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  • BigdavoBigdavo Member UncommonPosts: 1,863

    Originally posted by baff


    Fossil fuels FTW.
    It's no accident we use them as much as we do.
    I guess that makes them a good thing in your eyes?

    O_o o_O

  • olddaddyolddaddy Member Posts: 3,356

    Actually scienists are questioning whether oil is a fossil fuel. Based on where oil is being discovered, and at what depth, they don't think so. Based on the amount of living matter decomposition needed to produce a drop of oil, the age of the earth, the quantity of oil, and the amount of time layers of soil would build up, it does not appear oil is a fossil fuel.

    The alternative theory is that oil is a product of a heated chemical reaction within the earth's core, and what we are seeing is just that port which is "bubbling up". If that theory is true, then we are nowhere near the end of this planet's oil supply.

     

  • nurglesnurgles Member Posts: 840

    Originally posted by olddaddy


    Actually scienists are questioning whether oil is a fossil fuel. Based on where oil is being discovered, and at what depth, they don't think so. Based on the amount of living matter decomposition needed to produce a drop of oil, the age of the earth, the quantity of oil, and the amount of time layers of soil would build up, it does not appear oil is a fossil fuel.
    The alternative theory is that oil is a product of a heated chemical reaction within the earth's core, and what we are seeing is just that port which is "bubbling up". If that theory is true, then we are nowhere near the end of this planet's oil supply.
     
    you should change the collective group "scientists" to "a few fringe scientists including an astronomer and unsuccessful petroleum geologists"

     

    Abiogenic theory



    The idea of abiogenic petroleum origin was championed in the Western world by astronomer Thomas Gold based on thoughts from Russia, mainly on studies of Nikolai Kudryavtsev in the 1800s. Gold's hypothesis was that hydrocarbons of purely inorganic origin exist in the planet Earth. Since most petroleum hydrocarbons are less dense than aqueous pore fluids, Gold proposed that they migrate upward into oil reservoirs through deep fracture networks. Although biomarkers are found in petroleum that most petroleum geologists interpret as indicating biological origin, Gold proposed that Thermophilic, rock-dwelling microbial life-forms are responsible for their presence.

    This hypothesis is accepted by only a small minority of geologists and petroleum engineers, and to date has not been particularly successful in predicting petroleum deposits on earth,[8] so it is considered a fringe theory. Methods of making hydrocarbons from inorganic material have been known for some time, but no substantial proof exists that this is happening on any significant scale in the earth's crust for any hydrocarbon other than methane (natural gas). Abundant liquid methane (though not any form of petroleum) has been inferred to be present on Titan, a moon of Saturn, by research data from NASA's Cassini probe. However, Titan has completely different geology from Earth, and is 1,200 gigametres (750,000,000 mi) or 8.0 AU away.[9]

  • MadAceMadAce Member Posts: 2,461

    Whether global warming exists or not is irrelevant. Fossil fuels are going to run out. Better switch now while we don't have to rely on horses to reform our infrastructure.

  • baffbaff Member Posts: 9,457

    Yes, why wait, lets switch back to horses now. Best we get back to the stoneage today rather than wait until tomorrow. Having seen that the future is all doom and hell on earth, there truely is no need to put it off further.

    Lets all stop using fossil fuels while they are the optimum solution so that we can have tomorrows less optimum solution today.

     

     

    Fossil fuels aren't going to run out in your lifetime mate. No need to get all hysterical.

     

     

     They won't suddenly run out either, they will gradually become more and more expensive, until they are no longer the most economical solution.

    Trains didn't all suddenly stop running during the leap from steam to oil. Ships didn't revert to rowing or sail.

    One day someone will just invent a really economical engine and everyone will buy it because it is so cheap and useful.

  • baffbaff Member Posts: 9,457

     

    Originally posted by Bigdavo


     
    Originally posted by baff


    Fossil fuels FTW.
    It's no accident we use them as much as we do.
    I guess that makes them a good thing in your eyes?

     

    It sure beats walking to work.

     It sure beats being cold in winter.

    It sure beats rowing out to sea and killing whales with great big spears to get candles.

    It sure beats having to cut a load of tree's down each day to power my traction engine.

     

    "Good" is a bit of an understatement. We've been to the moon and back. We've built cities in the desert. Flown around the world. Journeyed to the bottom of the sea. It's not just good, it's downright fantastic.

    Fossil fuels rock. Really rock. They rock so much.

  • Par-SalianPar-Salian Member Posts: 284

    Originally posted by baff


    Yes, why wait, lets switch back to horses now. Best we get back to the stoneage today rather than wait until tomorrow. Having seen that the future is all doom and hell on earth, there truely is no need to put it off further.
    Lets all stop using fossil fuels while they are the optimum solution so that we can have tomorrows less optimum solution today.
     
     
    Fossil fuels aren't going to run out in your lifetime mate. No need to get all hysterical.
     
     
     They won't suddenly run out either, they will gradually become more and more expensive, until they are no longer the most economical solution.
    Trains didn't all suddenly stop running during the leap from steam to oil. Ships didn't revert to rowing or sail.
    One day someone will just invent a really economical engine and everyone will buy it because it is so cheap and useful.

    There's some truth to this statement, I think.

  • olddaddyolddaddy Member Posts: 3,356

     

    Originally posted by nurgles


     
    Originally posted by olddaddy


    Actually scienists are questioning whether oil is a fossil fuel. Based on where oil is being discovered, and at what depth, they don't think so. Based on the amount of living matter decomposition needed to produce a drop of oil, the age of the earth, the quantity of oil, and the amount of time layers of soil would build up, it does not appear oil is a fossil fuel.
    The alternative theory is that oil is a product of a heated chemical reaction within the earth's core, and what we are seeing is just that port which is "bubbling up". If that theory is true, then we are nowhere near the end of this planet's oil supply.
     
    you should change the collective group "scientists" to "a few fringe scientists including an astronomer and unsuccessful petroleum geologists"

     

     

    Abiogenic theory



    The idea of abiogenic petroleum origin was championed in the Western world by astronomer Thomas Gold based on thoughts from Russia, mainly on studies of Nikolai Kudryavtsev in the 1800s. Gold's hypothesis was that hydrocarbons of purely inorganic origin exist in the planet Earth. Since most petroleum hydrocarbons are less dense than aqueous pore fluids, Gold proposed that they migrate upward into oil reservoirs through deep fracture networks. Although biomarkers are found in petroleum that most petroleum geologists interpret as indicating biological origin, Gold proposed that Thermophilic, rock-dwelling microbial life-forms are responsible for their presence.

    This hypothesis is accepted by only a small minority of geologists and petroleum engineers, and to date has not been particularly successful in predicting petroleum deposits on earth,[8] so it is considered a fringe theory. Methods of making hydrocarbons from inorganic material have been known for some time, but no substantial proof exists that this is happening on any significant scale in the earth's crust for any hydrocarbon other than methane (natural gas). Abundant liquid methane (though not any form of petroleum) has been inferred to be present on Titan, a moon of Saturn, by research data from NASA's Cassini probe. However, Titan has completely different geology from Earth, and is 1,200 gigametres (750,000,000 mi) or 8.0 AU away.[9]

     

    Not sure on the accuracy of what those scientists think, I find it an interesting theory though. Some fringe theories stay out there on the fringe, some migrate into the acceptable domain over time. There was a time we believed that the sun revolved around the earth, and people like Galileo were fringe thinkers....

    There was also a time when we thought ethenol would be the answer to all our energy problems....

    Beats the hell outta me, I just try to keep an open mind and point out the options.

     

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