Wow, after reading 3 pages of fans bashing OpenEdge I forgot what the OP originally asked. Let's see if I can share some thoughts without being labeled a "troll". While it is true that LotRO does have some great story arcs that are immersive, you will still find a plethora of "find this, kill that, fetch this" etc quests. But there are some nice variations on them (like the Pie delivery series, which you will either love or hate) From a role-playing and immersion standpoint, I think LoTRO does a great job of this. Especially in the Shire you really feel like you are there. But the other areas are great too, and nothing is better than your first visit to Rivendell. I won't spoil it by telling you anything here, should be experienced for yourself. I quit after the first two months, with my highest character at level 30, so I guess some would feel I'm not qualified to have an opinion on the game. Maybe they're right, the game has changed a lot since those days, though the fundamental game play hasn't (which is neither good nor bad, just a matter of taste) which is why I'll not be returning. It sounds to me like you'd be a really good candidate to enjoy this game, and since there's a free trial I'd recommend you give it a go. (hows that for advice from a forum troll?)
Well, to be honest, I don't see why someone who only has 7 levels has any less of a voice than a lvl 30 or a lvl 50.
True, they can't speak about the entire gameplay experience but they can give their opinions based upon those 7 levels.
One thing that LOTRO does not do well is in some cases to create a compelling lower lvl experience. I have to say that it is not clear to the new player that the starter tutorial instance (not the very first story/background instance) isn't the actual game world.
To that end it can seem dry and uninspiring.
It's not the levels... as much as the timeframe.
For a MMO... more-so than any other game... once you've been away from the game for 6 months or more... the gaming experience is just not the same for new players entering.
Too much has changed, dynamics of the economy, the quests, the community, the NPCs, the skills, how to play the character, etc. All these things have changed in LoTRo in the last 6 months.
Now, when you couple that with the dynamics of Role-playing and the community that a play-style like that demands. Yeah, I think it's a safe call to say that someone who hasn't played (for more than a day or so) in more than 6 months is unqualified to give a comment on the state of the Role-playing community or what it entails... not just for LoTRo... but for any game.
Now, if they want to qualify their statement with when they last played ACTIVELY (again, not just a day trial) then readers could decide for themselves if they think that out-dated experience is still valid or not.
I haven't played Vanguard for about a year now; it would be really silly of me to go to the Vanguard boards and tell new and prospective players of my play experiences... because they wouldn't be valid today.
I haven't played EQ2 in about 1.5 years now; it would be really silly of me to go to the EQ2 boards and tell new and prospective players of my play experiences... because they wouldn't be valid today.
Yeah, I suppose I could reactivate my accounts on those two games and pop into the games... just to say that I've played them recently... but who would do something that desperate? Unless, I'm seriously going to consider going back to the game and play it for an entire month what would be the point? But, then why would I want to go back why I'm enjoying my time on LoTRo?
I've played for a couple of months (lvl 31) and think it is very immersive. The epic quests are great and have a great story and the lore is phenomonal. They put tons of little things in the book to actually make it feel like you are their helping the fight against Sauron. I love htis game and will be here for a long time.
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I have been away from the MMORPG genre for a year, and since my return, it seems that it has not progressed in the way I had thought. I have been into role-playing games of all types since way back when I was a kid, and when I first played a MMO, I thought I had stumbled upon the answer to my gaming prayers. The game was EQ2, and at first I thought that I would have a gaming experience akin to the old days of my AD&D past. However, I soon discovered that there was very little immersion in the story, and instead of role-play, people tended to talk in jargon, more interested in stats and gear. Thinking that this was maybe just that particular game, I tried others, including WoW, CoH, FFXI, L2, to name but a few. It was incredibly frustrating, as instead of feeling immersed in those worlds, I just got the impression that my goal was to level, get better gear, etc. Where was the sense of story that would draw me into the game? Single player rpg's such as Baldur's Gate 2 managed it, so why couldn't a dev produce a persistent world that had the same sense of story and drama as that? Now, I have heard quite a few things in regards to Lord of the Rings, and it sounds promising. Immersive quests, that are not the generic 'find this, kill that' variety, but actual story-arcs, which can be played with your friends, and give the same feeling of verismilitude that single player rpg's create. Is this just hype? I would be interested in knowing your experiences of this game before I go out and buy it. Both good and bad. Also, as I have given an example of the type of gaming experience I enjoy, do you think that I will finally find it with LotR? (And can you tell me how the quests work, do they have cut-scenes, etc?) Like I said, I welcome anyone's opinion, so that I can make a valued judgement about buying this game. Also is it worth dropping a sub to one of the games I listed above, in favour of this one?
I hear the movie allows you more freedom than the game. The game is very linear and forced.
I hear the movie allows you more freedom than the game. The game is very linear and forced.
That is completely true for those that only watched the movie and never read the book. Try reading the book sometime and playing the game while you do, it is truly a new gaming experience for me.
Wow, after reading 3 pages of fans bashing OpenEdge I forgot what the OP originally asked. Let's see if I can share some thoughts without being labeled a "troll". While it is true that LotRO does have some great story arcs that are immersive, you will still find a plethora of "find this, kill that, fetch this" etc quests. But there are some nice variations on them (like the Pie delivery series, which you will either love or hate) From a role-playing and immersion standpoint, I think LoTRO does a great job of this. Especially in the Shire you really feel like you are there. But the other areas are great too, and nothing is better than your first visit to Rivendell. I won't spoil it by telling you anything here, should be experienced for yourself. I quit after the first two months, with my highest character at level 30, so I guess some would feel I'm not qualified to have an opinion on the game. Maybe they're right, the game has changed a lot since those days, though the fundamental game play hasn't (which is neither good nor bad, just a matter of taste) which is why I'll not be returning. It sounds to me like you'd be a really good candidate to enjoy this game, and since there's a free trial I'd recommend you give it a go. (hows that for advice from a forum troll?)
I had a similar experience. Started playing during the pre-order portion of open beta and stuck around for a few months. I had several different characters with the highest level one some where in the 40's. I honestly think that I got an accurate feel for the game.
It really comes down to what type of MMO some one is looking for. If they like linear, theme park style MMOs, then theyll probably like LOTRO (unless the clunky combat turns them off). If they dont like linear MMOs, then they definately wont stay interested for very long.
As for role playing, Id say the good qualities of LOTRO are: nice area design, great sound track, Middle Earth lore, nice graphics...
Bad qualities for role play would be: linear game play with a narrow focus, static world, and extreme lack of character customization.
Yeah, I've noticed that as well. It definitely seems a bit odd why someone has made their point about not liking a particular game for whatever reason continually and I mean continually coming back to beat the proverbial dead horse over and over again.
I like to be able to play "devils advocate" and make sure the opposing viewpoint is here as well. Just like I have with Vanguard, Tabula Rasa, and even EQ2.
I would hardly call what you've a history of doing with LoTRO and Turbine as "playing Devil's Advocate". You have described yourself as a LoTRO and/or Turbine "hater" in the past. However you try to paint yourself now as "more objective" doesn't change that.
We all know your routine.
So please, once again, stop with the intellectual dishonsty and the duplicity. There are too many of us around here who know your history all too well. We are quite ready to call you out on it when ever you try to hide behind this veil of "objectivity" or what you now call "playing Devil's Advocate".
The quote you had for a while was *hardly* being objective or playing "Devil's Advocate". I notice you've finally changed that, now that several people have called you out on it. Why change it? If that's truly how you feel.. oh oh... Right.. Kinda hard to feign "objectivity" when evidence to the contrary is right under people's nose. Of course.
Your bashing LoTRO and Turbine in the EQ2 forums is not "Playing Devil's Advocate" - the particular statement I'm referring to was completely unsolicited there. LoTRO wasn't even *mentioned* by anyone else in the thread.. *you* invoked it completely out of the blue. It wasn't relevant to the topic.. it was just another opportunity you saw to bash the game and/or company.
Your specifically bashing LoTRO in one of the news item threads wasn't you playing "Devil's Advocate".
Those and all other examples I could bring up are you doing what you've always done - bashing LoTRO and/or Turbine at any opportunity because of some grudge or whatever you have that you refuse to let go.
If you're going to continue to come here, at least do us the favor of realizing you're not among complete idiots who don't see what you do for what it is. Drop the act.
The difference is many others also come into the threads for the above mentioned games and give their opposing viewpoints...and each person can handle it. It seems the LOTRO "fans" cannot, and will jump on any opposing point and attack the poster...instead of the points that were made...big difference..
Ummm.. Wrong. More intellectual dishonesty from you.
We do not attack anyone who posts a negative opinion, particularly when their opinions are informed by recent experience and/or at least not colored by a well demonstrated bias against the game and/or developer.
It also helps that most people will state their case, and then *move on*. They don't linger here indefinitely. Something you can't seem to bring yourself to do, even after months.
We jump on anyone who - like yourself - demonstrates a history of nothing more than a need to bash the game and/or the company because of their own personal grudge or whatever it is that compels you to keep coming back here, even though you claim to be completely happy in EQ2.
So, until the threads for LOTRO look like the above games threads, I have a right to post here, just as any other "fan" or "opposer" does.
In other words.. it's like I've said... You can't let any thread that's "too positive" for your liking go untouched. It bothers you that there are people who enjoy LoTRO and have little or nothing negative to say about it, and you can't just accept that and move on. Just gotta keep coming back here injecting your negativity - not to bring an objective point-of-view; not to play "Devil's Advocate".
You need to "temper" the posts for a game you haven't played in months, have openly expressed a dislike for, because people are being "too positive" about it for you. Most all people who decided the game wasn't for them will never even read those posts because they've moved on. Yet you're still here, months later, still analyzing posts for "objectionable tone". Ergo, you're obsessed.
Let it be understood.. I don't care that you don't like LoTRO or Turbine. I don't even mind so much that you're obssessed. What bothers me is the dishonesty in your actions; how you think you're pulling wool over people's eyes when you come in here and put on this act, like you're interested in discussing the game civilly, even while you're blissfully bashing the game elsewhere. It's a lie, and we all know it.
So, as long as you persist to come in here acting like you're merely trying to innocently and objectively "provide the other perspective", myself and perhaps others will be swift to call you out on it... To put your words into proper perspective. Because your opinions are anything but objective and, with how long it's been since you actually *played* the game, they're hardly what I'd call "relevant" anymore.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Wow, after reading 3 pages of fans bashing OpenEdge I forgot what the OP originally asked. Let's see if I can share some thoughts without being labeled a "troll". While it is true that LotRO does have some great story arcs that are immersive, you will still find a plethora of "find this, kill that, fetch this" etc quests. But there are some nice variations on them (like the Pie delivery series, which you will either love or hate) From a role-playing and immersion standpoint, I think LoTRO does a great job of this. Especially in the Shire you really feel like you are there. But the other areas are great too, and nothing is better than your first visit to Rivendell. I won't spoil it by telling you anything here, should be experienced for yourself. I quit after the first two months, with my highest character at level 30, so I guess some would feel I'm not qualified to have an opinion on the game. Maybe they're right, the game has changed a lot since those days, though the fundamental game play hasn't (which is neither good nor bad, just a matter of taste) which is why I'll not be returning. It sounds to me like you'd be a really good candidate to enjoy this game, and since there's a free trial I'd recommend you give it a go. (hows that for advice from a forum troll?)
Nothing troll-like in that post at all. Well stated opinions.
We're not "bashing" open... We're treating him with the incredulity he's earned from his long easily traceable history of bashing LoTRO and Turbine.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Originally posted by Tatum I had a similar experience. Started playing during the pre-order portion of open beta and stuck around for a few months. I had several different characters with the highest level one some where in the 40's. I honestly think that I got an accurate feel for the game. It really comes down to what type of MMO some one is looking for. If they like linear, theme park style MMOs, then theyll probably like LOTRO (unless the clunky combat turns them off). If they dont like linear MMOs, then they definately wont stay interested for very long. As for role playing, Id say the good qualities of LOTRO are: nice area design, great sound track, Middle Earth lore, nice graphics... Bad qualities for role play would be: linear game play with a narrow focus, static world, and extreme lack of character customization.
I don't know if I agree with the "linear game play with a narrow focus" part as a rule.
I think the experience of linear or otherwise boils down to how one approaches the game.
If you follow the quest lines, one after another like a bread-crumb trail, then yeah.. I can see it becoming a bit linear feeling.
But for me... I don't get that feeling at all. I'm all over the place. I'm actually *behind* on my epic book quests.. The one I'm up to right now, in fact, has been grey for 2 levels. I've been occupied with other things I'm doing and haven't really been paying attention to that 'til earlier when I decided to skim through my quest log and see what "dead weight" (aka grey quests) I could get rid of.
So.. I think the experience of linear or otherwise is really a product of how you approach the game, not that it's "forced" by the design itself.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I have been away from the MMORPG genre for a year, and since my return, it seems that it has not progressed in the way I had thought. I have been into role-playing games of all types since way back when I was a kid, and when I first played a MMO, I thought I had stumbled upon the answer to my gaming prayers. The game was EQ2, and at first I thought that I would have a gaming experience akin to the old days of my AD&D past. However, I soon discovered that there was very little immersion in the story, and instead of role-play, people tended to talk in jargon, more interested in stats and gear. Thinking that this was maybe just that particular game, I tried others, including WoW, CoH, FFXI, L2, to name but a few. It was incredibly frustrating, as instead of feeling immersed in those worlds, I just got the impression that my goal was to level, get better gear, etc. Where was the sense of story that would draw me into the game? Single player rpg's such as Baldur's Gate 2 managed it, so why couldn't a dev produce a persistent world that had the same sense of story and drama as that? Now, I have heard quite a few things in regards to Lord of the Rings, and it sounds promising. Immersive quests, that are not the generic 'find this, kill that' variety, but actual story-arcs, which can be played with your friends, and give the same feeling of verismilitude that single player rpg's create. Is this just hype? I would be interested in knowing your experiences of this game before I go out and buy it. Both good and bad. Also, as I have given an example of the type of gaming experience I enjoy, do you think that I will finally find it with LotR? (And can you tell me how the quests work, do they have cut-scenes, etc?) Like I said, I welcome anyone's opinion, so that I can make a valued judgement about buying this game. Also is it worth dropping a sub to one of the games I listed above, in favour of this one?
Hallo there.
Well, some others have done a good job of describing the game overall.. and some not so good.
In all, there are things you'll find in LoTRO that you'll find in any MMO (for better or worse - depends on your preferences).. such as quests that require killing or collecting a number of things, etc.
However, the difference, I think, is in how they're delivered. As someone mentioned in another post - either in this thread or another I can't remember atm - the quests are well-written, and don't have you doing absurd things that make you wonder if that's really the best the writers could come up with.
Also, that you can piggy back a few quests as well as deeds that all involve the same mobs, means that you can kill a few birds with one stone if you plan it well.
As for role-playing... You can role-play in any MMO I think. Role-play is player-created content... you bring the identity and personality and actions to your character; the game design can't do that for you, no matter what the setting.
How you do benefit from the game, though, in terms of role-play, however, is that the game world's lore, environments and goings-on can inform your character's interactions. In that way, I think a world with well established lore and history actually can richen the role-play experience... whether you be in Middle Earth or Azeroth or Atys.
It doesn't even have to be in terms of meta-gaming**. There's enough "chatter" happening between NPCs that can be overheard by your character as you go through towns. The storylines for quests are an excellent source of material to role play from. Common knowledge of the world overall as a denizen provides *plenty* to role play with.
So.. if you're concerned about "too much established lore" choking the role play experience... to me... I wouldn't worry about it at all.
** For those who may not be familiar with the term, meta gaming generally means using player knowledge to inform and influence a character's behavior, even though the character wouldn't possess that knowledge themselves.
It's especially problematic when it results in the player making their character behave in a way inconsistent with how they normally would in a given situation. It's basically cheating.
For example... You role-play your character, Wulfgar The Fearless, as a dauntless, "laugh in the face of danger" warrior who will never back down or avoid any conflict. Ever. Ancient Red Dragon? Bring it on... You get the idea.
During a campaign session, the player (not the character) becomes aware that there's a nasty creature inside a cave they're about to enter that is going to kill Wulfgar if they go in.. no avoiding it.
Not wanting their character to die, instead of role-playing Wulfgar consistently, the player has him instead shy away and try to avoid going in at all. Or, once engaged, tries to avoid getting hit so they don't die, even though Wulfgar would normally be in the front, swinging away with all his worth.
At least that's the definition I've always known.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
WSIMike, that was an excellent post, and the sort of information I was looking for.
When I originally set-up this thread, I wanted the viewpoints and experiences of everyone, whether good or bad, so that I could make an informed judgement regarding buying the game. As someone who has played many MMO's, I have noticed that players of a particular game become so loyal, that they cannot even entertain the idea that another MMO might be good. For example, I used to play both EQ2 and WoW at the same time (well not exactly the same time, but you know what I mean). The EQ2 players mocked WoW, and vice versa. I understand that playing a MMO is a unique gaming experience, and one that takes up a vast amount of time. Therefore, I can understand how these partisan views spring up.
Howvever, on this thread, I've noticed that anyone who spoke badly of LotR was shot down in flames. When I was actually looking for everyone to look at the game from an objective stand-point. In saying, it seems that some of the people who detracted the game had another agenda, and therefore, I can understand if some people got angry about those people's so-called, neutral views.
As for trying the free trial? I could not get it to work. I signed up to Codemasters, and activated a 7 day pass, however it did not get me into the game, and the key they gave did not work when trying to sign-up a Turbine account.
As things stand, from what I have read here, and elsewhere, Lord of the Rings Online looks as though it could be the closest game out there to my perfect ideal of a MMORPG. As a seven year old kid, the first 'proper' book I ever read was The Hobbit, and my love for Tolkien grew from there. To this day, Lord of the Rings is probably still my favourite book, and the only fantasy author who has ever been worthy to stand in his presence (in my opinion) is George RR Martin.
However, even without my love of Tolkien, this game sounds as though I would enjoy it. It sounds like the first MMO to truly embrace the atmosphere which a great, single-player RPG can. The only thing that still makes me hesitate is the fact that it is made by Turbine.
A while back, I was ecstatic to hear that there was finally going to be a Dungeons and Dragons Online game. If ever there was a system best suited for a MMORPG it was that. Then I played it...
Granted, I only played for the ten day trial, but I was severely disappointed. They had the chance to make the most imaginative, enjoyable, immersive MMO, and in my opinion they ruined it.
Anyway, back on subject. Your experiences, good or bad with this game (and please, speak from a neutral stance, no outside agenda).
Oh, and does the game have cut-scene's? And is it true that you can actually play instruments? I love those kind of touches. To me, an MMORPG should be more than just combat.
I like to be able to play "devils advocate" and make sure the opposing viewpoint is here as well. Just like I have with Vanguard, Tabula Rasa, and even EQ2. I would hardly call what you've a history of doing with LoTRO and Turbine as "playing Devil's Advocate". You have described yourself as a LoTRO and/or Turbine "hater" in the past. However you try to paint yourself now as "more objective" doesn't change that.
Then I guess you do not understand the meaning of "Devils Advocate"
Def: One who argues against a cause or position, not as a committed opponent but simply for the sake of argument or to determine the validity of the cause or position.
"The phrase "let me play devil's advocate" or equivalent is used in group discussions to counter groupthink;"
Which is what we have in the LOTRO forums. A specific group of LOTRO "fans" always play the game up as the best thing since sliced bread...and it is not in my opinion..
As well, playing devils advocate does not need to be objective. I never once said I was being "objective"...just like the LOTRO fanbase is not being "objective" by saying everything is hunky dory in Middle Earth Online, they are not willing to lay out the negatives...
Some one coming in and doing this helps give a prospective player an overall perspective...so THEY can be "objective"...they will have "both sides" of the argument
But, instead of arguing my points I have made, it is much easier for this fanbase to slam my posts and counter by giving attitude. How does this look to a prospective player about the community of LOTRO?
Argue my points logically but, maybe try to be civil about it. Yes, I may not like LOTRO overall, but I also know the things they did right...for example, I hate my US president, but I can also point out things he did right...well, what few they are..
I am sure this post will lead to "fanboi" slamming as well, but it is true.
As to playtime, I have retested each book update to check if the issues I see in game have been resolved. They have not, so I can continue to state those issues anytime I please as long as I know they still exist. Turbine has not made much progress in UI, animations, stuttering or quests changes...so, I do not see why I am not able to continue to state these issues here.
I came here to answer the OP's post...pure and simple. I feel LOTRO is not truly immersive as a RP'er's game. Now, if you wish to argue that point, please do...but, you may keep your opinions of my posting habits to yourself...as nothing derails a thread more than when the "fans" have to argue why I come here..
WSIMike, that was an excellent post, and the sort of information I was looking for. When I originally set-up this thread, I wanted the viewpoints and experiences of everyone, whether good or bad, so that I could make an informed judgement regarding buying the game. As someone who has played many MMO's, I have noticed that players of a particular game become so loyal, that they cannot even entertain the idea that another MMO might be good. For example, I used to play both EQ2 and WoW at the same time (well not exactly the same time, but you know what I mean). The EQ2 players mocked WoW, and vice versa. I understand that playing a MMO is a unique gaming experience, and one that takes up a vast amount of time. Therefore, I can understand how these partisan views spring up. Howvever, on this thread, I've noticed that anyone who spoke badly of LotR was shot down in flames. When I was actually looking for everyone to look at the game from an objective stand-point. In saying, it seems that some of the people who detracted the game had another agenda, and therefore, I can understand if some people got angry about those people's so-called, neutral views. As for trying the free trial? I could not get it to work. I signed up to Codemasters, and activated a 7 day pass, however it did not get me into the game, and the key they gave did not work when trying to sign-up a Turbine account. As things stand, from what I have read here, and elsewhere, Lord of the Rings Online looks as though it could be the closest game out there to my perfect ideal of a MMORPG. As a seven year old kid, the first 'proper' book I ever read was The Hobbit, and my love for Tolkien grew from there. To this day, Lord of the Rings is probably still my favourite book, and the only fantasy author who has ever been worthy to stand in his presence (in my opinion) is George RR Martin. However, even without my love of Tolkien, this game sounds as though I would enjoy it. It sounds like the first MMO to truly embrace the atmosphere which a great, single-player RPG can. The only thing that still makes me hesitate is the fact that it is made by Turbine. A while back, I was ecstatic to hear that there was finally going to be a Dungeons and Dragons Online game. If ever there was a system best suited for a MMORPG it was that. Then I played it... Granted, I only played for the ten day trial, but I was severely disappointed. They had the chance to make the most imaginative, enjoyable, immersive MMO, and in my opinion they ruined it. Anyway, back on subject. Your experiences, good or bad with this game (and please, speak from a neutral stance, no outside agenda). Oh, and does the game have cut-scene's? And is it true that you can actually play instruments? I love those kind of touches. To me, an MMORPG should be more than just combat.
While I agree with you to a certain extent that it's hard for one to be objective if they are bias towards something they care about. You need to know that for the most part the people who play LoTRO (in my opinion) are one of the more mature (in terms of character, not necessarily age) communities in MMO's out there. And with that being said, I truly do believe that most here will give you an honest answer regarding the game. It's just that we or anybody who cares about something tend to get a little upset when people come here with an agenda to bash the game or give statements like "it SUX", "it's a piece of shit", "boring" etc., etc. without giving facts or reasons why.
As for your apprehension regarding Turbine, I would say you can put those to rest. Turbine has done an amazing job with LoTRO. For me it's the little things I find to be well done. Their attention to detail is simply great. One example would be when you finish a quest the NPC remembers you and as you run pass him/her the tell you how grateful they are that you helped. Or in the town of Bree there is a tree near an NPC who is practicing archery with arrows sticking out of it. Most people run right past it without ever noticing it, but it's there. And many, many others. So don't worry about Turbine, as I said before they are doing a great job on this game.
So give LoTRO a try I don't think you will be disappointed. But remember it's what you get out of it that's important. Good Luck.
I actually welcome OpenEdges perceptions of the game. Having people willing to speak openly about what they like and dislike is helpful because it just shows a game can always improve. We need supporters of all kinds. Negative and positive. Hes usually very constructive in the manner which he posts. Anyways gota go to work. Keep up the good work Open and I do enjoy this game so not all fanbois dislike you hehe.
I don't know if I agree with the "linear game play with a narrow focus" part as a rule. I think the experience of linear or otherwise boils down to how one approaches the game. If you follow the quest lines, one after another like a bread-crumb trail, then yeah.. I can see it becoming a bit linear feeling. But for me... I don't get that feeling at all. I'm all over the place. I'm actually *behind* on my epic book quests.. The one I'm up to right now, in fact, has been grey for 2 levels. I've been occupied with other things I'm doing and haven't really been paying attention to that 'til earlier when I decided to skim through my quest log and see what "dead weight" (aka grey quests) I could get rid of. So.. I think the experience of linear or otherwise is really a product of how you approach the game, not that it's "forced" by the design itself.
The design of the game is linear though. You level, from 1-50, by questing through a progression of zones that are designed for a specific level ranges. And, theres only one way to progress through the game...combat. Like other MMOs, the stream of content and world design are pushing you in one specific direction, through the zones in order, from level 1-50. Its not as linear as some single player RPGs, but it is a linear MMO.
I actually welcome OpenEdges perceptions of the game. Having people willing to speak openly about what they like and dislike is helpful because it just shows a game can always improve. We need supporters of all kinds. Negative and positive. Hes usually very constructive in the manner which he posts. Anyways gota go to work. Keep up the good work Open and I do enjoy this game so not all fanbois dislike you hehe.
Problem is, he has zero credibility, although he acts like he had.
- hasn't played the game for many months (outside the free trials)
- self-admittedly avid hater of the game (I'm sure someone will post the link
- poses anything he dislikes in the game as "general fault", instead of his subjective dislike of it - examples from the last 2 days are "Big Mac", "chicken shit", lollipop etc.) - the list goes on. Those who had been following these boards for the last year, know this. Less feeding is better...
PS: He's already successful now, as there are people actually responding to him/about his posts. Attention taken, ego fed turbulence caused.
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Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
WSIMike, that was an excellent post, and the sort of information I was looking for. When I originally set-up this thread, I wanted the viewpoints and experiences of everyone, whether good or bad, so that I could make an informed judgement regarding buying the game. As someone who has played many MMO's, I have noticed that players of a particular game become so loyal, that they cannot even entertain the idea that another MMO might be good. For example, I used to play both EQ2 and WoW at the same time (well not exactly the same time, but you know what I mean). The EQ2 players mocked WoW, and vice versa. I understand that playing a MMO is a unique gaming experience, and one that takes up a vast amount of time. Therefore, I can understand how these partisan views spring up. Howvever, on this thread, I've noticed that anyone who spoke badly of LotR was shot down in flames. When I was actually looking for everyone to look at the game from an objective stand-point. In saying, it seems that some of the people who detracted the game had another agenda, and therefore, I can understand if some people got angry about those people's so-called, neutral views. As for trying the free trial? I could not get it to work. I signed up to Codemasters, and activated a 7 day pass, however it did not get me into the game, and the key they gave did not work when trying to sign-up a Turbine account. As things stand, from what I have read here, and elsewhere, Lord of the Rings Online looks as though it could be the closest game out there to my perfect ideal of a MMORPG. As a seven year old kid, the first 'proper' book I ever read was The Hobbit, and my love for Tolkien grew from there. To this day, Lord of the Rings is probably still my favourite book, and the only fantasy author who has ever been worthy to stand in his presence (in my opinion) is George RR Martin. However, even without my love of Tolkien, this game sounds as though I would enjoy it. It sounds like the first MMO to truly embrace the atmosphere which a great, single-player RPG can. The only thing that still makes me hesitate is the fact that it is made by Turbine. A while back, I was ecstatic to hear that there was finally going to be a Dungeons and Dragons Online game. If ever there was a system best suited for a MMORPG it was that. Then I played it... Granted, I only played for the ten day trial, but I was severely disappointed. They had the chance to make the most imaginative, enjoyable, immersive MMO, and in my opinion they ruined it. Anyway, back on subject. Your experiences, good or bad with this game (and please, speak from a neutral stance, no outside agenda). Oh, and does the game have cut-scene's? And is it true that you can actually play instruments? I love those kind of touches. To me, an MMORPG should be more than just combat.
While I agree with you to a certain extent that it's hard for one to be objective if they are bias towards something they care about. You need to know that for the most part the people who play LoTRO (in my opinion) are one of the more mature (in terms of character, not necessarily age) communities in MMO's out there. And with that being said, I truly do believe that most here will give you an honest answer regarding the game. It's just that we or anybody who cares about something tend to get a little upset when people come here with an agenda to bash the game or give statements like "it SUX", "it's a piece of shit", "boring" etc., etc. without giving facts or reasons why.
As for your apprehension regarding Turbine, I would say you can put those to rest. Turbine has done an amazing job with LoTRO. For me it's the little things I find to be well done. Their attention to detail is simply great. One example would be when you finish a quest the NPC remembers you and as you run pass him/her the tell you how grateful they are that you helped. Or in the town of Bree there is a tree near an NPC who is practicing archery with arrows sticking out of it. Most people run right past it without ever noticing it, but it's there. And many, many others. So don't worry about Turbine, as I said before they are doing a great job on this game.
So give LoTRO a try I don't think you will be disappointed. But remember it's what you get out of it that's important. Good Luck.
Aye Ebonhawk, those kind of touches are just the kind of things I love in games. Still curious to hear about whether there are cut-scenes, and if you can actually play musical instruments (not just as an e-mote, but actually play them)?
Aye Ebonhawk, those kind of touches are just the kind of things I love in games. Still curious to hear about whether there are cut-scenes, and if you can actually play musical instruments (not just as an e-mote, but actually play them)?
Yes, there are cutscenes (in the Epic storyline), and you can actually play music with your keyboard, or with scripts. ANY music
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Aye Ebonhawk, those kind of touches are just the kind of things I love in games. Still curious to hear about whether there are cut-scenes, and if you can actually play musical instruments (not just as an e-mote, but actually play them)?
Yes, there are cutscenes (in the Epic storyline), and you can actually play music with your keyboard, or with scripts. ANY music
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LOL, glad someone got around to answering the OP's questions that were hidden at the end of his 2nd post. I thought the music feature was great. I loved hearing people playing songs and would stop whatever I was doing to listen, even if they were playing "Dust in the Wind" (Kansas) or some other contemporary tune.
My guild at the time had two musicians in it, and we held a concert at one of the local stages in the Shire where people from all around came to play for us and we cheered for our favorites. Was an amazing sight to see about 50 people you never met before all gathered together and listening to the music. I hope that sort of thing continues to this day, because I think its great.
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It kept me and a couple others I know occupied for a few months, but progression was more linear than any other MMO I've played, and at the time of our cancellation, the game was still pretty buggy and they were adding things like chicken play rather than devoting manpower to fixing major issues.
It gave a GREAT first impression, especially for LOTR fans, but a few weeks later, after the initial wonder had died down a bit, it became pretty obvious that the game wouldn't have the longevity at the time to keep making us want to log in. Also, there really was no worthwhile high level content then, so as we were approaching level 40, the question "why bother?" kept popping up.
And since we moved on, none of us have even thought about going back to see how things have progressed. A fully fleshed out Middle-Earth with exciting classes and a variety of non-combat content would be a truly wonderful thing, but I'm not gonna keep my eyes on LOTRO until 2013 to see that achievement realized.
It kept me and a couple others I know occupied for a few months, but progression was more linear than any other MMO I've played, and at the time of our cancellation, the game was still pretty buggy and they were adding things like chicken play rather than devoting manpower to fixing major issues. It gave a GREAT first impression, especially for LOTR fans, but a few weeks later, after the initial wonder had died down a bit, it became pretty obvious that the game wouldn't have the longevity at the time to keep making us want to log in. Also, there really was no worthwhile high level content then, so as we were approaching level 40, the question "why bother?" kept popping up. And since we moved on, none of us have even thought about going back to see how things have progressed. A fully fleshed out Middle-Earth with exciting classes and a variety of non-combat content would be a truly wonderful thing, but I'm not gonna keep my eyes on LOTRO until 2013 to see that achievement realized.
Name any bugs.... the only one I remember was the AH search issue, which has been fixed recently.
No other bugs I came across since launch...
BTW, if ever the "why bother" question even comes up in any game, then that's not the game for you, I agree. Games should be played for fun, not for the hope of some kind of "super achievement at the end"
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
You may have a point Donnie but I still think his posts are good. Just my personal taste. Whether it feeds his ego or not isnt my concern. Frankly I probably have just as many opinions as he does. Ive certainly played longer then he has. I just like how he writes his opinions because they give me ideas.
ANYWAYS!!! Back to the topic- I totally agree with Donnie, if you cant find a reason to go on, you probably shouldnt be playing the game. Personally I almost ran into that problem though when I was playing the wrong classes. The second I played a Burglar I found meaning in the world.
You may have a point Donnie but I still think his posts are good. Just my personal taste. Whether it feeds his ego or not isnt my concern. Frankly I probably have just as many opinions as he does. Ive certainly played longer then he has. I just like how he writes his opinions because they give me ideas. ANYWAYS!!! Back to the topic- I totally agree with Donnie, if you cant find a reason to go on, you probably shouldnt be playing the game. Personally I almost ran into that problem though when I was playing the wrong classes. The second I played a Burglar I found meaning in the world.
Still wondering, what the hell the guy means by "many bugs", or especially by "major issues".
I did not see any bugs, not even going as far as "major issues" even haters agree that LOTRO had probably the smoothest, most bug-free launch of all MMO's ever.
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Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
That I'll agree with. The release was very smooth. Personally I've seen a few bugs. Primarily doing with the combat system. As a burglar I have about 100 different combination of attacks and every now and then a few of the attacks simply dont work in conjuction with other skills. When you push them they fire off and there is no effect whatsoever. Normal damage just dissapears. Then theres the ore collection bugs I found which make them regen much faster then there supposed to. AI flaws out the wazzo.
I really could'nt count all of the bugs I deal with. With that said I dont think there even noticeable because the bugs are so damned minor. As for Opes opinions. I focus on balance issues and style issues he brings up. The rest I ignore. Im really good at finding the little peices of gold in the generally 99 percent of shit people spew out. I guess that makes it so I can love everyone
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Well, to be honest, I don't see why someone who only has 7 levels has any less of a voice than a lvl 30 or a lvl 50.
True, they can't speak about the entire gameplay experience but they can give their opinions based upon those 7 levels.
One thing that LOTRO does not do well is in some cases to create a compelling lower lvl experience. I have to say that it is not clear to the new player that the starter tutorial instance (not the very first story/background instance) isn't the actual game world.
To that end it can seem dry and uninspiring.
It's not the levels... as much as the timeframe.For a MMO... more-so than any other game... once you've been away from the game for 6 months or more... the gaming experience is just not the same for new players entering.
Too much has changed, dynamics of the economy, the quests, the community, the NPCs, the skills, how to play the character, etc. All these things have changed in LoTRo in the last 6 months.
Now, when you couple that with the dynamics of Role-playing and the community that a play-style like that demands. Yeah, I think it's a safe call to say that someone who hasn't played (for more than a day or so) in more than 6 months is unqualified to give a comment on the state of the Role-playing community or what it entails... not just for LoTRo... but for any game.
Now, if they want to qualify their statement with when they last played ACTIVELY (again, not just a day trial) then readers could decide for themselves if they think that out-dated experience is still valid or not.
I haven't played Vanguard for about a year now; it would be really silly of me to go to the Vanguard boards and tell new and prospective players of my play experiences... because they wouldn't be valid today.
I haven't played EQ2 in about 1.5 years now; it would be really silly of me to go to the EQ2 boards and tell new and prospective players of my play experiences... because they wouldn't be valid today.
Yeah, I suppose I could reactivate my accounts on those two games and pop into the games... just to say that I've played them recently... but who would do something that desperate? Unless, I'm seriously going to consider going back to the game and play it for an entire month what would be the point? But, then why would I want to go back why I'm enjoying my time on LoTRo?
I've played for a couple of months (lvl 31) and think it is very immersive. The epic quests are great and have a great story and the lore is phenomonal. They put tons of little things in the book to actually make it feel like you are their helping the fight against Sauron. I love htis game and will be here for a long time.
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I hear the movie allows you more freedom than the game. The game is very linear and forced.
here is what you can do, get the trial and try it out for yourself.
That is completely true for those that only watched the movie and never read the book. Try reading the book sometime and playing the game while you do, it is truly a new gaming experience for me.
I had a similar experience. Started playing during the pre-order portion of open beta and stuck around for a few months. I had several different characters with the highest level one some where in the 40's. I honestly think that I got an accurate feel for the game.
It really comes down to what type of MMO some one is looking for. If they like linear, theme park style MMOs, then theyll probably like LOTRO (unless the clunky combat turns them off). If they dont like linear MMOs, then they definately wont stay interested for very long.
As for role playing, Id say the good qualities of LOTRO are: nice area design, great sound track, Middle Earth lore, nice graphics...
Bad qualities for role play would be: linear game play with a narrow focus, static world, and extreme lack of character customization.
Yeah, I've noticed that as well. It definitely seems a bit odd why someone has made their point about not liking a particular game for whatever reason continually and I mean continually coming back to beat the proverbial dead horse over and over again.
I like to be able to play "devils advocate" and make sure the opposing viewpoint is here as well. Just like I have with Vanguard, Tabula Rasa, and even EQ2.
I would hardly call what you've a history of doing with LoTRO and Turbine as "playing Devil's Advocate". You have described yourself as a LoTRO and/or Turbine "hater" in the past. However you try to paint yourself now as "more objective" doesn't change that.
We all know your routine.
So please, once again, stop with the intellectual dishonsty and the duplicity. There are too many of us around here who know your history all too well. We are quite ready to call you out on it when ever you try to hide behind this veil of "objectivity" or what you now call "playing Devil's Advocate".
The quote you had for a while was *hardly* being objective or playing "Devil's Advocate". I notice you've finally changed that, now that several people have called you out on it. Why change it? If that's truly how you feel.. oh oh... Right.. Kinda hard to feign "objectivity" when evidence to the contrary is right under people's nose. Of course.
Your bashing LoTRO and Turbine in the EQ2 forums is not "Playing Devil's Advocate" - the particular statement I'm referring to was completely unsolicited there. LoTRO wasn't even *mentioned* by anyone else in the thread.. *you* invoked it completely out of the blue. It wasn't relevant to the topic.. it was just another opportunity you saw to bash the game and/or company.
Your specifically bashing LoTRO in one of the news item threads wasn't you playing "Devil's Advocate".
Those and all other examples I could bring up are you doing what you've always done - bashing LoTRO and/or Turbine at any opportunity because of some grudge or whatever you have that you refuse to let go.
If you're going to continue to come here, at least do us the favor of realizing you're not among complete idiots who don't see what you do for what it is. Drop the act.
The difference is many others also come into the threads for the above mentioned games and give their opposing viewpoints...and each person can handle it. It seems the LOTRO "fans" cannot, and will jump on any opposing point and attack the poster...instead of the points that were made...big difference..
Ummm.. Wrong. More intellectual dishonesty from you.
We do not attack anyone who posts a negative opinion, particularly when their opinions are informed by recent experience and/or at least not colored by a well demonstrated bias against the game and/or developer.
It also helps that most people will state their case, and then *move on*. They don't linger here indefinitely. Something you can't seem to bring yourself to do, even after months.
We jump on anyone who - like yourself - demonstrates a history of nothing more than a need to bash the game and/or the company because of their own personal grudge or whatever it is that compels you to keep coming back here, even though you claim to be completely happy in EQ2.
So, until the threads for LOTRO look like the above games threads, I have a right to post here, just as any other "fan" or "opposer" does.
In other words.. it's like I've said... You can't let any thread that's "too positive" for your liking go untouched. It bothers you that there are people who enjoy LoTRO and have little or nothing negative to say about it, and you can't just accept that and move on. Just gotta keep coming back here injecting your negativity - not to bring an objective point-of-view; not to play "Devil's Advocate".
You need to "temper" the posts for a game you haven't played in months, have openly expressed a dislike for, because people are being "too positive" about it for you. Most all people who decided the game wasn't for them will never even read those posts because they've moved on. Yet you're still here, months later, still analyzing posts for "objectionable tone". Ergo, you're obsessed.
Let it be understood.. I don't care that you don't like LoTRO or Turbine. I don't even mind so much that you're obssessed. What bothers me is the dishonesty in your actions; how you think you're pulling wool over people's eyes when you come in here and put on this act, like you're interested in discussing the game civilly, even while you're blissfully bashing the game elsewhere. It's a lie, and we all know it.
So, as long as you persist to come in here acting like you're merely trying to innocently and objectively "provide the other perspective", myself and perhaps others will be swift to call you out on it... To put your words into proper perspective. Because your opinions are anything but objective and, with how long it's been since you actually *played* the game, they're hardly what I'd call "relevant" anymore.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Nothing troll-like in that post at all. Well stated opinions.
We're not "bashing" open... We're treating him with the incredulity he's earned from his long easily traceable history of bashing LoTRO and Turbine.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I don't know if I agree with the "linear game play with a narrow focus" part as a rule.
I think the experience of linear or otherwise boils down to how one approaches the game.
If you follow the quest lines, one after another like a bread-crumb trail, then yeah.. I can see it becoming a bit linear feeling.
But for me... I don't get that feeling at all. I'm all over the place. I'm actually *behind* on my epic book quests.. The one I'm up to right now, in fact, has been grey for 2 levels. I've been occupied with other things I'm doing and haven't really been paying attention to that 'til earlier when I decided to skim through my quest log and see what "dead weight" (aka grey quests) I could get rid of.
So.. I think the experience of linear or otherwise is really a product of how you approach the game, not that it's "forced" by the design itself.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Hallo there.
Well, some others have done a good job of describing the game overall.. and some not so good.
In all, there are things you'll find in LoTRO that you'll find in any MMO (for better or worse - depends on your preferences).. such as quests that require killing or collecting a number of things, etc.
However, the difference, I think, is in how they're delivered. As someone mentioned in another post - either in this thread or another I can't remember atm - the quests are well-written, and don't have you doing absurd things that make you wonder if that's really the best the writers could come up with.
Also, that you can piggy back a few quests as well as deeds that all involve the same mobs, means that you can kill a few birds with one stone if you plan it well.
As for role-playing... You can role-play in any MMO I think. Role-play is player-created content... you bring the identity and personality and actions to your character; the game design can't do that for you, no matter what the setting.
How you do benefit from the game, though, in terms of role-play, however, is that the game world's lore, environments and goings-on can inform your character's interactions. In that way, I think a world with well established lore and history actually can richen the role-play experience... whether you be in Middle Earth or Azeroth or Atys.
It doesn't even have to be in terms of meta-gaming**. There's enough "chatter" happening between NPCs that can be overheard by your character as you go through towns. The storylines for quests are an excellent source of material to role play from. Common knowledge of the world overall as a denizen provides *plenty* to role play with.
So.. if you're concerned about "too much established lore" choking the role play experience... to me... I wouldn't worry about it at all.
** For those who may not be familiar with the term, meta gaming generally means using player knowledge to inform and influence a character's behavior, even though the character wouldn't possess that knowledge themselves.
It's especially problematic when it results in the player making their character behave in a way inconsistent with how they normally would in a given situation. It's basically cheating.
For example... You role-play your character, Wulfgar The Fearless, as a dauntless, "laugh in the face of danger" warrior who will never back down or avoid any conflict. Ever. Ancient Red Dragon? Bring it on... You get the idea.
During a campaign session, the player (not the character) becomes aware that there's a nasty creature inside a cave they're about to enter that is going to kill Wulfgar if they go in.. no avoiding it.
Not wanting their character to die, instead of role-playing Wulfgar consistently, the player has him instead shy away and try to avoid going in at all. Or, once engaged, tries to avoid getting hit so they don't die, even though Wulfgar would normally be in the front, swinging away with all his worth.
At least that's the definition I've always known.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
WSIMike, that was an excellent post, and the sort of information I was looking for.
When I originally set-up this thread, I wanted the viewpoints and experiences of everyone, whether good or bad, so that I could make an informed judgement regarding buying the game. As someone who has played many MMO's, I have noticed that players of a particular game become so loyal, that they cannot even entertain the idea that another MMO might be good. For example, I used to play both EQ2 and WoW at the same time (well not exactly the same time, but you know what I mean). The EQ2 players mocked WoW, and vice versa. I understand that playing a MMO is a unique gaming experience, and one that takes up a vast amount of time. Therefore, I can understand how these partisan views spring up.
Howvever, on this thread, I've noticed that anyone who spoke badly of LotR was shot down in flames. When I was actually looking for everyone to look at the game from an objective stand-point. In saying, it seems that some of the people who detracted the game had another agenda, and therefore, I can understand if some people got angry about those people's so-called, neutral views.
As for trying the free trial? I could not get it to work. I signed up to Codemasters, and activated a 7 day pass, however it did not get me into the game, and the key they gave did not work when trying to sign-up a Turbine account.
As things stand, from what I have read here, and elsewhere, Lord of the Rings Online looks as though it could be the closest game out there to my perfect ideal of a MMORPG. As a seven year old kid, the first 'proper' book I ever read was The Hobbit, and my love for Tolkien grew from there. To this day, Lord of the Rings is probably still my favourite book, and the only fantasy author who has ever been worthy to stand in his presence (in my opinion) is George RR Martin.
However, even without my love of Tolkien, this game sounds as though I would enjoy it. It sounds like the first MMO to truly embrace the atmosphere which a great, single-player RPG can. The only thing that still makes me hesitate is the fact that it is made by Turbine.
A while back, I was ecstatic to hear that there was finally going to be a Dungeons and Dragons Online game. If ever there was a system best suited for a MMORPG it was that. Then I played it...
Granted, I only played for the ten day trial, but I was severely disappointed. They had the chance to make the most imaginative, enjoyable, immersive MMO, and in my opinion they ruined it.
Anyway, back on subject. Your experiences, good or bad with this game (and please, speak from a neutral stance, no outside agenda).
Oh, and does the game have cut-scene's? And is it true that you can actually play instruments? I love those kind of touches. To me, an MMORPG should be more than just combat.
If you signed up with Codemasters, you cannot use that with Turbine.
CM runs the EU version of LOTRO, Turbine the NAM version....
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Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Def: One who argues against a cause or position, not as a committed opponent but simply for the sake of argument or to determine the validity of the cause or position.
"The phrase "let me play devil's advocate" or equivalent is used in group discussions to counter groupthink;"
Which is what we have in the LOTRO forums. A specific group of LOTRO "fans" always play the game up as the best thing since sliced bread...and it is not in my opinion..
As well, playing devils advocate does not need to be objective. I never once said I was being "objective"...just like the LOTRO fanbase is not being "objective" by saying everything is hunky dory in Middle Earth Online, they are not willing to lay out the negatives...
Some one coming in and doing this helps give a prospective player an overall perspective...so THEY can be "objective"...they will have "both sides" of the argument
But, instead of arguing my points I have made, it is much easier for this fanbase to slam my posts and counter by giving attitude. How does this look to a prospective player about the community of LOTRO?
Argue my points logically but, maybe try to be civil about it. Yes, I may not like LOTRO overall, but I also know the things they did right...for example, I hate my US president, but I can also point out things he did right...well, what few they are..
I am sure this post will lead to "fanboi" slamming as well, but it is true.
As to playtime, I have retested each book update to check if the issues I see in game have been resolved. They have not, so I can continue to state those issues anytime I please as long as I know they still exist. Turbine has not made much progress in UI, animations, stuttering or quests changes...so, I do not see why I am not able to continue to state these issues here.
I came here to answer the OP's post...pure and simple. I feel LOTRO is not truly immersive as a RP'er's game. Now, if you wish to argue that point, please do...but, you may keep your opinions of my posting habits to yourself...as nothing derails a thread more than when the "fans" have to argue why I come here..
Give it a rest and stop hijacking the thread
While I agree with you to a certain extent that it's hard for one to be objective if they are bias towards something they care about. You need to know that for the most part the people who play LoTRO (in my opinion) are one of the more mature (in terms of character, not necessarily age) communities in MMO's out there. And with that being said, I truly do believe that most here will give you an honest answer regarding the game. It's just that we or anybody who cares about something tend to get a little upset when people come here with an agenda to bash the game or give statements like "it SUX", "it's a piece of shit", "boring" etc., etc. without giving facts or reasons why.
As for your apprehension regarding Turbine, I would say you can put those to rest. Turbine has done an amazing job with LoTRO. For me it's the little things I find to be well done. Their attention to detail is simply great. One example would be when you finish a quest the NPC remembers you and as you run pass him/her the tell you how grateful they are that you helped. Or in the town of Bree there is a tree near an NPC who is practicing archery with arrows sticking out of it. Most people run right past it without ever noticing it, but it's there. And many, many others. So don't worry about Turbine, as I said before they are doing a great job on this game.
So give LoTRO a try I don't think you will be disappointed. But remember it's what you get out of it that's important. Good Luck.
I actually welcome OpenEdges perceptions of the game. Having people willing to speak openly about what they like and dislike is helpful because it just shows a game can always improve. We need supporters of all kinds. Negative and positive. Hes usually very constructive in the manner which he posts. Anyways gota go to work. Keep up the good work Open and I do enjoy this game so not all fanbois dislike you hehe.
The design of the game is linear though. You level, from 1-50, by questing through a progression of zones that are designed for a specific level ranges. And, theres only one way to progress through the game...combat. Like other MMOs, the stream of content and world design are pushing you in one specific direction, through the zones in order, from level 1-50. Its not as linear as some single player RPGs, but it is a linear MMO.
Problem is, he has zero credibility, although he acts like he had.
- hasn't played the game for many months (outside the free trials)
- self-admittedly avid hater of the game (I'm sure someone will post the link
- poses anything he dislikes in the game as "general fault", instead of his subjective dislike of it - examples from the last 2 days are "Big Mac", "chicken shit", lollipop etc.) - the list goes on. Those who had been following these boards for the last year, know this. Less feeding is better...
PS: He's already successful now, as there are people actually responding to him/about his posts. Attention taken, ego fed
turbulence caused.
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Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
While I agree with you to a certain extent that it's hard for one to be objective if they are bias towards something they care about. You need to know that for the most part the people who play LoTRO (in my opinion) are one of the more mature (in terms of character, not necessarily age) communities in MMO's out there. And with that being said, I truly do believe that most here will give you an honest answer regarding the game. It's just that we or anybody who cares about something tend to get a little upset when people come here with an agenda to bash the game or give statements like "it SUX", "it's a piece of shit", "boring" etc., etc. without giving facts or reasons why.
As for your apprehension regarding Turbine, I would say you can put those to rest. Turbine has done an amazing job with LoTRO. For me it's the little things I find to be well done. Their attention to detail is simply great. One example would be when you finish a quest the NPC remembers you and as you run pass him/her the tell you how grateful they are that you helped. Or in the town of Bree there is a tree near an NPC who is practicing archery with arrows sticking out of it. Most people run right past it without ever noticing it, but it's there. And many, many others. So don't worry about Turbine, as I said before they are doing a great job on this game.
So give LoTRO a try I don't think you will be disappointed. But remember it's what you get out of it that's important. Good Luck.
Aye Ebonhawk, those kind of touches are just the kind of things I love in games. Still curious to hear about whether there are cut-scenes, and if you can actually play musical instruments (not just as an e-mote, but actually play them)?
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Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
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LOL, glad someone got around to answering the OP's questions that were hidden at the end of his 2nd post. I thought the music feature was great. I loved hearing people playing songs and would stop whatever I was doing to listen, even if they were playing "Dust in the Wind" (Kansas) or some other contemporary tune.
My guild at the time had two musicians in it, and we held a concert at one of the local stages in the Shire where people from all around came to play for us and we cheered for our favorites. Was an amazing sight to see about 50 people you never met before all gathered together and listening to the music. I hope that sort of thing continues to this day, because I think its great.
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It kept me and a couple others I know occupied for a few months, but progression was more linear than any other MMO I've played, and at the time of our cancellation, the game was still pretty buggy and they were adding things like chicken play rather than devoting manpower to fixing major issues.
It gave a GREAT first impression, especially for LOTR fans, but a few weeks later, after the initial wonder had died down a bit, it became pretty obvious that the game wouldn't have the longevity at the time to keep making us want to log in. Also, there really was no worthwhile high level content then, so as we were approaching level 40, the question "why bother?" kept popping up.
And since we moved on, none of us have even thought about going back to see how things have progressed. A fully fleshed out Middle-Earth with exciting classes and a variety of non-combat content would be a truly wonderful thing, but I'm not gonna keep my eyes on LOTRO until 2013 to see that achievement realized.
Name any bugs.... the only one I remember was the AH search issue, which has been fixed recently.
No other bugs I came across since launch...
BTW, if ever the "why bother" question even comes up in any game, then that's not the game for you, I agree. Games should be played for fun, not for the hope of some kind of "super achievement at the end"
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Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
You may have a point Donnie but I still think his posts are good. Just my personal taste. Whether it feeds his ego or not isnt my concern.
Frankly I probably have just as many opinions as he does. Ive certainly played longer then he has. I just like how he writes his opinions because they give me ideas.
ANYWAYS!!! Back to the topic- I totally agree with Donnie, if you cant find a reason to go on, you probably shouldnt be playing the game. Personally I almost ran into that problem though when I was playing the wrong classes. The second I played a Burglar I found meaning in the world.
I did not see any bugs, not even going as far as "major issues"
even haters agree that LOTRO had probably the smoothest, most bug-free launch of all MMO's ever.
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Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
That I'll agree with. The release was very smooth. Personally I've seen a few bugs. Primarily doing with the combat system. As a burglar I have about 100 different combination of attacks and every now and then a few of the attacks simply dont work in conjuction with other skills. When you push them they fire off and there is no effect whatsoever. Normal damage just dissapears. Then theres the ore collection bugs I found which make them regen much faster then there supposed to. AI flaws out the wazzo.
I really could'nt count all of the bugs I deal with. With that said I dont think there even noticeable because the bugs are so damned minor. As for Opes opinions. I focus on balance issues and style issues he brings up. The rest I ignore. Im really good at finding the little peices of gold in the generally 99 percent of shit people spew out. I guess that makes it so I can love everyone