look into Darkfall which creates more talk and debate about darkfall. If the Devs are smart they keep letting us debate and talk Darkfall for as long as they can before moving on to the next Publicity stunt.
Oh btw I am so sick of hearing about what all the other MMO companies do, what does that have anything to do with anything. Just because the big boys on the block are cramming there shit in our months doesnt mean Darkfall has to follow suit.
I guess many havent read Asp´s article after he played the game and met the Developers in Aventurine studios in Greece. Some interesting reading.=) http://www.lordsofdeath.com/www/?p=12
Lol i remember reading this article last year. It was funny how a gamer calling himself Ass who no one has heard of just happened to be passing through Greece when he got 'invited' to come over to see a year old tech demo instead of the current build of the game because the server 'Happened' to be offline that day.
When will they get someone known and with a reputation to sample this 'game' instead of a nobody?
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
he didnt just get invited he ahd ot go there for a biz trip and they called taso and the agreed to show him arouns its pretty pethitic youa ll cryed a 3rd party hasn t ever bene there and then when they do that you call them liars i have a feeling they could give you beta and youw ill still say its all lies.
he didnt just get invited he ahd ot go there for a biz trip and they called taso and the agreed to show him arouns its pretty pethitic youa ll cryed a 3rd party hasn t ever bene there and then when they do that you call them liars i have a feeling they could give you beta and youw ill still say its all lies. It was planed well before he got there
Could you use a spell checker please as its pretty illegible?
I did read something about this alleged business trip tho in your post. And i point out once again that there is no evidence at all that this person even exists apart from some blogs and web pages?
For all we know Asp is really Darkfalls press person. Such is the power of the Internet you can be anyone and several people with some well placed blogs.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Why even bother posting a link to this article? It means, and proves nothing, and is barely worth the memory it is printed on. I mean, if this guy was the leader of a known, and respected guild that had some credibility, then you'd have something. But as it stands, this article is worth no more then the worthless "dev-logs" that keep popping up every 2 weeks that contain nothing more then boring screen-shots, and/or videos that seem scripted. At this point the ONLY thing that is going to quell the arguments that inevitably pop-up about Darkfall is if the devs cut the nonsense and let someone with some type of credibility in there to get hands on time with the game. The fact of the matter is that NOTHING has been shown that actually confirms there is a playable game here. And no, the screen-shots we've seen, and the videos that don't show any player interaction don't count for squat b/c they aren't actually showing anything that can't be cooked up relatively quickly using the SDK from a decent engine. The absolute best thing the devs could do for themselves would be to send out a recent-build of the game to a major gaming news resource, or let one come to them and give them hands-on time with the actual game. You know, the kind of things EVERY SINGLE other game developer does. And yeah, I really don't want to hear any of this BS about the devs not wanting that, or that they are concentrating solely on the development of the game, or they are going to let the game speak for itself, or that they don't have any PR/advertising budget. That is just a pure cop-out and nothing more. The fact of the matter is that we're not talking about taking out ads on websites or in magazines, or even anything that will cost the devs any money at all. There is so much FREE publicity out there in the form of previews and/or hands-on reports from major gaming print and online publications that they aren't using and you have to wonder why. It just doesn't make any sense what-so-ever for the devs to not want their game to get in front of as many people as possible. This whole argument could be over so easily, and you have to wonder why the devs let it go on. They could shut up ALL the naysayers if they just let someone reputable play the game. I mean really, why let some no-name in to play and give a report, but not someone who knows what they're doing?
Well honestly the Dev are getting tons of ree publicity by allow these type of debates to rage across tons of different forums. The more we talk and debate about Darkfall, the more people look into Darkfall which creates more talk and debate about darkfall. If the Devs are smart they keep letting us debate and talk Darkfall for as long as they can before moving on to the next Publicity stunt.
Oh btw I am so sick of hearing about what all the other MMO companies do, what does that have anything to do with anything. Just because the big boys on the block are cramming there shit in our months doesnt mean Darkfall has to follow suit.
There are two sides to every coin.
Yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. And yes, these discussions have been going on for a long time, and it is getting the name out there, but generally not in a positive way. I mean, that's not the kind of thing you'd really want your game known for is it? That it's the game that promises the world, but hasn't shown anything solid yet and people are thinking it could be vaporware. This discussions doesn't need to be, and really shouldn't even be going on. It's so easy for the devs to put an end to all of it and actually prove that their game is everything they are saying it is yet they don't do it. Why?
Let me ask you this. If you were developing a game, what would you want your game known for? Possibly being vaporware? Or being THE game, not just any run-of-the-mill MMO but a revolutionary one that has solved problems many, many other developers couldn't solve and is so polished and feature rich that it is sure to take the genre by storm and be a huge hit?
And that is why I brought up what other developers do. Not b/c I was saying they should do it b/c everyone else does it, but rather b/c it is so easily accessible and free that everyone else does it.
Honestly truly hope you get this game at some point yall deserve it for you complete blind love of it, but back in the real world i really just dont know if i should laugh after reading all your comments or cry for you, sad real sad.
If you were answering the post above yours, then this is actually the same interview he has probably seen all over the place for the past few years. That report by "Asp", whoever that may be, is the only one of it's kind. It's the only report on Darkfall ever made by a 3rd party that claimed to have seen the game.
Well according to the Devs they been in internal beta for a long, long time. There intention is a very polished game and a short beta, 2 months long and a fast release.
And you don't see the problem with that plan????
I'll break it down...Darkfall is a game which is SUPPOSED to have basically nothing but player driven and created content with some NPC stuff added in. In a game which lives and dies based on the player-made content...don't you think that JUST MAYBE a 2 month live beta is pretty stupid? Internal testing can NEVER mimic what a live all-comers beta because the internal teams KNOW what they are "supposed" to do. They have good machines...and work 5 feet from the servers. You can't make good balance choices (and this relates to economy...crafting.....not JUST combat balance) until you let real players run WILD.
Again, assuming this is real....thats quite literally the most idiotic move I've ever seen made in this industry outside of the NGE. They are bloody dooming themselves out the gate. No way will a 2 month live beta fly...ASSUMING its real, there will be massive delays once reality sinks in and players show them just how badly they can abuse mechanics the internal team thought was fair.
Again I agree 100% with what you just posted but I'd like to add to it if I may.
Another drawback of not having a long enough beta time would be certain features the devs initially wanted ingame, looked great on paper and because their testers know how things are supposed to work couldn't find anything wrong. Masses of people start to play and guess what, those great looking features on paper may not work as well with the amount of people that are actually going to be playing.
Crap....I just said what you said only differently....
Well according to the Devs they been in internal beta for a long, long time. There intention is a very polished game and a short beta, 2 months long and a fast release.
And you don't see the problem with that plan????
I'll break it down...Darkfall is a game which is SUPPOSED to have basically nothing but player driven and created content with some NPC stuff added in. In a game which lives and dies based on the player-made content...don't you think that JUST MAYBE a 2 month live beta is pretty stupid? Internal testing can NEVER mimic what a live all-comers beta because the internal teams KNOW what they are "supposed" to do. They have good machines...and work 5 feet from the servers. You can't make good balance choices (and this relates to economy...crafting.....not JUST combat balance) until you let real players run WILD.
Again, assuming this is real....thats quite literally the most idiotic move I've ever seen made in this industry outside of the NGE. They are bloody dooming themselves out the gate. No way will a 2 month live beta fly...ASSUMING its real, there will be massive delays once reality sinks in and players show them just how badly they can abuse mechanics the internal team thought was fair.
Again I agree 100% with what you just posted but I'd like to add to it if I may.
Another drawback of not having a long enough beta time would be certain features the devs initially wanted ingame, looked great on paper and because their testers know how things are supposed to work couldn't find anything wrong. Masses of people start to play and guess what, those great looking features on paper may not work as well with the amount of people that are actually going to be playing.
Crap....I just said what you said only differently....
Can you elaborate what you just said above a bit cause it makes no sense whatsoever. Im no computer nerd but i dont think you have knowledge of what you just wrote. A bit of explaining maybe?
Features is just code isnt it? So if they work with lets say 100 people why shouldnt they work with 1000?
he didnt just get invited he ahd ot go there for a biz trip and they called taso and the agreed to show him arouns its pretty pethitic youa ll cryed a 3rd party hasn t ever bene there and then when they do that you call them liars i have a feeling they could give you beta and youw ill still say its all lies. It was planed well before he got there
Could you use a spell checker please as its pretty illegible?
I did read something about this alleged business trip tho in your post. And i point out once again that there is no evidence at all that this person even exists apart from some blogs and web pages?
For all we know Asp is really Darkfalls press person. Such is the power of the Internet you can be anyone and several people with some well placed blogs.
Yay and thats complete bull crap too. thats like me saying you dont exist and your just some dumb forum bot. PLus asp has had a forum account for along time.
Well according to the Devs they been in internal beta for a long, long time. There intention is a very polished game and a short beta, 2 months long and a fast release.
And you don't see the problem with that plan????
I'll break it down...Darkfall is a game which is SUPPOSED to have basically nothing but player driven and created content with some NPC stuff added in. In a game which lives and dies based on the player-made content...don't you think that JUST MAYBE a 2 month live beta is pretty stupid? Internal testing can NEVER mimic what a live all-comers beta because the internal teams KNOW what they are "supposed" to do. They have good machines...and work 5 feet from the servers. You can't make good balance choices (and this relates to economy...crafting.....not JUST combat balance) until you let real players run WILD.
Again, assuming this is real....thats quite literally the most idiotic move I've ever seen made in this industry outside of the NGE. They are bloody dooming themselves out the gate. No way will a 2 month live beta fly...ASSUMING its real, there will be massive delays once reality sinks in and players show them just how badly they can abuse mechanics the internal team thought was fair.
Again I agree 100% with what you just posted but I'd like to add to it if I may.
Another drawback of not having a long enough beta time would be certain features the devs initially wanted ingame, looked great on paper and because their testers know how things are supposed to work couldn't find anything wrong. Masses of people start to play and guess what, those great looking features on paper may not work as well with the amount of people that are actually going to be playing.
Crap....I just said what you said only differently....
Can you elaborate what you just said above a bit cause it makes no sense whatsoever. Im no computer nerd but i dont think you have knowledge of what you just wrote. A bit of explaining maybe?
Features is just code isnt it? So if they work with lets say 100 people why shouldnt they work with 1000?
What is the difference?
If only it was that simple. There are plenty MMO's out now that, while it worked for those people. It didn't work for these people. Quest, Zoning, even talking to NPC's. Just because it works for Joe, doesn't mean it will work for Jane, Bob, and that guy over there. It only gets worse when you get the people that deliberately go into a game, looking for ways to break it, but won't report their findings. They just continue to abuse it. Hence why lengthy beta's usual produce better results.
Good example would be something I been beta testing recently. Person A talks to NPC B. Works fine. Person C talk to NPC B. NPC refuses to talk to said person. Do you know what the cause of it was? Person C had unique characters in his name that caused the NPC to recognize Person C as being a null contact (at least that's what they called it). Person C got their named changed, and it worked fine.
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Well according to the Devs they been in internal beta for a long, long time. There intention is a very polished game and a short beta, 2 months long and a fast release.
And you don't see the problem with that plan????
I'll break it down...Darkfall is a game which is SUPPOSED to have basically nothing but player driven and created content with some NPC stuff added in. In a game which lives and dies based on the player-made content...don't you think that JUST MAYBE a 2 month live beta is pretty stupid? Internal testing can NEVER mimic what a live all-comers beta because the internal teams KNOW what they are "supposed" to do. They have good machines...and work 5 feet from the servers. You can't make good balance choices (and this relates to economy...crafting.....not JUST combat balance) until you let real players run WILD.
Again, assuming this is real....thats quite literally the most idiotic move I've ever seen made in this industry outside of the NGE. They are bloody dooming themselves out the gate. No way will a 2 month live beta fly...ASSUMING its real, there will be massive delays once reality sinks in and players show them just how badly they can abuse mechanics the internal team thought was fair.
Again I agree 100% with what you just posted but I'd like to add to it if I may.
Another drawback of not having a long enough beta time would be certain features the devs initially wanted ingame, looked great on paper and because their testers know how things are supposed to work couldn't find anything wrong. Masses of people start to play and guess what, those great looking features on paper may not work as well with the amount of people that are actually going to be playing.
Crap....I just said what you said only differently....
Can you elaborate what you just said above a bit cause it makes no sense whatsoever. Im no computer nerd but i dont think you have knowledge of what you just wrote. A bit of explaining maybe?
Features is just code isnt it? So if they work with lets say 100 people why shouldnt they work with 1000?
What is the difference?
If only it was that simple. There are plenty MMO's out now that, while it worked for those people. It didn't work for these people. Quest, Zoning, even talking to NPC's. Just because it works for Joe, doesn't mean it will work for Jane, Bob, and that guy over there. It only gets worse when you get the people that deliberately go into a game, looking for ways to break it, but won't report their findings. They just continue to abuse it. Hence why lengthy beta's usual produce better results.
Good example would be something I been beta testing recently. Person A talks to NPC B. Works fine. Person C talk to NPC B. NPC refuses to talk to said person. Do you know what the cause of it was? Person C had unique characters in his name that caused the NPC to recognize Person C as being a null contact (at least that's what they called it). Person C got their named changed, and it worked fine.
Agreed, but don't forget about lengthy betas also being good for flushing out hardware issues. Unless you have tested the game internally on a lot of different hardware combinations, it's inevitable that the beta will identify lots of memory access & hardware compatibility issues.
In almost all types of software, the worst bugs to find are those that rely on illegal memory access, since they are often benign until run on a machine that has a different memory architecture. Also, code optimsations that work great on one graphics card may cause crashes & lockups on another, especially new ones as I know to my cost.
A decent beta cycle should be used to minimise these types of hardware issues because few games recover from a bad release.
If you can't "Have your cake & eat it too", then how can "The proof of the pudding be in the eating"?
he didnt just get invited he ahd ot go there for a biz trip and they called taso and the agreed to show him arouns its pretty pethitic youa ll cryed a 3rd party hasn t ever bene there and then when they do that you call them liars i have a feeling they could give you beta and youw ill still say its all lies. It was planed well before he got there
Could you use a spell checker please as its pretty illegible?
I did read something about this alleged business trip tho in your post. And i point out once again that there is no evidence at all that this person even exists apart from some blogs and web pages?
For all we know Asp is really Darkfalls press person. Such is the power of the Internet you can be anyone and several people with some well placed blogs.
Yay and thats complete bull crap too. thats like me saying you dont exist and your just some dumb forum bot. PLus asp has had a forum account for along time.
You're really starting to show signs of desperation in your post nowadays, like you're just hoping to spout out that one magic comment that will make all of us "naysayers" go away. Well, you haven't found it here, either.
Do you know Asp in real life, or only what he states as Asp? Let me clue you in on something. On the internet, a person using only a forum name for all intents and purposes doesn't exist. Do you think people say "Hey Zorvan, how you doing?" when I ( the person behind the avatar ) walk down a street in real life? Did your parents name you downtoearth? Do you think HYPERION gets his paychecks made out to "HYPERION"? Same goes for Asp. And Asp having a forum account for a long time makes him legitimate to you?
You didn't prove HYPERIONs' theories wrong, you just helped to substantiate them. Thank you.
Now please, although I do enjoy your meaningless diatribe once in awhile, do try to start thinking out your responses before you type them? For everyones' sake, including your own credibility ( which becomes less and less every day, even to Darkfall supporters ).
Hey zor its the same asp from back in the day sorry
And that means what? Did you know "Asp" personally "back in the day"? And if so, do you know for a fact it's the same "Asp" now? Do you know for a fact there aren't 3 or 4 guys typing under the forum name "Asp"? Hell, do you know for a fact "Asp" wasn't recruited or hired by Aventurine to act as a shill? No, you don't. That is the point. Again, as always, you try to act like you know things that you don't ( while constantly telling other people they don't know what they're talking about as your main choice of argument, which is the epitome of irony ).
Aragon makes no valid points.. He just regurgitates what the devs feed him.
But you and the other haters dont make any Valid points either.
All you guys do is bash darkfall with your opinions and back it up with no facts.
There are no facts that show Darkfall is vaporware. NONE period. If there are any why have you guys not posted them?
We give you links to videos and screenshots, you claim they could be fake. So Then we provde you with Developer logs and quotes and you say they prove nothing. So then we post links to people who have played the game and you say he is lieing. Sorry but it looks as if you haters cant move past your opinions and see the light at the end of the Darkfall tunnel.
Aragon makes no valid points.. He just regurgitates what the devs feed him.
But you and the other haters dont make any Valid points either.
All you guys do is bash darkfall with your opinions and back it up with no facts.
There are no facts that show Darkfall is vaporware. NONE period. If there are any why have you guys not posted them?
We give you links to videos and screenshots, you claim they could be fake. So Then we provde you with Developer logs and quotes and you say they prove nothing. So then we post links to people who have played the game and you say he is lieing. Sorry but it looks as if you haters cant move past your opinions and see the light at the end of the Darkfall tunnel.
We will remember your posts Tdog, and your guarantees. You may end up correct in the end by accident, who knows.
But...
Then again, you may not.
Because in reality, you know nothing more than anyone else. That's a fact, not a put down. I'm just curious how many more years have to pass until even you want real proof? We shall see.
Be careful what you guarantee. No one denying the existence of Darkfall needs to prove anything.
Once again, I ask.
Where is Darkfall? Since you seem to have many answers, please elaborate as to the timeline for the game's release or beta.
Because fellas... In all seriousness... This cannot go on forever. We can hopefully all agree on that one point at least.
Tdog, Aragon, Segallion... Give us "your" personal timelines. How long are you willing to beat the drum? How much time are you giving Darkfall before you give up hope? How long are we talking about here? Let's put some kind of debate timeframe in place.
Can't believe this bashing on DF and more important can't see any valid source that may have caused it, what caused the haters so much trouble that they feel they have to bash any positive comment , any new info (knowing its rare makes it worser).
As i see Devs were always polite in their comments and trying to not cause bad feelings with their behavior. Ofcourse as newcomer they made initially some marketing mistakes but
....did they promised you
a release date ? No.
Did you have to spent any money yet ? No...
Where they unpolite or insulted someone ? No ..
Well guys if you crucify DF developers for that less amount of trouble they may have caused you ..then what would you do if you had an experience like $OE with NGE..
Daily developer insults, forum bans, muting. A whole bait and switch expansion. Destroy the worth of all your in game belongings... Daily lies to hold you for additional time as subscriber...
-like the famous "FRS will be enabled soon" lie that was worth a 6 month subscription period ( from the time the lie was announced till 6 month later the customer saw with their own eyes FRS was impossible in the new system and obviously never intended to be re enabled )
The DF developers stated often enough thats their "lifetime" work thingy. You could give them a chance at least till you have a really cause bashing them down ..
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
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You don't have to know much about it to make a solid comparative guess. In the very least, this game offers twice the testable content of WoW. If WoW needed "X" amount of time to do beta and STILL had some bugs...its a safe bet that this game will need "X+Y" where "Y" is affected by how many members are on the team.
We certainly DON'T want them forcing the game out in some half-crap state. After all this time, it would be suicide to release with anything LESS than super polish.
Well honestly the Dev are getting tons of ree publicity by allow these type of debates to rage across tons of different forums. The more we talk and debate about Darkfall, the more people look into Darkfall which creates more talk and debate about darkfall. If the Devs are smart they keep letting us debate and talk Darkfall for as long as they can before moving on to the next Publicity stunt.
Oh btw I am so sick of hearing about what all the other MMO companies do, what does that have anything to do with anything. Just because the big boys on the block are cramming there shit in our months doesnt mean Darkfall has to follow suit.
There are two sides to every coin.
Sooner or Later
Well yea there going to need at least 6months for beta if not more at least it will be free to try so no worrys any more
Haven't I seen this exact same interview before? Several times before? From the exact same guy?
I swear, I've seen this exact interview on several different sites before over several years...
Odd.
nope...
When will they get someone known and with a reputation to sample this 'game' instead of a nobody?
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
he didnt just get invited he ahd ot go there for a biz trip and they called taso and the agreed to show him arouns its pretty pethitic youa ll cryed a 3rd party hasn t ever bene there and then when they do that you call them liars i have a feeling they could give you beta and youw ill still say its all lies.
It was planed well before he got there
I did read something about this alleged business trip tho in your post. And i point out once again that there is no evidence at all that this person even exists apart from some blogs and web pages?
For all we know Asp is really Darkfalls press person. Such is the power of the Internet you can be anyone and several people with some well placed blogs.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Well honestly the Dev are getting tons of ree publicity by allow these type of debates to rage across tons of different forums. The more we talk and debate about Darkfall, the more people look into Darkfall which creates more talk and debate about darkfall. If the Devs are smart they keep letting us debate and talk Darkfall for as long as they can before moving on to the next Publicity stunt.
Oh btw I am so sick of hearing about what all the other MMO companies do, what does that have anything to do with anything. Just because the big boys on the block are cramming there shit in our months doesnt mean Darkfall has to follow suit.
There are two sides to every coin.
Yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. And yes, these discussions have been going on for a long time, and it is getting the name out there, but generally not in a positive way. I mean, that's not the kind of thing you'd really want your game known for is it? That it's the game that promises the world, but hasn't shown anything solid yet and people are thinking it could be vaporware. This discussions doesn't need to be, and really shouldn't even be going on. It's so easy for the devs to put an end to all of it and actually prove that their game is everything they are saying it is yet they don't do it. Why?Let me ask you this. If you were developing a game, what would you want your game known for? Possibly being vaporware? Or being THE game, not just any run-of-the-mill MMO but a revolutionary one that has solved problems many, many other developers couldn't solve and is so polished and feature rich that it is sure to take the genre by storm and be a huge hit?
And that is why I brought up what other developers do. Not b/c I was saying they should do it b/c everyone else does it, but rather b/c it is so easily accessible and free that everyone else does it.
Honestly truly hope you get this game at some point yall deserve it for you complete blind love of it, but back in the real world i really just dont know if i should laugh after reading all your comments or cry for you, sad real sad.
If you were answering the post above yours, then this is actually the same interview he has probably seen all over the place for the past few years. That report by "Asp", whoever that may be, is the only one of it's kind. It's the only report on Darkfall ever made by a 3rd party that claimed to have seen the game.
heh
Asp's article is a work of fiction, do not take it literally
it's fiction, fantasy, it's made up, bullshit.Much like Darkfall
And you don't see the problem with that plan????
I'll break it down...Darkfall is a game which is SUPPOSED to have basically nothing but player driven and created content with some NPC stuff added in. In a game which lives and dies based on the player-made content...don't you think that JUST MAYBE a 2 month live beta is pretty stupid? Internal testing can NEVER mimic what a live all-comers beta because the internal teams KNOW what they are "supposed" to do. They have good machines...and work 5 feet from the servers. You can't make good balance choices (and this relates to economy...crafting.....not JUST combat balance) until you let real players run WILD.
Again, assuming this is real....thats quite literally the most idiotic move I've ever seen made in this industry outside of the NGE. They are bloody dooming themselves out the gate. No way will a 2 month live beta fly...ASSUMING its real, there will be massive delays once reality sinks in and players show them just how badly they can abuse mechanics the internal team thought was fair.
Again I agree 100% with what you just posted but I'd like to add to it if I may.Another drawback of not having a long enough beta time would be certain features the devs initially wanted ingame, looked great on paper and because their testers know how things are supposed to work couldn't find anything wrong. Masses of people start to play and guess what, those great looking features on paper may not work as well with the amount of people that are actually going to be playing.
Crap....I just said what you said only differently....
And you don't see the problem with that plan????
I'll break it down...Darkfall is a game which is SUPPOSED to have basically nothing but player driven and created content with some NPC stuff added in. In a game which lives and dies based on the player-made content...don't you think that JUST MAYBE a 2 month live beta is pretty stupid? Internal testing can NEVER mimic what a live all-comers beta because the internal teams KNOW what they are "supposed" to do. They have good machines...and work 5 feet from the servers. You can't make good balance choices (and this relates to economy...crafting.....not JUST combat balance) until you let real players run WILD.
Again, assuming this is real....thats quite literally the most idiotic move I've ever seen made in this industry outside of the NGE. They are bloody dooming themselves out the gate. No way will a 2 month live beta fly...ASSUMING its real, there will be massive delays once reality sinks in and players show them just how badly they can abuse mechanics the internal team thought was fair.
Again I agree 100% with what you just posted but I'd like to add to it if I may.Another drawback of not having a long enough beta time would be certain features the devs initially wanted ingame, looked great on paper and because their testers know how things are supposed to work couldn't find anything wrong. Masses of people start to play and guess what, those great looking features on paper may not work as well with the amount of people that are actually going to be playing.
Crap....I just said what you said only differently....
Can you elaborate what you just said above a bit cause it makes no sense whatsoever. Im no computer nerd but i dont think you have knowledge of what you just wrote. A bit of explaining maybe?
Features is just code isnt it? So if they work with lets say 100 people why shouldnt they work with 1000?
What is the difference?
I did read something about this alleged business trip tho in your post. And i point out once again that there is no evidence at all that this person even exists apart from some blogs and web pages?
For all we know Asp is really Darkfalls press person. Such is the power of the Internet you can be anyone and several people with some well placed blogs.
Yay and thats complete bull crap too. thats like me saying you dont exist and your just some dumb forum bot. PLus asp has had a forum account for along time.
And you don't see the problem with that plan????
I'll break it down...Darkfall is a game which is SUPPOSED to have basically nothing but player driven and created content with some NPC stuff added in. In a game which lives and dies based on the player-made content...don't you think that JUST MAYBE a 2 month live beta is pretty stupid? Internal testing can NEVER mimic what a live all-comers beta because the internal teams KNOW what they are "supposed" to do. They have good machines...and work 5 feet from the servers. You can't make good balance choices (and this relates to economy...crafting.....not JUST combat balance) until you let real players run WILD.
Again, assuming this is real....thats quite literally the most idiotic move I've ever seen made in this industry outside of the NGE. They are bloody dooming themselves out the gate. No way will a 2 month live beta fly...ASSUMING its real, there will be massive delays once reality sinks in and players show them just how badly they can abuse mechanics the internal team thought was fair.
Again I agree 100% with what you just posted but I'd like to add to it if I may.Another drawback of not having a long enough beta time would be certain features the devs initially wanted ingame, looked great on paper and because their testers know how things are supposed to work couldn't find anything wrong. Masses of people start to play and guess what, those great looking features on paper may not work as well with the amount of people that are actually going to be playing.
Crap....I just said what you said only differently....
Can you elaborate what you just said above a bit cause it makes no sense whatsoever. Im no computer nerd but i dont think you have knowledge of what you just wrote. A bit of explaining maybe?
Features is just code isnt it? So if they work with lets say 100 people why shouldnt they work with 1000?
What is the difference?
If only it was that simple. There are plenty MMO's out now that, while it worked for those people. It didn't work for these people. Quest, Zoning, even talking to NPC's. Just because it works for Joe, doesn't mean it will work for Jane, Bob, and that guy over there. It only gets worse when you get the people that deliberately go into a game, looking for ways to break it, but won't report their findings. They just continue to abuse it. Hence why lengthy beta's usual produce better results.
Good example would be something I been beta testing recently. Person A talks to NPC B. Works fine. Person C talk to NPC B. NPC refuses to talk to said person. Do you know what the cause of it was? Person C had unique characters in his name that caused the NPC to recognize Person C as being a null contact (at least that's what they called it). Person C got their named changed, and it worked fine.
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
And you don't see the problem with that plan????
I'll break it down...Darkfall is a game which is SUPPOSED to have basically nothing but player driven and created content with some NPC stuff added in. In a game which lives and dies based on the player-made content...don't you think that JUST MAYBE a 2 month live beta is pretty stupid? Internal testing can NEVER mimic what a live all-comers beta because the internal teams KNOW what they are "supposed" to do. They have good machines...and work 5 feet from the servers. You can't make good balance choices (and this relates to economy...crafting.....not JUST combat balance) until you let real players run WILD.
Again, assuming this is real....thats quite literally the most idiotic move I've ever seen made in this industry outside of the NGE. They are bloody dooming themselves out the gate. No way will a 2 month live beta fly...ASSUMING its real, there will be massive delays once reality sinks in and players show them just how badly they can abuse mechanics the internal team thought was fair.
Again I agree 100% with what you just posted but I'd like to add to it if I may.Another drawback of not having a long enough beta time would be certain features the devs initially wanted ingame, looked great on paper and because their testers know how things are supposed to work couldn't find anything wrong. Masses of people start to play and guess what, those great looking features on paper may not work as well with the amount of people that are actually going to be playing.
Crap....I just said what you said only differently....
Can you elaborate what you just said above a bit cause it makes no sense whatsoever. Im no computer nerd but i dont think you have knowledge of what you just wrote. A bit of explaining maybe?
Features is just code isnt it? So if they work with lets say 100 people why shouldnt they work with 1000?
What is the difference?
If only it was that simple. There are plenty MMO's out now that, while it worked for those people. It didn't work for these people. Quest, Zoning, even talking to NPC's. Just because it works for Joe, doesn't mean it will work for Jane, Bob, and that guy over there. It only gets worse when you get the people that deliberately go into a game, looking for ways to break it, but won't report their findings. They just continue to abuse it. Hence why lengthy beta's usual produce better results.
Good example would be something I been beta testing recently. Person A talks to NPC B. Works fine. Person C talk to NPC B. NPC refuses to talk to said person. Do you know what the cause of it was? Person C had unique characters in his name that caused the NPC to recognize Person C as being a null contact (at least that's what they called it). Person C got their named changed, and it worked fine.
Agreed, but don't forget about lengthy betas also being good for flushing out hardware issues. Unless you have tested the game internally on a lot of different hardware combinations, it's inevitable that the beta will identify lots of memory access & hardware compatibility issues.
In almost all types of software, the worst bugs to find are those that rely on illegal memory access, since they are often benign until run on a machine that has a different memory architecture. Also, code optimsations that work great on one graphics card may cause crashes & lockups on another, especially new ones as I know to my cost.
A decent beta cycle should be used to minimise these types of hardware issues because few games recover from a bad release.
If you can't "Have your cake & eat it too", then how can "The proof of the pudding be in the eating"?
Take the Hecatomb? TCG What Is Your Doom? quiz.
I did read something about this alleged business trip tho in your post. And i point out once again that there is no evidence at all that this person even exists apart from some blogs and web pages?
For all we know Asp is really Darkfalls press person. Such is the power of the Internet you can be anyone and several people with some well placed blogs.
Yay and thats complete bull crap too. thats like me saying you dont exist and your just some dumb forum bot. PLus asp has had a forum account for along time.
You're really starting to show signs of desperation in your post nowadays, like you're just hoping to spout out that one magic comment that will make all of us "naysayers" go away. Well, you haven't found it here, either.Do you know Asp in real life, or only what he states as Asp? Let me clue you in on something. On the internet, a person using only a forum name for all intents and purposes doesn't exist. Do you think people say "Hey Zorvan, how you doing?" when I ( the person behind the avatar ) walk down a street in real life? Did your parents name you downtoearth? Do you think HYPERION gets his paychecks made out to "HYPERION"? Same goes for Asp. And Asp having a forum account for a long time makes him legitimate to you?
You didn't prove HYPERIONs' theories wrong, you just helped to substantiate them. Thank you.
Now please, although I do enjoy your meaningless diatribe once in awhile, do try to start thinking out your responses before you type them? For everyones' sake, including your own credibility ( which becomes less and less every day, even to Darkfall supporters ).
Hey zor its the same asp from back in the day sorry
And that means what? Did you know "Asp" personally "back in the day"? And if so, do you know for a fact it's the same "Asp" now? Do you know for a fact there aren't 3 or 4 guys typing under the forum name "Asp"? Hell, do you know for a fact "Asp" wasn't recruited or hired by Aventurine to act as a shill? No, you don't. That is the point. Again, as always, you try to act like you know things that you don't ( while constantly telling other people they don't know what they're talking about as your main choice of argument, which is the epitome of irony ).
It seems to me that downtoearth has his head upintheclouds.
Just re-read it again, Hes one lucky guy, would of been great if i got to go
Account has been stolen, why would someone want to steal my account?
But you and the other haters dont make any Valid points either.
All you guys do is bash darkfall with your opinions and back it up with no facts.
There are no facts that show Darkfall is vaporware. NONE period. If there are any why have you guys not posted them?
We give you links to videos and screenshots, you claim they could be fake. So Then we provde you with Developer logs and quotes and you say they prove nothing. So then we post links to people who have played the game and you say he is lieing. Sorry but it looks as if you haters cant move past your opinions and see the light at the end of the Darkfall tunnel.
Sooner or Later
But you and the other haters dont make any Valid points either.
All you guys do is bash darkfall with your opinions and back it up with no facts.
There are no facts that show Darkfall is vaporware. NONE period. If there are any why have you guys not posted them?
We give you links to videos and screenshots, you claim they could be fake. So Then we provde you with Developer logs and quotes and you say they prove nothing. So then we post links to people who have played the game and you say he is lieing. Sorry but it looks as if you haters cant move past your opinions and see the light at the end of the Darkfall tunnel.
We will remember your posts Tdog, and your guarantees. You may end up correct in the end by accident, who knows.
But...
Then again, you may not.
Because in reality, you know nothing more than anyone else. That's a fact, not a put down. I'm just curious how many more years have to pass until even you want real proof? We shall see.
Be careful what you guarantee. No one denying the existence of Darkfall needs to prove anything.
Once again, I ask.
Where is Darkfall? Since you seem to have many answers, please elaborate as to the timeline for the game's release or beta.
Because fellas... In all seriousness... This cannot go on forever. We can hopefully all agree on that one point at least.
Tdog, Aragon, Segallion... Give us "your" personal timelines. How long are you willing to beat the drum? How much time are you giving Darkfall before you give up hope? How long are we talking about here? Let's put some kind of debate timeframe in place.
Can't believe this bashing on DF and more important can't see any valid source that may have caused it, what caused the haters so much trouble that they feel they have to bash any positive comment , any new info (knowing its rare makes it worser).
As i see Devs were always polite in their comments and trying to not cause bad feelings with their behavior. Ofcourse as newcomer they made initially some marketing mistakes but
....did they promised you
a release date ? No.
Did you have to spent any money yet ? No...
Where they unpolite or insulted someone ? No ..
Well guys if you crucify DF developers for that less amount of trouble they may have caused you ..then what would you do if you had an experience like $OE with NGE..
Daily developer insults, forum bans, muting. A whole bait and switch expansion. Destroy the worth of all your in game belongings... Daily lies to hold you for additional time as subscriber...
-like the famous "FRS will be enabled soon" lie that was worth a 6 month subscription period ( from the time the lie was announced till 6 month later the customer saw with their own eyes FRS was impossible in the new system and obviously never intended to be re enabled )
The DF developers stated often enough thats their "lifetime" work thingy. You could give them a chance at least till you have a really cause bashing them down ..
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