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  • ASmith84ASmith84 Member Posts: 979

    lets get back to the original post please. we are going nowhere with this.

  • markoraosmarkoraos Member Posts: 1,593
    Originally posted by ASmith84


    lets get back to the original post please. we are going nowhere with this.

     

    Yeah... WH40K is on the way and I hope it rocks!

    My only fear is that if WAR turns out to be a huge success Sigil will try to copy it.

    Although I'm really in love with the way WAR is being designed, imo WH40K should be done in a completely different manner... for example I'm allergic to instancing but  imo WH40K would  make an awesome instance only game - similar to the way  EVE online works in that regard.

    Additionally since WH40K takes place in an essentially infinite universe, the strategic component that is WAR's most impressive feature would only get in the way there. It could really make one race = one faction thing work perfectly. It could bear much greater emphasis on guild play as well..

    Different solutions for different games and their IPs. There is never a perfect feature set that all games should use but imo Mythic has done a pretty good job at tailoring their game to the setting.

    (however some things like ToK, trophies and living guilds should definitely be included... heck imo all MMOs from now on should copy these!)

  • HazmalHazmal Member CommonPosts: 1,013
    Originally posted by ASmith84


    lets get back to the original post please. we are going nowhere with this.



     

    That was the point of the original derailment...you post something that has been posted enough times to make it easily searchable, yet you decide your time is worth enough to clutter up the forum with more useless garbage like this thread and this post that I'm making.

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    well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8

  • ASmith84ASmith84 Member Posts: 979

    Please look back at the first post. Then put your response. If it is not based on the first post then your just wasting your time.

  • WizardBlackWizardBlack Member Posts: 156
    Originally posted by ASmith84


    http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/home/flash/flash-cinematic.html
    but wait isnt this the game? quite the contrary, look at this.
    http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/home/flash/2008_03_VotM.html
    look familiar? maybe this will refresh your memory.

    Now lets compare. The first video looks awesome. It was dark and gloomy. It got very violent where you could even see blood. Then you see the next video. Less intense, no blood just some red lines come up, and cartoony. Then the last video what do you see? The same thing.
    I am not trying to say warhammer sucks or anything. All i want is it to look like the first video, more dark and violent like warhammer should be.

     

    Are you serious? You are comparing the advertisement to the beta footage (or game footage in general)?? You could easily do that for World of Warcraft or Age of Conan or..  Just about every MMO has a cinematic advertisement. And I tell you now, all of them would force you to conclude that the game "sucks" in comparison. How could you expect current internet and computer technology to provide a cinematic-level RvR combat with fifty persons to a side? You are clearly trolling.

  • ASmith84ASmith84 Member Posts: 979

    To give you guys an example of what im getting at lets look at conan's video and gameplay.  In conan's video you see a guy slashing and hacking away at some guys and cutting off limbs and stuff. It is very violent and bloody. What do you get in the game? Everything it promised in the video. you can cut off limbs and it is violent and bloody. Now i understand the graphics cannot be as good as in the video. But everything in the video is possible in gameplay.

    Now look back at warhammer. do you see blood? no you see this Koolade stuff once in awhile. Is it violent? No you stand in front of each other doing the same attacking motion until one of you falls over.

    This is what i am getting at. it is nothing like the video they promise us.

  • TheSheikhTheSheikh Member Posts: 804
    Originally posted by ASmith84



    To give you guys an example of what im getting at lets look at conan's video and gameplay.  In conan's video you see a guy slashing and hacking away at some guys and cutting off limbs and stuff. It is very violent and bloody. What do you get in the game? Everything it promised in the video. you can cut off limbs and it is violent and bloody. Now i understand the graphics cannot be as good as in the video. But everything in the video is possible in gameplay.
    Now look back at warhammer. do you see blood? no you see this Koolade stuff once in awhile. Is it violent? No you stand in front of each other doing the same attacking motion until one of you falls over.
    This is what i am getting at. it is nothing like the video they promise us.



     

    You have played the released version of WAR?

    Amazing......

    STOP WHINING!

  • oblivionateoblivionate Member Posts: 224
    Originally posted by ASmith84



    To give you guys an example of what im getting at lets look at conan's video and gameplay.  In conan's video you see a guy slashing and hacking away at some guys and cutting off limbs and stuff. It is very violent and bloody. What do you get in the game? Everything it promised in the video. you can cut off limbs and it is violent and bloody. Now i understand the graphics cannot be as good as in the video. But everything in the video is possible in gameplay.
    Now look back at warhammer. do you see blood? no you see this Koolade stuff once in awhile. Is it violent? No you stand in front of each other doing the same attacking motion until one of you falls over.
    This is what i am getting at. it is nothing like the video they promise us.



     

    It is in their business interest that they do not incorporate too much blood... Teen ratings sell higher than Mature rated games, just because of the larger audience it's opened up to (that's not to say people under 17 won't get Mature games, but it's just more commonplace that a Teen game will sell higher).

    Not everything has to be gory and bloody to be good in the MMO world; look at World of Warcraft.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=GFTWDJ25zdc

    Does the orc in Warcraft look anything like the one in that cinematic? How about the undead? Where I'm going with this is the cinematic always differs from gameplay, due to it being a GAME and all, and not real life.

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  • PureChaosPureChaos Member Posts: 839
    Originally posted by markoraos

    Originally posted by ASmith84


    lets get back to the original post please. we are going nowhere with this.

     

    Yeah... WH40K is on the way and I hope it rocks!

    My only fear is that if WAR turns out to be a huge success Sigil will try to copy it.

    Although I'm really in love with the way WAR is being designed, imo WH40K should be done in a completely different manner... for example I'm allergic to instancing but  imo WH40K would  make an awesome instance only game - similar to the way  EVE online works in that regard.

    Additionally since WH40K takes place in an essentially infinite universe, the strategic component that is WAR's most impressive feature would only get in the way there. It could really make one race = one faction thing work perfectly. It could bear much greater emphasis on guild play as well..

    Different solutions for different games and their IPs. There is never a perfect feature set that all games should use but imo Mythic has done a pretty good job at tailoring their game to the setting.

    (however some things like ToK, trophies and living guilds should definitely be included... heck imo all MMOs from now on should copy these!)

    iv been hoping the 40k would take good note of planetside, it needs to be a mmoFPS

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  • RageaholRageahol Member UncommonPosts: 1,127
    Originally posted by ASmith84



    To give you guys an example of what im getting at lets look at conan's video and gameplay.  In conan's video you see a guy slashing and hacking away at some guys and cutting off limbs and stuff. It is very violent and bloody. What do you get in the game? Everything it promised in the video. you can cut off limbs and it is violent and bloody. Now i understand the graphics cannot be as good as in the video. But everything in the video is possible in gameplay.
    Now look back at warhammer. do you see blood? no you see this Koolade stuff once in awhile. Is it violent? No you stand in front of each other doing the same attacking motion until one of you falls over.
    This is what i am getting at. it is nothing like the video they promise us.

     

    so you are saying that the trilers are a promise of what is to be in game

     

    WRONG....the Videos are just  a marketing tool to grab players to play the game

     

    i pay attention to the WAR podcasts and DEV videos to look at what they ARE promising..its the fetures not the blood..

     

    Conan promised a lot and didn't pull throught   atleast when the WAR devs make a promise they can't keep they TELL US instead of locking down fourms..for example AoC promised massive PVP   well...no not anymore now it is 48VS48..

    WAR promised us our characters would "grow" in levels  but know they have told us it wont make it to launch..

    and WAR will be like the video... battle between factions..thats all the video is showing

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  • ASmith84ASmith84 Member Posts: 979

    so when i watch a trailer of a movie i should not expect to see any of the scenes in the actual movie? Trailers are suppose to show you what is in it. I expected to see a very violent and brutal game but instead when i watch the beta movie i see cartoony characters whacking away at each other. I understand it is in beta but they gotta make it more brutal or something.

     

  • oblivionateoblivionate Member Posts: 224
    Originally posted by ASmith84


    so when i watch a trailer of a movie i should not expect to see any of the scenes in the actual movie? Trailers are suppose to show you what is in it. I expected to see a very violent and brutal game but instead when i watch the beta movie i see cartoony characters whacking away at each other. I understand it is in beta but they gotta make it more brutal or something.
     



     

    Did you see how monstrous the WoW orcs looked in the cinematic?

    And how did they end up in the game? Portrayed that same way? No.

     

    When you watch a trailer of a movie you should expect to see that in the movie, however, a game is very different.

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  • HazmalHazmal Member CommonPosts: 1,013
    Originally posted by ASmith84


    so when i watch a trailer of a movie i should not expect to see any of the scenes in the actual movie? Trailers are suppose to show you what is in it. I expected to see a very violent and brutal game but instead when i watch the beta movie i see cartoony characters whacking away at each other. I understand it is in beta but they gotta make it more brutal or something.
     

     

     

    For the millionth time, this isn't going to be a game where you literally cut things to pieces....and wow, I never thought someone would think a cinematic trailer would be indicative of gameplay; that has never happened in any game.  They make it look cool and exciting so you'll look into it more, it is a marketing ploy.

    And we are back to the "cartoony" argument, this is like a horrible version of groundhog day.

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    Originally posted by javac

    well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8

  • Falcon4196Falcon4196 Member Posts: 106
    Originally posted by ASmith84


    so when i watch a trailer of a movie i should not expect to see any of the scenes in the actual movie? Trailers are suppose to show you what is in it. I expected to see a very violent and brutal game but instead when i watch the beta movie i see cartoony characters whacking away at each other. I understand it is in beta but they gotta make it more brutal or something.
     

     

    They are making a T rated game here so there are limits to what brutality they can get away with.  It was just a tralier, they never turly reflect the final nature of the product.


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    Games I'm Waiting for: WAR, Stargate Worlds

  • nephren25nephren25 Member UncommonPosts: 143

    they have said that they are making a new trailer for the game with more class's in the game. if you had said that the trailer showed a slayer but the game does not have slayers at launch i would be more on your side but the vid shows the order vs distruction just like the game and yes orcs will be shot from catapult like the vid. the only real diffrence i saw in the vid and what is going to be in the game is the graffics that and slayers. and i have never seen a trailer for a game that was CG ever look like the game. cause there is no pc out there that could play a game that looked like that and it will a a long while till they can. and i seen somone one said that aoc did somthing new with BA graffics EQ 2 had the best graffics when it released so did vanguard and if i remember both of them games didnt do very well at all. look at how many pc's meet the specs of games like WAR and look how many pc meet the specs of AoC. how many ppl out there are going to buy a new pc just so they can play a new game not alot most ppl have to make do with what they have so if your game has lill lower end graffics more ppl can play and the more money your game CAN make. i hate WoW but do you think they would be anywhere near 10 mill subs if there game had BA gfx like AoC or Eq2 or Vg. if you do you are really high lol. if you want high end gfx go play aion if your pc can handle it

  • TheSheikhTheSheikh Member Posts: 804
    Originally posted by PureChaos

    Originally posted by markoraos

    Originally posted by ASmith84


    lets get back to the original post please. we are going nowhere with this.

     

    Yeah... WH40K is on the way and I hope it rocks!

    My only fear is that if WAR turns out to be a huge success Sigil will try to copy it.

    Although I'm really in love with the way WAR is being designed, imo WH40K should be done in a completely different manner... for example I'm allergic to instancing but  imo WH40K would  make an awesome instance only game - similar to the way  EVE online works in that regard.

    Additionally since WH40K takes place in an essentially infinite universe, the strategic component that is WAR's most impressive feature would only get in the way there. It could really make one race = one faction thing work perfectly. It could bear much greater emphasis on guild play as well..

    Different solutions for different games and their IPs. There is never a perfect feature set that all games should use but imo Mythic has done a pretty good job at tailoring their game to the setting.

    (however some things like ToK, trophies and living guilds should definitely be included... heck imo all MMOs from now on should copy these!)

    iv been hoping the 40k would take good note of planetside, it needs to be a mmoFPS



    On the Epic meter a Warhammer 40k MMOFPS ranks off the charts.

    I would gladly toss all of my other games out for a well made WH40k MMOFPS.

    STOP WHINING!

  • ASmith84ASmith84 Member Posts: 979

    Guys please understand what i am trying to say. What i am trying to tell you guys is that this game needs to be what the series is known for, a lot of violence and brutal moves. The 40k series was very violent and brutal. Mark of chaos(which is the same world as this game is based on) is very brutal with blood coming out from every swing. The mmo of this series is not that brutal or even the least bit intense. It is just like playing wow all over again but this time its to actually take over the other sides capital.

    I understand they want a t rated game. What i do not understand is why does it matter?  What should matter is are you making the game that you want. Does it potray the Warhammer world accurately? WIll it please the fanboys? If you do this than who cares what it is rated it will sell. Do not worry about beating wow cause unfortunately too many peoples lives are already lost in that game. What should matter is did you make the best Warhammer mmo that you can make?

    From wikipedia "Warhammer is notable for its "dark and gritty" background world". this is what i wanted this game to be like. Instead it is brightly colored like a fairytale.

  • TheSheikhTheSheikh Member Posts: 804

    The world will be dark and gritty, however because of the rating they are shooting for it will not contain excessive amount of blood and gore like the other Warhammer (40K) games (Dawn of War/Mark of Chaos).

    I understand your concerns, but I just don't think it will be that big of a problem.

    STOP WHINING!

  • JuankisJuankis Member UncommonPosts: 166

    I can't seem to get excited about the 40K MMO, as we all know that Space Marines will outnumber every other race by more than a wide margin. In this is a case I would have preferred if they had gone with the style of the PnP game and its announced expansions.

  • TheSheikhTheSheikh Member Posts: 804

    Nah, there are too many other choices for Space Marines to be terribly overpopulated.

    Sisters of Battle, Tau Empire, Chaos, Dark Eldar, Eldar, Necrons, Imperial Guard, Tyranids, and the Orks.

    STOP WHINING!

  • markoraosmarkoraos Member Posts: 1,593
    Originally posted by TheSheikh


    Nah, there are too many other choices for Space Marines to be terribly overpopulated.
    Sisters of Battle, Tau Empire, Chaos, Dark Eldar, Eldar, Necrons, Imperial Guard, Tyranids, and the Orks.

     

    Well anyway you turn the Marines are going to be overpopulated... for a lot of people it seems WH40K = Space Marines...

    That's one of the reasons why, imo, WH40K should be done in a more Guild Warsy style... No "true" open world but a huge collection of battlefields interconnected somehow. They don't have to be instanced, they can be zoned like EvE online. Whatever but the core design of the world should be able to bear massive population imbalances.

    Hmm, I'm really, really interested to see how's Sigil going to set up their game. Could be awesome or it could be total flawed crap.. most intriguing.

  • baso80baso80 Member Posts: 95

    SInce we are back, thx OP, to the Kiddy lvl again with WoW vs WAR, is WAR a WoW clone, why does WAR copy the first MMO in the history of games WoW, will WAR also have quests like WoW and so on...

     

    Does anyone have the funny "beat a dead horse" pic

     

     

     

     

     

     

  • RageaholRageahol Member UncommonPosts: 1,127
    Originally posted by ASmith84


    so when i watch a trailer of a movie i should not expect to see any of the scenes in the actual movie? Trailers are suppose to show you what is in it. I expected to see a very violent and brutal game but instead when i watch the beta movie i see cartoony characters whacking away at each other. I understand it is in beta but they gotta make it more brutal or something.
     

    only if that trailer is showing game play from the video game they are coming out with after the movie gets big. (see it works both ways)

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  • puma713puma713 Member Posts: 288
    Originally posted by Elivo
     Maby you should wait around for the mmo where you talk people to death or maby tickle them into submission.



     

    Ha!  Tickle-Me-Elmo Online.  Either that or Leisure Suit Larry Online.  Man, that would be interesting.

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  • PureChaosPureChaos Member Posts: 839
    Originally posted by markoraos

    Originally posted by TheSheikh


    Nah, there are too many other choices for Space Marines to be terribly overpopulated.
    Sisters of Battle, Tau Empire, Chaos, Dark Eldar, Eldar, Necrons, Imperial Guard, Tyranids, and the Orks.

     

    Well anyway you turn the Marines are going to be overpopulated... for a lot of people it seems WH40K = Space Marines...

    That's one of the reasons why, imo, WH40K should be done in a more Guild Warsy style... No "true" open world but a huge collection of battlefields interconnected somehow. They don't have to be instanced, they can be zoned like EvE online. Whatever but the core design of the world should be able to bear massive population imbalances.

    Hmm, I'm really, really interested to see how's Sigil going to set up their game. Could be awesome or it could be total flawed crap.. most intriguing.

    Do it like a planetside thing with the MMOFPS multiple sides balance issues out very easily, oh Space marines have the most but chaos,tau decided well fuck that. Certain races wont work in a MMOFPS mainly orks and nids and imerial for the fact of they rely on numbers.

    I could see

    SM,Chaos,Eldar,Tau,Dark eldar

     

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