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Is vanguard this bad?
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I only started playing recently but this game doesn't seem very good at all. It seems like a poor WoW clone with worse graphics and slower. I was really hyped to play this game after reading some good reports but playing it now just seems like a let down. It still seems buggy and nothing seems new or interesting.
Could anyone tell me what I should have to look forward too. Atm it just seems like the same old same old with a poor engine. I'm not here to slate the game but I feel a little let down after spending 12+hours patching it to find nothing new. I would love it if some experience gamers could let me know the big pros I should look forward to and aim for. Because as it is I'm really not sure if I have the patience to put in the hours for the same things I can find in another game. I'm a bit biased because my pc runs it ok but not as smooth as it could be and I might as well play a game where I can enjoy a smooth experince while putiing the time in.
I will be getting a new pc in the near (ish) future so if it's worthwhile I'd contine but as it stands it's not looking like a great investment of time. I feel bad asking this so early in playing but these are real concerns.
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I can see you've played 3000 hours of WoW, that may have a little something to do with it.
Anyway, IMO VG is one of the best PvE games out there. The crafting is pretty ineteresting, and it seems you were a little bit of a lower level before you reached it. I found it rather addicting.
I am reaching the grind though, but at the moment it's the best thing I can find on the market (that is released).
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seriously dont even start to compare this to WoW if anything its an EQ clone. ......god im so sick of WoW fanbios....its getting so old.
WoW IS an EQ clone. And VG is a WoW clone with worse art but more pixels. It has nothing to do with being a WoW fanbios (which is an interesting word, I assume you meant fanboi).
Once upon a time Vanguard was its own unique and interesting game. Then beta testers complained about the game being too difficult in Beta 2 and then Sigil radically WoW-ified it from that point on. The UI is virtually identical to WoW, at least on a superficial level. The combat and gameplay were supposed to be unique in Vanguard but wound up being more typical MMO-fare (and by association, WoW-ified). This game is A LOT like WoW. With the exception of world design, diplomacy, and crafting there's very little to differentiate it except that WoW is 100x more polished. Polish is something Vanguard severely lacks and will likely never get with the skeleton crew SOE has on the game.
In fact, I would argue Vanguard has more in common with WoW than with EQ, in a lot of ways. Vanguard's world design is probably what differentiates it the most from the two.
I would also argue that Vanguard has a lot going for it. The game radically improved the healer experience in MMORPGs, especially clerics. The ability to cast while moving certainly made casters far more interesting. Diplomacy is hokey in my opinion and not a very good selling point except to the people that already enjoy it. Crafting is probably the best since Horizons or SWG, but it's also tedious and also a minority selling point.
But most people like the OP are turned off by the game's lack of polish and all around amateurish appearance. A lot of this is because Sigil was a company full of untalented amateurs (a lot of the devs were very talented, but if you know the history of the company and the game you know this sentence is true). Vanguard is an okay game, with some amazing parts to it, but with a lot of ridiculously bad parts. And then you add in the community (or what's left of it), some of whom still think this game is for "hardcore players" and the "anti-WoW" when nothing could be further from the truth, I can understand why people are reluctant to get into the game.
I recently restarted with the free time offer they gave out the other day. And the very first thing I thought was "Either the people on the forums lied about how much the game has improved in the last year, or they're so used to mediocrity that they actually think this is improvement". I'm leaning toward the latter. I give SOE credit for keeping the game going and trying to improve it, but man do they have their work cut out for them. Vanguard is a mess.
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WoW IS an EQ clone. And VG is a WoW clone with worse art but more pixels. It has nothing to do with being a WoW fanbios (which is an interesting word, I assume you meant fanboi).
Once upon a time Vanguard was its own unique and interesting game. Then beta testers complained about the game being too difficult in Beta 2 and then Sigil radically WoW-ified it from that point on. The UI is virtually identical to WoW, at least on a superficial level. The combat and gameplay were supposed to be unique in Vanguard but wound up being more typical MMO-fare (and by association, WoW-ified). This game is A LOT like WoW. With the exception of world design, diplomacy, and crafting there's very little to differentiate it except that WoW is 100x more polished. Polish is something Vanguard severely lacks and will likely never get with the skeleton crew SOE has on the game.
In fact, I would argue Vanguard has more in common with WoW than with EQ, in a lot of ways. Vanguard's world design is probably what differentiates it the most from the two.
I would also argue that Vanguard has a lot going for it. The game radically improved the healer experience in MMORPGs, especially clerics. The ability to cast while moving certainly made casters far more interesting. Diplomacy is hokey in my opinion and not a very good selling point except to the people that already enjoy it. Crafting is probably the best since Horizons or SWG, but it's also tedious and also a minority selling point.
But most people like the OP are turned off by the game's lack of polish and all around amateurish appearance. A lot of this is because Sigil was a company full of untalented amateurs (a lot of the devs were very talented, but if you know the history of the company and the game you know this sentence is true). Vanguard is an okay game, with some amazing parts to it, but with a lot of ridiculously bad parts. And then you add in the community (or what's left of it), some of whom still think this game is for "hardcore players" and the "anti-WoW" when nothing could be further from the truth, I can understand why people are reluctant to get into the game.
I recently restarted with the free time offer they gave out the other day. And the very first thing I thought was "Either the people on the forums lied about how much the game has improved in the last year, or they're so used to mediocrity that they actually think this is improvement". I'm leaning toward the latter. I give SOE credit for keeping the game going and trying to improve it, but man do they have their work cut out for them. Vanguard is a mess.
A lot of what you say I'd almost agree with... I think any game in this generation could be called a wow clone very generally or maybe an eq2 clone since eq2 came out first
I would say that I feel the combat system and characters in vg are better then wow so evolutionary? I'd say wow has better customization, with eq2 being close and vg last. But VG has some of the most interesting classes.
Wow is without question most polished and has some of the best artwork.
VG has some of the technically and visually most impressive environments.
Where VG blows wow apart is on breadth. if you look at feature type list wow is a fraction of VG.
But where fun factor comes in I prefer eq2 most. Wow is good too but the constant solo gameplay and quest grinding gets rather old for me. VG is probably last on the overall fun factor.
but VG is probably first on the variety of things to do an entertainment factor.
If I was choosing a game to play my order would be EQ2, VG, Wow. I currently play eq2 and VG and canceled my wow account last month, actually the last active day was like 3 days ago. I haven't played in over a month and mostly had it active for my daughter who is now playing VG....
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Attack of wow fanboys ?
Vg is a wow clone, even Eve online is a wow clone, Roma victor is a wow clone, my computer is a wow clone, I'm a wow clone, my dog is a wow clone, my car is also a wow clone, my house is a wow clone i eat wow clones, i sleep on wow clones, i don't even have an Ipod but listening MP3 with a wow clone...
Thanks for this interesting thread.
A Wow clone
OP's xfire signature shows that he spend 3000+ hours playing WoW and a vast majority of VG players could not stand WoW for 3 hours...Ask on the official forum if you don't believe...
No my friend VG is totally not for you.
can i use this oppurtunity to ask if there is a way to get a free trail account to test the game?
I have 3 level 70s and on my main that is a level 70 priest in a starting sunwell guild that almost has 200 days played, i can say for sure that vg is nothing like wow and thats why i play vg before my guilds raids and thinks about vg whille raiding and i play vg after its done. its so refreshing no merloc jokes no chuck norris jokes, crafting is 100% better no instances no dumb battlegrounds for people to bot threw and spend more time fighting with each other then the alliance, no more silly dailie quests, im only level 15 pld in vg and i can say for sure its a 8/10 i give it an 8 beacuse somethings can be fixxed but they arnt major enough to stop playing over.
Just how many games have you played? I have to honestly say, though vanguard has some interesting things, like bloodmages...I liked that class, and they did some cool things with necro's and their pets..outside of some small things like that..I have to say Vanguard has about the worst pve I've ever seen, with the exception of Shadowbane.
Seriously...what a shallow and empty game.
Graphics are nice when they work. (They were much better the second time around..so they are improving drastically, much smoother.)
Engine Optimization is non existant.
There isn't really any real reason to actually DO anything. The quests were ok, but rather bland.
PvP was, well, the game never should have bothered with pvp, even as an afterthought.
Crafting was interesting if tedious...diplomacy was just in game Magic The Gathering kind of thing..or pokemon, something like that.
besides the buggy release, they fell flat on their face by being a game that advertised hardcore EQ1 style raiding....but they forgot to put the raids in.
I understand there are a couple raids now.
HEY ITS NOT A WOW CLONE ITS A GENRE CALLED MMORPG
NOOBS
Just how many games have you played? I have to honestly say, though vanguard has some interesting things, like bloodmages...I liked that class, and they did some cool things with necro's and their pets..outside of some small things like that..I have to say Vanguard has about the worst pve I've ever seen, with the exception of Shadowbane.
Seriously...what a shallow and empty game.
Graphics are nice when they work. (They were much better the second time around..so they are improving drastically, much smoother.)
Engine Optimization is non existant.
There isn't really any real reason to actually DO anything. The quests were ok, but rather bland.
PvP was, well, the game never should have bothered with pvp, even as an afterthought.
Crafting was interesting if tedious...diplomacy was just in game Magic The Gathering kind of thing..or pokemon, something like that.
besides the buggy release, they fell flat on their face by being a game that advertised hardcore EQ1 style raiding....but they forgot to put the raids in.
I understand there are a couple raids now.
Welcome to a year ago. Seriously, how long did you play, 30 minutes? This game is so bloody deep (I'm still digging dammit!), you have to dedicate time to it. If you feel that the game isn't for you, move on. But if you want a huge world, with lush environments ( I recall a recently released game that promised that and gave us a load of instanced crap....) then stick with it. This game isn't a shallow MMO with only a layer or two of exploration. Dungeons go DEEP in this game. All I will say is when you go into the swaps on Thestra in the later levels (45 - 50) working on your cloak quest, you'll discover a whole different area that you would have never known existed. It blew my mind! There's another spot in the mountains of North Eastern Thestra that leads to a 12 boss quest for the low 30's. Really well done, and no it's not on the map, you have to explore to find it.
Try some different classes too, it might just be that your play style would be more enjoyable playing something else.
of course its bad i ts SOE theyl soon stop adding updates to the game and let it rot slowely while they work on there new ga me
your dog is a wow clone
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Every mmorpg's has some good & bad sides.
I played them all since EQ1 & compared to others :
Vanguard's goods = best crafting around, immersive huge world, great graphics, tons of content, freedom of play.
WOW only beats VG with its PvP & polishing. For the rest, see above.
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Im not sure where the "worse graphics" comes from..
I can only assume your PC is so old that it was made when jesus was born.
There is only one single reason why I didnt play wow... the graphics! there are free mmo's out there which have better graphics, quite frankly they gave me a headache.
I would say VG is more like WoW with a twist of pure exploration and a hint of class seperation.
All in all, think of it this way: WoW has something like 10Million subscribers... Record numbers, lots of cash, and shows that this industry is actually an industry rather than a couple of games with big multiplayer. What do you think companies are going to do after it has that much success. Expect "WoW Clones", or as I'd say WoW with a twist games for a very long time.
If you didn't like wow, try some of the older games... EQ being my personal favorite. (Come on EQ LAN party disc release!)
http://spellborn.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
Seriously the SOE hate is just as old as all this WoW clone garbage. I suppose you are another one of those SWG "Vets" as they like to call themselves.
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I played 2 characters in Vanguard up to high 30s.
Time spent working on quest is not balanced well with the rewards... the frustration of getting a group for a 26 part quest... the nearly non-existant group dynamics... the choppy graphics... missives...
Vanguard made me want to hate the genre. Glad I'm done with it.
Soon developers will come to understand that they will NOT be able to emulate WoW's success. The only way to become successful is to make something new and innovative, and lets face it this is not going to happen for awhile. No one knows why WoW is as successful as it is. The game is no different from all of the other MMOs out there.
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I used to vehemently hate SOE for a bit. It was right after I quit EQ for the second time (just after I'd quit SWG for the first time). Since then though, they've done some amazing things. EQ is still going strong with a new expansion on the way (that'll make 15 of em), EQII is putting out some REALLY good content in their expansions and SOE saved Vanguard. Sure it's not as "hardcore" (and buggy) as it once was, but it definately has more of a broad appeal now. Keep in mind that VG has only been getting better and better. There is definately a focus on making this game better, and it's evident through the updates we see.
To those looking for a trial island, they are currently working on that as we speak and we should have it in the coming weeks. Stay tuned! In the meantime, I'm gonna work on getting my Scorpion mount for my Kurshasa Necro (think a cat person only cooler hehe).
/so agree
I believe trolling of Age of Conan is coming out of style so the trolls will go back to previous games untill WAR or WotLK comes.
But to pass the time, I will say to the OP what are your computer specs? a cleaned up pc from Goodwill or the Salvation Army runs WoW just fine. Not the case with VG. You need a fast single cpu because I don't believe the engine recongnized more than one cpu. So around 3g needed on cpu.
Video card. If your video card is not a 8800 512GT or better or 9 series of Nvidea, forget it. If you run ATI, the cards are slow and you need the newer 4850. Why? AMD recently bought ATI and the new technology is gonna give Nvidea a run for it's money, which is the 4850 and better.
Memory? 4gig
PSU? at least 600watt
I am no techy, and I know some will disagree or correct me, (which is welcome
But if you don't have the rig, play WoW instead.
I like VG myself. I hated it at first like everyone else but after being burnt out on WoW, VG give a breath of fresh air
VG have completely different gameplay compared to WoW. Game is to WoW like VG is a to virtual world. If you are just looking for a game that you have and achive specific objectives then VG cannot compare to WoW. But if you are looking for a freedom to choose the right path (and not waiting game to balance your gameplay) then VG is much better than WoW. Also if not so polished and smooth like WoW, VG have much more beautiful and realistic graphics.
Where themepark games try to hide that they are copying WOW, games like Mortal Online and Darkfall make no attempt to hide their inspiration
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"Weak WoW clone" ?? LOL
Vanguard is no WoW clone. It was long in development when WoW was released, and the designers didnt cared about WoW at all until it turned out to be such a success, which was a big surprise to them. Still they havent changed anything about Vanguard though, to "appeal" more to the WoW crowd. So Vanguard is ZERO WoW clone. It is an EQ clone like WoW, though. It was designed by people who also helped designing EQ.
And Vanguard is different in many crucial points. Like the seamless world, the huge gameworld as is, the many more races and classes, the fixed design of classes (unlike WoW where Druid seems to be able to fulfill EACH AND EVERY ROLE if you only have the gold to reskill them), the harvest (though WoW seems to contain something like that as well), the diplomacy, the crafting, and most importantly (at least to me) the much more complex, dynamic and interesting classes.
I had the same experience when I decided to give VG a second attempt several months ago. I had read a lot of positive comments about it on forums saying how it had improved a lot from the awful mess it was in when it first launched. So after installing and patching it I log in and......
Oh my god! It was still the hideously ugly mess that I remembered from a year ago! I have no idea why people are saying this game has got better because I could see with my own eyes how dreadful it still looked. The character models still look like stupid plastic dolls and they move like them as well (very shoddy animations). There also really isnt anything to do in this game that cant be done in WoW too. Its just grind grind and more grind......except it looks worse, has a lifeless gameworld with npcs that look like statues and it has less players in it.
I have been told that later in the game you can get decent armour and clothing which hides the ugly character models. The problem is that for me I like to feel attached to my character in an mmo (afterall its the only thing you can really affect in an mmo) so if he looks like a gay plastic manikin then its a complete turn off. You can also build houses and boats apparently too. Woopee! The diplomacy part was tedious and just didnt entertain me at all. I never tried crafting though which I hear is pretty good.
The thing is I really cant be bothered playing through a terrible game just so that I might get rewarded (oh lucky me!) with something a bit better much later in the game. I play a game like that already......its a very realistic mmo called "Going to Work". May as well just go and play a game thats good to begin with. So yeah OP I know exactly how you felt as I wanted this game to be good as well. Unfortunately it just isnt and will rapidly get overtaken by other games when they come out.
Dont feel bad about posting your thoughts about the game either. With pretty much every mmo, what you see at the beginning is what you will be seeing at the end too. They are all pretty much the same thing all the way through. Vanguard is no different.
WoW IS an EQ clone. And VG is a WoW clone with worse art but more pixels. It has nothing to do with being a WoW fanbios (which is an interesting word, I assume you meant fanboi).
Once upon a time Vanguard was its own unique and interesting game. Then beta testers complained about the game being too difficult in Beta 2 and then Sigil radically WoW-ified it from that point on. The UI is virtually identical to WoW, at least on a superficial level. The combat and gameplay were supposed to be unique in Vanguard but wound up being more typical MMO-fare (and by association, WoW-ified). This game is A LOT like WoW. With the exception of world design, diplomacy, and crafting there's very little to differentiate it except that WoW is 100x more polished. Polish is something Vanguard severely lacks and will likely never get with the skeleton crew SOE has on the game.
In fact, I would argue Vanguard has more in common with WoW than with EQ, in a lot of ways. Vanguard's world design is probably what differentiates it the most from the two.
I would also argue that Vanguard has a lot going for it. The game radically improved the healer experience in MMORPGs, especially clerics. The ability to cast while moving certainly made casters far more interesting. Diplomacy is hokey in my opinion and not a very good selling point except to the people that already enjoy it. Crafting is probably the best since Horizons or SWG, but it's also tedious and also a minority selling point.
But most people like the OP are turned off by the game's lack of polish and all around amateurish appearance. A lot of this is because Sigil was a company full of untalented amateurs (a lot of the devs were very talented, but if you know the history of the company and the game you know this sentence is true). Vanguard is an okay game, with some amazing parts to it, but with a lot of ridiculously bad parts. And then you add in the community (or what's left of it), some of whom still think this game is for "hardcore players" and the "anti-WoW" when nothing could be further from the truth, I can understand why people are reluctant to get into the game.
I recently restarted with the free time offer they gave out the other day. And the very first thing I thought was "Either the people on the forums lied about how much the game has improved in the last year, or they're so used to mediocrity that they actually think this is improvement". I'm leaning toward the latter. I give SOE credit for keeping the game going and trying to improve it, but man do they have their work cut out for them. Vanguard is a mess.
Thanks for a genuine honest reply, was a good opinion to hear.
Thanks Martie, yeah seems some people think it's cool and correct to marginalise the opinions just because someone played WoW.
@Zanfire - get back in your cage you retard. If you were able to read you see this wasn't just vanguard bashing but the way you leap to it's defense does make you some kind of fanboi, deal with it. People like different games.
Thanks for all your opinions though, I'm thinknig I might give it a miss for now then. I'll perhaps pick it up when I can upgrade my PC then the jerk quality won't detract so much.