man fanboys will say anything to defend their game... (first/second MMO syndrome?).
As I previously stated, I have yet to make a decision as to whether or not to purchase AoC. I responded to this thread because I found the title to be misleading. Your subsequent posts make me wonder whether you are being purposefully misleading (or willfully ignorant).
What do you say to:
In that poll, 80% of respondents said that they were happy.
...and
Of those that reported that they were not pleased with the game's current state (n=767), 82% (630 of the 767) *still* report that they are "happy".
while that is true, it is also true that 70% were either not happy, and/or not pleased with the game in its current state.
seeing as i found the poll linked from the official AoC EU forums, and as much as the fanboys would like otherwise, the poll shows quite a high level of dissatisfaction with the game, which correlates with my experience of the game.
i'm not sure what they were thinking, but i bet it went something like this:
AoC developer: "my team needs another 3-6months to add the features we promised and to squash the game-breaking and other high-priority bugs"
AoC manager: "bah, screw the players, 90% of them are idiots and will happily pay us while we add the features we promised on the box and fix the bugs"
looked like 77% said they were happy to me out of 1400+ votes.
That poll was a tad bit screwy. People who answered the were happy yet dissatisfied get lumped in with people who are unhappy with the game. Basically most answers in that poll can be taken both ways (happy/unhappy)
If you want to find out if people are happy with a game, use something like Yes/No/Undecided. Using loaded questions is just a bad form.
(And I am not saying the game is great or horrible, just pointing out the poll was shady)
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
man fanboys will say anything to defend their game... (first/second MMO syndrome?).
As I previously stated, I have yet to make a decision as to whether or not to purchase AoC. I responded to this thread because I found the title to be misleading. Your subsequent posts make me wonder whether you are being purposefully misleading (or willfully ignorant).
What do you say to:
In that poll, 80% of respondents said that they were happy.
...and
Of those that reported that they were not pleased with the game's current state (n=767), 82% (630 of the 767) *still* report that they are "happy".
while that is true, it is also true that 70% were either not happy, and/or not pleased with the game in its current state.
seeing as i found the poll linked from the official AoC EU forums, and as much as the fanboys would like otherwise, the poll shows quite a high level of dissatisfaction with the game, which correlates with my experience of the game.
i'm not sure what they were thinking, but i bet it went something like this:
AoC developer: "my team needs another 3-6months to add the features we promised and to squash the game-breaking and other high-priority bugs"
AoC manager: "bah, screw the players, 90% of them are idiots and will happily pay us while we add the features we promised on the box and fix the bugs"
So we are left with (using the state of the poll at the time of this post):
77% of respondents said they were "happy" with the game
AND
69% of respondents said they were EITHER unhappy OR not pleased with the games current state
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Some would take that to mean that a majority are satisfied (happy) with their purchase but look forward to patches / bug fixes / additional content
Others would take that to mean that a majority are dissatisfied (either unhappy OR not pleased with current state) with the game
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Still others would take that to mean that the poll is poorly constructed since you can reach two diametrically opposed conclusions from the same set of results
I'm in that camp.
There are many things wrong with this poll (many of which have already been mentioned in this thread).
As an example, as I'm waiting to make a decision about if and when to purchase the game, I'm curious about whether there is adequate content across the levels (are there level ranges in which there is insufficient content / quests / things to do or ways to level up?). Would a players satisfaction with the game change over time (because they encountered sparseness of content in a specific level range OR because the gameplay became repetitive / boring?). I'm not really interested in how satisfaction relates to demographic factors as another poster suggested, but I am interested in knowing that respondents have actually played the game, and the length of time played (or maximum level reached).
But all the (previously mentioned) criticisms of this poll pale in comparison to the fact that once can reach opposing conclusions from the same set of results. The sample could have been perfectly representative of those who had played the game, with a needlessly huge sample, randomly selected, etc. and the results would still be impossible to interpret because of the poor way in which the measures were constructed.
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I've seen a couple of posts deriding statistics. I don't like seeing statistics getting a bad rap. You can call me a fanboi of statistics, it's true.
/rant on
There's merit to the old "lies, damn lies, and statistics" chestnuts, I'll admit. People pass off interpretations of data as being meaningful in ways that they are not. Sometimes that's because the data isn't meaningful (because of validity issues - which I take this poll as a case in point). Other times it's because the interpretation is subjective and demonstrates bias on the part of those that are analyzing the data (and I take the posts about this poll as a case in point of that). These issues are addressed by a well designed and executed experiment (including surveys or polls) in which the prior hypotheses are laid out. And confirmatory statistics are just a tool to measure the results.
Though different statistical tests can be applied, there are rules as to what types of tests are appropriate given the nature of the data. A confidence interval is mathematically defined. A t-test is mathematically defined, etc. No one says that you can't trust a ruler (though you can measure the wrong thing with one). The problems don't arise in how (descriptive / exploratory / confirmatory) statistics are computed - it arises in methods of obtaining data (measuring the right thing with the ruler) and interpretation (explaining the results of measuring something with a ruler).
/rant off
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In any case, I can't see how one would find meaning in the results of this poll without a whole lot of confirmation bias going on. The fanbois pick the result that confirms their preconception, while the haters pick the result that confirms theirs. The resulting posts pull the trolls out of the woodwork. Any dialog becomes as meaningless as the results of the poll. And those that aren't fanbois or haters are left without any new information to base their decision on.
Dirtknap, it seems clear to me that you do have preconceptions about what the results of the poll should be (based on prior threads, the inflammatory and inaccurate title of the post, and your statement that a high level of dissatisfaction correlates with your experience with the game). Given multiple ways in which to interpret the results, you have chosen the one that matches your preconceptions and have denigrated those that have provided criticisms of the poll or that have provided alternative interpretations. I can't help but seeing this as confirmation bias (though with the nature of the poll and the posts in this thread, you are not alone in exhibiting evidence of this).
If your intent is to provide prospective buyers with a criticism of the game or gameplay (regardless of the motivation behind that intent), I'd strongly suggest you provide details related to the game and your opinions regarding the game. I might find that useful, especially if it is detailed. Providing a link to a poll that is impossible to interpret has no use for me. I feel like the only effect has been to make me more skeptical of any information you may be able to share about the game, and that seems like a shame to me.
You can't count the ones that voted "I'm happy" and say they are "unhappy", even if they claim that they are not pleased with current state of the game. Although being happy and unpleased at the same time is a bit strange, guess they are overall satisfied, but hoping for some improvements. I'd say it doesn't look too bad for AoC, to retain most of their player base.
proves that most of us who have serious reservations about the game are *not* "just trolls".
Based on the Law of Large Numbers (which all surveys do) if the poll sample size is <0.5% of the base then it as a potential statistical error rate that would make it worthless for any real assessment. So in other words, if AOC has more than 240,000 subscribers, this survey is junk. Learn to think for yourself
proves that most of us who have serious reservations about the game are *not* "just trolls".
Based on the Law of Large Numbers (which all surveys do) if the poll sample size is <0.5% of the base then it as a potential statistical error rate that would make it worthless for any real assessment. So in other words, if AOC has more than 240,000 subscribers, this survey is junk. Learn to think for yourself
Jaxon26, that's not correct.
The size of the population (what you are calling the "base") relative to the sample size is not important for parameter estimation. It's the size of the sample that is important, not the size of the population.
Take a look at the equation for estimating a population standard deviation from a sample population.
The sample standard deviation is the square root of ((1 divided by (the sample size minus one)) times the sum of squared deviations from the sample mean). There is no term in the equation that relates to the population size.
Statistical power is related to the sample size, the effect size, and the statistical significance criteria that is used (what alpha is chosen). A commonly used criteria for significance is alpha = 0.05, which may be where you are getting your number for the statement you made above. But none of the above have anything to do with the population size or its relative size to the sample.
@ OP. That poll is pointless. It's so easy to break and fudge the results Wish people would wait till some hard facts on active subscriptions come out in a few months. ..this coming from someone who doesn't give a damn about AoC either way.
Amen. Active subs is the ONLY way to judge a success., or even a failure. If they cross the 2 month threshold without at least 150K in the pocket...well, they will be shaping up for a swift lay-off season in their dev department. We won't be able to tell if there is any hemorrhaging until a least a month later, when we can see the change first hand. Of course, it won't BE a month later...as most do not release sub numbers until their quarterly reports are due. But you get the gist of it.
Is this poll restricted to people who bought AoC or can any old person just vote? How is that poll any more legitimate than what the people on the boards post or vote?
1. you can only vote once
2. it was posted on the AoC boards, where people that were subscribing from an AoC account that was "enabled" could view it
and yes, most people are unhappy
the remaining 30% are below level 30, and thought their vote mattered
The starting area was brilliant. Strong direction with good voice overs gave an immersing feel to the game. This is why most reviews are so positive. Unfortunately once you move away from Tortage, the game desends to your standard MMORPG. Missions are simplistic and easy to follow. Many loading screens between areas travelled take away from the expansive feeling of the world that WoW gave you. Several missions are bugged. Content beyond level 40 is sparce.
Party interface is small, uninformative, and locating party members on the map is difficult.
Chat interface is clunky, hard to change channels and seems out of place to the overall graphic structure of the game.
All NPC chats are cutaways. (On PVP Realms you still can be attacked while talking to a NPC, you just can't attack back)
Crafting is near useless as items generally are not as good as found items. Resource farming is slow and awkward. Resources spawn in set areas and are slow respawn. The rock/tree/cotton bush are there but you have to wait till it gets past 10% supplies. (On PVP Realms, resources are a call to be ganked.)
While the overall graphics are beautiful, the gameplay for casters isn't that much different than any other MMORPG.
Some of the promised content isn't there. Siege Warfare, DX10, Spell Weaving. End game content is near zero.
Overall I would say give the game 6 months to straighten itself out.
The only fail in this thread is AoC, for releasing 6 months too early.
if you guys want to keep paying for FC to fix the tons of bugs, and add the features that are written on the box but still aren't in the game, then go right ahead.
me, when i pay for something i expect to get a finished product.
regardless of how many polls there are that show a fairly high proportion of discontent, there will always be clueless morons with virtually no MMO experience rushing to defend it... and some of those are FC employees...
The starting area was brilliant. Strong direction with good voice overs gave an immersing feel to the game. This is why most reviews are so positive. Unfortunately once you move away from Tortage, the game desends to your standard MMORPG. Missions are simplistic and easy to follow. Many loading screens between areas travelled take away from the expansive feeling of the world that WoW gave you. Several missions are bugged. Content beyond level 40 is sparce. ...
Some of the promised content isn't there. Siege Warfare, DX10, Spell Weaving. End game content is near zero.
Overall I would say give the game 6 months to straighten itself out.
Cynically one could say that FC are so bad that they deliberately sacrificed the quality of the high-end content in order to suck more people in and to get more favourable reviews.
this poll now has 1500 voters and the numbers are still the same: 69% are either unhappy with the game or not pleased with it.
it's the fanoys who are trolling this game towards overly positive, not the other way around. some of them are for sure viral marketers employed by Funcom.
Don't be ridiculous and start whipping out the viral marketing card. The people that are enjoying the game aren't browsing the internet to find your poll. They are playing and enjoying the game. I would say though that the number of people who bought the game compared to the number of people who will continue subs within the first few months will be between 35-55%. I could not imagine continuing to play the game in the high levels without a great guild and I feel like that will turn thousands and thousands of players away.
I hope they can polish this up in time to keep people around. I know they are hard at work on more quests and content for level 60-80 areas.
BTW - dirtknap you are a troll... There is no if ands or buts about it. Everyone knows it, and seeing you across your posts is just sad.
Don't be ridiculous and start whipping out the viral marketing card. The people that are enjoying the game aren't browsing the internet to find your poll.
I found this poll linked from the official EU AoC boards. the vast majority of voters are current AoC subscribers.
you clearly didn't bother to read the thread, typical fanboy response. I am anti-AoC and anti-FC because i feel ripped off by them and i think they ought to be bankrupt with their deceptive marketing practises. i am not pretending otherwise.
the more people i can save from wasting their money based on FC's lies and premature releasing, the better.
Don't be ridiculous and start whipping out the viral marketing card. The people that are enjoying the game aren't browsing the internet to find your poll.
I found this poll linked from the official EU AoC boards. the vast majority of voters are current AoC subscribers.
you clearly didn't bother to read the thread, typical fanboy response. I am anti-AoC and anti-FC because i feel ripped off by them and i think they ought to be bankrupt with their deceptive marketing practises. i am not pretending otherwise.
I am not a fanboy... I am not even currently subbed as i'm going on Vaca the rest of Summer and it won't run on my laptop. Do I wish for the games success so that there are more options when I get back from my vaca? Hell yes I do. I wish for every games success to try and migrate people away from WoW no matter how small.
My top list of anticipated games are: Darkfall, Earthrise, Mortal Online, the return of Ryzom, and the Chronicles of Spellborn.
Do you see any pattern in those games? None are quest grinds in a predetermined/fleshed out storyline drive World. AoC, Aion, and WoW share a lot in common in these regards so they are not the top games on my list, but I will defend and support the new ones because we need more variety.
When I say defend and support I mean from obvious trolls. If you look at many of the fair bad reviews of the game I always say, 'Great review!', and 'I hope you find what you are looking for.'
It is my annoyance of trolls who come to these boards for hours a day and skew information, and spread outdated information, and things of this nature that makes people think I am a fanboy.
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What do you say to:
In that poll, 80% of respondents said that they were happy.
...and
Of those that reported that they were not pleased with the game's current state (n=767), 82% (630 of the 767) *still* report that they are "happy".
while that is true, it is also true that 70% were either not happy, and/or not pleased with the game in its current state.
seeing as i found the poll linked from the official AoC EU forums, and as much as the fanboys would like otherwise, the poll shows quite a high level of dissatisfaction with the game, which correlates with my experience of the game.
i'm not sure what they were thinking, but i bet it went something like this:
AoC developer: "my team needs another 3-6months to add the features we promised and to squash the game-breaking and other high-priority bugs"
AoC manager: "bah, screw the players, 90% of them are idiots and will happily pay us while we add the features we promised on the box and fix the bugs"
looked like 77% said they were happy to me out of 1400+ votes.
If you want to find out if people are happy with a game, use something like Yes/No/Undecided. Using loaded questions is just a bad form.
(And I am not saying the game is great or horrible, just pointing out the poll was shady)
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Fact 99% of all stats are made up and 100% of all stats can be made to reflect anything you like.
You can always make your compacy, country, whatever look good/bad with stats
(Just went to the poll in question - it added up to 101%. Gotta love that
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As I previously stated, I have yet to make a decision as to whether or not to purchase AoC. I responded to this thread because I found the title to be misleading. Your subsequent posts make me wonder whether you are being purposefully misleading (or willfully ignorant).What do you say to:
In that poll, 80% of respondents said that they were happy.
...and
Of those that reported that they were not pleased with the game's current state (n=767), 82% (630 of the 767) *still* report that they are "happy".
while that is true, it is also true that 70% were either not happy, and/or not pleased with the game in its current state.
seeing as i found the poll linked from the official AoC EU forums, and as much as the fanboys would like otherwise, the poll shows quite a high level of dissatisfaction with the game, which correlates with my experience of the game.
i'm not sure what they were thinking, but i bet it went something like this:
AoC developer: "my team needs another 3-6months to add the features we promised and to squash the game-breaking and other high-priority bugs"
AoC manager: "bah, screw the players, 90% of them are idiots and will happily pay us while we add the features we promised on the box and fix the bugs"
So we are left with (using the state of the poll at the time of this post):
77% of respondents said they were "happy" with the game
AND
69% of respondents said they were EITHER unhappy OR not pleased with the games current state
- - -
Some would take that to mean that a majority are satisfied (happy) with their purchase but look forward to patches / bug fixes / additional content
Others would take that to mean that a majority are dissatisfied (either unhappy OR not pleased with current state) with the game
- - -
Still others would take that to mean that the poll is poorly constructed since you can reach two diametrically opposed conclusions from the same set of results
I'm in that camp.
There are many things wrong with this poll (many of which have already been mentioned in this thread).
As an example, as I'm waiting to make a decision about if and when to purchase the game, I'm curious about whether there is adequate content across the levels (are there level ranges in which there is insufficient content / quests / things to do or ways to level up?). Would a players satisfaction with the game change over time (because they encountered sparseness of content in a specific level range OR because the gameplay became repetitive / boring?). I'm not really interested in how satisfaction relates to demographic factors as another poster suggested, but I am interested in knowing that respondents have actually played the game, and the length of time played (or maximum level reached).
But all the (previously mentioned) criticisms of this poll pale in comparison to the fact that once can reach opposing conclusions from the same set of results. The sample could have been perfectly representative of those who had played the game, with a needlessly huge sample, randomly selected, etc. and the results would still be impossible to interpret because of the poor way in which the measures were constructed.
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I've seen a couple of posts deriding statistics. I don't like seeing statistics getting a bad rap. You can call me a fanboi of statistics, it's true.
/rant on
There's merit to the old "lies, damn lies, and statistics" chestnuts, I'll admit. People pass off interpretations of data as being meaningful in ways that they are not. Sometimes that's because the data isn't meaningful (because of validity issues - which I take this poll as a case in point). Other times it's because the interpretation is subjective and demonstrates bias on the part of those that are analyzing the data (and I take the posts about this poll as a case in point of that). These issues are addressed by a well designed and executed experiment (including surveys or polls) in which the prior hypotheses are laid out. And confirmatory statistics are just a tool to measure the results.
Though different statistical tests can be applied, there are rules as to what types of tests are appropriate given the nature of the data. A confidence interval is mathematically defined. A t-test is mathematically defined, etc. No one says that you can't trust a ruler (though you can measure the wrong thing with one). The problems don't arise in how (descriptive / exploratory / confirmatory) statistics are computed - it arises in methods of obtaining data (measuring the right thing with the ruler) and interpretation (explaining the results of measuring something with a ruler).
/rant off
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In any case, I can't see how one would find meaning in the results of this poll without a whole lot of confirmation bias going on. The fanbois pick the result that confirms their preconception, while the haters pick the result that confirms theirs. The resulting posts pull the trolls out of the woodwork. Any dialog becomes as meaningless as the results of the poll. And those that aren't fanbois or haters are left without any new information to base their decision on.
Dirtknap, it seems clear to me that you do have preconceptions about what the results of the poll should be (based on prior threads, the inflammatory and inaccurate title of the post, and your statement that a high level of dissatisfaction correlates with your experience with the game). Given multiple ways in which to interpret the results, you have chosen the one that matches your preconceptions and have denigrated those that have provided criticisms of the poll or that have provided alternative interpretations. I can't help but seeing this as confirmation bias (though with the nature of the poll and the posts in this thread, you are not alone in exhibiting evidence of this).
If your intent is to provide prospective buyers with a criticism of the game or gameplay (regardless of the motivation behind that intent), I'd strongly suggest you provide details related to the game and your opinions regarding the game. I might find that useful, especially if it is detailed. Providing a link to a poll that is impossible to interpret has no use for me. I feel like the only effect has been to make me more skeptical of any information you may be able to share about the game, and that seems like a shame to me.
poll is never fact just opinions and the funniest part you don't even need to played or own the game to cast the vote in this poll.
You can't count the ones that voted "I'm happy" and say they are "unhappy", even if they claim that they are not pleased with current state of the game. Although being happy and unpleased at the same time is a bit strange, guess they are overall satisfied, but hoping for some improvements. I'd say it doesn't look too bad for AoC, to retain most of their player base.
Fact: 70% of facts posted on these forums have been plucked from the posters posterior.
Based on the Law of Large Numbers (which all surveys do) if the poll sample size is <0.5% of the base then it as a potential statistical error rate that would make it worthless for any real assessment. So in other words, if AOC has more than 240,000 subscribers, this survey is junk. Learn to think for yourself
Jaxon26, that's not correct.Based on the Law of Large Numbers (which all surveys do) if the poll sample size is <0.5% of the base then it as a potential statistical error rate that would make it worthless for any real assessment. So in other words, if AOC has more than 240,000 subscribers, this survey is junk. Learn to think for yourself
The size of the population (what you are calling the "base") relative to the sample size is not important for parameter estimation. It's the size of the sample that is important, not the size of the population.
Take a look at the equation for estimating a population standard deviation from a sample population.
The sample standard deviation is the square root of ((1 divided by (the sample size minus one)) times the sum of squared deviations from the sample mean). There is no term in the equation that relates to the population size.
Statistical power is related to the sample size, the effect size, and the statistical significance criteria that is used (what alpha is chosen). A commonly used criteria for significance is alpha = 0.05, which may be where you are getting your number for the statement you made above. But none of the above have anything to do with the population size or its relative size to the sample.
This thread is actually becoming funnier than Kathy Griffon on a good day.
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Evidently someone has not done his homework!
@ OP.
That poll is pointless. It's so easy to break and fudge the results
Wish people would wait till some hard facts on active subscriptions come out in a few months.
..this coming from someone who doesn't give a damn about AoC either way.
Amen. Active subs is the ONLY way to judge a success., or even a failure. If they cross the 2 month threshold without at least 150K in the pocket...well, they will be shaping up for a swift lay-off season in their dev department. We won't be able to tell if there is any hemorrhaging until a least a month later, when we can see the change first hand. Of course, it won't BE a month later...as most do not release sub numbers until their quarterly reports are due. But you get the gist of it.
2. it was posted on the AoC boards, where people that were subscribing from an AoC account that was "enabled" could view it
and yes, most people are unhappy
the remaining 30% are below level 30, and thought their vote mattered
The starting area was brilliant. Strong direction with good voice overs gave an immersing feel to the game. This is why most reviews are so positive. Unfortunately once you move away from Tortage, the game desends to your standard MMORPG. Missions are simplistic and easy to follow. Many loading screens between areas travelled take away from the expansive feeling of the world that WoW gave you. Several missions are bugged. Content beyond level 40 is sparce.
Party interface is small, uninformative, and locating party members on the map is difficult.
Chat interface is clunky, hard to change channels and seems out of place to the overall graphic structure of the game.
All NPC chats are cutaways. (On PVP Realms you still can be attacked while talking to a NPC, you just can't attack back)
Crafting is near useless as items generally are not as good as found items. Resource farming is slow and awkward. Resources spawn in set areas and are slow respawn. The rock/tree/cotton bush are there but you have to wait till it gets past 10% supplies. (On PVP Realms, resources are a call to be ganked.)
While the overall graphics are beautiful, the gameplay for casters isn't that much different than any other MMORPG.
Some of the promised content isn't there. Siege Warfare, DX10, Spell Weaving. End game content is near zero.
Overall I would say give the game 6 months to straighten itself out.
Don't believe me check out the game forums at http://f orums.ageofconan.com/forumdisplay.php?f=8
Waiting for the next thing
I've been away for a week and still this retarded bs goes on? Ha!
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The only fail in this thread is AoC, for releasing 6 months too early.
if you guys want to keep paying for FC to fix the tons of bugs, and add the features that are written on the box but still aren't in the game, then go right ahead.
me, when i pay for something i expect to get a finished product.
regardless of how many polls there are that show a fairly high proportion of discontent, there will always be clueless morons with virtually no MMO experience rushing to defend it... and some of those are FC employees...
100% unsatisfied customer.. the game is just a shell... it's not much fun.. it is pure hack and slash w/ no strategy.. not a fun game..
Cynically one could say that FC are so bad that they deliberately sacrificed the quality of the high-end content in order to suck more people in and to get more favourable reviews.
that strategy appears to have backfired badly...
this poll now has 1500 voters and the numbers are still the same: 69% are either unhappy with the game or not pleased with it.
it's the fanoys who are trolling this game towards overly positive, not the other way around. some of them are for sure viral marketers employed by Funcom.
Don't be ridiculous and start whipping out the viral marketing card. The people that are enjoying the game aren't browsing the internet to find your poll. They are playing and enjoying the game. I would say though that the number of people who bought the game compared to the number of people who will continue subs within the first few months will be between 35-55%. I could not imagine continuing to play the game in the high levels without a great guild and I feel like that will turn thousands and thousands of players away.
I hope they can polish this up in time to keep people around. I know they are hard at work on more quests and content for level 60-80 areas.
BTW - dirtknap you are a troll... There is no if ands or buts about it. Everyone knows it, and seeing you across your posts is just sad.
I found this poll linked from the official EU AoC boards. the vast majority of voters are current AoC subscribers.
you clearly didn't bother to read the thread, typical fanboy response. I am anti-AoC and anti-FC because i feel ripped off by them and i think they ought to be bankrupt with their deceptive marketing practises. i am not pretending otherwise.
the more people i can save from wasting their money based on FC's lies and premature releasing, the better.
I found this poll linked from the official EU AoC boards. the vast majority of voters are current AoC subscribers.
you clearly didn't bother to read the thread, typical fanboy response. I am anti-AoC and anti-FC because i feel ripped off by them and i think they ought to be bankrupt with their deceptive marketing practises. i am not pretending otherwise.
I am not a fanboy... I am not even currently subbed as i'm going on Vaca the rest of Summer and it won't run on my laptop. Do I wish for the games success so that there are more options when I get back from my vaca? Hell yes I do. I wish for every games success to try and migrate people away from WoW no matter how small.
My top list of anticipated games are: Darkfall, Earthrise, Mortal Online, the return of Ryzom, and the Chronicles of Spellborn.
Do you see any pattern in those games? None are quest grinds in a predetermined/fleshed out storyline drive World. AoC, Aion, and WoW share a lot in common in these regards so they are not the top games on my list, but I will defend and support the new ones because we need more variety.
When I say defend and support I mean from obvious trolls. If you look at many of the fair bad reviews of the game I always say, 'Great review!', and 'I hope you find what you are looking for.'
It is my annoyance of trolls who come to these boards for hours a day and skew information, and spread outdated information, and things of this nature that makes people think I am a fanboy.