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Has WAR already defeated AOC?
ghoul31
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Now that AOC is in open beta, its getting pretty bad reviews. I found this quote from Keen's review pretty interesting
"I’m going to be blunt. Funcom is lucky that WAR was delayed and Mythic should be kicking themselves that their game wasn’t ready in time to go against AoC. If these two games went head to head then AoC would have been obliterated and unless Funcom turns things around before Fall that’s precisely what will happen. Sorry if you disagree, but that is the truth of my opinion."
You can see his whole review here
It seems from that statement that he has played WAR. So has WAR already won this contest?
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Can't really say if they have been beaten yet. At least not until WAR comes out and everyone gets a chance to play it. I would like to think that WAR will be a great hit, but you never know.
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I've seen pretty nasty reviews from BOTH. And also good from BOTH. Since I don't know the sources I choose not to listen to either the bad or the good ones but simply just try and gather info about the games from them.
And all I can say right now is that I would choose WAR over AoC anyday. But if I like AoC more I will play that when it comes. But untill both have been released I don't want to speculate which one is better than another because that is pretty pointless IMO
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I think both will do just fine. WAR I think is going to be another WoW. Easy to play and easy to level with nothing really new except lore (Which I imagine wont last long either... about the same as WoWs). Also considering its EA I can think of the game turning into a UO, maybe SWG.
AoC on the other hand made by Funcom will have more survivability I would think and has more lore to expand on and a bunch of new technologies from what I have seen. I don't want to play a game where a 12 year old can auto-attack me to death because he doesn't go to school and plays WAR all day. AoC fixes that problem for me.
In regards to that article, I think the author has shown his own bias towards WAR by making the statement you have quoted. As a beta tester in both all I can say is what has been said by both camps: Each game appeals and targets a different audience. You should ideally play whatever makes you happy and you have fun in!
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You drew that conclusion from reading one review?
Pls... Im a WAR fan but that is just ridiculos. That is hardly statistically representative for all us gamers that Keen and 5 of his buddies didnt like the game.
Just wanna say on a personal note i have never played AoC. But I hate these "WAR vs AoC" or "WAR vs MMO" threads. Stop comparing. Its not a fight. We should all hope that all new MMOs turn out well so that the market gets some competition.
I think you missed some of the information about WAR here in your post. To be honest with you WAR has to be one of the most casual friendly games I have ever seen that has a RvR focus (according to what has been released). It won't be to everyone's liking, but there are new and innovative aspects in both games (along with new technologies in both).
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Of course WAR has not already defeated AoC, what a ridiculous proposition.
What I would like more than anything else is to see both games do well, and for both games to push boundaries in new directions.
Any real gamer would agree. Anyone championing the success of one game at the expense of the downfall of another clearly has issues.
Just because one person said that WAR was great does not mean that AOC has already been beaten. Just because one person said something doessn't mean it will suit everyone.
We will never really know until both games are released and are on the market.
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I just thought that was a pretty strong statement. He must think WAR is a much , much better game than AOC.
I really hate these threads all they get is the fans from both games all rilled up in a negative way. Nothing of value ever comes from these threads other than fighting, misinformation, and fanboism. The audience that AoC is being made for is a completely different audience than WAR...if Funcom doesn't totally screw the pooch and peeve all of its audence then AoC will carve out a nice niche for itself. The same thing can be said with WAR.
Both games have an incredibly amount of lore to go off of, although WAR's is far more flexible (IMHO). Their survival depends strickly on their ability to keep their audiences happy without destroying the original intention of their game. The bs statement that AoC has more lore to work so its going to survive longer is completely retarded. It could have the most awsome lore in the world that 2 trillion people love and the game could still Trip up and Suck if the dev's screw it over.
In all honesty...I wish these damn threads pitting fans against fans, IPs against IPs would end..they're utterly ridiculous. It is possible for people to like different things, it is possible for people to like more than 1 thing, its possible for people to have more than 1 passion...seriously..when will the hate spin end??
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I don't know how you can say that. They will both have PVE, quests, crafting. But the focus of both games is RVR. Both games will have sieging of keeps and castles and such as their endgame.
NDA has not been lifted...NDA up to lvl 13 has been lifted. Anyone who judges their entire perception of a game based on the first 10 minutes of play is an idiot, plain and simple.
AoC is designed as Guild vs Guild, PvE Raid Progression game, the players determine the factions and who you can trust.
WAR is designed as a Realm vs Realm massive combat without the focus on forced grouping & defined sides so you can trust that you'll have some sort of back up or a portion of the population not out to kill you.
While everyone will pretty much NEED to and have to join groups & guilds in AoC in order to participate in the bigger features like Raids & Sieges & PvP (and even crafting!) you don't have to do any of that in WAR. In WAR you can just walk up group less and participate in any of the features like PQs, Keep Sieges, Open PvP, City Sieging.
They share similiar activities but their over all design for interaction in the game is completely different.
This is why I say people need to look beyond the cover.....looking at things in general terms gets you no where. Its there for you to see they've both been open about who their audiences are but if you judge on the most basic general features...then this is why most of you always end up disappointed.
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I don't know how you can say that. They will both have PVE, quests, crafting. But the focus of both games is RVR. Both games will have sieging of keeps and castles and such as their endgame.
First to answer the OP.....No.
To answer the person I quoted, AoC is not RvR.
it takes a lot longer than 10 minutes to gain 13 levels. Your statement doesn't make much sense
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it takes a lot longer than 10 minutes to gain 13 levels. Your statement doesn't make much sense
Level 13 is a good indication on what the game brings for people. if you play a game to level 13 or so and do not have fun and find it boring then most people will stop playing within those first 1-2 hours of play. I myself had alot of hopes for AOC but after playing the PVP weekend and this open beta with so many bugs for myself I know folks say its not the final version but hell I am not sure now I wanna get the final version and have this same thing happen. Plus I just haven't found it as fun as I thought I would. I want a game that gets me going from the start and I do not wanna stop leveling.
has WAR defeated AOC? No. i can understand that AOC is in open beta, and some ppl dont like that game... so what, who says that those "negative" people isnt the WOW kids playing ? and since WAR isnt in open beta, how can it defeat AOC. what determin what game is the best, its probably best to try out the end-game content in both games, since it will be what you are spending most of your gaming time on, unless you are a powerlvler that wants 1 of each class. Its the endgame content, that will be the most important factor, when you look for the "best" game. (not to say the lvl part is unimportant at all!)
AoC defeated itself by releasing a crapfest to the public and lifting NDA for that crapfest.
They only have themselves to blame for the backlash they are now receiving.
I know 3 people that have cancelled pre-orders for AoC due to this, right or wrong they are not prepared to wait and see.
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Uh no.....only 2 games in history have RvR and thats DAoC and WAR! There is a huge difference between guild vs guild sieges{that you have mixed up in AoC as being RvR} and faction vs faction {server wide War basically}
In AoC its just one group{guild of players} against another group{guild of players}. This is your typical PvP, {hey I can piss further than you} combat...
In WAR its the entire faction of say the Dark Elves vs the High Elves, {Overall the Order vs Destruction.} Every single player on the Dark Elf side and every single player on the High Elf side are in a server wide struggle against each other. Everything you do, PvE, RvR, PQs, Scenarios, Instances, Raids, City Seiges all contributes to your faction to overthrowing the opposing faction you're primarily locked in WAR with!
AoC has none of what RvR is....its your same ole' same ole' who is the best player through and through and your not contributing to anyone but yourself!
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Im not here to bash WAR but if you think War will launch smooth you are kidding yourself. no MMO's launch smooth and I mean no MMO.
1) I have been playing MMORPGs for the better part of this decade and I can say without a doubt AOC is by far one of the best I have seen.
2) What makes you think this people won't play both WAR and AOC. I know I'm buying both and will keep a monthly sub for each as well as SGW when it comes out.
Why do you, the consumer look at this as a contest? Why not play two really great MMORPGs? Why settle for one? Playing only ONE mmo is like sleeping with just one Women...why? PLAY BOTH MAN! It's way more fun.
1) I have been playing MMORPGs for the better part of this decade and I can say without a doubt AOC is by far one of the best I have seen.
2) What makes you think this people won't play both WAR and AOC. I know I'm buying both and will keep a monthly sub for each as well as SGW when it comes out.
Why do you, the consumer look at this as a contest? Why not play two really great MMORPGs? Why settle for one? Playing only ONE mmo is like sleeping with just one Women...why? PLAY BOTH MAN! It's way more fun.
I'm not playing AoC..ever..but ..I have nothing against the game and I'd like to see it do well *shrug* its a different kind of game...variety is a welcomed thing but .. some people just go to far with their fanboism. I"m just waiting for the phasers and the light sabers to come out and the wars to begin....honestly fanboy fights are like the ultimate in stupid geekdom.
I really hate this thread..they should lock it for its sheer stupidity.
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