I heard 1-20 is a polished game.. but over that it's awful. I can see why there is a level cap of 13!
Yes I heard the same thing.
At level 20 you get a holocron... and it tells you.. that you must level every class to 20.. in order to unlock your ability to level past 20... and glow blue at night.
I am so bored of free loading whingers. The vast majority of people moaning about not having a free open beta don't even wanna 'test' anything, they just want a free trial given to them for nothing. Lets be clear, this is not an automatic right as many seem to believe. There is no, I repeat no, entitlement to trying a pre release trial before buying a game, especially if the dev is sure they have a quality product on their hand. If the game is strong, the pre orders going well, and the media onside, they simply don't need to give anything away. If you do not want to pay to get a little look, then by all means wait until it has been released, read some reviews, talk to your friends, and then buy the frikin game if you still want to. In other words, do what 90% of other gamers do when they buy a new game. Nothing is forcing you you sub to FP to play this game, and clearly nothing demands you do so to enjoy the game to it's fullest. Why shouldnt Funcom make a return on the millions, time, and care they have invested in their product? If you don't want to participate, then just don't. This whole mentality that you moaners are somehow genetically ordained to get something for nothing is beyond me.
Very well put.
Apparently everyone who posted after you completely ignored your post so I thought I would stick it back in here.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
I'd like to know why an annoucement such as open beta isnt on mmorpg.com front page of slide shows?
We have Elf Online Music and 3 Lord of the Rings updates on there. Another example of not putting the news out on the highest hyped game on the site. Wait till all the other games that release this summer, will all be up there.
I'd like to know why an annoucement such as open beta isnt on mmorpg.com front page of slide shows? We have Elf Online Music and 3 Lord of the Rings updates on there. Another example of not putting the news out on the highest hyped game on the site. Wait till all the other games that release this summer, will all be up there.
maybe they don't consider "pay for a chance for a beta key" to be true open beta?
I am so bored of free loading whingers. The vast majority of people moaning about not having a free open beta don't even wanna 'test' anything, they just want a free trial given to them for nothing. Lets be clear, this is not an automatic right as many seem to believe. First of all, this 50k test is mostly a stress test. Sure, if there are any bugs people will report them, but the main reason for open beta (any open beta at that) is so people get a chance to try the game before they pre-order. There is nothing wrong with feeling like people want to try the game out, especially with all the nay-sayars and bad rumors. You are also making an assumption that just because people want to test the game, that they won't report any bugs that come up when the servers get crowded (which is what open beta is for). Also, what the hell makes this any different if it wasn't from fileplanet. Seriously, just becuase this person pays money,what makes you think that they want to do more than just play the game before it was released? PLEASE. The main reason that people want to try the game, fileplanet subs or not, is because they want to see how it is before it's release (The main purpose of an Open Beta). Just becuase I don't pay to fricken fileplanet doesn't mean I am less elligable to try out a game than any other of the subscribers. There is no, I repeat no, entitlement to trying a pre release trial before buying a game, especially if the dev is sure they have a quality product on their hand. If the game is strong, the pre orders going well, and the media onside, they simply don't need to give anything away. If you do not want to pay to get a little look, then by all means wait until it has been released, read some reviews, talk to your friends, and then buy the frikin game if you still want to. Fine. I have no right to test out the game. But in the past, with all the bad news about pre-orders, Funcom in the end are the ones getting hurt. They are losing a potential custamor because they will not hold an actual open beta. 50k people is not open. Having to pay is sure as hell not open. See, what if I played the game and liked it, during the open beta (which isn't happening). Instead, I read a review about the game, and that forever turns me off. Therefore they lose a potential custamor. In other words, do what 90% of other gamers do when they buy a new game. Nothing is forcing you you sub to FP to play this game, and clearly nothing demands you do so to enjoy the game to it's fullest. Why shouldnt Funcom make a return on the millions, time, and care they have invested in their product? If you don't want to participate, then just don't. This whole mentality that you moaners are somehow genetically ordained to get something for nothing is beyond me. Because, as a custamor, what makes us any less important than the ones who subscribe to fileplanet. If there were 50k keys, and that's all that there were, for free and paying, than that's fine. It is understandable. But the fact that you have to be a subscriber has absolutely NO benefit whatsoever, as it is clearly a way to advertise Filepanet, nothing more. I respect Funcom and do look forward to the game, but the fact that they make people pay for an open beta AND they still have an NDA up turns me off of a pre-order and possibly the game in general.
__________________________________________________ In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08 - Rest In Peace; you will not be forgotten
I heard 1-20 is a polished game.. but over that it's awful. I can see why there is a level cap of 13!
Lots of games put a low level cap on they're open beta mainly because they do not delete the toons when the game goes public, so YOU can continue playing your existing char. Sorry to burst your Warhammer loving bubble
Don't confuse a players ability, with a class being Over Powered.
I am so bored of free loading whingers. The vast majority of people moaning about not having a free open beta don't even wanna 'test' anything, they just want a free trial given to them for nothing. Lets be clear, this is not an automatic right as many seem to believe. First of all, this 50k test is mostly a stress test. Sure, if there are any bugs people will report them, but the main reason for open beta (any open beta at that) is so people get a chance to try the game before they pre-order. There is nothing wrong with feeling like people want to try the game out, especially with all the nay-sayars and bad rumors. You are also making an assumption that just because people want to test the game, that they won't report any bugs that come up when the servers get crowded (which is what open beta is for). Also, what the hell makes this any different if it wasn't from fileplanet. Seriously, just becuase this person pays money,what makes you think that they want to do more than just play the game before it was released? PLEASE. The main reason that people want to try the game, fileplanet subs or not, is because they want to see how it is before it's release (The main purpose of an Open Beta). Just becuase I don't pay to fricken fileplanet doesn't mean I am less elligable to try out a game than any other of the subscribers. There is no, I repeat no, entitlement to trying a pre release trial before buying a game, especially if the dev is sure they have a quality product on their hand. If the game is strong, the pre orders going well, and the media onside, they simply don't need to give anything away. If you do not want to pay to get a little look, then by all means wait until it has been released, read some reviews, talk to your friends, and then buy the frikin game if you still want to. Fine. I have no right to test out the game. But in the past, with all the bad news about pre-orders, Funcom in the end are the ones getting hurt. They are losing a potential custamor because they will not hold an actual open beta. 50k people is not open. Having to pay is sure as hell not open. See, what if I played the game and liked it, during the open beta (which isn't happening). Instead, I read a review about the game, and that forever turns me off. Therefore they lose a potential custamor. In other words, do what 90% of other gamers do when they buy a new game. Nothing is forcing you you sub to FP to play this game, and clearly nothing demands you do so to enjoy the game to it's fullest. Why shouldnt Funcom make a return on the millions, time, and care they have invested in their product? If you don't want to participate, then just don't. This whole mentality that you moaners are somehow genetically ordained to get something for nothing is beyond me. Because, as a custamor, what makes us any less important than the ones who subscribe to fileplanet. If there were 50k keys, and that's all that there were, for free and paying, than that's fine. It is understandable. But the fact that you have to be a subscriber has absolutely NO benefit whatsoever, as it is clearly a way to advertise Filepanet, nothing more. I respect Funcom and do look forward to the game, but the fact that they make people pay for an open beta AND they still have an NDA up turns me off of a pre-order and possibly the game in general.
Sorry man but your "Fact" is flawed, Funcome does not make people pay for an open beta, it's people like you who somehow feel forced into doing it. Remember you have a choice, but instead of using this choice you complelty ignore the true fact and thats you have a choice and it has nothing to do with funcome fileplanet or whatever, it's your own choice and no one is forcing you but you yourself. And it's amazing to see so many people totaly ignorant into making choices.
Originally posted by mike470 Sorry man but your "Fact" is flawed, Funcome does not make people pay for an open beta, it's people like you who somehow feel forced into doing it. Remember you have a choice, but instead of using this choice you complelty ignore the true fact and thats you have a choice and it has nothing to do with funcome fileplanet or whatever, it's your own choice and no one is forcing you but you yourself. And it's amazing to see so many people totaly ignorant into making choices.
If you want to take part in the "open" beta you have to pay. If you don't pay you can't take part in the open beta.
I am so bored of free loading whingers. The vast majority of people moaning about not having a free open beta don't even wanna 'test' anything, they just want a free trial given to them for nothing. Lets be clear, this is not an automatic right as many seem to believe. First of all, this 50k test is mostly a stress test. Sure, if there are any bugs people will report them, but the main reason for open beta (any open beta at that) is so people get a chance to try the game before they pre-order. There is nothing wrong with feeling like people want to try the game out, especially with all the nay-sayars and bad rumors. I personally think you over estimate the dedication of open beta 'testers' in terms of bug reporting or general usefulness beyond simply turning up, but seeing as I have no number or percentages to argue what I think the truth is I am not gonna debate that point overly here. More to the point, the whole problem here is with you guys who feel like you have the right to play before you buy, for free no less. There is a saying that applies here... Beggars arnt choosers.
Beggars get what they are given, and if that means no pre launch free play, then thats exactly what you get. Want info before you buy the game? There is going to be 50,000 people in this test who are no longer under NDA who will flood the internet with their opinions so all you have to do, like I say, is read reviews, blogs, talk to your mates, and get whatever other feedback you need to help you make up your mind in order to make a personal choice of whether to buy. All this will be out there before launch day, meaning that you will be able to get balanced feedback and still be there from the start. Sure, you will maybe be behind the pre-order guys somewhat, and not get some of the goodies on offer to them, but they will have put their money where their mouth is already so they deserve that. Also, what the hell makes this any different if it wasn't from fileplanet. Seriously, just becuase this person pays money,what makes you think that they want to do more than just play the game before it was released? PLEASE. The main reason that people want to try the game, fileplanet subs or not, is because they want to see how it is before it's release (The main purpose of an Open Beta). Just becuase I don't pay to fricken fileplanet doesn't mean I am less elligable to try out a game than any other of the subscribers. It probably hasnt occured to most but the fact that it is a paid service will most likely mean that those that end up playing through this beta will be either more 'serious' gamers who already have a sub to FP, or will be the ones who are more interested in AoC being a quality product at launch enough to spend some money, and therefore more likely to be usefultesters as opposed to gawking tourists, to my eyes at least. I also do not deny Funcom the right to see a little return on their product from as early as possible, assuming in this case that FP is pying them to host this, which I think is very likely. If FC is healthy that means the game will stay healthy, and I am all for that. btw, yes, the simple truth is that because you havent subbed to FP you are less elligable to try this game out. None of us are subscribers to AoC yet, so at this point they owe us nothing and we have the right to ask for nothing. There is no, I repeat no, entitlement to trying a pre release trial before buying a game, especially if the dev is sure they have a quality product on their hand. If the game is strong, the pre orders going well, and the media onside, they simply don't need to give anything away. If you do not want to pay to get a little look, then by all means wait until it has been released, read some reviews, talk to your friends, and then buy the frikin game if you still want to. Fine. I have no right to test out the game. But in the past, with all the bad news about pre-orders, Funcom in the end are the ones getting hurt. They are losing a potential custamor because they will not hold an actual open beta. 50k people is not open. Having to pay is sure as hell not open. See, what if I played the game and liked it, during the open beta (which isn't happening). Instead, I read a review about the game, and that forever turns me off. Therefore they lose a potential custamor. If you read 1 review and are turned off, when the internet and magazines will be flooded with views and feedback about this game as soon as the NDA is lifted, then thats your problem and not Funcom's or mine. My advice is that if you have doubts about whether you will like this game is to just do a little reading from a variety of sources, both professional and amateur and make a balanced choice. You simply do not have to open beta to be able to make an informed personal choice about this purchase. You see how the word choice keeps coming up here? In other words, do what 90% of other gamers do when they buy a new game. Nothing is forcing you you sub to FP to play this game, and clearly nothing demands you do so to enjoy the game to it's fullest. Why shouldnt Funcom make a return on the millions, time, and care they have invested in their product? If you don't want to participate, then just don't. This whole mentality that you moaners are somehow genetically ordained to get something for nothing is beyond me. Because, as a custamor, what makes us any less important than the ones who subscribe to fileplanet. If there were 50k keys, and that's all that there were, for free and paying, than that's fine. It is understandable. But the fact that you have to be a subscriber has absolutely NO benefit whatsoever, as it is clearly a way to advertise Filepanet, nothing more. Sigh... You are not less important. You just don't have a sub to File Planet. Not having a sub to FP does not detract from your playing experience of the launched game in any sense. Being part of the open beta was not offered as part of the original price of the box. As a customer you have the right to expect that which you pay for. Of course it is a commercial agreement between Funcom and FC, but both exist in order to sell a product or service, so I really don't see the shock in that. I respect Funcom and do look forward to the game, but the fact that they make people pay for an open beta AND they still have an NDA up turns me off of a pre-order and possibly the game in general. Like I say, up to 50,000 people will flood the internet with veiws, raves, and rants in plenty of time to make a choice to whether buy this game in time to be there from day 1, or hold off until you see where it goes. I simply do not see why you think the NDA being there at this point is a problem at all. It will be lifted in plenty of time for you to make an informed choice. As a side note, pre-orders are for those with belief and faith in what they have read and seen so far. They take a risk in the game being crapola for sure, but in return they are rewarded in a lot of ways for doing so. It's a gamble for sure, but an educated one and one that I am happy to take. It's not like I am buying a new car or anything... it's not that much money to worry about too much.
Originally posted by mike470 Sorry man but your "Fact" is flawed, Funcome does not make people pay for an open beta, it's people like you who somehow feel forced into doing it. Remember you have a choice, but instead of using this choice you complelty ignore the true fact and thats you have a choice and it has nothing to do with funcome fileplanet or whatever, it's your own choice and no one is forcing you but you yourself. And it's amazing to see so many people totaly ignorant into making choices.
If you want to take part in the "open" beta you have to pay. If you don't pay you can't take part in the open beta.
What is it you didn't understand?
Actually Bigmango, I think it's you who hasnt understood...
Reklaw is right.
I will let him explain it though, 'cause I am out of time this morning :P
Originally posted by mike470 Sorry man but your "Fact" is flawed, Funcome does not make people pay for an open beta, it's people like you who somehow feel forced into doing it. Remember you have a choice, but instead of using this choice you complelty ignore the true fact and thats you have a choice and it has nothing to do with funcome fileplanet or whatever, it's your own choice and no one is forcing you but you yourself. And it's amazing to see so many people totaly ignorant into making choices.
If you want to take part in the "open" beta you have to pay. If you don't pay you can't take part in the open beta.
What is it you didn't understand?
Actually Bigmango, I think it's you who hasnt understood...
Reklaw is right.
I will let him explain it though, 'cause I am out of time this morning :P
Haha, ok, so you now explain to me how I take part in the "open" beta without paying. I'm listening to you.
Originally posted by mike470 Sorry man but your "Fact" is flawed, Funcome does not make people pay for an open beta, it's people like you who somehow feel forced into doing it. Remember you have a choice, but instead of using this choice you complelty ignore the true fact and thats you have a choice and it has nothing to do with funcome fileplanet or whatever, it's your own choice and no one is forcing you but you yourself. And it's amazing to see so many people totaly ignorant into making choices.
If you want to take part in the "open" beta you have to pay. If you don't pay you can't take part in the open beta.
What is it you didn't understand?
Actually Bigmango, I think it's you who hasnt understood...
Reklaw is right.
I will let him explain it though, 'cause I am out of time this morning :P
Haha, ok, so you now explain to me how I take part in the "open" beta without paying. I'm listening to you.
The point they are trying to make, BigMango, is that YOU choose or NOT choose to pay to play in open beta. No one is forcing you to pay the price of admission if you choose not to participate. This is true in so many ways in life.
And what's this about a level cap of 13 or 20 or whatever in beta? Less than two months from launch? Man, Funcom is going to screw the pooch with AoC. Just like AO.
I am so bored of free loading whingers. The vast majority of people moaning about not having a free open beta don't even wanna 'test' anything, they just want a free trial given to them for nothing. Lets be clear, this is not an automatic right as many seem to believe. First of all, this 50k test is mostly a stress test. Sure, if there are any bugs people will report them, but the main reason for open beta (any open beta at that) is so people get a chance to try the game before they pre-order. There is nothing wrong with feeling like people want to try the game out, especially with all the nay-sayars and bad rumors. I personally think you over estimate the dedication of open beta 'testers' in terms of bug reporting or general usefulness beyond simply turning up, but seeing as I have no number or percentages to argue what I think the truth is I am not gonna debate that point overly here. I'll write in yellow. I personally think you are overestimating the subscribers of fileplanet. If you get 50,000 people playing, don't be surprised if you get many bug reports; FP subscriber or no FP subscriber. More to the point, the whole problem here is with you guys who feel like you have the right to play before you buy, for free no less. There is a saying that applies here... Beggars arnt choosers.
Beggars get what they are given, and if that means no pre launch free play, then thats exactly what you get. Want info before you buy the game? There is going to be 50,000 people in this test who are no longer under NDA who will flood the internet with their opinions so all you have to do, like I say, is read reviews, blogs, talk to your mates, and get whatever other feedback you need to help you make up your mind in order to make a personal choice of whether to buy. They are not under NDA for only this weekend, the closed testers are still unable to say anything. But anyway, wouldn't you rather get a feel for the game yourself, instead of taking 1000 people's views on it. And it is so much more understandable if there are just 50k keys given out to anyone. It's not like I'm the only one angered by this. All this will be out there before launch day, meaning that you will be able to get balanced feedback and still be there from the start. Sure, you will maybe be behind the pre-order guys somewhat, and not get some of the goodies on offer to them, but they will have put their money where their mouth is already so they deserve that. Also, what the hell makes this any different if it wasn't from fileplanet. Seriously, just becuase this person pays money,what makes you think that they want to do more than just play the game before it was released? PLEASE. The main reason that people want to try the game, fileplanet subs or not, is because they want to see how it is before it's release (The main purpose of an Open Beta). Just becuase I don't pay to fricken fileplanet doesn't mean I am less elligable to try out a game than any other of the subscribers. It probably hasnt occured to most but the fact that it is a paid service will most likely mean that those that end up playing through this beta will be either more 'serious' gamers who already have a sub to FP, or will be the ones who are more interested in AoC being a quality product at launch enough to spend some money, and therefore more likely to be usefultesters as opposed to gawking tourists, to my eyes at least. I see what you're saying. But still, it's just an assumption that because they pay for this subscription, they will help report bugs. It does not matter if they are serious gamers, it matters if they are willing to take time from playing and help the devs. But I think that when you have 50k people, you'll get a good amount of help (FP subs or not). I also do not deny Funcom the right to see a little return on their product from as early as possible, assuming in this case that FP is pying them to host this, which I think is very likely. If FC is healthy that means the game will stay healthy, and I am all for that. btw, yes, the simple truth is that because you havent subbed to FP you are less elligable to try this game out. None of us are subscribers to AoC yet, so at this point they owe us nothing and we have the right to ask for nothing. It really doesn't though. Some people just signed up for FP for this, and for some reason that seems to make them more elligable than me? Cause I don't pay X amount of dollars each month? Why would they have more of a right to try it out than me? There is no, I repeat no, entitlement to trying a pre release trial before buying a game, especially if the dev is sure they have a quality product on their hand. If the game is strong, the pre orders going well, and the media onside, they simply don't need to give anything away. If you do not want to pay to get a little look, then by all means wait until it has been released, read some reviews, talk to your friends, and then buy the frikin game if you still want to. Fine. I have no right to test out the game. But in the past, with all the bad news about pre-orders, Funcom in the end are the ones getting hurt. They are losing a potential custamor because they will not hold an actual open beta. 50k people is not open. Having to pay is sure as hell not open. See, what if I played the game and liked it, during the open beta (which isn't happening). Instead, I read a review about the game, and that forever turns me off. Therefore they lose a potential custamor. If you read 1 review and are turned off, when the internet and magazines will be flooded with views and feedback about this game as soon as the NDA is lifted, then thats your problem and not Funcom's or mine. Ok. But once again, I would rather have a chance to play the game than take someone's word for it. I have done that for most games, yet it seems I may have to take some people's word on it this time (which is fine, but still). My advice is that if you have doubts about whether you will like this game is to just do a little reading from a variety of sources, both professional and amateur and make a balanced choice. You simply do not have to open beta to be able to make an informed personal choice about this purchase. You see how the word choice keeps coming up here? In other words, do what 90% of other gamers do when they buy a new game. Nothing is forcing you you sub to FP to play this game, and clearly nothing demands you do so to enjoy the game to it's fullest. Why shouldnt Funcom make a return on the millions, time, and care they have invested in their product? If you don't want to participate, then just don't. This whole mentality that you moaners are somehow genetically ordained to get something for nothing is beyond me. Because, as a custamor, what makes us any less important than the ones who subscribe to fileplanet. If there were 50k keys, and that's all that there were, for free and paying, than that's fine. It is understandable. But the fact that you have to be a subscriber has absolutely NO benefit whatsoever, as it is clearly a way to advertise Filepanet, nothing more. Sigh... You are not less important. You just don't have a sub to File Planet. Not having a sub to FP does not detract from your playing experience of the launched game in any sense. Being part of the open beta was not offered as part of the original price of the box. As a customer you have the right to expect that which you pay for. Of course it is a commercial agreement between Funcom and FC, but both exist in order to sell a product or service, so I really don't see the shock in that. I respect Funcom and do look forward to the game, but the fact that they make people pay for an open beta AND they still have an NDA up turns me off of a pre-order and possibly the game in general. Like I say, up to 50,000 people will flood the internet with veiws, raves, and rants in plenty of time to make a choice to whether buy this game in time to be there from day 1, or hold off until you see where it goes. I simply do not see why you think the NDA being there at this point is a problem at all. It will be lifted in plenty of time for you to make an informed choice. As a side note, pre-orders are for those with belief and faith in what they have read and seen so far. They take a risk in the game being crapola for sure, but in return they are rewarded in a lot of ways for doing so. It's a gamble for sure, but an educated one and one that I am happy to take. It's not like I am buying a new car or anything... it's not that much money to worry about too much. The whole point of my arguement is that they gain nothing from holding this at FP, except for $$. I guess I will have have to take some reviews, and beg that someone gives meh a key . Also, this is hardly an open beta... 50k people and a level cap of 13? err..
__________________________________________________ In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08 - Rest In Peace; you will not be forgotten
Course it is. Can you imagine trying to download a beta client as huge as AoC through anyhting less than a dedication professional download site?
Torrent?!?
Yes torrent, like others game do. I.ex WoW uses torrent for everything, even game patches downloads and it works perfectly. And wow is millions of players, not only 50k.
No, the matter at hand here is 15$ x 50'000 keys = 750'000$ cash.
If your going to use WoW as an example, I should point out that WoW went from closed Beta, to a Fileplanet subscriber (paid) "open beta", and then did a true "open beta" for the last 10 days or so prior to launch.
I am so bored of free loading whingers. The vast majority of people moaning about not having a free open beta don't even wanna 'test' anything, they just want a free trial given to them for nothing. Lets be clear, this is not an automatic right as many seem to believe. First of all, this 50k test is mostly a stress test. Sure, if there are any bugs people will report them, but the main reason for open beta (any open beta at that) is so people get a chance to try the game before they pre-order. There is nothing wrong with feeling like people want to try the game out, especially with all the nay-sayars and bad rumors. I personally think you over estimate the dedication of open beta 'testers' in terms of bug reporting or general usefulness beyond simply turning up, but seeing as I have no number or percentages to argue what I think the truth is I am not gonna debate that point overly here. I'll write in yellow. I personally think you are overestimating the subscribers of fileplanet. If you get 50,000 people playing, don't be surprised if you get many bug reports; FP subscriber or no FP subscriber. More to the point, the whole problem here is with you guys who feel like you have the right to play before you buy, for free no less. There is a saying that applies here... Beggars arnt choosers.
Beggars get what they are given, and if that means no pre launch free play, then thats exactly what you get. Want info before you buy the game? There is going to be 50,000 people in this test who are no longer under NDA who will flood the internet with their opinions so all you have to do, like I say, is read reviews, blogs, talk to your mates, and get whatever other feedback you need to help you make up your mind in order to make a personal choice of whether to buy. They are not under NDA for only this weekend, the closed testers are still unable to say anything. But anyway, wouldn't you rather get a feel for the game yourself, instead of taking 1000 people's views on it. And it is so much more understandable if there are just 50k keys given out to anyone. It's not like I'm the only one angered by this. All this will be out there before launch day, meaning that you will be able to get balanced feedback and still be there from the start. Sure, you will maybe be behind the pre-order guys somewhat, and not get some of the goodies on offer to them, but they will have put their money where their mouth is already so they deserve that. Also, what the hell makes this any different if it wasn't from fileplanet. Seriously, just becuase this person pays money,what makes you think that they want to do more than just play the game before it was released? PLEASE. The main reason that people want to try the game, fileplanet subs or not, is because they want to see how it is before it's release (The main purpose of an Open Beta). Just becuase I don't pay to fricken fileplanet doesn't mean I am less elligable to try out a game than any other of the subscribers. It probably hasnt occured to most but the fact that it is a paid service will most likely mean that those that end up playing through this beta will be either more 'serious' gamers who already have a sub to FP, or will be the ones who are more interested in AoC being a quality product at launch enough to spend some money, and therefore more likely to be usefultesters as opposed to gawking tourists, to my eyes at least. I see what you're saying. But still, it's just an assumption that because they pay for this subscription, they will help report bugs. It does not matter if they are serious gamers, it matters if they are willing to take time from playing and help the devs. But I think that when you have 50k people, you'll get a good amount of help (FP subs or not). I also do not deny Funcom the right to see a little return on their product from as early as possible, assuming in this case that FP is pying them to host this, which I think is very likely. If FC is healthy that means the game will stay healthy, and I am all for that. btw, yes, the simple truth is that because you havent subbed to FP you are less elligable to try this game out. None of us are subscribers to AoC yet, so at this point they owe us nothing and we have the right to ask for nothing. It really doesn't though. Some people just signed up for FP for this, and for some reason that seems to make them more elligable than me? Cause I don't pay X amount of dollars each month? Why would they have more of a right to try it out than me? There is no, I repeat no, entitlement to trying a pre release trial before buying a game, especially if the dev is sure they have a quality product on their hand. If the game is strong, the pre orders going well, and the media onside, they simply don't need to give anything away. If you do not want to pay to get a little look, then by all means wait until it has been released, read some reviews, talk to your friends, and then buy the frikin game if you still want to. Fine. I have no right to test out the game. But in the past, with all the bad news about pre-orders, Funcom in the end are the ones getting hurt. They are losing a potential custamor because they will not hold an actual open beta. 50k people is not open. Having to pay is sure as hell not open. See, what if I played the game and liked it, during the open beta (which isn't happening). Instead, I read a review about the game, and that forever turns me off. Therefore they lose a potential custamor. If you read 1 review and are turned off, when the internet and magazines will be flooded with views and feedback about this game as soon as the NDA is lifted, then thats your problem and not Funcom's or mine. Ok. But once again, I would rather have a chance to play the game than take someone's word for it. I have done that for most games, yet it seems I may have to take some people's word on it this time (which is fine, but still). My advice is that if you have doubts about whether you will like this game is to just do a little reading from a variety of sources, both professional and amateur and make a balanced choice. You simply do not have to open beta to be able to make an informed personal choice about this purchase. You see how the word choice keeps coming up here? In other words, do what 90% of other gamers do when they buy a new game. Nothing is forcing you you sub to FP to play this game, and clearly nothing demands you do so to enjoy the game to it's fullest. Why shouldnt Funcom make a return on the millions, time, and care they have invested in their product? If you don't want to participate, then just don't. This whole mentality that you moaners are somehow genetically ordained to get something for nothing is beyond me. Because, as a custamor, what makes us any less important than the ones who subscribe to fileplanet. If there were 50k keys, and that's all that there were, for free and paying, than that's fine. It is understandable. But the fact that you have to be a subscriber has absolutely NO benefit whatsoever, as it is clearly a way to advertise Filepanet, nothing more. Sigh... You are not less important. You just don't have a sub to File Planet. Not having a sub to FP does not detract from your playing experience of the launched game in any sense. Being part of the open beta was not offered as part of the original price of the box. As a customer you have the right to expect that which you pay for. Of course it is a commercial agreement between Funcom and FC, but both exist in order to sell a product or service, so I really don't see the shock in that. I respect Funcom and do look forward to the game, but the fact that they make people pay for an open beta AND they still have an NDA up turns me off of a pre-order and possibly the game in general. Like I say, up to 50,000 people will flood the internet with veiws, raves, and rants in plenty of time to make a choice to whether buy this game in time to be there from day 1, or hold off until you see where it goes. I simply do not see why you think the NDA being there at this point is a problem at all. It will be lifted in plenty of time for you to make an informed choice. As a side note, pre-orders are for those with belief and faith in what they have read and seen so far. They take a risk in the game being crapola for sure, but in return they are rewarded in a lot of ways for doing so. It's a gamble for sure, but an educated one and one that I am happy to take. It's not like I am buying a new car or anything... it's not that much money to worry about too much. The whole point of my arguement is that they gain nothing from holding this at FP, except for $$. I guess I will have have to take some reviews, and beg that someone gives meh a key . Also, this is hardly an open beta... 50k people and a level cap of 13? err..
"The whole point of my arguement is that they gain nothing from holding this at FP, except for $$. I guess I will have have to take some reviews, and beg that someone gives meh a key .
Also, this is hardly an open beta... 50k people and a level cap of 13? err.."
I have agreed that FP hosting this is a commercial descision to make them both for money. I personally have np with that, it is their product after all. Like I say, a financially healthy Funcom is means in theory a healthy and well supported game, which is of course a good thing. I personally am happy to invest in a game with my money if it looks to be something worthwhile.
I do defend also Funcom's right to define their 'open beta' however they wish to. If they choose to only invite FP subscribers, then thats their call. They are not obliged to meet our demands for freebies if they commercially do not feel they need to. If they do, thats a bonus, but not a right.
Saying this, I am also a little confused at the lvl cap if that s true tbh... It wasnt something I expected to see at this point.
Listen, I obviously don't get the mindset that an open beta place is essential to making a descision to buy this or not, but I will have at least one spare key from my, my GF's, and my sisters pre orders if you want to wait and try this out at that point, just drop me a PM to remind me ok?
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If your going to use WoW as an example, I should point out that WoW went from closed Beta, to a Fileplanet subscriber (paid) "open beta", and then did a true "open beta" for the last 10 days or so prior to launch. This has become a normal practice for mmo's.
Wake up. Wow beta was 5 years ago. Today wow even uses torrent within its game download and auto-update patching system.
If you only know Wow and AoC, I suggest you should try some other mmos. It was normal practice in the past as there wasn't really anything else, but today there are new technologies like torrent and many mmos are now using it more and more.
EVEN consoles are now starting to use peer2peer for their downloads. Yesterday on my PS3 there was an update for MGS4, there were 2 choices given for the download : peer2peer and http download.
The point that was made above, was that FC is using the download and server hosting as an excuse to make us pay; there are big bucks involved here. That's dishonest marketing spin. Nothing else.
Originally posted by mike470 Sorry man but your "Fact" is flawed, Funcome does not make people pay for an open beta, it's people like you who somehow feel forced into doing it. Remember you have a choice, but instead of using this choice you complelty ignore the true fact and thats you have a choice and it has nothing to do with funcome fileplanet or whatever, it's your own choice and no one is forcing you but you yourself. And it's amazing to see so many people totaly ignorant into making choices.
If you want to take part in the "open" beta you have to pay. If you don't pay you can't take part in the open beta.
What is it you didn't understand?
Actually Bigmango, I think it's you who hasnt understood...
Reklaw is right.
I will let him explain it though, 'cause I am out of time this morning :P
Haha, ok, so you now explain to me how I take part in the "open" beta without paying. I'm listening to you.
The point they are trying to make, BigMango, is that YOU choose or NOT choose to pay to play in open beta. No one is forcing you to pay the price of admission if you choose not to participate. This is true in so many ways in life.
And you now need to reply to this ? Hahaha
I know very well what the above 2 guys were trying to say. And they understood very well what everyone is saying in this thread. They were just voluntarily missing the point completely. That's what trolling fanbois do in mmo forums, trying to heat forums up, don't they ?
Wooaaw those guys are so clever. They realize that if we play a beta we do it because we chose to do so.
If we WANT to play the beta we are FORCED to pay. Period. Yes, if you do it it is OBVIOUSLY because you chose to do it.
If your going to use WoW as an example, I should point out that WoW went from closed Beta, to a Fileplanet subscriber (paid) "open beta", and then did a true "open beta" for the last 10 days or so prior to launch. This has become a normal practice for mmo's.
Wake up. Wow beta was 5 years ago. Today wow even uses torrent within its game download and auto-update patching system.
If you only know Wow and AoC, I suggest you should try some other mmos. It was normal practice in the past as there wasn't really anything else, but today there are new technologies like torrent and many mmos are now using it more and more.
EVEN consoles are now starting to use peer2peer for their downloads. Yesterday on my PS3 there was an update for MGS4, there were 2 choices given for the download : peer2peer and http download.
The point that was made above, was that FC is using the download and server hosting as an excuse to make us pay; there are big bucks involved here. That's dishonest marketing spin. Nothing else.
And the point I am making, is that using FP to host Beta for their subscribers has been a fairly common practice, so I'm not sure why all the crying now.
Additionally, you mention that "there are big bucks involved here. That's dishonest marketing spin." You should consider that Funcom and Fileplanet are businesses. They exist to make money. Just because the technology exists for them to do it differently doesn't mean that it is in their best interest to do that.
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Yes I heard the same thing.
At level 20 you get a holocron... and it tells you.. that you must level every class to 20.. in order to unlock your ability to level past 20... and glow blue at night.
Yeah, so I discovered finally. I wonder why they mentioned the other sites then.
Oops, I was answering another post.
Can we stop using the term "open beta". Only paying subscripers of theirs will MAYBE get a key... -_-
Is the NDA lifted on May 1st? If 1-20 is a polished game, I'd like to hear from closed beta testers on their experiences before buying.
Apparently everyone who posted after you completely ignored your post so I thought I would stick it back in here.
I'd like to know why an annoucement such as open beta isnt on mmorpg.com front page of slide shows?
We have Elf Online Music and 3 Lord of the Rings updates on there. Another example of not putting the news out on the highest hyped game on the site. Wait till all the other games that release this summer, will all be up there.
maybe they don't consider "pay for a chance for a beta key" to be true open beta?
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Lots of games put a low level cap on they're open beta mainly because they do not delete the toons when the game goes public, so YOU can continue playing your existing char. Sorry to burst your Warhammer loving bubble
Don't confuse a players ability, with a class being Over Powered.
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Sorry man but your "Fact" is flawed, Funcome does not make people pay for an open beta, it's people like you who somehow feel forced into doing it. Remember you have a choice, but instead of using this choice you complelty ignore the true fact and thats you have a choice and it has nothing to do with funcome fileplanet or whatever, it's your own choice and no one is forcing you but you yourself. And it's amazing to see so many people totaly ignorant into making choices.
If you want to take part in the "open" beta you have to pay. If you don't pay you can't take part in the open beta.
What is it you didn't understand?
If you want to take part in the "open" beta you have to pay. If you don't pay you can't take part in the open beta.
What is it you didn't understand?
Actually Bigmango, I think it's you who hasnt understood...
Reklaw is right.
I will let him explain it though, 'cause I am out of time this morning :P
Fileplanet always do this, the first days are exclusive to paying customers.
After a few days they will open the remaining keys to non-subscribers too.
So just wait a few days, but be ready to press the button, because the remaining keys will be gone in less than an hour
If you want to take part in the "open" beta you have to pay. If you don't pay you can't take part in the open beta.
What is it you didn't understand?
Actually Bigmango, I think it's you who hasnt understood...
Reklaw is right.
I will let him explain it though, 'cause I am out of time this morning :P
Haha, ok, so you now explain to me how I take part in the "open" beta without paying. I'm listening to you.
If you want to take part in the "open" beta you have to pay. If you don't pay you can't take part in the open beta.
What is it you didn't understand?
Actually Bigmango, I think it's you who hasnt understood...
Reklaw is right.
I will let him explain it though, 'cause I am out of time this morning :P
Haha, ok, so you now explain to me how I take part in the "open" beta without paying. I'm listening to you.
The point they are trying to make, BigMango, is that YOU choose or NOT choose to pay to play in open beta. No one is forcing you to pay the price of admission if you choose not to participate. This is true in so many ways in life.
It's not open beta if:
a) you have to pay to access it
b) it's limited to 50,000 selected accounts
And what's this about a level cap of 13 or 20 or whatever in beta? Less than two months from launch? Man, Funcom is going to screw the pooch with AoC. Just like AO.
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Torrent?!?
Yes torrent, like others game do. I.ex WoW uses torrent for everything, even game patches downloads and it works perfectly. And wow is millions of players, not only 50k.
No, the matter at hand here is 15$ x 50'000 keys = 750'000$ cash.
If your going to use WoW as an example, I should point out that WoW went from closed Beta, to a Fileplanet subscriber (paid) "open beta", and then did a true "open beta" for the last 10 days or so prior to launch.
This has become a normal practice for mmo's.
"The whole point of my arguement is that they gain nothing from holding this at FP, except for $$. I guess I will have have to take some reviews, and beg that someone gives meh a key
.
Also, this is hardly an open beta... 50k people and a level cap of 13? err.."
I have agreed that FP hosting this is a commercial descision to make them both for money. I personally have np with that, it is their product after all. Like I say, a financially healthy Funcom is means in theory a healthy and well supported game, which is of course a good thing. I personally am happy to invest in a game with my money if it looks to be something worthwhile.
I do defend also Funcom's right to define their 'open beta' however they wish to. If they choose to only invite FP subscribers, then thats their call. They are not obliged to meet our demands for freebies if they commercially do not feel they need to. If they do, thats a bonus, but not a right.
Saying this, I am also a little confused at the lvl cap if that s true tbh... It wasnt something I expected to see at this point.
Listen, I obviously don't get the mindset that an open beta place is essential to making a descision to buy this or not, but I will have at least one spare key from my, my GF's, and my sisters pre orders if you want to wait and try this out at that point, just drop me a PM to remind me ok?
Ok, thanks. It will be appreciated
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In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08 - Rest In Peace; you will not be forgotten
Wake up. Wow beta was 5 years ago. Today wow even uses torrent within its game download and auto-update patching system.
If you only know Wow and AoC, I suggest you should try some other mmos. It was normal practice in the past as there wasn't really anything else, but today there are new technologies like torrent and many mmos are now using it more and more.
EVEN consoles are now starting to use peer2peer for their downloads. Yesterday on my PS3 there was an update for MGS4, there were 2 choices given for the download : peer2peer and http download.
The point that was made above, was that FC is using the download and server hosting as an excuse to make us pay; there are big bucks involved here. That's dishonest marketing spin. Nothing else.
If you want to take part in the "open" beta you have to pay. If you don't pay you can't take part in the open beta.
What is it you didn't understand?
Actually Bigmango, I think it's you who hasnt understood...
Reklaw is right.
I will let him explain it though, 'cause I am out of time this morning :P
Haha, ok, so you now explain to me how I take part in the "open" beta without paying. I'm listening to you.
The point they are trying to make, BigMango, is that YOU choose or NOT choose to pay to play in open beta. No one is forcing you to pay the price of admission if you choose not to participate. This is true in so many ways in life.
And you now need to reply to this ? Hahaha
I know very well what the above 2 guys were trying to say. And they understood very well what everyone is saying in this thread. They were just voluntarily missing the point completely. That's what trolling fanbois do in mmo forums, trying to heat forums up, don't they ?
Wooaaw those guys are so clever. They realize that if we play a beta we do it because we chose to do so.
If we WANT to play the beta we are FORCED to pay. Period. Yes, if you do it it is OBVIOUSLY because you chose to do it.
Wake up. Wow beta was 5 years ago. Today wow even uses torrent within its game download and auto-update patching system.
If you only know Wow and AoC, I suggest you should try some other mmos. It was normal practice in the past as there wasn't really anything else, but today there are new technologies like torrent and many mmos are now using it more and more.
EVEN consoles are now starting to use peer2peer for their downloads. Yesterday on my PS3 there was an update for MGS4, there were 2 choices given for the download : peer2peer and http download.
The point that was made above, was that FC is using the download and server hosting as an excuse to make us pay; there are big bucks involved here. That's dishonest marketing spin. Nothing else.
And the point I am making, is that using FP to host Beta for their subscribers has been a fairly common practice, so I'm not sure why all the crying now.
Additionally, you mention that "there are big bucks involved here. That's dishonest marketing spin." You should consider that Funcom and Fileplanet are businesses. They exist to make money. Just because the technology exists for them to do it differently doesn't mean that it is in their best interest to do that.
i think here is a need for introducing a new "term" of describing a beta.
In the past we had:
Alpha
closed beta
open beta
puplished game.
Now we have
Alpha
closed beta
paid closed beta
prepaid game closed beta
open beta
puplished game.
Finish line: If there is some sort of paying and/or a limited number of accounts then u DO NOT have an open beta.