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Vanguard..just looking better and better thanks to AoC /moved
mike470
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Sure, VG had its flaws, but every game does (including AOC...). With the release of AOC, well...have been stripped from us.
Vanguard Age of Conan
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Instancing: VG hardly consists of ANY instances. Today, Lobo and I were doing a quest where we had to explore a dungeon.. Sure, we both ended up running for our lives, but we ran for out lives with NO INSTANCING. In Vanguard, if you see it, you can explore it. |
Well...Age of Conan is full of instancing. An instance here and an instance there...well, it just takes away from the immerse feeling of an MMO NOTE: There is nothing wrong with instances if they are worth it (like in Citadel of Sorcery) but in a game like AoC it is NOT worth it! |
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Crafting: Vanguard has an amazing crafting system, with different twists and turns..There is always a risk of making that error that could cost you, |
AoC's crafting is hardly even complete |
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Gameplay: Vanguard will always keep you busy. There are three things you can get to level 50 on: Crafting, Adventuring, and Diplomacy. Each level is filled with interesting quests and new things to do |
Gameplay: AoC hardly has anything to past level 50, which forces players to grind. |
These are just a few reasons of why VG clearly surpasses AoC. AoC was developed for a console, and it will always be that way.
Vanguard is the true MMO of PvE games.
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Ya I feel bad for the people who are going to continue to pay for console tweaking and bug testing.. Thats where that games going and its a major reason why the sound and graphics are so spiffy.. but everything else seems to suck.. You're play testing it for consoles morons!
Oh, and just to add a few more points, VG has ship and house building...UNINSTANCED!
Also, the community is great in VG...as for AOC...err...not so much.
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This should be in the Vanguard forums and this is clearly an attempt to cause strife and troll bait.
the only reason you post this in the AoC forums is because only the few Vanbois left ever read the VG forums.
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actually this post is right where it belongs...
do you hate AoC?
play vanguard because its pretty much the exact opposite except VG has better graphics..
Remember Old School Ultima Online
i think ive learned my lesson when it comes to mmo's. No more pre-order!!!!
For reasons based on my own style of play and my disdain for instancing I will be returning to Vanguard. I really enjoy some aspects of AOC but there is not enough to keep my interest.
people can be such hypocrites. We all know how Vanguard was at launch and just comparing VG and AoC at launch AoC is miles ahead of where VG was. Its taken Vanguard nearly a year to get to where its at.. AoC in a year will be great and still have 5x the population and potential that VG has.
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So what? It's fixed now, and it is a great game. If something is good now, I do not care how the game was a launch. If VG still was in the condition is was at launch, well then of course not as many people would be playing.
But why wait 6 months for AOC to be fixed when you already have a complete game with no instances ready to play? VG still has tons of potential, yet I fail to see how a game that makes you go in instances to battle and lags like crazy has any more potential than Vanguard.
Also, sure when VG was released when it shoudk have been in beta, but at least those people didn't pay to beta test a console version of it!
NOTE: Nothign is wrong with instances if they are worth it, yet in AOC they are NOT worth it.
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And this one little point means, Vanguard will never be a good MMO game. (because w/o PVP, there is no game) Not saying AOC is good yet, but it has potential to be good with the planned changes, VG is a non-starter forever on this issue.
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And this one little point means, Vanguard will never be a good MMO game. (because w/o PVP, there is no game) Not saying AOC is good yet, but it has potential to be good with the planned changes, VG is a non-starter forever on this issue.
Well, there is the possibility for dueling, may I add. As well as that there is a PvP server, but that is not in the main focus of the devs right now.
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A long time ago I used to play Vanguard and it wasnt very good. Now I have come back to it and I am amazed at how good it is. The graphics are stunning and the gameplay is top notch. You can do anything you want in the game and the game world itself is enormous. With the addition of the latest patches, the game even makes you cups of tea, gives you free REAL money so you dont have to go to work, projects a virtual reality hologram of a fantasy world around you and actually transforms you into a real life version of your avatar. Its incredible!
As an extra special bonus, if you believe this advertising stunt that is being pulled to mislead you from the truth about Vanguard (ie its a collapsing dreadful mess of a game that is as bad now as it was when it was first released) and rush out to give the game a go then you will be treated to your very own personal dose of major dissappointment and frustration.
Vanguards got great graphics?! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! Trying to compare it to the graphics in AoC is most amusing indeed.
Vanguard is dieing a slow death and with the release of AoC it has speeded up. Your desperate attempt to sway disgruntled AoC players over to Vancrap only helps to prove it. Keep up the good work
I suppose you haven't played in awhile. They fixed the lag spikes a lot, as well as MUCH better FPS in towns. I really don't understand your point, the game has gotten much better with preformance issues.
Also, you really think I'm advertising? I've been here for four months, so I would be banned by now if I was up to every advertising schemes. I'm just voicing my opinion.
Now, shoo, go run back into your instance
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MMO players = Fickle Brats
DDO, Vanguard, EQ2, Eve-Online – got panned hard when they first came out.
Eve = game that requires skill and has consequences. Harcore and amazing.
EQ2 = great raids, high-level content, polished and sweet graphics!
DD) = most people don’t pay attention to it but it is an amazing game, very true to PnP. Has depth.
Vanguard = up and coming, performace issues still present. Low population - but it has a good hardcore following. It will grow.
So AoC is not what you want it to be now! Point to a game that did not launch in the same manner – missing content, bugs, balance issues…far and few.
We all know the pattern when an MMO first comes out.
AoC will come into its own. Don’t buy when it comes out and expect a polished game. It does not happen.
Yeah, yeah – the devs market the hell out of their game so you will buy 3 months before its even live. There paying the bills.
You still know - wait or deal with it.
AoC will age very well – like all the above games, finding its own niche.
I agree this belongs on the Vanguard forums
anyone who loses interest in AOC may poke around the other mmo forums anyhow
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I reinstalled Vanguard a month ago and one week later uninstalled it again. It was absolutely dreadful.....pretty much as it was when I bought it upon its release. Stupid looking character models, very bad fps, and a "vaste and huge gameworld" that is......empty. I could almost hear the wind blowing across the empty landscape of Vanguard.....but at least that open, empty and seamless world looks kind of pretty at some points. The diplomacy aspect is still a joke and a boring one at that.
Anyway you are mistaken as I am not a player of AoC. I've seen it in action though and its obvious that there is no comparison to Vanguard at all. The Gamespot review of AoC quite rightly describes it as "the most attractive and technically impressive MMOG now on the market".
http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/ageofconanhyborianadventures/review.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=multimodule&tag=multimodule;reviews;title;5
The fact that you are trying to suggest that Vanguard is better than AoC makes it obvious that you are not simply stating your opinion. Now if I cut you in two, will you actually die and fade back to the dieing world of Vanguard or do we have to use fire or acid on you to stop your wounds from regenerating?
Now, shoo, go run back into your empty world
Well said! I totally agree with you....well.....except the bit about Vanguard of course. Unfortunately your statement will be ignored by all of those fickle brats. They sprout up like a mass of high-speed weeds when every mmo comes out
Nice response, I agree.
Not saying that it's okay to launch an unfinished game..but oh well
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This is a great thread for me to say that I have not bought AoC because of Vanguard. Not because VG is better, because at launch it was completely unplayable. I had so much lag, at the lowest settings, i couldn't move. I'm sure it's much better now but it's had a lot of development and fine tuning to get it to this postion. SOE pumped a lot of resources into it to get into this position.
Maybe it's better than AoC now, but come back to AoC in 6-12 months with have a improved by at least the same amount.
So go play VG for a few months then come back to AoC.
Yet another promotion for the dieing Vanguard! Listen people! Do NOT give Vanguard a go. Go and play some other game instead if you dont like AoC. EQ2 for example.....thats better than Vanguard. Of course its totally up you. You have been warned.
Tell you I purchased Vanguard when it came out with the collectors had high hopes and got burnt...
Bought AoC got burnt....
Went back to Vanguard in the past few days and I am still feeling the ash on my skin from the first burning and the wind is starting to make it smoke.....
I can't seem to get into this game...I have tried and tried, and still can't...The slow movement of the characters while fighting, jumping, or running/sprinting just doesn't feel right.. I have turned up the combat speed and everything it still just doesn't feel right.. I love the looks of the game, and the graphics are probably the best out there, but the character movement is something to not be had for me.
Its sad because I purchased the collectors edition when it costed me $110, so I was pretty set on coming here full swing.
Like I said only thing I don't like is the character animations and the way you move...feels like your always in water or something...
Not a fair comparasin. AoC has not been out as long as Vanguard. If AoC lacks content 14-16 months from now, then the arguments hold merit. I will of course leave the game in a third of that time if they fail to improve, but that is another story.
BTW, none of the issues in the OP are important to me in games. Well, gameplay is, but they already announced their fixes for it, so I seriously doubt it will be an issue.
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Last night I played vanguard on the test server. It was pretty fun after the last several weeks in AoC. AoC is just starting to get old. The villa quests are the main things I'm doing now and they are definitely getting tiring. Maybe if AoC had move content in the upper 50s it would keep me going....
But I think this weekend I'll be in eq2 again and probably will move to Vanguard when GU6 comes out. I'm gonna wait on VG till the new character models come out and the trial island launches. I'd expect these milestones will be the launch of some long term sustained growth in VG which at this point is a pretty solid game.
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While you are half correct, it was an unfair comparison, but some things will stay (like instancing).
I have said it once and I will say it again, instancing is not a big deal if it's worth it. I don't mind it at all, but it should be worth it. I just don't believe it is worth it in Age of Conan. If inside the instancing is something amazing, then of course I won't mind the instancing at all.
It's just that in my view, I just don't think that the instancing is worth it- unlike other games like TCoS and CoS.
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Mike I played/play both games and I will tell you why there is no reason for this kind of comparision.
1- Both games are uniques in different ways, MMO community should be happy with both and not try create a competition that is not real.
2- Instances are very good to storyline quests, you can experience this in AoC or in EQ2 ( in places like Unrest ). You are saying instances in AoC are not worth, can you elaborate that? Instances in AoC have the same positive aspects than instances in Everquest2.
3- Vanguard release and first year was even worse and more broken than Age of Conan start, kicking AoC using Vanguard as reference is hipocrisy.
4-I left Vanguard not becouse I dont like the game, but because changes like the apearance cut off is the kind of thing we expect in alphas not even in betas, AoC need fixing and upgrades, but Vanguard for SoE still in early beta and it will be for a couple of years.
Devs from Vanguard are not serious, I know Funcom has issues with support, but after the upcoming new mounts where they decided all creatures in Vanguard should work as mount ( or almost that ) and implemented BOP after one year of game, it is clear, they are lost.
5- Vanguard and Age of Conan have nice and unique classes, very expressive visual, more mature quests, good music, but they are different games, again, there is no reason to create a false competition between both games.
6-Both games have a very expressive RPG atmosphere.
7- You are wrong about community, the only reason community in Vanguard seems to be better is because it is one of the smaller communities in MMOs, when Vanguard was more popular, you could rate Vanguard and AoC community at the same level.
8-Im not sure you play AoC, there is a lot of quests at 50-60, you just need to look for it, Vanguard has less adventure content and Diplomacy is a bit lost after 30, I really cant understand someone telling AoC is grindy and use Vanguard as an opposite example.
9- As I said both are good and unique games, both games should suceed, but SoE is not seious about Vanguard anymore.
10-I like both games, I played/play both games, but after the huge release of Age of Conan, it is easier to belive Funcom will make AoC grow, the same will not happen with Vanguard any time soon, SoE already proved Vanguard has absolute no priority.
11- Dont try to belive Vanguard is getting a good amount of players, the only populated server is seradon ( only one ) and even seradon has a empty feeling in some areas... this is really sad as I said, I enjoy both games.
12-(edit) I must add some info about the console issue, games like Eq2, DDO, CoV and GW have similarities with AoC and they are all PC games, the 360 version will be different than the PC version, some games like Bioshock came first in the 360, and it is easy to realize, Bioshock is a perfect PC title, so this console thing, is not exacly accurate. The idea that a console game has less quality than a PC game is wrong, most of Xbox 360 are typical PC games.
13-After the bad release of Vanguard, even after a lot of fixes, a lot of people that didnt even play the game were always there trying to make everyone belive Vanguard was a piece of crap, I cant understand a Vanguard player trying to do exacly the same with another mmo.
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As I said I enjoy both games, but I agree with you, and this reflect the sad state of MMO communities...
AoC has much more than only 5x the population and the upcoming money to expand than Vanguard has these days, if you take a look in the servers of both games, we can say it has at least 10x more costumers than VG.
I dont care if a game is popular or not, but VG would need more people and more money to really grow.
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