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how ethanol is destroying the world
WhistlerFV
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Corn prices are way up. Wheat & barley prices are way up as farmers switch to the much more lucrative (and heavily subsidized) corn crops. Meat prices are going up, as the primary feed ingredient is corn.
On top of that, countries the world over are greatly accelerating their destruction of forests to grow corn.
In effect, all ethanol is netting us is skyrocketing food prices and massively increased environmental destruction.
Ethanol disaster
Food Prices on the rise
Why your food is costing more
4 killed in riots over food prices
UN appeals for food aid money
U.N. says situation will not improve
Violence has spread to Haiti, Egypt, Philllipines, Mozambique, Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Thailand. Haiti's leader was even removed from office from this issue alone.
Jean Ziegler, U.N. special rapporteur on the right to food, has called using food crops to create ethanol "a crime against humanity."
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A co-worker of mine is married to a guy that builds these Ethenol plants. Both of them speak freely about what a rip off it is and how it is a useless fuel. But since they keep paying him to build them, he keeps building them. Go figure.
Pretty much everybody who does some research realizes this by now...Ethanol is most deffenitely not the future...and it kills me too, because just today I had to sit through a 45 minute meeting at work about how my company is working to preserve the environment by doing things like using ethanol fuel.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Ethanol is crap.
Just another sign people aren't willing to do what must be done.
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Anyone with a brain knew this ages ago. But our whore politicians saw an opportunity to pander to scientifically ignorant 'environmentalists' and to dole out subsidies to corporate friends at the same time. And so they ran with it.
Now if you want to participate in the next great wave of monumental stupidity in the U.S., just keep opposing nuclear power. And you'll have the pleasure of seeing this country reduced in the next couple of decades to an economic basket case. A process which in my opinion is already well underway.
the problem with the auto market as a whole is the fact that we are going entirely in the wrong direction in some ways.
Diesel is the most environmental friendly fuel there is and that is a fact.
A diesel 1 ton or 3/4 ton truck produces less emissions then the most efficent honda civic or toyota corrola.
Hybrids are a joke in and of themselves simple because there are better ways to get that mileage without killing all horsepower.
One of those idea's which has been tried and proven but isn't talked about because its dangerous and stupid is increasing the pressure on fuel tanks to an insane amount.
However if anyone remembers the ford pinto and how it exploded, that makes any car 10 times as dangerous as that.
What really needs to be done, is a true new fuel source developed, electric has been debunked for mass transportation of goods such as semis(the new tessla is a joke of an idea to take on any sort of distance).
Hydrogen and other such fuels are the way to go renewable, can achieve the same distance on trips as gasoline, and comprable power from what early testing says.
However i can understand the united states reluctance to get off oil no special interest's like big oil involved.
Performing a transition from gasoline to something else would put every jiffy lube, valvoline, mechanic, and everyone employed at a gas station's job in danger.
that is a huge amount of jobs, to brush it aside in less then a decade would be economically disastrous, however a smooth transition over a long period of time is a good idea for both the long run and the short run.
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lol so true.
my wife picked up clorox "green works" all purpose, clean green spray shit. I read the ingredients
1. coconut
2. corn based ethanol
stupid, climate change alarmism.
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If you want ethanol you want sugar cane not corn. KTHXBAI...
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
Hydrogen is where it's at; that is....until we start using NU-KULAR REACTORZ!
I want my car to have mini-nuclear reactor.
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I didn't ever think there would be a time I would agree with you, but the time has come.
I was always quite puzzeled why everyone reffered to corn being used to produce ethanol, there are crops that give simple sugars in much higher yield, that would be much more efficent.
"Growing, transporting, and distilling corn to make a gallon of ethanol uses almost as much energy as is contained in the ethanol itself. Sugar beets are a better source, producing nearly two units of energy for every unit used in production. Sugarcane, though, is by far the most efficient of the current feedstocks—yielding eight times as much energy as is needed to produce the ethanol. Given their positive energy balances and higher yields, it makes more sense to produce ethanol from sugar crops than from grains."
it seems absolute madness to support corn as the crop you would use for sugar production, but then the process of subsidising corn in the USA has a long and illustrious carrer.
here is an interesting article on the farm bill
www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/magazine/22wwlnlede.t.html
of course if i was a conspiracy theorist on the "Big Oil Agenda" i would suggest they would lobby for corn to be used (on the basis of supporting the farmers) with the full knowledge that it will fail.
Nuclear energy has the greatest potential for cleanly, safely, and cheaply generating hydrogen on a massive scale nearly indefinitely into the future. But yes, with current technology hydrogen is not (yet) a practical portable fuel source.
However what could be done as a temporary measure with nuclear power immediately is to eliminate the use of natural gas and oil as stationary fuel sources. And to divert them for use in transportation instead. But more importantly, the burning of coal could be eliminated altogether (coal poisons and kills thousands of people worldwide every year, whereas nuclear power has killed under 100 people since its inception). Then nuclear power (electricity) could be used as the primary refining energy source - rather than coal itself - to make coal based synthetic fuel. No worries about carbon sequestration (it could be done economically right now with current technology), we do have about a 200 year supply of coal in the U.S., and coal based synthetic fuel burns cleaner than gasoline.
It's all not perfect - at least until hydrogen power comes of age. But IMHO it sure beats the crap out of having our future dictated to us by the arabs.
Edit: And beats seeing starving people on the news every night, too.
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More dollars for the mom and pop farmer, nope, most of that money is going to the large farming corporations. You know, the ones that make political contributions.
Per a General Motors study, if 100% of the annual agricultural production of the United states is switched from food to energy we will be able to provide from 6 to 8 weeks (depending on the season) of the total annual energy usage for the country.
Eventually, as people starve, we can provide 100% of the country's annual energy needs. But it will take a few months to starve that many people.
Hopefully they will have reached the balancing point by the November elections.....
As with everyone else I agree making corn into ethanol is a huge mistake. Grasses, Sugar Cane and various other crops can be used to make ethanol with less energy and much more output. We all seem to know this. Of course there are people who benefit from the inflation of the value of corn. That being said, it hurts me personally because I support a wife in the Philippines and as the cost of corn increases, the cost of imported foods increase there. Rice values have sky rocketed and speculative markets are driving hoarding.
Fortunately my wifes family have a few acres of rice so she wont starve. Still I cant provide as easily as I used to.
Fossil fuels FTW.
It's no accident we use them as much as we do.
The way I see it:
Nuclear energy (and renewable energy where possible) creates electricity.
Then that electricity is used to "create" hydrogen to power cars.
Done.
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If its the last thing I do..Im going to get my home of the grid,first some solar shingles,with a truck load of batterys in the basement.Then a large attic fan for the summers, wood burning box in the yard for heat with a forced air duck in the ground.Sweet
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Seriously though there's this car(Motorcycle) that's supposedly entering production sometime this year called the Venture one and from concept drawings it looks pretty cool, it's supposed to get 100 miles per gallon and one version of it does 120 miles per hour, it has tilt steering and it looks pretty sweet
Look at that guy(chick) in the back seat smiling.. doesn't (s)he look like (s)he's having fun?
Smile damnit
One or more of these pictures might have been stolen from some sites from which I had googled.
For relevance it's a hybrid.. I thought it ran flex-fuel but I can't find where I read that, so it was probably bullshit
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lol so true.
I disagree, there have been many topics that we have all agreed on.I do agree with the topic though. Ethanol had its purpose of showing that renewable fuels are a possibility and that our modern society presents more problems to the fossil fuel debate than originally thought.
Hopefully it wil be used as a stepping stone to bigger and better things.
You've hit the nail on the head, Nasica. While Ethanol is not the magic fuel many hoped it would be, it did make people think long and hard about the potential that alternative fuels have. That is at least leading us in the right direction.
lol so true.
I disagree, there have been many topics that we have all agreed on.I do agree with the topic though. Ethanol had its purpose of showing that renewable fuels are a possibility and that our modern society presents more problems to the fossil fuel debate than originally thought.
Hopefully it wil be used as a stepping stone to bigger and better things.
You've hit the nail on the head, Nasica. While Ethanol is not the magic fuel many hoped it would be, it did make people think long and hard about the potential that alternative fuels have. That is at least leading us in the right direction.
I dont believe in the global warming alarmism that has been created through exagerration. however, i do see purpose to the debate. its unfortunate politicians will use the 'warming' as a vehicle to sap the populace of wealth. it is on the other hand, sure to inspire innovation.
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