[quote] I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you aren't another WoW fanboy stirring up shit because a good game that isn't made by Blizzard is coming out. WoWs graphics are decent at best.[/quote] I did play WoW for 2 years and am playing EVE for a year now. And no, I aint no WoW fanboy but I do find the Blizzard style great (except for the WoW gameplay!). What I don't understand why don't they remove the ugly screens and replace them with newer versions? Maybe even place a new version of the same screenshot with the old screenshot so people can see the progress. For me, just like alot of others who aren't playing the beta, it's the information placed on the website that makes me decide to play or not. Placing and keeping, absolute screenshots they are giving me a wrong impression.
Really it is their fault for thinking that people could look at a date and figure out when the screenshots were taken. It was also their assumption that people could figure out that the game is still in beta and still being made! All those people who do projects and show photos of start to finish are misleading people! They might actually think that the half done project is the finished result!
I mean only Einstein himself could have figured all that out! Seriously though the screens are dated for a reason! To go back and retake all screenshots would be an annoying task to say the least. It is like asking all News agencies to go back to previous months news stories and update them with the outcome.
If you don't like the old screenshots then don't look at them. Look at the most current screenshots and thats it. They aren't giving you the wrong impression but rather you are drawing conclusions from things that are work in progress. Bottom line is you either don't like the style, which if you don't like it at this point then find another game or stop complaining, or you don't like the graphics(actual details) which are far and away better than say WoW. Armor looks like armor and not latex paint? The hell you say!
As for WoW style/graphics. I think they are the most MEH things ever. I can't say I was disappointed with them but never once in 3 years did I think they were great. You name it from color palatte to designs I could care less.
From what I have seen....graphics are WOW like...not detailed...not realistic....not crisp.Gameplay better be outstanding or this will be the second major flop this year.
From what I have seen....graphics are WOW like...not detailed...not realistic....not crisp.Gameplay better be outstanding or this will be the second major flop this year.
You obviously haven't looked at much then. You also obviously haven't followed many betas. You're like someone complaining about a half decorated cake. The closer the game gets to release, the better the graphics are going to look. When the final product is on the market, I think a lot of people are going to be sat down and shut up.
Edit: Of course, the fascination with graphics cracks me up too. If people want a pretty game to play there's a million f2p pretty grinders out there you can go prance around in. I personally want a little meat in my game, a little purpose, plot, fun...I know, crazy talk eh? If graphics are all you care about, there's plenty of eye candy out there for you to go get fat on. For those who want a little more from their gaming experience, WAR is looking like it plans to deliver.
I still can;t believe this thread has made it 6 pages so far about unfinished graphics... yes, I said it, UNFINISHED!!!
Originally posted by hbosman
"Instead of seeing ugly screenshots, why not see the improvements that have been made and stop being so fraking negative..." Problem is, they aren't showing progress.. I mean.. I was looking at the latest pics and find them ugly... You can call it negative, but don't forget it's my money they want and for now I don't find it worth my money (based on those pics).
Like it matters what you oranyone else thinks right now anyway? You CAN'T buy it yet anyway, so wait til release and then seewhat it looks like...
Or actually try it and see ifTHE GAME is good before you make a desicion based on something meaningless like graphics... this is a GAME, so rate it on GAMEPLAY
I think the character models look great but the envrionments just look plain bad.
I have to disagree. I think both the models and the environment look great and, above all, look like what Warhammer should look like. They look great, they look Warhammerish, and yet gameplay is smooth and will allow for some nice sized RvR battles. I can't ask for much more than that.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
I would play a MMO with Commander Keen style graphics if the gameplay was superb! I would not play a MMO that had outstanding, amazing graphics if the game was no fun.
Totally agree but understand this is not the 1990's anymore. Blizzard was was able to get away with it because expectations were low. Now that the gaming expectations are much higher people don't settle for less anymore either. Unless they delay the release I think what we are seeing is what people are getting graphics and gameplay wise. Wether people feel it is good or not it is up to them to decide.
I disagree... in trying to make the game look more 'real' they are in fact making it more ugly. Blizzard is one of the few companies who understands this. Just look at most WoW screens, they just look great... alive...
Why do you think retro gaming is growing? Great gameplay
I really don't 'GET' why you think WoW screenshots look so good, it's beyond my understanding how you can like WoW shots but not like WAR, since WoW is based off WAR the design is very simi8lar just older than WAR.
You have a strange way of looking at graphics if you find WoW shots somehow better. Very strange.
The thing that cracks me up about the whole graphics debate is that people keep forgetting that their computers have limits. Age of Conan has become a shining example of how graphics can both make or break a game. Yeah, it's graphics are pretty...and people's computers are melting under the strain. All the zoning and population restrictions you see in the game are there because of the graphics. AoC would have been fine as a single player game or small group, but in an MMO setting they bit off far more than they could chew, and it's ruining the game for a lot of people. WAR is going to be looking at HUGE battles, massive assaults on keeps and capital cities. Mythic knows better than to overdo it on graphics because of its experiences with DAoC. The graphics have improved a lot over the last few months but they're never going to look like AoC's because Mythic isn't being run by idiots. That's not to say that WAR's graphics are going to suck, you just have to look for more recent videos to see how things are progressing, for instance... http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/748723/warhammer-online-age-of-reckoning/videos/critical_hit_062008.html For me, that's more than sufficient, because the bottom line with games is that the gameplay is far more important than the graphics. Pretty graphics draw a crowd but gameplay keeps them there.
Couldn't agree more. The primary reason I didn't buy AOC was the gameplay. There is nothing innovative there and the graphics although great, lag the gameplay and make it just seem so artificial. I think EA-Mythics net coders have atleast half a brain unlike Blizztards, who designed a net code from ground up that coulnd't even handle 50 people assaults on Ironforge. Gameplay is king and will always remain king.
To ME, they stand just fine. I can GLADLY accept the game if it looked just like that. The fact that we know it will actually be BETTER is merely icing on my cake. I have long been a herald for the ideal that gameplay is lord of graphics, and not the other way around. If you disagree....then I would direct you toward games like Vanguard and AoC. They were designed with you in mind. Though...it would appear (judging by what I am seeing from feedback) that designing for graphics hasn't once landed someone in the piles of money yet. Perhaps next time, then? At least funcom made back its investment (if you assume they sold every shipped box AND score a 1/3 retention). I just don't see anything ugly in the pictures at all. It looks great fun to me. I rather hate realism....I can get all the realism I want by going to work. When I game, I want fantastical. I want something different...something I cannot see out my window. I see that crap all the time. I'm the kind of player that actually likes a good art direction....I love Cel-shading when done right. I loved the art in Legend of Mana, and play that game to this day. If anything, people don't need to defend Mythic at all. YOU need to defend YOUR stance here. Most of us find you both trite and silly for even suggesting what you do. I defy you to prove to me that you are neither in a manner of my liking.
First of all, I never said I want more realistic graphics, but that screenshot is plain ugly, realistic or not.
Infact I am a fan of graphics having their own artistic style and I am not saying either that WAR does not have that, the OTHER shots and movies shows some good stuff.
I've heard the mantra "gameplay over graphics" a millions times nowadays and while I can agree to a point with it, I also think that the graphics should be good enough or then no amount of amazing gameplay is gonna make the game succeed too much (*points to Roma Victor*), especially 3D games like this where you are supposed to lose yourself in a different world. Other genres have way less use for graphics, like, I dunno, turn based strategy games.
What is ugly in the screenshot? Textures are low quality, the ground is bare and just bad, the edges are all really ugly and not smoothed at all, you can see the pixels for crying out loud... it looks like a DAoC screenshot from oh so many years ago.
Now, the issue here is NOT that WAR graphics is bad, we have seen it is not, the issue is WHY is mythic posting these non excellent screenies on their official main warhammer web site.
Go check Games Workshop page, go check their models... do you see any unfinished, badly painted miniature there (beside maybe in the "learn how to paint section")? Do Ford shows you partially wrecked cars in their site? No? guess why?
But if you see nothing wrong in that shot, I guess we can't really have a debate
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
Y'know in a sense that might be decent as a reference shot though.
Yes, they should have good shots on their main site as attractions, but that is also a thing about where some games fail.
Having only photos of high end graphics just so the player hops in game and finds out they can't get the same quality out of their machine has turned off many people to games, and frequently seems to raise complaints when new one's are released.
So having images ad reference to what you might expect out of mid range or low settings might be nice as the players can see (hopefully) a decent transition without absolute loss of quality.
"Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
To ME, they stand just fine. I can GLADLY accept the game if it looked just like that. The fact that we know it will actually be BETTER is merely icing on my cake. I have long been a herald for the ideal that gameplay is lord of graphics, and not the other way around. If you disagree....then I would direct you toward games like Vanguard and AoC. They were designed with you in mind. Though...it would appear (judging by what I am seeing from feedback) that designing for graphics hasn't once landed someone in the piles of money yet. Perhaps next time, then? At least funcom made back its investment (if you assume they sold every shipped box AND score a 1/3 retention). I just don't see anything ugly in the pictures at all. It looks great fun to me. I rather hate realism....I can get all the realism I want by going to work. When I game, I want fantastical. I want something different...something I cannot see out my window. I see that crap all the time. I'm the kind of player that actually likes a good art direction....I love Cel-shading when done right. I loved the art in Legend of Mana, and play that game to this day. If anything, people don't need to defend Mythic at all. YOU need to defend YOUR stance here. Most of us find you both trite and silly for even suggesting what you do. I defy you to prove to me that you are neither in a manner of my liking.
First of all, I never said I want more realistic graphics, but that screenshot is plain ugly, realistic or not.
Infact I am a fan of graphics having their own artistic style and I am not saying either that WAR does not have that, the OTHER shots and movies shows some good stuff.
I've heard the mantra "gameplay over graphics" a millions times nowadays and while I can agree to a point with it, I also think that the graphics should be good enough or then no amount of amazing gameplay is gonna make the game succeed too much (*points to Roma Victor*), especially 3D games like this where you are supposed to lose yourself in a different world. Other genres have way less use for graphics, like, I dunno, turn based strategy games.
What is ugly in the screenshot? Textures are low quality, the ground is bare and just bad, the edges are all really ugly and not smoothed at all, you can see the pixels for crying out loud... it looks like a DAoC screenshot from oh so many years ago.
Now, the issue here is NOT that WAR graphics is bad, we have seen it is not, the issue is WHY is mythic posting these non excellent screenies on their official main warhammer web site.
Go check Games Workshop page, go check their models... do you see any unfinished, badly painted miniature there (beside maybe in the "learn how to paint section")? Do Ford shows you partially wrecked cars in their site? No? guess why?
But if you see nothing wrong in that shot, I guess we can't really have a debate
The thing is, Warhammer Online can only have so much artistic flair in the game due to most of the imagery is already well known and loved...
Changing things would piss off more people than it would make happy
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Really it is their fault for thinking that people could look at a date and figure out when the screenshots were taken. It was also their assumption that people could figure out that the game is still in beta and still being made! All those people who do projects and show photos of start to finish are misleading people! They might actually think that the half done project is the finished result!
I mean only Einstein himself could have figured all that out! Seriously though the screens are dated for a reason! To go back and retake all screenshots would be an annoying task to say the least. It is like asking all News agencies to go back to previous months news stories and update them with the outcome.
If you don't like the old screenshots then don't look at them. Look at the most current screenshots and thats it. They aren't giving you the wrong impression but rather you are drawing conclusions from things that are work in progress. Bottom line is you either don't like the style, which if you don't like it at this point then find another game or stop complaining, or you don't like the graphics(actual details) which are far and away better than say WoW. Armor looks like armor and not latex paint? The hell you say!
As for WoW style/graphics. I think they are the most MEH things ever. I can't say I was disappointed with them but never once in 3 years did I think they were great. You name it from color palatte to designs I could care less.
From what I have seen....graphics are WOW like...not detailed...not realistic....not crisp.Gameplay better be outstanding or this will be the second major flop this year.
You obviously haven't looked at much then. You also obviously haven't followed many betas. You're like someone complaining about a half decorated cake. The closer the game gets to release, the better the graphics are going to look. When the final product is on the market, I think a lot of people are going to be sat down and shut up.
Edit: Of course, the fascination with graphics cracks me up too. If people want a pretty game to play there's a million f2p pretty grinders out there you can go prance around in. I personally want a little meat in my game, a little purpose, plot, fun...I know, crazy talk eh? If graphics are all you care about, there's plenty of eye candy out there for you to go get fat on. For those who want a little more from their gaming experience, WAR is looking like it plans to deliver.
I still can;t believe this thread has made it 6 pages so far about unfinished graphics... yes, I said it, UNFINISHED!!!
Like it matters what you oranyone else thinks right now anyway? You CAN'T buy it yet anyway, so wait til release and then seewhat it looks like...
Or actually try it and see ifTHE GAME is good before you make a desicion based on something meaningless like graphics... this is a GAME, so rate it on GAMEPLAY
there is just one more thing that needs to be said :
I have to disagree. I think both the models and the environment look great and, above all, look like what Warhammer should look like. They look great, they look Warhammerish, and yet gameplay is smooth and will allow for some nice sized RvR battles. I can't ask for much more than that.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
Totally agree but understand this is not the 1990's anymore. Blizzard was was able to get away with it because expectations were low. Now that the gaming expectations are much higher people don't settle for less anymore either. Unless they delay the release I think what we are seeing is what people are getting graphics and gameplay wise. Wether people feel it is good or not it is up to them to decide.
I disagree... in trying to make the game look more 'real' they are in fact making it more ugly. Blizzard is one of the few companies who understands this. Just look at most WoW screens, they just look great... alive...
Why do you think retro gaming is growing? Great gameplay
I really don't 'GET' why you think WoW screenshots look so good, it's beyond my understanding how you can like WoW shots but not like WAR, since WoW is based off WAR the design is very simi8lar just older than WAR.
You have a strange way of looking at graphics if you find WoW shots somehow better. Very strange.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
anyone thinks wow graphics is better needs to have his eyes checked and brainwash undone period.
Couldn't agree more. The primary reason I didn't buy AOC was the gameplay. There is nothing innovative there and the graphics although great, lag the gameplay and make it just seem so artificial. I think EA-Mythics net coders have atleast half a brain unlike Blizztards, who designed a net code from ground up that coulnd't even handle 50 people assaults on Ironforge. Gameplay is king and will always remain king.
First of all, I never said I want more realistic graphics, but that screenshot is plain ugly, realistic or not.
Infact I am a fan of graphics having their own artistic style and I am not saying either that WAR does not have that, the OTHER shots and movies shows some good stuff.
I've heard the mantra "gameplay over graphics" a millions times nowadays and while I can agree to a point with it, I also think that the graphics should be good enough or then no amount of amazing gameplay is gonna make the game succeed too much (*points to Roma Victor*), especially 3D games like this where you are supposed to lose yourself in a different world. Other genres have way less use for graphics, like, I dunno, turn based strategy games.
What is ugly in the screenshot? Textures are low quality, the ground is bare and just bad, the edges are all really ugly and not smoothed at all, you can see the pixels for crying out loud... it looks like a DAoC screenshot from oh so many years ago.
Now, the issue here is NOT that WAR graphics is bad, we have seen it is not, the issue is WHY is mythic posting these non excellent screenies on their official main warhammer web site.
Go check Games Workshop page, go check their models... do you see any unfinished, badly painted miniature there (beside maybe in the "learn how to paint section")? Do Ford shows you partially wrecked cars in their site? No? guess why?
But if you see nothing wrong in that shot, I guess we can't really have a debate
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
I personally find the graphics better than Warcraft, which is appropriate since WoW spawned from WAR. I like the character customizations also.
Y'know in a sense that might be decent as a reference shot though.
Yes, they should have good shots on their main site as attractions, but that is also a thing about where some games fail.
Having only photos of high end graphics just so the player hops in game and finds out they can't get the same quality out of their machine has turned off many people to games, and frequently seems to raise complaints when new one's are released.
So having images ad reference to what you might expect out of mid range or low settings might be nice as the players can see (hopefully) a decent transition without absolute loss of quality.
"Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
First of all, I never said I want more realistic graphics, but that screenshot is plain ugly, realistic or not.
Infact I am a fan of graphics having their own artistic style and I am not saying either that WAR does not have that, the OTHER shots and movies shows some good stuff.
I've heard the mantra "gameplay over graphics" a millions times nowadays and while I can agree to a point with it, I also think that the graphics should be good enough or then no amount of amazing gameplay is gonna make the game succeed too much (*points to Roma Victor*), especially 3D games like this where you are supposed to lose yourself in a different world. Other genres have way less use for graphics, like, I dunno, turn based strategy games.
What is ugly in the screenshot? Textures are low quality, the ground is bare and just bad, the edges are all really ugly and not smoothed at all, you can see the pixels for crying out loud... it looks like a DAoC screenshot from oh so many years ago.
Now, the issue here is NOT that WAR graphics is bad, we have seen it is not, the issue is WHY is mythic posting these non excellent screenies on their official main warhammer web site.
Go check Games Workshop page, go check their models... do you see any unfinished, badly painted miniature there (beside maybe in the "learn how to paint section")? Do Ford shows you partially wrecked cars in their site? No? guess why?
But if you see nothing wrong in that shot, I guess we can't really have a debate
The thing is, Warhammer Online can only have so much artistic flair in the game due to most of the imagery is already well known and loved...
Changing things would piss off more people than it would make happy
I had recently seen some official screen shots that I thought were incredibly ugly, to the point of almost completely turning me off to the game.
Doing some more digging, I've seen plenty that look pretty decent.
I guess Mythic just needs to take better care in producing screen shots, or maybe get the guys in the marketing dept. a better PC!
Even in the best shots, the game is a lot closer to WoW than say AoC, but not as bad as I had feared.
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