Dont listen to one word AoCTester says. Look at his past posts, not even one good post from this person. Please, leave the forum because truefuly, I nor many of us care.
That's a very meaningful and valuable, deep comment.... glad you shared it with us!
DB
Actually it is a good post. The AOCTester guy blames fc for his video card breaking during cb, since that time he has constantly spammed forums with complete and utter troll bait. This in itself isn't an issue, but AoC genuinely really does have a lot of issues and people like this just make it all that much harder for others to find out the real situation.
People used to come to this forum for the real opinion and views on a game but when a new game launches it has just become a place to smack talk and post bs. There are some good posters here who have good information why should we have to put up with idiots like this who hold a grudge as if a dev company personally insulted their family.
No, that comment was truly, purely rubbish.
Yours, on the other hand, is a little more useful. I still don't think that topics should discuss poster personalities. Especially not with derailing original concepts, like this one.
DB
Rubbish? I really want to learn what your defination of rubbish is then because it 99% of what AoCTester or anyone who says this game is terrible is rubbish.
He posted TWO topic on how there is a lot of gold farmers, what MMORPG isn't there? Funcom failing to deliver on what they say, true, but we dont need 3000 people saying so. And he also has an abundence of negitive posts from other peoples topics. And he even advertised EQ2 on AoC forums...
Maybe it is a bit to far by saying dont listen to him, but he is no doubt a flammer and a troll.
There are some good posters here who have good information why should we have to put up with idiots like this who hold a grudge as if a dev company personally insulted their family.
Funcom insulted my intellegence by putting this piece of crap up on shelves.
US servers have an ETA of 4:30 EDT. People seriously need to learn to read. The reason for removing topics from the forums board, is because several people are making the same dam topic threads, when they have already labeled one thread as the main one. Yet again, people not learning how to read. So im going to put this easy for you simpletons out there, if you cannot attempt to read or do a search, then just don't reply. And the forums were down for a quick sec for database issue's. Nothing big, and it happens to alot of companys.
People need to get over the "This game is garbage crap", thinking droves of people will follow them. This is a game people. Can some of you not understand that some people like this game? So what if they do, if it bothers you that much, go beg Mythic for a beta key. Regardless, these are video games, and if your going to go out of your way to prove how crappy the game is on a forums board, then you have already proved to us you have no life. To those who care, Alchemy is fixed and Gem's and SIlk's can now be seen on the trader, WOOT! Time to build me up a nice set of crafted/gemmed gear for soem hardcore grinding.
Dont listen to one word AoCTester says. Look at his past posts, not even one good post from this person. Please, leave the forum because truefuly, I nor many of us care.
That's a very meaningful and valuable, deep comment.... glad you shared it with us!
DB
Actually it is a good post. The AOCTester guy blames fc for his video card breaking during cb, since that time he has constantly spammed forums with complete and utter troll bait. This in itself isn't an issue, but AoC genuinely really does have a lot of issues and people like this just make it all that much harder for others to find out the real situation.
People used to come to this forum for the real opinion and views on a game but when a new game launches it has just become a place to smack talk and post bs. There are some good posters here who have good information why should we have to put up with idiots like this who hold a grudge as if a dev company personally insulted their family.
No, that comment was truly, purely rubbish.
Yours, on the other hand, is a little more useful. I still don't think that topics should discuss poster personalities. Especially not with derailing original concepts, like this one.
DB
Rubbish? I really want to learn what your defination of rubbish is then because it 99% of what AoCTester or anyone who says this game is terrible is rubbish.
He posted TWO topic on how there is a lot of gold farmers, what MMORPG isn't there? Funcom failing to deliver on what they say, true, but we dont need 3000 people saying so. And he also has an abundence of negitive posts from other peoples topics. And he even advertised EQ2 on AoC forums...
Maybe it is a bit to far by saying dont listen to him, but he is no doubt a flammer and a troll.
I have posted alot more than two topics about the fact that AOC was launched unfinished and not ready for retail. The economy system is one sign of that. Posting two simulare posts doesn't make them wrong. THe one posted last night was again based on the fact that there are ppl that are at lvl 60+ and havn't got a mount. That is calling out for cheating, exploiding and goldbuying. And where there is a market for it -there will be farmers and goldsellers. Counter to what most think - its the devs that deside how many of them are around. And its not done by banning ppl. Its done by creating a system that is build on balanced economy. I have already had the fastest mount in AOC in closed beta and I know its not worth the price Funcom has put on it. But still - its calling out for problems Cause ppl kinda get tired of running on foot through 3-4 zones to get to where they can actually lvl. And then ppl use exploids like kiling themselfs so they can jump automaticly to closest spawnpoint to get out of map. Thats an exploid in my book. MMO game should not be about kiling yourself and directly benefit from it. But ppl are not stupid. We will all go the easy route to reach our goals. That goes for both players and goldfarmers alike. And the easy route isn't always the devs route. Problems could have been avoided if half a brain was put into it.
About 3000 ppl saying so... - thats exactly the point. One person complaining about an MMO will not do anything. One person writing 3000 posts will not do anything. But maybe 3000 ppl that feel the same way and all post 5-10 posts about issues that have come up - then it shows a certain pattern doesn't it. And yes - some ppl put it forward in a nice way while others put it forward in not so nice way. And belive me - when you have had your 5th crash in an hour ppl tent to say something they wouldn't say on regulare basis.
Dont listen to one word AoCTester says. Look at his past posts, not even one good post from this person. Please, leave the forum because truefuly, I nor many of us care.
For someone who doesnt care much, you seem to post alot about it. Its public forum. Put up or shut up.
I have posted alot more than two topics about the fact that AOC was launched unfinished and not ready for retail. The economy system is one sign of that. Posting two simulare posts doesn't make them wrong. THe one posted last night was again based on the fact that there are ppl that are at lvl 60+ and havn't got a mount. That is calling out for cheating, exploiding and goldbuying. And where there is a market for it -there will be farmers and goldsellers. Counter to what most think - its the devs that deside how many of them are around. And its not done by banning ppl. Its done by creating a system that is build on balanced economy. I played have already had the fastest mount in AOC in closed beta and I know its not worth the price Funcom has put on it. But still - its calling out for problems Cause ppl kinda get tired of running on foot through 3-4 zones to get to where they can actually lvl. And then ppl use exploids like kiling themselfs so they can jump automaticly to closest spawnpoint to get out of map. Thats an exploid in my book. MMO game should not be about kiling yourself and directly benefit from it. But ppl are not stupid. We will all go the easy route to reach our goals. That goes for both players and goldfarmers alike. And the easy route isn't always the devs route. Problems that can be avoided if half a brain was put into it.
About 3000 ppl saying so... - thats exactly the point. One person complaining about an MMO will not do anything. One person writing 3000 posts will not do anything. But maybe 3000 ppl that feel the same way and all post 5-10 posts about issues that have come up - then it shows a certain pattern doesn't it. And yes - some ppl put it forward in a nice way while others put it forward in not so nice way. And belive me - when you have had your 5th crash in an hour ppl tent to say something they wouldn't say on regulare basis.
Funcom knows that there is bugs and problems with the game, there is no need to reimburse it with 15 threads with the sam topic. What the majority of these forums are posting isnt suggestions, they are simply flamming this game. If they post something like funcom should fix X problem, then that is ok, but people are just plain out mindlessly blabbering about known issues.
You are the first in a while to actually post these problems. Go look at 8/10 threads, you will see the OP simply saying "ALOTZ OF BUGZ" and never addressing what specificly is causing him trouble.
On a Topic-Related note, the Downtime for the US Servers has been extended to 8PM EDT. A Major fix for the Stability issues that caused the crashing on the EU Servers apparently has to be implemented.
Updates FTW.
As a reply to AOCTester, defending what AoC is like right now is not right. Defending that it is buggy and has faults is not right.
Having fun with the game nonetheless however...well, that's something different. Some, like you, say that people can only get companies to improve by boycotting them. I don't think so. Not in this case anyway.
But maybe I just want to believe in the good intention of others. I want to believe that the developers behind AoC actually want the game to be good and are working to achieve that and doing what you suggest would more or less pull the plug for that endeavor.
So you see, we have two sides. You say, boycott them all so they realize this is not acceptable.
I say, support them so they can deliver what they actually want. You may call me a sucker and an idiot for trusting the game-developers to actually want to do their job right. *shrugs* But that is my opinion. That does not mean I don't point out faults and flaws and demand them to be fixed and that, if I don't see improvements coming, I will eventually stop supporting them.
I never stated that the developers of AOC dont want to make AOC the best game ever. But its not just up to them. Other reasons might have been why the game was launched half finished and basicly untested. The MMO companies in general might have to learn from this failure and actually set themselfs resonable goals compared to the finance and what they have promised to bring players.
But belive me. No one will learn anything from this if we all just take it lying down. I wont call anyone a sucker or idiot for hoping and wanting AOC to get better. I would love a mmo game where the devs do their job right. Fact is that Funcom have not done their job right. I judge them on what they have done already. Cause the game has already gone retail. PPL are paying for this. Dev's job should be done in terms of features and content at launch that has been hyped by themselfs. But instead their job is just beginning. Now they are gonna be fixing the basics of already promised content - while we, the costumers should be demanding them working on the next expansion and new content for us to enjoy. Not just fixing something that is broken. We could have started paying sub for AOC 5 years ago. But thankfully MMO gamers are asking for abit more now. AOC broke the pain barrier for many. Thats just how it is.
Dont listen to one word AoCTester says. Look at his past posts, not even one good post from this person. Please, leave the forum because truefuly, I nor many of us care.
That's a very meaningful and valuable, deep comment.... glad you shared it with us!
DB
Actually it is a good post. The AOCTester guy blames fc for his video card breaking during cb, since that time he has constantly spammed forums with complete and utter troll bait. This in itself isn't an issue, but AoC genuinely really does have a lot of issues and people like this just make it all that much harder for others to find out the real situation.
People used to come to this forum for the real opinion and views on a game but when a new game launches it has just become a place to smack talk and post bs. There are some good posters here who have good information why should we have to put up with idiots like this who hold a grudge as if a dev company personally insulted their family.
Find me the statement where I blame Funcom for breaking my Video card. Plz... Maybe read what I said here before. Beeing part of closed beta means you are there at your own risk. And before you continue to say Im here cause of broken video card, then maybe I should tell you that my GTX 8800 was still in 2 year warranty so I got a new one. In fact I got a 9800 GTX instead absolutly at no cost for me. There are some companies that DO actually have good services and keep their words.
But go on - plz keep going. Personal flames is something that ppl go for when they have no valid points to talk about. Your doing great job in that.
The point a lot of us are trying to make Aoctester is that some of what you are saying is just going little over the top. Like that they lied to me! i truly believe they wanted to release a game that was fit for launch, i truly believe that they wanted to implement DX10! i also believe they wanted sieges and pvp battles ready the day they launched and i also believe that at the start they planned all of this and that is not my definition of a lie.
A lie to me is when you say you will do something when you have no intention of ever doing it at all!
What i mean by it being a little sad is that you take so much time to gather so much information on a game that you dont even play or like! yesterday you posted a thread about the patch they were at the time implementing. you dont even play the Game and i do, yet you knew of it even before me lol! that's all i was trying to say. that would be like me picking something to slate and making it my sole purpose to destroy it...why? i just dont get it. ok i admit after all this time i stuck up for vanguard thinking they would deliver...they failed even me, but AoC? this is nothing like what i read! i hear all these game breaking bugs, but for me there arent any! not one single gamebreaking bug. ok there are many minor ones but most of them dont ever effect me.
Why so much hate towards a company that have released a product that thousands are more than happy with? so it's not your thing, no worries, sprouts are not my thing. but you dont see on any vegatable sites explaining why they are so bad!
AoC for you has failed! But for me and thousands of others and lets face it so far Subs wise AoC is a success! so does that not say to you that many of the things you are experiencing or rather many of the things that you are searching the net for, are simply not happening to all of us.
I just think you seem to be taking this way to personaly Aoctester. It's just a game that's all.
There are some good posters here who have good information why should we have to put up with idiots like this who hold a grudge as if a dev company personally insulted their family.
Funcom insulted my intellegence by putting this piece of crap up on shelves.
Maybe that's an ego thing then? I see quite a few very poor games on shelves, I can honestly say that not for one second did I feel that they had developed and released the game to personally get at me. I sort of thought maybe some others may like it and it could simply have been aimed at them instead.
----- The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
Dont listen to one word AoCTester says. Look at his past posts, not even one good post from this person. Please, leave the forum because truefuly, I nor many of us care.
That's a very meaningful and valuable, deep comment.... glad you shared it with us!
DB
Actually it is a good post. The AOCTester guy blames fc for his video card breaking during cb, since that time he has constantly spammed forums with complete and utter troll bait. This in itself isn't an issue, but AoC genuinely really does have a lot of issues and people like this just make it all that much harder for others to find out the real situation.
People used to come to this forum for the real opinion and views on a game but when a new game launches it has just become a place to smack talk and post bs. There are some good posters here who have good information why should we have to put up with idiots like this who hold a grudge as if a dev company personally insulted their family.
Find me the statement where I blame Funcom for breaking my Video card. Plz... Maybe read what I said here before. Beeing part of closed beta means you are there at your own risk. And before you continue to say Im here cause of broken video card, then maybe I should tell you that my GTX 8800 was still in 2 year warranty so I got a new one. In fact I got a 9800 GTX instead absolutly at no cost for me. There are some companies that DO actually have good services and keep their words.
But go on - plz keep going. Personal flames is something that ppl go for when they have no valid points to talk about. Your doing great job in that.
Far from actually attempting to flame you personally or belittle you I was in fact doing you favour. I thought that most people could in fact in some way relate to vengence, who hasn't persued it at some time or another.
If you are saying this wasn't the case that's fine and we are therefore left to draw our own conclusions as to why someone who was in beta and continually went out of his way to flame the game, then again when OB started did the same. All the while flaming those who said they liked the PvP weekend, acted like the cat who got the cream when the Fileplanet OB started with all the problems it had. And lets not forget whose entire account was created for the purpose of and has had no function other than flaming the game.
Then, after all of that went on to buy the game (and I'm basing guessing from track record will likely end up subbing). You have spent your entire time on this site doing nothing other than telling people not to buy/play/sub or go anywhere near this game, despite doing so yourself.
Oh wait I forgot you're doing it as a service to all the readers here to save them the trouble, damn dude your a fkin nice guy.
----- The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
The biggest Problem with AoCtester is he tries to make claims that just aren't true. He tries to claim that MMOs having problems are just not the norm.
Only 3 MMOs have launched without some major problems that I have ever played at launch:
Lord of The Rings Online. Of course Turbine had plenty of practice with the engine using it for AC2 and DDO.
City Of Heroes.
Dark Age of Camelot.
In all three cases the company behind the game had a TON of experience with MMO type games.
Turbine had AC1, AC2, DDO before LOTRO.
NC Soft working with Cryptic has been in the business for ever.
Mythic, While DAoC was their first new type of MMO. They had a ton of MMO type games on AOL and other systems like that. DAoC was actually a rework of an old game they had called Darkness Falls. (I think that is the correct name)
Otherwise every other MMO was plagues by tons of problems either right at launch or sometime in their game cycle.
And World of Warcraft - THE most overrated launch. People always wear rose colored glasses while talking about WoW. The game had a ton of problems and had class defining skills that were broken for years. (Vanish for Rogues). It also had a loot bug that locked up your character in that animation and caused you to have to quit the game. Rubber banding mobs, falling through the world, bugged resource nodes, broken classes that could solo kill raid mobs (Pally), missing content, etc.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Umm.. how was vanish broken. Sure, it has recieved numerous tweakings. But I don't think that there was any time when it was just plain broken and didn't work.
Umm.. how was vanish broken. Sure, it has recieved numerous tweakings. But I don't think that there was any time when it was just plain broken and didn't work.
Actually it didn't work. You would use it and the mob would still see you. You would use it and it wouldn't kill aggro. You would use it and an arrow in flight or a spell in flight would still hit you and take you out of stealth.
Trust me I played a Rogue from launch till a month or two ago. Vanish was BROKEN.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
The point a lot of us are trying to make Aoctester is that some of what you are saying is just going little over the top. Like that they lied to me! i truly believe they wanted to release a game that was fit for launch, i truly believe that they wanted to implement DX10! i also believe they wanted sieges and pvp battles ready the day they launched and i also believe that at the start they planned all of this and that is not my definition of a lie. A lie to me is when you say you will do something when you have no intention of ever doing it at all! What i mean by it being a little sad is that you take so much time to gather so much information on a game that you dont even play or like! yesterday you posted a thread about the patch they were at the time implementing. you dont even play the Game and i do, yet you knew of it even before me lol! that's all i was trying to say. that would be like me picking something to slate and making it my sole purpose to destroy it...why? i just dont get it. ok i admit after all this time i stuck up for vanguard thinking they would deliver...they failed even me, but AoC? this is nothing like what i read! i hear all these game breaking bugs, but for me there arent any! not one single gamebreaking bug. ok there are many minor ones but most of them dont ever effect me. Why so much hate towards a company that have released a product that thousands are more than happy with? so it's not your thing, no worries, sprouts are not my thing. but you dont see on any vegatable sites explaining why they are so bad! AoC for you has failed! But for me and thousands of others and lets face it so far Subs wise AoC is a success! so does that not say to you that many of the things you are experiencing or rather many of the things that you are searching the net for, are simply not happening to all of us. I just think you seem to be taking this way to personaly Aoctester. It's just a game that's all.
If you were in closed beta one week before launch and listened to Funcom publicly stating that the game would launch with all the features you just mentioned.... Then you would have known they were lying. I posted on the Closed Beta forums and asked Funcom and the devs to be honest about what was gonna be in the game at launch. They were not honest. Now all of a sudden they are talking about honesty and crap that many of the closed beta testers - under NDA at the time knew that it was the last thing on the devs mind when the game launched.
U can claim that I take gaming to seriously. Maybe I do. Cause someone has to do it. And I think alot more than just me see that AOC took it way over the line in terms of what is acceptable. I wouldn't really care at all if I hadn't spent over 400 hours testing this game and have seen the workmanship, the dishonesty and the unprofessional work that has been going on for the past 5 months. I think I have every right to point those issues out.
And be prepaired to see many more days with the servers beeing offline. But thats what some ppl are ready to pay for. The real story of AOC is just starting. Just wait and see where this leads. And dont claim that I didn't warn you.
The biggest Problem with AoCtester is he tries to make claims that just aren't true. He tries to claim that MMOs having problems are just not the norm. Only 3 MMOs have launched without some major problems that I have ever played at launch: Lord of The Rings Online. Of course Turbine had plenty of practice with the engine using it for AC2 and DDO. City Of Heroes. Dark Age of Camelot. In all three cases the company behind the game had a TON of experience with MMO type games. Turbine had AC1, AC2, DDO before LOTRO. NC Soft working with Cryptic has been in the business for ever. Mythic, While DAoC was their first new type of MMO. They had a ton of MMO type games on AOL and other systems like that. DAoC was actually a rework of an old game they had called Darkness Falls. (I think that is the correct name)
Otherwise every other MMO was plagues by tons of problems either right at launch or sometime in their game cycle. And World of Warcraft - THE most overrated launch. People always wear rose colored glasses while talking about WoW. The game had a ton of problems and had class defining skills that were broken for years. (Vanish for Rogues). It also had a loot bug that locked up your character in that animation and caused you to have to quit the game. Rubber banding mobs, falling through the world, bugged resource nodes, broken classes that could solo kill raid mobs (Pally), missing content, etc.
And the norm of MMOs should be unpolished and untested game at launch ? Are you then gonna be happy ? Is that the truth your looking for ?
Again and again and again. You dont defent a broken game by making excuses its not any worse than others. The fact is you dont see half of the things that are actually broken in AOC cause you havn't got that into the game yet. We are not talking about any minor issues. We have now had a game in retail for a whole month that is still unplayable for many cause of memory leaks, missing features and then lack of content + untested. Yes - you can add few games together and say they had same problems but thats false.
In terms of WoW. WOW did an open beta. I took part in it and I liked it alot. I desided to buy WOW cause I saw enough of the basic systems to see this game would be working longterm. That didn't mean it was perfect. Neither did it mean that this Open beta was perfect. But it gave the Devs chance to balance things - and it gave the gamers chance to see what the game was about, if it was running smooth and if it was something for them. Now... how many would buy AOC if you would have done one month of "open beta testing" like I proposed ? 3 months before launch I posted on closed beta forums a detailed post about how important it was for Funcom to launch a long term open beta to get any sort of balance AFTER they had actually implemented most of the chars abilites. But you know what ... Week before retail they changed the basic abilites of many classes and it went life untested. And you find it strange that we now have major balancing issues ? And you find it strange ppl are unhappy with those changes ? Would it be a problem if this was open beta ?
And before you keep going on about the bad launches. I also want to remind you that many of the most populare MMO games have had many many good and bugfree expansions launching. TBC launch is probably the smoothest launch ever of any MMO game considering there were millions of ppl waiting to log in. That doesn't mean that WOW was bugfree at launch. You can count alot of bugs like map bugs and class issues and so on. BUt we are not just talking about that in AOC. We are talking about whole systems broken. And ALL systems broken. There isn't a fundemental system in this game working at all. Even now they changed the lvling progress to slow ppl down to get to 80.
AOC has failed. And ppl like me are free to point out how and when it failed. I have been a beta tester for many years now (including private payed testing) and I have never seen as horrible and unprofessional work like the past 5 months. It was obvious that this launch would not be about bringing out a quality product. And the closer we got to launchday the quality control and just basic aspects that simply HAVE to be working were not even implemented.
And yes - maybe you say that its not true. But it surely is not the norm of MMO gaming. And I hope you agree with me that it should never become the norm of MMO gaming. If not then you are welcome to send me 15 bucks per month and I start working on a small coding software that will get patched every week or so. You have fun !
And the norm of MMOs should be unpolished and untested game at launch ? Are you then gonna be happy ? Is that the truth your looking for ? IT is impossible to fully test a MMO until you put it on the open market. Things that work with 300 people may break with 3000. No matter how many testers you bring in they will probably miss stuff that the players will find. Remember testers and especially developers have an idea how it is supposed to work and so they play the game expecting that. Players instead have no expectation and try to figure out the best way to make it work the way they want. So they find a lot of bugs and design flaws that will not be found otherwise. Again and again and again. You dont defent a broken game by making excuses its not any worse than others. The fact is you dont see half of the things that are actually broken in AOC cause you havn't got that into the game yet. We are not talking about any minor issues. We have now had a game in retail for a whole month that is still unplayable for many cause of memory leaks, missing features and then lack of content + untested. Yes - you can add few games together and say they had same problems but thats false. Vanguard had all of the problems on its own and way more. Anarchy Online had all the problems and way more as well. There are people having problems and then there are people with no problems at all. It is impossible once again for Funcom to fully test every possible configuration of hardware, software, and drivers that will be used to play the game. In terms of WoW. WOW did an open beta. I took part in it and I liked it alot. I desided to buy WOW cause I saw enough of the basic systems to see this game would be working longterm. That didn't mean it was perfect. Neither did it mean that this Open beta was perfect. But it gave the Devs chance to balance things - and it gave the gamers chance to see what the game was about, if it was running smooth and if it was something for them. Now... how many would buy AOC if you would have done one month of "open beta testing" like I proposed ? 3 months before launch I posted on closed beta forums a detailed post about how important it was for Funcom to launch a long term open beta to get any sort of balance AFTER they had actually implemented most of the chars abilites. But you know what ... Week before retail they changed the basic abilites of many classes and it went life untested. And you find it strange that we now have major balancing issues ? And you find it strange ppl are unhappy with those changes ? Would it be a problem if this was open beta ? WoW never had an open beta that was entirely open either. It had a period where they removed the NDA that is all "Open Beta" means. Lord of The Rings on the other hand had a more open beta with their fileplanet preview. Oh but wait so did Age of Conan. And before you keep going on about the bad launches. I also want to remind you that many of the most populare MMO games have had many many good and bugfree expansions launching. TBC launch is probably the smoothest launch ever of any MMO game considering there were millions of ppl waiting to log in. That doesn't mean that WOW was bugfree at launch. You can count alot of bugs like map bugs and class issues and so on. BUt we are not just talking about that in AOC. We are talking about whole systems broken. And ALL systems broken. There isn't a fundemental system in this game working at all. Even now they changed the lvling progress to slow ppl down to get to 80. So the bar is a company with pretty much unlimited resources who have released 1 expansion in about 4 years. I haven't seen these whole systems that are broken in AoC. I have seen annoying things like not being able to search for Gems on the trader, but that has been fixed already. WoW at launch was missing a lot of content and it took about 9 months before it was set pretty well for content. Then they turned around and completely changed their PVP system a couple of tames. WoW's fundemental PVP system didn't work at launch. AOC has failed. And ppl like me are free to point out how and when it failed. I have been a beta tester for many years now (including private payed testing) and I have never seen as horrible and unprofessional work like the past 5 months. It was obvious that this launch would not be about bringing out a quality product. And the closer we got to launchday the quality control and just basic aspects that simply HAVE to be working were not even implemented. I doubt you have even beta tested another game much less been payed to test if you honestly think that AoC is the most horrible and unprofessional work you have seen. And yes - maybe you say that its not true. But it surely is not the norm of MMO gaming. And I hope you agree with me that it should never become the norm of MMO gaming. If not then you are welcome to send me 15 bucks per month and I start working on a small coding software that will get patched every week or so. You have fun ! I don't see anything from Age of Conan that is different as far as running an MMO then any other company. Every single one of the 41 MMO games I have played/tested have been a similar experience in many ways.
Oh and by the way in my 60 levels of playing Age of Conan since Early access (for the retail client, I was also a beta tester) I haven't crashed to desktop a single time. I have locked up once. I am playing the game on a fairly mid Range system that I built for between 800-1000 dollars.
AMD 64 X2 4200+ processor
4 Gigs of PC6400 ram
8800GTS (g92) 512MB card
Windows Vista 64 bit Home Premium.
I play games on my PC and that is about it. I don't load up tons of crap taking up resources in my background. I don't get tons of spyware and malware making my system run like crap.
I have had one lock up and I wouldn't even blame it on Funcom. I had Windows Media player open with a movie loaded, I had Hulu open playing a TV show, I had iTunes loaded up playing music, I had WAR Beta open up and downloading an update, and I had Vanguard open up downloading the patches. On top of all that I had Age of Conan open and I was alt Tabbing back and forth while also reading websites in Firefox.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Hang on a sec...are you the same guy whos going by the same name whos slating AoC on virtually every other thread about AoC? and now they implement a patch and already you know the problems its caused? why do you still play the game lol? Oh wait it might be you dont but search endlessly for threads on how bad the game is lol. Thats quite sad hehe.
You can look at it as sad m8. I look at it diffrently. I want to play MMO games in the future that are actually delivering at launch - all those features the devs promised. And it has to have certain polish to.
Now.. .How will me talking about how bad the state of AOC is atm prevent more MMO games taking the same route as Funcom did with their unfinished game ? You go figure. If you can't then its not my problem.
I bought the game at launch so I could tell everyone accuretly about the state of the game and what the transactions from closed beta into retail actually brought us. Considering that it was supposed to bring sieges, spellweaving and dx 10... Then maybe you can see my point
God damn I wish that people could just play what they like and shut the fuck up about everything else. You don't like the game, we get it. Now move the fuck on and play somethng else. Jewses Christ all the whinning around here makes me want to stomp on flowers.
And the norm of MMOs should be unpolished and untested game at launch ? Are you then gonna be happy ? Is that the truth your looking for ? IT is impossible to fully test a MMO until you put it on the open market. Things that work with 300 people may break with 3000. No matter how many testers you bring in they will probably miss stuff that the players will find. Remember testers and especially developers have an idea how it is supposed to work and so they play the game expecting that. Players instead have no expectation and try to figure out the best way to make it work the way they want. So they find a lot of bugs and design flaws that will not be found otherwise. Again and again and again. You dont defent a broken game by making excuses its not any worse than others. The fact is you dont see half of the things that are actually broken in AOC cause you havn't got that into the game yet. We are not talking about any minor issues. We have now had a game in retail for a whole month that is still unplayable for many cause of memory leaks, missing features and then lack of content + untested. Yes - you can add few games together and say they had same problems but thats false. Vanguard had all of the problems on its own and way more. Anarchy Online had all the problems and way more as well. There are people having problems and then there are people with no problems at all. It is impossible once again for Funcom to fully test every possible configuration of hardware, software, and drivers that will be used to play the game. In terms of WoW. WOW did an open beta. I took part in it and I liked it alot. I desided to buy WOW cause I saw enough of the basic systems to see this game would be working longterm. That didn't mean it was perfect. Neither did it mean that this Open beta was perfect. But it gave the Devs chance to balance things - and it gave the gamers chance to see what the game was about, if it was running smooth and if it was something for them. Now... how many would buy AOC if you would have done one month of "open beta testing" like I proposed ? 3 months before launch I posted on closed beta forums a detailed post about how important it was for Funcom to launch a long term open beta to get any sort of balance AFTER they had actually implemented most of the chars abilites. But you know what ... Week before retail they changed the basic abilites of many classes and it went life untested. And you find it strange that we now have major balancing issues ? And you find it strange ppl are unhappy with those changes ? Would it be a problem if this was open beta ? WoW never had an open beta that was entirely open either. It had a period where they removed the NDA that is all "Open Beta" means. Lord of The Rings on the other hand had a more open beta with their fileplanet preview. Oh but wait so did Age of Conan. And before you keep going on about the bad launches. I also want to remind you that many of the most populare MMO games have had many many good and bugfree expansions launching. TBC launch is probably the smoothest launch ever of any MMO game considering there were millions of ppl waiting to log in. That doesn't mean that WOW was bugfree at launch. You can count alot of bugs like map bugs and class issues and so on. BUt we are not just talking about that in AOC. We are talking about whole systems broken. And ALL systems broken. There isn't a fundemental system in this game working at all. Even now they changed the lvling progress to slow ppl down to get to 80. So the bar is a company with pretty much unlimited resources who have released 1 expansion in about 4 years. I haven't seen these whole systems that are broken in AoC. I have seen annoying things like not being able to search for Gems on the trader, but that has been fixed already. WoW at launch was missing a lot of content and it took about 9 months before it was set pretty well for content. Then they turned around and completely changed their PVP system a couple of tames. WoW's fundemental PVP system didn't work at launch. AOC has failed. And ppl like me are free to point out how and when it failed. I have been a beta tester for many years now (including private payed testing) and I have never seen as horrible and unprofessional work like the past 5 months. It was obvious that this launch would not be about bringing out a quality product. And the closer we got to launchday the quality control and just basic aspects that simply HAVE to be working were not even implemented. I doubt you have even beta tested another game much less been payed to test if you honestly think that AoC is the most horrible and unprofessional work you have seen. And yes - maybe you say that its not true. But it surely is not the norm of MMO gaming. And I hope you agree with me that it should never become the norm of MMO gaming. If not then you are welcome to send me 15 bucks per month and I start working on a small coding software that will get patched every week or so. You have fun ! I don't see anything from Age of Conan that is different as far as running an MMO then any other company. Every single one of the 41 MMO games I have played/tested have been a similar experience in many ways.
Oh and by the way in my 60 levels of playing Age of Conan since Early access (for the retail client, I was also a beta tester) I haven't crashed to desktop a single time. I have locked up once. I am playing the game on a fairly mid Range system that I built for between 800-1000 dollars.
AMD 64 X2 4200+ processor
4 Gigs of PC6400 ram
8800GTS (g92) 512MB card
Windows Vista 64 bit Home Premium.
I play games on my PC and that is about it. I don't load up tons of crap taking up resources in my background. I don't get tons of spyware and malware making my system run like crap.
I have had one lock up and I wouldn't even blame it on Funcom. I had Windows Media player open with a movie loaded, I had Hulu open playing a TV show, I had iTunes loaded up playing music, I had WAR Beta open up and downloading an update, and I had Vanguard open up downloading the patches. On top of all that I had Age of Conan open and I was alt Tabbing back and forth while also reading websites in Firefox.
Again u start pointing at other games... You really dont get it do you ?
Vanguard ... ok - where is that game atm ? How many servers ? How many unhappy ppl were there at launch ? How many bugs and content featuers were not fixe long after release in that game - just because they didn't have the money to actually fix the basics - cause all ppl left after first month of retail ? Yes I beta tested Vanguard and I know how bad it was. I also know how bad AOC really is. After playing 400 hours +. And its going exactly the same route. And you think anyone will ever trust this company on the XBOX release ? HOw about actually fixing the PC version first ? HOw about getting DX10 working before they put more lies on the box for a console version ?
Nice you have not had any problems. That makes all others not telling the truth if they claim they have problems ? No - but I know you dont care abou that. SInce ur a MMO player only thinking about your own arse instead of grouping up with ppl. Thats not the norm of MMO playing . But if you were actually bothering with grouping and playing with others that DO have problems then you realise how that can never work in a MMO game.
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That's a very meaningful and valuable, deep comment.... glad you shared it with us!
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Actually it is a good post. The AOCTester guy blames fc for his video card breaking during cb, since that time he has constantly spammed forums with complete and utter troll bait. This in itself isn't an issue, but AoC genuinely really does have a lot of issues and people like this just make it all that much harder for others to find out the real situation.
People used to come to this forum for the real opinion and views on a game but when a new game launches it has just become a place to smack talk and post bs. There are some good posters here who have good information why should we have to put up with idiots like this who hold a grudge as if a dev company personally insulted their family.
No, that comment was truly, purely rubbish.
Yours, on the other hand, is a little more useful. I still don't think that topics should discuss poster personalities. Especially not with derailing original concepts, like this one.
DB
Rubbish? I really want to learn what your defination of rubbish is then because it 99% of what AoCTester or anyone who says this game is terrible is rubbish.
He posted TWO topic on how there is a lot of gold farmers, what MMORPG isn't there? Funcom failing to deliver on what they say, true, but we dont need 3000 people saying so. And he also has an abundence of negitive posts from other peoples topics. And he even advertised EQ2 on AoC forums...
Maybe it is a bit to far by saying dont listen to him, but he is no doubt a flammer and a troll.
EDIT: kaishi00 Is the perfect example
Funcom insulted my intellegence by putting this piece of crap up on shelves.
US servers have an ETA of 4:30 EDT. People seriously need to learn to read. The reason for removing topics from the forums board, is because several people are making the same dam topic threads, when they have already labeled one thread as the main one. Yet again, people not learning how to read. So im going to put this easy for you simpletons out there, if you cannot attempt to read or do a search, then just don't reply. And the forums were down for a quick sec for database issue's. Nothing big, and it happens to alot of companys.
People need to get over the "This game is garbage crap", thinking droves of people will follow them. This is a game people. Can some of you not understand that some people like this game? So what if they do, if it bothers you that much, go beg Mythic for a beta key. Regardless, these are video games, and if your going to go out of your way to prove how crappy the game is on a forums board, then you have already proved to us you have no life. To those who care, Alchemy is fixed and Gem's and SIlk's can now be seen on the trader, WOOT! Time to build me up a nice set of crafted/gemmed gear for soem hardcore grinding.
That's a very meaningful and valuable, deep comment.... glad you shared it with us!
DB
Actually it is a good post. The AOCTester guy blames fc for his video card breaking during cb, since that time he has constantly spammed forums with complete and utter troll bait. This in itself isn't an issue, but AoC genuinely really does have a lot of issues and people like this just make it all that much harder for others to find out the real situation.
People used to come to this forum for the real opinion and views on a game but when a new game launches it has just become a place to smack talk and post bs. There are some good posters here who have good information why should we have to put up with idiots like this who hold a grudge as if a dev company personally insulted their family.
No, that comment was truly, purely rubbish.
Yours, on the other hand, is a little more useful. I still don't think that topics should discuss poster personalities. Especially not with derailing original concepts, like this one.
DB
Rubbish? I really want to learn what your defination of rubbish is then because it 99% of what AoCTester or anyone who says this game is terrible is rubbish.
He posted TWO topic on how there is a lot of gold farmers, what MMORPG isn't there? Funcom failing to deliver on what they say, true, but we dont need 3000 people saying so. And he also has an abundence of negitive posts from other peoples topics. And he even advertised EQ2 on AoC forums...
Maybe it is a bit to far by saying dont listen to him, but he is no doubt a flammer and a troll.
EDIT: kaishi00 Is the perfect example
I have posted alot more than two topics about the fact that AOC was launched unfinished and not ready for retail. The economy system is one sign of that. Posting two simulare posts doesn't make them wrong. THe one posted last night was again based on the fact that there are ppl that are at lvl 60+ and havn't got a mount. That is calling out for cheating, exploiding and goldbuying. And where there is a market for it -there will be farmers and goldsellers. Counter to what most think - its the devs that deside how many of them are around. And its not done by banning ppl. Its done by creating a system that is build on balanced economy. I have already had the fastest mount in AOC in closed beta and I know its not worth the price Funcom has put on it. But still - its calling out for problems Cause ppl kinda get tired of running on foot through 3-4 zones to get to where they can actually lvl. And then ppl use exploids like kiling themselfs so they can jump automaticly to closest spawnpoint to get out of map. Thats an exploid in my book. MMO game should not be about kiling yourself and directly benefit from it. But ppl are not stupid. We will all go the easy route to reach our goals. That goes for both players and goldfarmers alike. And the easy route isn't always the devs route. Problems could have been avoided if half a brain was put into it.
About 3000 ppl saying so... - thats exactly the point. One person complaining about an MMO will not do anything. One person writing 3000 posts will not do anything. But maybe 3000 ppl that feel the same way and all post 5-10 posts about issues that have come up - then it shows a certain pattern doesn't it. And yes - some ppl put it forward in a nice way while others put it forward in not so nice way. And belive me - when you have had your 5th crash in an hour ppl tent to say something they wouldn't say on regulare basis.
For someone who doesnt care much, you seem to post alot about it. Its public forum. Put up or shut up.
I have posted alot more than two topics about the fact that AOC was launched unfinished and not ready for retail. The economy system is one sign of that. Posting two simulare posts doesn't make them wrong. THe one posted last night was again based on the fact that there are ppl that are at lvl 60+ and havn't got a mount. That is calling out for cheating, exploiding and goldbuying. And where there is a market for it -there will be farmers and goldsellers. Counter to what most think - its the devs that deside how many of them are around. And its not done by banning ppl. Its done by creating a system that is build on balanced economy. I played have already had the fastest mount in AOC in closed beta and I know its not worth the price Funcom has put on it. But still - its calling out for problems Cause ppl kinda get tired of running on foot through 3-4 zones to get to where they can actually lvl. And then ppl use exploids like kiling themselfs so they can jump automaticly to closest spawnpoint to get out of map. Thats an exploid in my book. MMO game should not be about kiling yourself and directly benefit from it. But ppl are not stupid. We will all go the easy route to reach our goals. That goes for both players and goldfarmers alike. And the easy route isn't always the devs route. Problems that can be avoided if half a brain was put into it.
About 3000 ppl saying so... - thats exactly the point. One person complaining about an MMO will not do anything. One person writing 3000 posts will not do anything. But maybe 3000 ppl that feel the same way and all post 5-10 posts about issues that have come up - then it shows a certain pattern doesn't it. And yes - some ppl put it forward in a nice way while others put it forward in not so nice way. And belive me - when you have had your 5th crash in an hour ppl tent to say something they wouldn't say on regulare basis.
Funcom knows that there is bugs and problems with the game, there is no need to reimburse it with 15 threads with the sam topic. What the majority of these forums are posting isnt suggestions, they are simply flamming this game. If they post something like funcom should fix X problem, then that is ok, but people are just plain out mindlessly blabbering about known issues.
You are the first in a while to actually post these problems. Go look at 8/10 threads, you will see the OP simply saying "ALOTZ OF BUGZ" and never addressing what specificly is causing him trouble.
I never stated that the developers of AOC dont want to make AOC the best game ever. But its not just up to them. Other reasons might have been why the game was launched half finished and basicly untested. The MMO companies in general might have to learn from this failure and actually set themselfs resonable goals compared to the finance and what they have promised to bring players.
But belive me. No one will learn anything from this if we all just take it lying down. I wont call anyone a sucker or idiot for hoping and wanting AOC to get better. I would love a mmo game where the devs do their job right. Fact is that Funcom have not done their job right. I judge them on what they have done already. Cause the game has already gone retail. PPL are paying for this. Dev's job should be done in terms of features and content at launch that has been hyped by themselfs. But instead their job is just beginning. Now they are gonna be fixing the basics of already promised content - while we, the costumers should be demanding them working on the next expansion and new content for us to enjoy. Not just fixing something that is broken. We could have started paying sub for AOC 5 years ago. But thankfully MMO gamers are asking for abit more now. AOC broke the pain barrier for many. Thats just how it is.
That's a very meaningful and valuable, deep comment.... glad you shared it with us!
DB
Actually it is a good post. The AOCTester guy blames fc for his video card breaking during cb, since that time he has constantly spammed forums with complete and utter troll bait. This in itself isn't an issue, but AoC genuinely really does have a lot of issues and people like this just make it all that much harder for others to find out the real situation.
People used to come to this forum for the real opinion and views on a game but when a new game launches it has just become a place to smack talk and post bs. There are some good posters here who have good information why should we have to put up with idiots like this who hold a grudge as if a dev company personally insulted their family.
Find me the statement where I blame Funcom for breaking my Video card. Plz... Maybe read what I said here before. Beeing part of closed beta means you are there at your own risk. And before you continue to say Im here cause of broken video card, then maybe I should tell you that my GTX 8800 was still in 2 year warranty so I got a new one. In fact I got a 9800 GTX instead absolutly at no cost for me. There are some companies that DO actually have good services and keep their words.
But go on - plz keep going. Personal flames is something that ppl go for when they have no valid points to talk about. Your doing great job in that.
The point a lot of us are trying to make Aoctester is that some of what you are saying is just going little over the top. Like that they lied to me! i truly believe they wanted to release a game that was fit for launch, i truly believe that they wanted to implement DX10! i also believe they wanted sieges and pvp battles ready the day they launched and i also believe that at the start they planned all of this and that is not my definition of a lie.
A lie to me is when you say you will do something when you have no intention of ever doing it at all!
What i mean by it being a little sad is that you take so much time to gather so much information on a game that you dont even play or like! yesterday you posted a thread about the patch they were at the time implementing. you dont even play the Game and i do, yet you knew of it even before me lol! that's all i was trying to say. that would be like me picking something to slate and making it my sole purpose to destroy it...why? i just dont get it. ok i admit after all this time i stuck up for vanguard thinking they would deliver...they failed even me, but AoC? this is nothing like what i read! i hear all these game breaking bugs, but for me there arent any! not one single gamebreaking bug. ok there are many minor ones but most of them dont ever effect me.
Why so much hate towards a company that have released a product that thousands are more than happy with? so it's not your thing, no worries, sprouts are not my thing. but you dont see on any vegatable sites explaining why they are so bad!
AoC for you has failed! But for me and thousands of others and lets face it so far Subs wise AoC is a success! so does that not say to you that many of the things you are experiencing or rather many of the things that you are searching the net for, are simply not happening to all of us.
I just think you seem to be taking this way to personaly Aoctester. It's just a game that's all.
Funcom insulted my intellegence by putting this piece of crap up on shelves.
Maybe that's an ego thing then? I see quite a few very poor games on shelves, I can honestly say that not for one second did I feel that they had developed and released the game to personally get at me. I sort of thought maybe some others may like it and it could simply have been aimed at them instead.
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That's a very meaningful and valuable, deep comment.... glad you shared it with us!
DB
Actually it is a good post. The AOCTester guy blames fc for his video card breaking during cb, since that time he has constantly spammed forums with complete and utter troll bait. This in itself isn't an issue, but AoC genuinely really does have a lot of issues and people like this just make it all that much harder for others to find out the real situation.
People used to come to this forum for the real opinion and views on a game but when a new game launches it has just become a place to smack talk and post bs. There are some good posters here who have good information why should we have to put up with idiots like this who hold a grudge as if a dev company personally insulted their family.
Find me the statement where I blame Funcom for breaking my Video card. Plz... Maybe read what I said here before. Beeing part of closed beta means you are there at your own risk. And before you continue to say Im here cause of broken video card, then maybe I should tell you that my GTX 8800 was still in 2 year warranty so I got a new one. In fact I got a 9800 GTX instead absolutly at no cost for me. There are some companies that DO actually have good services and keep their words.
But go on - plz keep going. Personal flames is something that ppl go for when they have no valid points to talk about. Your doing great job in that.
Far from actually attempting to flame you personally or belittle you I was in fact doing you favour. I thought that most people could in fact in some way relate to vengence, who hasn't persued it at some time or another.
If you are saying this wasn't the case that's fine and we are therefore left to draw our own conclusions as to why someone who was in beta and continually went out of his way to flame the game, then again when OB started did the same. All the while flaming those who said they liked the PvP weekend, acted like the cat who got the cream when the Fileplanet OB started with all the problems it had. And lets not forget whose entire account was created for the purpose of and has had no function other than flaming the game.
Then, after all of that went on to buy the game (and I'm basing guessing from track record will likely end up subbing). You have spent your entire time on this site doing nothing other than telling people not to buy/play/sub or go anywhere near this game, despite doing so yourself.
Oh wait I forgot you're doing it as a service to all the readers here to save them the trouble, damn dude your a fkin nice guy.
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UPDATE ON THIS PROBLEM:
Problem has been resolved by the latest patch. One day added to active players subscriptions!
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To little to late CANCLED subscription.
MAGA
I can tell you, cake is a lie
But on the serious note, I think this is exact solution to this situation, how it should be.
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The biggest Problem with AoCtester is he tries to make claims that just aren't true. He tries to claim that MMOs having problems are just not the norm.
Only 3 MMOs have launched without some major problems that I have ever played at launch:
Lord of The Rings Online. Of course Turbine had plenty of practice with the engine using it for AC2 and DDO.
City Of Heroes.
Dark Age of Camelot.
In all three cases the company behind the game had a TON of experience with MMO type games.
Turbine had AC1, AC2, DDO before LOTRO.
NC Soft working with Cryptic has been in the business for ever.
Mythic, While DAoC was their first new type of MMO. They had a ton of MMO type games on AOL and other systems like that. DAoC was actually a rework of an old game they had called Darkness Falls. (I think that is the correct name)
Otherwise every other MMO was plagues by tons of problems either right at launch or sometime in their game cycle.
And World of Warcraft - THE most overrated launch. People always wear rose colored glasses while talking about WoW. The game had a ton of problems and had class defining skills that were broken for years. (Vanish for Rogues). It also had a loot bug that locked up your character in that animation and caused you to have to quit the game. Rubber banding mobs, falling through the world, bugged resource nodes, broken classes that could solo kill raid mobs (Pally), missing content, etc.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Umm.. how was vanish broken. Sure, it has recieved numerous tweakings. But I don't think that there was any time when it was just plain broken and didn't work.
Actually it didn't work. You would use it and the mob would still see you. You would use it and it wouldn't kill aggro. You would use it and an arrow in flight or a spell in flight would still hit you and take you out of stealth.
Trust me I played a Rogue from launch till a month or two ago. Vanish was BROKEN.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
If you were in closed beta one week before launch and listened to Funcom publicly stating that the game would launch with all the features you just mentioned.... Then you would have known they were lying. I posted on the Closed Beta forums and asked Funcom and the devs to be honest about what was gonna be in the game at launch. They were not honest. Now all of a sudden they are talking about honesty and crap that many of the closed beta testers - under NDA at the time knew that it was the last thing on the devs mind when the game launched.
U can claim that I take gaming to seriously. Maybe I do. Cause someone has to do it. And I think alot more than just me see that AOC took it way over the line in terms of what is acceptable. I wouldn't really care at all if I hadn't spent over 400 hours testing this game and have seen the workmanship, the dishonesty and the unprofessional work that has been going on for the past 5 months. I think I have every right to point those issues out.
And be prepaired to see many more days with the servers beeing offline. But thats what some ppl are ready to pay for. The real story of AOC is just starting. Just wait and see where this leads. And dont claim that I didn't warn you.
And the norm of MMOs should be unpolished and untested game at launch ? Are you then gonna be happy ? Is that the truth your looking for ?
Again and again and again. You dont defent a broken game by making excuses its not any worse than others. The fact is you dont see half of the things that are actually broken in AOC cause you havn't got that into the game yet. We are not talking about any minor issues. We have now had a game in retail for a whole month that is still unplayable for many cause of memory leaks, missing features and then lack of content + untested. Yes - you can add few games together and say they had same problems but thats false.
In terms of WoW. WOW did an open beta. I took part in it and I liked it alot. I desided to buy WOW cause I saw enough of the basic systems to see this game would be working longterm. That didn't mean it was perfect. Neither did it mean that this Open beta was perfect. But it gave the Devs chance to balance things - and it gave the gamers chance to see what the game was about, if it was running smooth and if it was something for them. Now... how many would buy AOC if you would have done one month of "open beta testing" like I proposed ? 3 months before launch I posted on closed beta forums a detailed post about how important it was for Funcom to launch a long term open beta to get any sort of balance AFTER they had actually implemented most of the chars abilites. But you know what ... Week before retail they changed the basic abilites of many classes and it went life untested. And you find it strange that we now have major balancing issues ? And you find it strange ppl are unhappy with those changes ? Would it be a problem if this was open beta ?
And before you keep going on about the bad launches. I also want to remind you that many of the most populare MMO games have had many many good and bugfree expansions launching. TBC launch is probably the smoothest launch ever of any MMO game considering there were millions of ppl waiting to log in. That doesn't mean that WOW was bugfree at launch. You can count alot of bugs like map bugs and class issues and so on. BUt we are not just talking about that in AOC. We are talking about whole systems broken. And ALL systems broken. There isn't a fundemental system in this game working at all. Even now they changed the lvling progress to slow ppl down to get to 80.
AOC has failed. And ppl like me are free to point out how and when it failed. I have been a beta tester for many years now (including private payed testing) and I have never seen as horrible and unprofessional work like the past 5 months. It was obvious that this launch would not be about bringing out a quality product. And the closer we got to launchday the quality control and just basic aspects that simply HAVE to be working were not even implemented.
And yes - maybe you say that its not true. But it surely is not the norm of MMO gaming. And I hope you agree with me that it should never become the norm of MMO gaming. If not then you are welcome to send me 15 bucks per month and I start working on a small coding software that will get patched every week or so. You have fun !
Oh and by the way in my 60 levels of playing Age of Conan since Early access (for the retail client, I was also a beta tester) I haven't crashed to desktop a single time. I have locked up once. I am playing the game on a fairly mid Range system that I built for between 800-1000 dollars.
AMD 64 X2 4200+ processor
4 Gigs of PC6400 ram
8800GTS (g92) 512MB card
Windows Vista 64 bit Home Premium.
I play games on my PC and that is about it. I don't load up tons of crap taking up resources in my background. I don't get tons of spyware and malware making my system run like crap.
I have had one lock up and I wouldn't even blame it on Funcom. I had Windows Media player open with a movie loaded, I had Hulu open playing a TV show, I had iTunes loaded up playing music, I had WAR Beta open up and downloading an update, and I had Vanguard open up downloading the patches. On top of all that I had Age of Conan open and I was alt Tabbing back and forth while also reading websites in Firefox.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
You can look at it as sad m8. I look at it diffrently. I want to play MMO games in the future that are actually delivering at launch - all those features the devs promised. And it has to have certain polish to.
Now.. .How will me talking about how bad the state of AOC is atm prevent more MMO games taking the same route as Funcom did with their unfinished game ? You go figure. If you can't then its not my problem.
I bought the game at launch so I could tell everyone accuretly about the state of the game and what the transactions from closed beta into retail actually brought us. Considering that it was supposed to bring sieges, spellweaving and dx 10... Then maybe you can see my point
God damn I wish that people could just play what they like and shut the fuck up about everything else. You don't like the game, we get it. Now move the fuck on and play somethng else. Jewses Christ all the whinning around here makes me want to stomp on flowers.
I don't know if the Nobel people run an MMO section for heroes, but if they do you have to be in the running.
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Oh and by the way in my 60 levels of playing Age of Conan since Early access (for the retail client, I was also a beta tester) I haven't crashed to desktop a single time. I have locked up once. I am playing the game on a fairly mid Range system that I built for between 800-1000 dollars.
AMD 64 X2 4200+ processor
4 Gigs of PC6400 ram
8800GTS (g92) 512MB card
Windows Vista 64 bit Home Premium.
I play games on my PC and that is about it. I don't load up tons of crap taking up resources in my background. I don't get tons of spyware and malware making my system run like crap.
I have had one lock up and I wouldn't even blame it on Funcom. I had Windows Media player open with a movie loaded, I had Hulu open playing a TV show, I had iTunes loaded up playing music, I had WAR Beta open up and downloading an update, and I had Vanguard open up downloading the patches. On top of all that I had Age of Conan open and I was alt Tabbing back and forth while also reading websites in Firefox.
Again u start pointing at other games... You really dont get it do you ?
Vanguard ... ok - where is that game atm ? How many servers ? How many unhappy ppl were there at launch ? How many bugs and content featuers were not fixe long after release in that game - just because they didn't have the money to actually fix the basics - cause all ppl left after first month of retail ? Yes I beta tested Vanguard and I know how bad it was. I also know how bad AOC really is. After playing 400 hours +. And its going exactly the same route. And you think anyone will ever trust this company on the XBOX release ? HOw about actually fixing the PC version first ? HOw about getting DX10 working before they put more lies on the box for a console version ?
Nice you have not had any problems. That makes all others not telling the truth if they claim they have problems ? No - but I know you dont care abou that. SInce ur a MMO player only thinking about your own arse instead of grouping up with ppl. Thats not the norm of MMO playing
. But if you were actually bothering with grouping and playing with others that DO have problems then you realise how that can never work in a MMO game.
I don't know if the Nobel people run an MMO section for heroes, but if they do you have to be in the running.
Well - The Noble price are defently not given for the best or worst MMO games. Even if the board that makes the disssion is partly from Norway....
this is just getting funny now! you are right AoCtester
have it your way friend your much too in the know for me to argue with 
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