It's sad because none of the info in this or any of his other threads has any bearing on the actual game. I could spend half my life digging up info on the Blizzard devs, but it wouldn't make any different to WOW, the game.
So too it is with Darkfall. You guys are crying vaporware based on a long development time - so what? Look at the videos released. Look at the screenshots. How anyone can go talking vaporware in the face of all this released media and developer information is beyond me.
And yes, it *is* a sad person who spends half their day googling for tidbits of info like this. Spending half your days googling for evidence of say, a 911 governmental conspiracy would be worthwhile, but digging up details of an unreleased MMO that has all the signs of being just around the corner is just... sad.
But hey, it's his life, if he wants to waste it, it's his prerogative to dig up this stuff, just as it is mine to ignore it as irrelevant. Any offence I may be causing is unintentional.
Give me a break. As has been mentioned, Aventurine's "pro testers" are interns, they dont get paid. At least those chickens get room and board for their work, but I still would not call them pro musicians.
Wouldn't that automatically mean that Aventurine have other testers in-house who are being paid? The fact they have a number of internal testers is more important than whether or not or how much they are being paid I would have thought.
However, what I think is sad is how you and others here take personal potshots at people who actually do some investigative work and time and time again refute and or rebuff the fanbois comments with facts. Were as the others and you included just spout rhetoric.
What are you calling dubious? Everything this guy turns up just ends up matching what Tasos is telling us - they are using internal testers, Aventurine is a legit company developing Darkfall, Razorwax is defunct or more likely a tax offset company, AVE is going to distribute Darkfall CDs in Europe, etc etc.
And then there are the copious videos and screenshots and interviews, all of which look good to me, even great. I especially love the aerdian cat video with the tree branches all independently swaying in the wind... amazing.
It's sad because none of the info in this or any of his other threads has any bearing on the actual game. That sounds a lot like wishful thinking and ignorance to me, or perhaps you did not read the information carefully enough, either way, that’s just my opinion.
I could spend half my life digging up info on the Blizzard devs, but it wouldn't make any different to WOW, the game. “half my life” is a preposterous exaggerated allegation, more like a few hours a day, for the last week, and as I said, finding this information can hardly be described as “digging” considering most of it comes up on the first few pages of google. What takes most of the time is scrutinizing it and posting it here, and defending myself against personal attacks and insults from people like yourself who appear to be somewhat disgruntled by the whole thing.
So too it is with Darkfall. You guys are crying vaporware based on a long development time - so what? Look at the videos released. Look at the screenshots. How anyone can go talking vaporware in the face of all this released media and developer information is beyond me. Yes I agree, the numerous and substantial reasons, many of which have been highlighted by myself here, as well as on countless occasions over the years by many people obviously are beyond you.
And yes, it *is* a sad person who spends half their day googling for tidbits of info like this. Spending half your days googling for evidence of say, a 911 governmental conspiracy would be worthwhile, but digging up details of an unreleased MMO that has all the signs of being just around the corner is just... sad. Again more Hypocritical and disingenuous insults and accusations. And yet the people like yourself, and the others who deem it necessary to spend their time defending and supporting a group of developers who have produced nothing for 8 years, by attacking anyone who they perceive as being critical is of course not “sad”, “pathetic” or a waste of time at all, now is it? As far as I’m concerned, after what I have found recently, Darkfall and Aventurine ironically have just about the same amount of credibility as any of the 911 conspiracy theory’s that you seem to think would be more “worthwhile” to investigate. I wonder if their is a connection there.
But hey, it's his life, if he wants to waste it, it's his prerogative to dig up this stuff, just as it is mine to ignore it as irrelevant. Any offence I may be causing is unintentional. Again, more hypocritical and disingenuous insults and accusations, the only people who are in any danger of wasting half their lives again ironically are actually the people who have supported and defended the developers of this game for 8 years, so far with nothing to justify their endeavor’s or their constant attacks on any of the disbelievers. Obvious you have not ignored this as irrelevant because you have been compelled to make an account or more likely another account to post yet more hypocritical insults and accusations , I presume as some attempt to discredit or dismiss me and this information, unfortunately for you, the facts speak for themselves.
It's sad because none of the info in this or any of his other threads has any bearing on the actual game. That sounds a lot like wishful thinking and ignorance to me, or perhaps you did not read the information carefully enough, either way, that’s just my opinion.
I could spend half my life digging up info on the Blizzard devs, but it wouldn't make any different to WOW, the game. “half my life” is a preposterous exaggerated allegation, more like a few hours a day, for the last week, and as I said, finding this information can hardly be described as “digging” considering most of it comes up on the first few pages of google. What takes most of the time is scrutinizing it and posting it here, and defending myself against personal attacks and insults from people like yourself who appear to be somewhat disgruntled by the whole thing.
So too it is with Darkfall. You guys are crying vaporware based on a long development time - so what? Look at the videos released. Look at the screenshots. How anyone can go talking vaporware in the face of all this released media and developer information is beyond me. Yes I agree, the numerous and substantial reasons, many of which have been highlighted by myself here, as well as on countless occasions over the years by many people obviously are beyond you.
And yes, it *is* a sad person who spends half their day googling for tidbits of info like this. Spending half your days googling for evidence of say, a 911 governmental conspiracy would be worthwhile, but digging up details of an unreleased MMO that has all the signs of being just around the corner is just... sad. Again more Hypocritical and disingenuous insults and accusations. And yet the people like yourself, and the others who deem it necessary to spend their time defending and supporting a group of developers who have produced nothing for 8 years, by attacking anyone who they perceive as being critical is of course not “sad”, “pathetic” or a waste of time at all, now is it? As far as I’m concerned, after what I have found recently, Darkfall and Aventurine ironically have just about the same amount of credibility as any of the 911 conspiracy theory’s that you seem to think would be more “worthwhile” to investigate. I wonder if their is a connection there.
But hey, it's his life, if he wants to waste it, it's his prerogative to dig up this stuff, just as it is mine to ignore it as irrelevant. Any offence I may be causing is unintentional. Again, more hypocritical and disingenuous insults and accusations, the only people who are in any danger of wasting half their lives again ironically are actually the people who have supported and defended the developers of this game for 8 years, so far with nothing to justify their endeavor’s or their constant attacks on any of the disbelievers. Obvious you have not ignored this as irrelevant because you have been compelled to make an account or more likely another account to post yet more hypocritical insults and accusations , I presume as some attempt to discredit or dismiss me and this information, unfortunately for you, the facts speak for themselves.
A few hours a day is half a (working) day, which is sad. Sorry if you don't like it. I hope someone is paying you for it...
I'm not spending any of my time on Darkfall except to point out the obvious, which is that Darkfall has 6 great videos and over 600 screenshots, which conclusively prove Darkfall exists, and has all the signs of becoming a GREAT game. If it doesn't come out, I've lost nothing, you've lost dozens of hours of work for what? Makes me think some MMO competitor is paying you to do this stuff cause no individual would be sad enough to devote their life to trying to find obscure minor details about a game in development.
With every disgruntled emo post, you just come off looking more sad and jaded, poor guy. Watch the Darkfall vids and screenies again IMO (conveniently linked in the sticky) and share in the Darkfall love.
By the way, are you the same person as Teedle in the Warcry journals? that guy was pretty shockingly disillusioned and illogical too.
It's sad because none of the info in this or any of his other threads has any bearing on the actual game. That sounds a lot like wishful thinking and ignorance to me, or perhaps you did not read the information carefully enough, either way, that’s just my opinion.
I could spend half my life digging up info on the Blizzard devs, but it wouldn't make any different to WOW, the game. “half my life” is a preposterous exaggerated allegation, more like a few hours a day, for the last week, and as I said, finding this information can hardly be described as “digging” considering most of it comes up on the first few pages of google. What takes most of the time is scrutinizing it and posting it here, and defending myself against personal attacks and insults from people like yourself who appear to be somewhat disgruntled by the whole thing.
So too it is with Darkfall. You guys are crying vaporware based on a long development time - so what? Look at the videos released. Look at the screenshots. How anyone can go talking vaporware in the face of all this released media and developer information is beyond me. Yes I agree, the numerous and substantial reasons, many of which have been highlighted by myself here, as well as on countless occasions over the years by many people obviously are beyond you.
And yes, it *is* a sad person who spends half their day googling for tidbits of info like this. Spending half your days googling for evidence of say, a 911 governmental conspiracy would be worthwhile, but digging up details of an unreleased MMO that has all the signs of being just around the corner is just... sad. Again more Hypocritical and disingenuous insults and accusations. And yet the people like yourself, and the others who deem it necessary to spend their time defending and supporting a group of developers who have produced nothing for 8 years, by attacking anyone who they perceive as being critical is of course not “sad”, “pathetic” or a waste of time at all, now is it? As far as I’m concerned, after what I have found recently, Darkfall and Aventurine ironically have just about the same amount of credibility as any of the 911 conspiracy theory’s that you seem to think would be more “worthwhile” to investigate. I wonder if their is a connection there.
But hey, it's his life, if he wants to waste it, it's his prerogative to dig up this stuff, just as it is mine to ignore it as irrelevant. Any offence I may be causing is unintentional. Again, more hypocritical and disingenuous insults and accusations, the only people who are in any danger of wasting half their lives again ironically are actually the people who have supported and defended the developers of this game for 8 years, so far with nothing to justify their endeavor’s or their constant attacks on any of the disbelievers. Obvious you have not ignored this as irrelevant because you have been compelled to make an account or more likely another account to post yet more hypocritical insults and accusations , I presume as some attempt to discredit or dismiss me and this information, unfortunately for you, the facts speak for themselves.
A few hours a day is half a (working) day, which is sad. Sorry if you don't like it. I hope someone is paying you for it...
I'm not spending any of my time on Darkfall except to point out the obvious, which is that Darkfall has 6 great videos and over 600 screenshots, which conclusively prove Darkfall exists, and has all the signs of becoming a GREAT game. If it doesn't come out, I've lost nothing, you've lost dozens of hours of work for what? Makes me think some MMO competitor is paying you to do this stuff cause no individual would be sad enough to devote their life to trying to find obscure minor details about a game in development.
With every disgruntled emo post, you just come off looking more sad and jaded, poor guy. Watch the Darkfall vids and screenies again IMO (conveniently linked in the sticky) and share in the Darkfall love.
You shouldn't pick on Polar like that, he prides his life on trying to prove that Darkfall will..... ... actually what are you trying to prove polar? You didn't really answer that question in my other post?
A few hours a day is half a (working) day, which is sad. Sorry if you don't like it. I hope someone is paying you for it...
I'm not spending any of my time on Darkfall except to point out the obvious, which is that Darkfall has 6 great videos and over 600 screenshots, which conclusively prove Darkfall exists, and has all the signs of becoming a GREAT game. If it doesn't come out, I've lost nothing, you've lost dozens of hours of work for what? Makes me think some MMO competitor is paying you to do this stuff cause no individual would be sad enough to devote their life to trying to find obscure minor details about a game in development.
With every disgruntled emo post, you just come off looking more sad and jaded, poor guy. Watch the Darkfall vids and screenies again IMO (conveniently linked in the sticky) and share in the Darkfall love.
By the way, are you the same person as Teedle in the Warcry journals? that guy was pretty shockingly disillusioned and illogical too.
If you have nothing to offer but thinly veiled insults, why dont you just drop it? Hopefully you are intelligent enough to recognize the logical fallacy in attacking the person rather than the argument.
Polar, as well as many of the skeptics here, do not think the game is vapor. But we read the signs quite differently than you. You see "great game", and we see "red flags". Experience is the best teacher, and most of us have heard this song and dance before. We are not skeptical because we were born mean, we have just learned not to swallow everything told to us, especially by those with a track record of failure to deliver.
Fair enough. It's not an ad hominem argument because I genuinely do feel sadness and pity for anyone spending as much time as Polar claims looking into this stuff, which I believe is largely irrelevant and definitely not my idea of a fun/enjoyable way to spend my time.
I am familiar with the whole Dark'n'Light story as one of my friends bought it. It's a classic case of a potentially great game being released too early. I have also read statistics about the high failure rate of MMOs in development.
If nothing else, I think we can agree that Darkfall has shown no signs of being "rushed out the door", nor is there any evidence of foul play anywhere, nor is there potentially red flags like a large number of pre-orders being taken. I think we can also agree that Aventurine has demonstrated they have solid financial backing and that it's highly unlikely they would come this far with Darkfall and suddenly fold.
Yes Aventurine has adopted the unconvention position of holding their cards close to their chest regarding certain game features and release dates, but I don't think you can equate these things to being 'red flags'.
I am glad you acknowledge the game exists and the movies/screenshots are not some elaborate ruse concocted in MS Paint like some others have suggested (LOL).
Fair enough. It's not an ad hominem argument because I genuinely do feel sadness and pity for anyone spending as much time as Polar claims looking into this stuff, which I believe is largely irrelevant and definitely not my idea of a fun/enjoyable way to spend my time. Why would you pity someone for spending their free time as they see fit? You are doing the same thing. Is it just a matter of degree? If I spend an hour it is cool, if I spend 61 minutes, I am pitiful? And are you the arbitor of what is relevant, fun, and enjoyable? Sheesh. Listen to yourself. I am familiar with the whole Dark'n'Light story as one of my friends bought it. It's a classic case of a potentially great game being released too early. I have also read statistics about the high failure rate of MMOs in development. It goes deeper than just DnL. If nothing else, I think we can agree that Darkfall has shown no signs of being "rushed out the door", nor is there any evidence of foul play anywhere, nor is there potentially red flags like a large number of pre-orders being taken. I think we can also agree that Aventurine has demonstrated they have solid financial backing and that it's highly unlikely they would come this far with Darkfall and suddenly fold. Rushed out the door? Actually, I think that is what is happening with the 2008 release announcement. They have not even done a decent beta yet. Some local unpaid interns isnt going to cut it. There is no evidence that they have strong financial backing. Where are you getting this? I am not worried about preorders. Those are not the red flags I refer to. The red flags: poor business practices, terrible PR, no experience, constant assurances that we are "just about ready" to start public beta since 2003, "pro testers" that are actually unpaid interns, misrepresentation of the state of the game over the course of years - just to name a few. Yes Aventurine has adopted the unconvention position of holding their cards close to their chest regarding certain game features and release dates, but I don't think you can equate these things to being 'red flags'. I can, and do. I am glad you acknowledge the game exists and the movies/screenshots are not some elaborate ruse concocted in MS Paint like some others have suggested (LOL). I will give you this one. Some critics go too far, IMO. However, the more I learn, the more I doubt. They might be right, just like you might be right, and the game will be all it promises. We can agree to disagree then. OK.
I am familiar with the whole Dark'n'Light story as one of my friends bought it. It's a classic case of a potentially great game being released too early. I have also read statistics about the high failure rate of MMOs in development.
I was one of the victims of DnL hoax so I feel like I have to give my opinion about that. Cuz it was a hoax and nothing else. It had nothing to do with a too early release. It was a huge hoax. They even tried to keep charging people even after they cancelled their accounts. I can't be more clear than that. It was and it is a hoax.
DnL had NO potential. DnL's written features had potential. All the development of that features into a working program was just a hoax. In the end, written text is not big potential; written text are just promises.
It's sad because none of the info in this or any of his other threads has any bearing on the actual game. That sounds a lot like wishful thinking and ignorance to me, or perhaps you did not read the information carefully enough, either way, that’s just my opinion.
I could spend half my life digging up info on the Blizzard devs, but it wouldn't make any different to WOW, the game. “half my life” is a preposterous exaggerated allegation, more like a few hours a day, for the last week, and as I said, finding this information can hardly be described as “digging” considering most of it comes up on the first few pages of google. What takes most of the time is scrutinizing it and posting it here, and defending myself against personal attacks and insults from people like yourself who appear to be somewhat disgruntled by the whole thing.
So too it is with Darkfall. You guys are crying vaporware based on a long development time - so what? Look at the videos released. Look at the screenshots. How anyone can go talking vaporware in the face of all this released media and developer information is beyond me. Yes I agree, the numerous and substantial reasons, many of which have been highlighted by myself here, as well as on countless occasions over the years by many people obviously are beyond you.
And yes, it *is* a sad person who spends half their day googling for tidbits of info like this. Spending half your days googling for evidence of say, a 911 governmental conspiracy would be worthwhile, but digging up details of an unreleased MMO that has all the signs of being just around the corner is just... sad. Again more Hypocritical and disingenuous insults and accusations. And yet the people like yourself, and the others who deem it necessary to spend their time defending and supporting a group of developers who have produced nothing for 8 years, by attacking anyone who they perceive as being critical is of course not “sad”, “pathetic” or a waste of time at all, now is it? As far as I’m concerned, after what I have found recently, Darkfall and Aventurine ironically have just about the same amount of credibility as any of the 911 conspiracy theory’s that you seem to think would be more “worthwhile” to investigate. I wonder if their is a connection there.
But hey, it's his life, if he wants to waste it, it's his prerogative to dig up this stuff, just as it is mine to ignore it as irrelevant. Any offence I may be causing is unintentional. Again, more hypocritical and disingenuous insults and accusations, the only people who are in any danger of wasting half their lives again ironically are actually the people who have supported and defended the developers of this game for 8 years, so far with nothing to justify their endeavor’s or their constant attacks on any of the disbelievers. Obvious you have not ignored this as irrelevant because you have been compelled to make an account or more likely another account to post yet more hypocritical insults and accusations , I presume as some attempt to discredit or dismiss me and this information, unfortunately for you, the facts speak for themselves.
A few hours a day is half a (working) day, which is sad. Sorry if you don't like it. I hope someone is paying you for it...
No, you've been spending hours since you made your new account trying to discredit abd argue down every point that's been made against Aventurine and Tasos. I'm sure you'll do the same with the next acccount and the next.....
I'm not spending any of my time on Darkfall except to point out the obvious, which is that Darkfall has 6 great videos and over 600 screenshots, which conclusively prove Darkfall exists, and has all the signs of becoming a GREAT game. If it doesn't come out, I've lost nothing, you've lost dozens of hours of work for what? Makes me think some MMO competitor is paying you to do this stuff cause no individual would be sad enough to devote their life to trying to find obscure minor details about a game in development.
Nothing has been "conclusively" proved, or you wouldn't be here trying to defend poor Tasos from the masses.
With every disgruntled emo post, you just come off looking more sad and jaded, poor guy. Watch the Darkfall vids and screenies again IMO (conveniently linked in the sticky) and share in the Darkfall love.
You look more like Aventurines' lapdog every time you post.
By the way, are you the same person as Teedle in the Warcry journals? that guy was pretty shockingly disillusioned and illogical too.
And you are? ditrknap69? downtoearth? Tasos ( or maybe his companion as much as you try to defend him )?
Originally posted by Keeper2000
Originally posted by chokepoint
I am familiar with the whole Dark'n'Light story as one of my friends bought it. It's a classic case of a potentially great game being released too early. I have also read statistics about the high failure rate of MMOs in development.
I was one of the victims of DnL hoax so I feel like I have to give my opinion about that. Cuz it was a hoax and nothing else. It had nothing to do with a too early release. It was a huge hoax. They even tried to keep charging people even after they cancelled their accounts. I can't be more clear than that. It was and it is a hoax.
DnL had NO potential. DnL's written features had potential. All the development of that features into a working program was just a hoax. In the end, written text is not big potential; written text are just promises.
I'm glad this post was made. chokepoint IS dirtknap69. He defends DnL as an "early release" and then plugs his ears when you try to point out the truth to him. Here's the thread where dirtknap69 became chokepoint after failing with the same "DnL was released early" bullshit: http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2142522#2142522 .
This guy will apparently defend any shady company.
As far as I’m concerned this is a thinly veiled attempt by someone probably using an alt account to get this thread locked so it does not remain on the front page, just as another member attempted to get my recent legitimate posts with relevant new information of the front page earlier by “bumping” 10-15 other posts simultaneously.
Its completely ridiculous and hypocritical for someone who created an account yesterday who all ready has 40 posts defending Aventurine and Darkfall by attacking anyone who is critical or skeptical to be lecturing me or anyone else about wasting their time, or being sad and pathetic.
Not to mention all the other defenders and supporters, many of which have obviously invested a considerable amount of time over many years into promoting this game who have behaved likewise in this thread amongst many others.
So far all I have seen from defenders and supporters of this game and its developers are personal attacks, hypocritical accusations, attempts at character assassination, and condescending dismissive attitudes.
But zero substantial evidence or facts to support their totally positive and optimistic outlook, nor to justify their dismissive personal attacks directed towards anyone who dares to question their faith.
And an apparent inability or reluctance to comprehend and elucidate exactly how many of these revelations can possibly be construed only as beneficial to the parties involved., which probably explains why they have attempted to dismiss them in their totality as being irrelevant.
In my opinion whenever someone has lost an argument they invariably resort to insults and accusations, or adopt a dismissive position, or simply go into denial and I get the impression this is exactly what is transpiring from what I have seen demonstrated so far.
And just to clarify, how can a process that I enjoyed be considered a waste of time?, discovering the potential numerous lies, inconsistencies and contradictions that have been propagated by the people behind this project and dogmatically regurgitated by its supporters for the last 8 years was gratifying and fascinating.
As I have already stated, the only people who I consider that actually have risked “wasting their life’s” are the people who have spent years defending and promoting the developers and their game which has been in various forms of development for 8 years which so far has actually never been seen by any of them, and which still has an uncertain future.
But I’m sure the saga of this games almost never-ending development will become even more engaging (or perhaps disappointing for some) over the next few months, as that potential “official” beta and launch timeframe inexorably shrivels.
Of course I’m sure the most ardent supporters will of already started making excuses and justifications on behalf of the developers well before the end of this year, and will have plenty of insults and accusations ready for anyone who dares to express their disbelief.
Oh and just because you may make multiple accounts on different forums to promote Darkfall and its developers and attack anyone who’s critical or skeptical do not likewise assume that I behave in a similar fashion.
Although you may find it difficult to believe, I do not post on any other game forums apart from this one, and unfortunately I do not get paid to make any of them, but if anyone is willing to pay me then I’d certainly be interested.
So I’m afraid your conspiracy theory’s are unfortunately about as inept as your attempts to support Darkfall and its developers.
Have you ever considered the possibility that their may actually be more then one person over a period of 8 years of failure that has wanted to express a critical or skeptical opinion at least once?
Styrets leder: The chairman of the board: Jade El Mehdawi, Himras 12 Kifissia GR-14562 Athen, Hellas Jade El Mehdawi, Himras 12 Kifissia GR-14562 Athens, Greece
In other words what the devs said was true, Aventurine, Tasos and Jade El Mehdawi took over razorwax. They were new large investors. And since polar you are so thrilled with Hennings comments. It the image article he talked about an investor coming in. My guess is that is Jade El Mehdawi. The time Mehdawi took over majority ownership of razorwax corresponds with date henning gives. And this does not sound like a scammed investor. Also sounds like an investor who knew he was getting involved with an MMO and not a Bingo company.
http://www.anvilsociety.com/wax/trondheier.htm "We think it's a bit sad to no longer be a part of the group and we really wanted to keep working with them. But foremost we are happy on the behalf of the guys", says Trond Heier Manager Intermedia Invest. He confirms that they no longer are a part of Razorwax, and that Razorwax is moving to Hellas (Greece). "The knowledge of this business among investors in Norway is relatively small. It's no environment to invest in games, and at least not in an early phase", he says. Intermedia Invest has within a period of two years spent three million kronor on Razorwax (Roughly 514,000 USD). "We've lost some money on this, but they needed more employes in order to finish the game. To find new investors was the only option they had", says Heier. NOW FOR Bye
Also the Loan i would like to comment on. This forum rightly found that the loan was basically to sell investments or shares of the company. But as far as we have seen no shares have been sold publicly. My guess it that was a loan taken out to distribute shares of the company too the different devs like henning and claus. Seems the most possible solution currently.
Now in responce to Tasos gaming history. If you wiki harvard extension school you will see that it is not an engineering or computer science school. It is mostly Liberal arts. The Degree tasos most likely recieved from those stated is a Degree in Publishing. Aventurine after all was originally setup for publishing. Given territories and other aspects it is extremely likely Tasos could of work on the publishing side of those games in different territories and not be seen on the credits.
It is possible, not "extremely likely" mind you, but possible that Tasos worked on a localization of those games. It's not what I would call working on the games themselves, but truth is sometimes those poor chaps only get mentioned in their respective versions. Things are changing greatly now, but now's now and then is then.
Assuming the above post is accurate, one has to ask, why did they keep Razorwax in operation and why did it go bankrupt? The developers never mentioned anything about Tasos and Jade taking over Razorwax and keeping it in operation, or any further plans with it. While they don't have to publish their internal dealings and decisions, you can't help but wonder about the reasons.
It is possible, not "extremely likely" mind you, but possible that Tasos worked on a localization of those games. It's not what I would call working on the games themselves, but truth is sometimes those poor chaps only get mentioned in their respective versions. Things are changing greatly now, but now's now and then is then. Assuming the above post is accurate, one has to ask, why did they keep Razorwax in operation and why did it go bankrupt? The developers never mentioned anything about Tasos and Jade taking over Razorwax and keeping it in operation, or any further plans with it. While they don't have to publish their internal dealings and decisions, you can't help but wonder about the reasons.
I do not think it was too totally screw over investors, I mean all the other investors are off the board once Mehdawi enters the pictures. So its not like they shut it down to knock the old investors out. My guess is he bought them out, then the company finally goes bankrupt when it does not submit paperwork. Plus there does not seem to be a lot of bad blood.
It is painfully obvious at least how amature especially in the early years this program was. There original idea was release a bugged crap versions to get people interested and pull in investors. They make tons of references too how AC was created off the fly. But i think that analogy is kind of bad due to the different nature of the playing field when AC was created. Not to mention AC was created by MIT grad student Artifcially intelligent, and had over 70 who had worked on it by the time of release. Many of them other genius MIT kids who like projects like that.
Now for the big Question who the hell is Jade El Mehdawi, and why is he so damn patient with this game.
Really confusing though. In IGN interviews well past 2003, the devs are referred to as Razorwax. I guess that was from the time when Aventurine was the 'publisher'. In this article, Jade makes it sound like Aventurine was company doing dev back in 2002. Oh, what a tangled web!
I don't think they're doing or have done anything to purposely screw investors, nor anything truly bad in intentions so far. They're just doing a lousy job at many things. I don't think there's a big conspiracy or anything, just enthusiastic incompetence at work. Hopefully they'll shape up and everything will be up to standards.
Like I said earlier, what ultimately matters is not what might of happened in the past, but what happens in the next few months concerning Darkfall’s publishing, distribution, public Beta and launch etc.
I might be wrong about nearly everything (which I doubt), but the only thing that would prove that is Darkfall successfully launching this year with the majority of its proposed features and content implemented.
The information in this thread is open to interpretation, what is not open to interpretation is if Darkfall again fails to start open beta and launch this year, as the developers have “officially” publicly committed themselves to doing so.
This information in isolation is generally inexplicable and inconclusive but when we also take into consideration the 8 year development history of this game and the people involved with it, in my opinion it strongly indicates that if this game does not successfully launch this year or at the very least start public beta, it probably never will.
For me personally the highly unlikely “magic” chance that maybe just maybe these guys could, maybe, might just pull it of despite their many trials and tribulations and all the obstacle’s along the way is no longer even a remote possibility anymore.
Like I’ve always said I would welcome being proved wrong and hopefully I will be by the end of the year, but all things considered, unfortunately I very much doubt I will be.
You shouldn't pick on Polar like that, he prides his life on trying to prove that Darkfall will..... ... actually what are you trying to prove polar? You didn't really answer that question in my other post?
I’m not trying to “prove” anything, because I don’t have an agenda or any preconceived notions that I feel compelled to rigidly conform to despite whatever may be presented to the contrary.
All I did was to disclose all the information that I found related to this project after looking for a few hours a day over a 2 week period (a process which I found much more enjoyable and entertaining then playing many of the current MMO‘s instead ), and offering my opinion of what that information probably implies considering the history of this project.
As I said anyone else is welcome to form their own opinion of what it means or if they are so inclined dismiss it entirely as being irrelevant, or perhaps feel motivated to do some research themselves and add to the body of evidence or unfortunately much more likely just personally attack me.
As far as I’m concerned, the shroud of mystery or the enigma surrounding this project and the people involved with is has been removed, and I now I feel I have answers to all the questions that perplexed and puzzled me over the years and caused to me entertain the possibility that perhaps this project may have a chance of success no matter how unlikely I thought that to be.
But if Darkfall does launch successfully this year, and it has all the content and features the developers have been talking about since 2001, then I will be happy to admit that I was wrong, but considering all this, if it does not then it can hardly be considered a surprise or a disappointment.
I have no education ( no degree ) started on cleaning jobs, worked in a few shop, played whit my pc. now im a store manager in controll of 15 souls, took me four years.
I wonder were the old median and UO devs got there exp from when they started to make those games.
point is : do not judge on halfbaked internet info . everyone can do anyting, just takes time, passion and fate in your own dream.
this discussion is totaly useless. have fate or dont have it.. dont mather to anyone but yourself
Spoken like a true believer and a certified anachronism, I salute you!, fortunately for some of us the Dark ages ended with something called the enlightenment a few hundred years ago.
Now many of us actually require substantial empirical evidence especially after 8 years before we start believing, and no longer reside exclusively in the false comfort of faith, hope, and fantasy, nor do we see any rational justification for them at this stage.
Now if you will excuse me, after taking your excellent advice, I have decided to embark on developing Darkfall 2, which will eventually definitely be successfully released, and will be at least twice as good, because of course, its irrelevant that myself or anyone else who may be involved has no or little prior relevant experience, because anyone can do anything, its just takes time (hopefully not over 8 years though) and ample passion and faith in a dream, which is all I need to succeed, and because I have faith and passion any attempt to dissuade me or debate about my chances of success will be totally useless, and any of the details or fundamental facts concerning my project are of course irrelevant, simply because I have faith and passion and because I consider I am predetermined by fate to succeed.
I suggest you drop Darkfall 2 and develop cold fusion or a perpetual movement machine, it will end up being far more useful. Or do all of them, maybe a simultaneous release? It only depends on your time, passion and faith after all.
Jest aside, Polarization, I think you may be writing it off a bit too hastily given the circumstances. This is the final stretch, for better or for worse. In the next few months we will definitely be seeing either how miraculous Aventurine is, or how full of lies they are. Schrodinger's DF is going to get "observed" soon, so if you've been around for years, what's a couple of months more? Better to make sure the zombie is dead before you walk away.
Silvarch I do appreciate I have a tendency to waffle on a bit, but I do believe one of the recent things I have said was:
“This information in isolation is generally inexplicable and inconclusive but when we also take into consideration the 8 year development history of this game and the people involved with it, in my opinion it strongly indicates that if this game does not successfully launch this year or at the very least start public beta, it probably never will.”
So I can assure you I have every intention of at least sticking around until the end of the year before I draw any final conclusion, but I do feel room for debate or speculation amongst the community is finally waning in preference of the self inflicted burden of revelation forming upon the developers themselves.
This is obviously always the most exciting and rewarding part, whichever way things turn out, but on the other hand I still have no illusions or expectations that if Darkfall does not start beta and launch this year it will definitely lead to some final conclusion or offer any satisfying resolution.
From what I think I know about it’s “development”, the process can continue almost indefinitely, it simply depends on the determination of the party’s involved, and the propensity of its community to continue forlornly waiting.
"As far as publishing activities go, we're working on the servers, customer and technical support, billing, and distribution solutions along with our partners."
These “partners” could possibly include these 2 Greek company’s mentioned as attending the recent second Greek gaming conference where Aventurine also made a presentation of Darkfall, in this article:
Of course until an official announcement is made this is purely speculation on my part, but we do know that Aventurine has at least publicly presented Darkfall to representatives from both these company’s.
Found some more information about the illusive Executive producer, part owner / investor of Aventurine and 50% shareholder in and chairman of the board of Razorwax.
He’s on the excutive board who recently in Moscow elected the vice chairman for the european confederation of Modern Pentathlon for 2009-2012.
VALTER MAGINI ELECTED VICE PRESIDENT OF EUROPEAN CONFEREDAZIONE
21/7/2008 - 11:21
It was held in Moscow, the Congress elected the European Confederation of Modern Pentathlon for 2009-2012: RiconfermatoPresidente Dmitry Svatkovsky (RUS) Vice Chairman: Valter Magini (ITA) and Andreas Feldmanis (LAT). Executive Board: Jiri Hrdlicka (CZE), Andreas Heise (GER), Erik Lakomaa (SWE), Jade El Mehdawi (GRE), Honorary Auditors: Slavomir Kopec (POL), Alexander Peirits (AUT) press office
He also was from 2000- 2004 or probebly still currently is the president of the Hellenic Federation of Modern Pentathlon.
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It's sad because none of the info in this or any of his other threads has any bearing on the actual game. I could spend half my life digging up info on the Blizzard devs, but it wouldn't make any different to WOW, the game.
So too it is with Darkfall. You guys are crying vaporware based on a long development time - so what? Look at the videos released. Look at the screenshots. How anyone can go talking vaporware in the face of all this released media and developer information is beyond me.
And yes, it *is* a sad person who spends half their day googling for tidbits of info like this. Spending half your days googling for evidence of say, a 911 governmental conspiracy would be worthwhile, but digging up details of an unreleased MMO that has all the signs of being just around the corner is just... sad.
But hey, it's his life, if he wants to waste it, it's his prerogative to dig up this stuff, just as it is mine to ignore it as irrelevant. Any offence I may be causing is unintentional.
So, these chickens are professional musicians?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFKfIkSzQp4&feature=related
Give me a break. As has been mentioned, Aventurine's "pro testers" are interns, they dont get paid. At least those chickens get room and board for their work, but I still would not call them pro musicians.
Wouldn't that automatically mean that Aventurine have other testers in-house who are being paid? The fact they have a number of internal testers is more important than whether or not or how much they are being paid I would have thought.
What are you calling dubious? Everything this guy turns up just ends up matching what Tasos is telling us - they are using internal testers, Aventurine is a legit company developing Darkfall, Razorwax is defunct or more likely a tax offset company, AVE is going to distribute Darkfall CDs in Europe, etc etc.
And then there are the copious videos and screenshots and interviews, all of which look good to me, even great. I especially love the aerdian cat video with the tree branches all independently swaying in the wind... amazing.
A few hours a day is half a (working) day, which is sad. Sorry if you don't like it. I hope someone is paying you for it...
I'm not spending any of my time on Darkfall except to point out the obvious, which is that Darkfall has 6 great videos and over 600 screenshots, which conclusively prove Darkfall exists, and has all the signs of becoming a GREAT game. If it doesn't come out, I've lost nothing, you've lost dozens of hours of work for what? Makes me think some MMO competitor is paying you to do this stuff cause no individual would be sad enough to devote their life to trying to find obscure minor details about a game in development.
With every disgruntled emo post, you just come off looking more sad and jaded, poor guy. Watch the Darkfall vids and screenies again IMO (conveniently linked in the sticky) and share in the Darkfall love.
By the way, are you the same person as Teedle in the Warcry journals? that guy was pretty shockingly disillusioned and illogical too.
A few hours a day is half a (working) day, which is sad. Sorry if you don't like it. I hope someone is paying you for it...
I'm not spending any of my time on Darkfall except to point out the obvious, which is that Darkfall has 6 great videos and over 600 screenshots, which conclusively prove Darkfall exists, and has all the signs of becoming a GREAT game. If it doesn't come out, I've lost nothing, you've lost dozens of hours of work for what? Makes me think some MMO competitor is paying you to do this stuff cause no individual would be sad enough to devote their life to trying to find obscure minor details about a game in development.
With every disgruntled emo post, you just come off looking more sad and jaded, poor guy. Watch the Darkfall vids and screenies again IMO (conveniently linked in the sticky) and share in the Darkfall love.
You shouldn't pick on Polar like that, he prides his life on trying to prove that Darkfall will..... ... actually what are you trying to prove polar? You didn't really answer that question in my other post?
If you have nothing to offer but thinly veiled insults, why dont you just drop it? Hopefully you are intelligent enough to recognize the logical fallacy in attacking the person rather than the argument.
Polar, as well as many of the skeptics here, do not think the game is vapor. But we read the signs quite differently than you. You see "great game", and we see "red flags". Experience is the best teacher, and most of us have heard this song and dance before. We are not skeptical because we were born mean, we have just learned not to swallow everything told to us, especially by those with a track record of failure to deliver.
Fair enough. It's not an ad hominem argument because I genuinely do feel sadness and pity for anyone spending as much time as Polar claims looking into this stuff, which I believe is largely irrelevant and definitely not my idea of a fun/enjoyable way to spend my time.
I am familiar with the whole Dark'n'Light story as one of my friends bought it. It's a classic case of a potentially great game being released too early. I have also read statistics about the high failure rate of MMOs in development.
If nothing else, I think we can agree that Darkfall has shown no signs of being "rushed out the door", nor is there any evidence of foul play anywhere, nor is there potentially red flags like a large number of pre-orders being taken. I think we can also agree that Aventurine has demonstrated they have solid financial backing and that it's highly unlikely they would come this far with Darkfall and suddenly fold.
Yes Aventurine has adopted the unconvention position of holding their cards close to their chest regarding certain game features and release dates, but I don't think you can equate these things to being 'red flags'.
I am glad you acknowledge the game exists and the movies/screenshots are not some elaborate ruse concocted in MS Paint like some others have suggested (LOL).
We can agree to disagree then.
I was one of the victims of DnL hoax so I feel like I have to give my opinion about that. Cuz it was a hoax and nothing else. It had nothing to do with a too early release. It was a huge hoax. They even tried to keep charging people even after they cancelled their accounts. I can't be more clear than that. It was and it is a hoax.
DnL had NO potential. DnL's written features had potential. All the development of that features into a working program was just a hoax. In the end, written text is not big potential; written text are just promises.
A few hours a day is half a (working) day, which is sad. Sorry if you don't like it. I hope someone is paying you for it...
No, you've been spending hours since you made your new account trying to discredit abd argue down every point that's been made against Aventurine and Tasos. I'm sure you'll do the same with the next acccount and the next.....
I'm not spending any of my time on Darkfall except to point out the obvious, which is that Darkfall has 6 great videos and over 600 screenshots, which conclusively prove Darkfall exists, and has all the signs of becoming a GREAT game. If it doesn't come out, I've lost nothing, you've lost dozens of hours of work for what? Makes me think some MMO competitor is paying you to do this stuff cause no individual would be sad enough to devote their life to trying to find obscure minor details about a game in development.
Nothing has been "conclusively" proved, or you wouldn't be here trying to defend poor Tasos from the masses.
With every disgruntled emo post, you just come off looking more sad and jaded, poor guy. Watch the Darkfall vids and screenies again IMO (conveniently linked in the sticky) and share in the Darkfall love.
You look more like Aventurines' lapdog every time you post.
By the way, are you the same person as Teedle in the Warcry journals? that guy was pretty shockingly disillusioned and illogical too.
And you are? ditrknap69? downtoearth? Tasos ( or maybe his companion as much as you try to defend him )?
I was one of the victims of DnL hoax so I feel like I have to give my opinion about that. Cuz it was a hoax and nothing else. It had nothing to do with a too early release. It was a huge hoax. They even tried to keep charging people even after they cancelled their accounts. I can't be more clear than that. It was and it is a hoax.
DnL had NO potential. DnL's written features had potential. All the development of that features into a working program was just a hoax. In the end, written text is not big potential; written text are just promises.
I'm glad this post was made. chokepoint IS dirtknap69. He defends DnL as an "early release" and then plugs his ears when you try to point out the truth to him. Here's the thread where dirtknap69 became chokepoint after failing with the same "DnL was released early" bullshit: http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2142522#2142522 .
This guy will apparently defend any shady company.
As far as I’m concerned this is a thinly veiled attempt by someone probably using an alt account to get this thread locked so it does not remain on the front page, just as another member attempted to get my recent legitimate posts with relevant new information of the front page earlier by “bumping” 10-15 other posts simultaneously.
Its completely ridiculous and hypocritical for someone who created an account yesterday who all ready has 40 posts defending Aventurine and Darkfall by attacking anyone who is critical or skeptical to be lecturing me or anyone else about wasting their time, or being sad and pathetic.
Not to mention all the other defenders and supporters, many of which have obviously invested a considerable amount of time over many years into promoting this game who have behaved likewise in this thread amongst many others.
So far all I have seen from defenders and supporters of this game and its developers are personal attacks, hypocritical accusations, attempts at character assassination, and condescending dismissive attitudes.
But zero substantial evidence or facts to support their totally positive and optimistic outlook, nor to justify their dismissive personal attacks directed towards anyone who dares to question their faith.
And an apparent inability or reluctance to comprehend and elucidate exactly how many of these revelations can possibly be construed only as beneficial to the parties involved., which probably explains why they have attempted to dismiss them in their totality as being irrelevant.
In my opinion whenever someone has lost an argument they invariably resort to insults and accusations, or adopt a dismissive position, or simply go into denial and I get the impression this is exactly what is transpiring from what I have seen demonstrated so far.
And just to clarify, how can a process that I enjoyed be considered a waste of time?, discovering the potential numerous lies, inconsistencies and contradictions that have been propagated by the people behind this project and dogmatically regurgitated by its supporters for the last 8 years was gratifying and fascinating.
As I have already stated, the only people who I consider that actually have risked “wasting their life’s” are the people who have spent years defending and promoting the developers and their game which has been in various forms of development for 8 years which so far has actually never been seen by any of them, and which still has an uncertain future.
But I’m sure the saga of this games almost never-ending development will become even more engaging (or perhaps disappointing for some) over the next few months, as that potential “official” beta and launch timeframe inexorably shrivels.
Of course I’m sure the most ardent supporters will of already started making excuses and justifications on behalf of the developers well before the end of this year, and will have plenty of insults and accusations ready for anyone who dares to express their disbelief.
Oh and just because you may make multiple accounts on different forums to promote Darkfall and its developers and attack anyone who’s critical or skeptical do not likewise assume that I behave in a similar fashion.
Although you may find it difficult to believe, I do not post on any other game forums apart from this one, and unfortunately I do not get paid to make any of them, but if anyone is willing to pay me then I’d certainly be interested.
So I’m afraid your conspiracy theory’s are unfortunately about as inept as your attempts to support Darkfall and its developers.
Have you ever considered the possibility that their may actually be more then one person over a period of 8 years of failure that has wanted to express a critical or skeptical opinion at least once?
original Board
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The chairman of the board: Trond Erik Heier, Erling Skjalgssons g 20 B, 0267 OSLO Trond Erik Heier, Erling Skjalgsson g B 20, 0267 OSLO
Styremedlem: Director: Benjamin Cabarrubias Bye Benjamin Cabarrubias Bye
Claus Hågensen Grøvdal Claus Hågensen Grøvdal
Leif Tore Sætermoen Leif Tore Sætermoen
Simon Yuen Simon Yuen
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Board:
Styrets leder: The chairman of the board: Jade El Mehdawi, Himras 12 Kifissia GR-14562 Athen, Hellas Jade El Mehdawi, Himras 12 Kifissia GR-14562 Athens, Greece
Styremedlem: Director: Anastasios Flampouras Anastasios Flampouras
Spiridon Iordanis Spiridon Iordanis
Claus Hågensen Grøvdal Claus Hågensen Grøvdal
Ricki Michael Sickenger Ricki Michael Sickenger
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In other words what the devs said was true, Aventurine, Tasos and Jade El Mehdawi took over razorwax. They were new large investors. And since polar you are so thrilled with Hennings comments. It the image article he talked about an investor coming in. My guess is that is Jade El Mehdawi. The time Mehdawi took over majority ownership of razorwax corresponds with date henning gives.
And this does not sound like a scammed investor. Also sounds like an investor who knew he was getting involved with an MMO and not a Bingo company.
http://www.anvilsociety.com/wax/trondheier.htm
"We think it's a bit sad to no longer be a part of the group and we really wanted to keep working with them. But foremost we are happy on the behalf of the guys", says Trond Heier Manager Intermedia Invest. He confirms that they no longer are a part of Razorwax, and that Razorwax is moving to Hellas (Greece).
"The knowledge of this business among investors in Norway is relatively small. It's no environment to invest in games, and at least not in an early phase", he says.
Intermedia Invest has within a period of two years spent three million kronor on Razorwax (Roughly 514,000 USD).
"We've lost some money on this, but they needed more employes in order to finish the game. To find new investors was the only option they had", says Heier.
NOW FOR Bye
if you do a google search for
Benjamin Cabarrubias Bye
this is what comes up
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=no&u=http://sesam.no/katalog/infoside/Vaagen%2BAsset%2BManagement%2BASA/6744233/007eb9739d02a5b3fb4890d9aab347a1&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=7&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Benjamin%2BCabarrubias%2BBye%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG
Its asset management. It is most likely that Bye worked on the management side of the team, possible someone put in by the investors too make sure the business end is taken care of. This is probably why he is not mentioned in early interviews.
Also the Loan i would like to comment on. This forum rightly found that the loan was basically to sell investments or shares of the company. But as far as we have seen no shares have been sold publicly. My guess it that was a loan taken out to distribute shares of the company too the different devs like henning and claus. Seems the most possible solution currently.
Now in responce to Tasos gaming history. If you wiki harvard extension school you will see that it is not an engineering or computer science school. It is mostly Liberal arts. The Degree tasos most likely recieved from those stated is a Degree in Publishing. Aventurine after all was originally setup for publishing. Given territories and other aspects it is extremely likely Tasos could of work on the publishing side of those games in different territories and not be seen on the credits.
It is possible, not "extremely likely" mind you, but possible that Tasos worked on a localization of those games. It's not what I would call working on the games themselves, but truth is sometimes those poor chaps only get mentioned in their respective versions. Things are changing greatly now, but now's now and then is then.
Assuming the above post is accurate, one has to ask, why did they keep Razorwax in operation and why did it go bankrupt? The developers never mentioned anything about Tasos and Jade taking over Razorwax and keeping it in operation, or any further plans with it. While they don't have to publish their internal dealings and decisions, you can't help but wonder about the reasons.
I do not think it was too totally screw over investors, I mean all the other investors are off the board once Mehdawi enters the pictures. So its not like they shut it down to knock the old investors out. My guess is he bought them out, then the company finally goes bankrupt when it does not submit paperwork. Plus there does not seem to be a lot of bad blood.
It is painfully obvious at least how amature especially in the early years this program was. There original idea was release a bugged crap versions to get people interested and pull in investors. They make tons of references too how AC was created off the fly. But i think that analogy is kind of bad due to the different nature of the playing field when AC was created. Not to mention AC was created by MIT grad student Artifcially intelligent, and had over 70 who had worked on it by the time of release. Many of them other genius MIT kids who like projects like that.
Now for the big Question who the hell is Jade El Mehdawi, and why is he so damn patient with this game.
Here is an interesting old article - Jade is part of the Aventurine team being interviewed. It is worth the read...
http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/671/671666p1.html
Really confusing though. In IGN interviews well past 2003, the devs are referred to as Razorwax. I guess that was from the time when Aventurine was the 'publisher'. In this article, Jade makes it sound like Aventurine was company doing dev back in 2002. Oh, what a tangled web!
I don't think they're doing or have done anything to purposely screw investors, nor anything truly bad in intentions so far. They're just doing a lousy job at many things. I don't think there's a big conspiracy or anything, just enthusiastic incompetence at work. Hopefully they'll shape up and everything will be up to standards.
Like I said earlier, what ultimately matters is not what might of happened in the past, but what happens in the next few months concerning Darkfall’s publishing, distribution, public Beta and launch etc.
I might be wrong about nearly everything (which I doubt), but the only thing that would prove that is Darkfall successfully launching this year with the majority of its proposed features and content implemented.
The information in this thread is open to interpretation, what is not open to interpretation is if Darkfall again fails to start open beta and launch this year, as the developers have “officially” publicly committed themselves to doing so.
This information in isolation is generally inexplicable and inconclusive but when we also take into consideration the 8 year development history of this game and the people involved with it, in my opinion it strongly indicates that if this game does not successfully launch this year or at the very least start public beta, it probably never will.
For me personally the highly unlikely “magic” chance that maybe just maybe these guys could, maybe, might just pull it of despite their many trials and tribulations and all the obstacle’s along the way is no longer even a remote possibility anymore.
Like I’ve always said I would welcome being proved wrong and hopefully I will be by the end of the year, but all things considered, unfortunately I very much doubt I will be.
I’m not trying to “prove” anything, because I don’t have an agenda or any preconceived notions that I feel compelled to rigidly conform to despite whatever may be presented to the contrary.
All I did was to disclose all the information that I found related to this project after looking for a few hours a day over a 2 week period (a process which I found much more enjoyable and entertaining then playing many of the current MMO‘s instead ), and offering my opinion of what that information probably implies considering the history of this project.
As I said anyone else is welcome to form their own opinion of what it means or if they are so inclined dismiss it entirely as being irrelevant, or perhaps feel motivated to do some research themselves and add to the body of evidence or unfortunately much more likely just personally attack me.
As far as I’m concerned, the shroud of mystery or the enigma surrounding this project and the people involved with is has been removed, and I now I feel I have answers to all the questions that perplexed and puzzled me over the years and caused to me entertain the possibility that perhaps this project may have a chance of success no matter how unlikely I thought that to be.
But if Darkfall does launch successfully this year, and it has all the content and features the developers have been talking about since 2001, then I will be happy to admit that I was wrong, but considering all this, if it does not then it can hardly be considered a surprise or a disappointment.
I have no education ( no degree ) started on cleaning jobs, worked in a few shop, played whit my pc.
now im a store manager in controll of 15 souls, took me four years.
I wonder were the old median and UO devs got there exp from when they started to make those games.
point is : do not judge on halfbaked internet info . everyone can do anyting, just takes time, passion and fate in your own dream.
this discussion is totaly useless. have fate or dont have it.. dont mather to anyone but yourself
Spoken like a true believer and a certified anachronism, I salute you!, fortunately for some of us the Dark ages ended with something called the enlightenment a few hundred years ago.
Now many of us actually require substantial empirical evidence especially after 8 years before we start believing, and no longer reside exclusively in the false comfort of faith, hope, and fantasy, nor do we see any rational justification for them at this stage.
Now if you will excuse me, after taking your excellent advice, I have decided to embark on developing Darkfall 2, which will eventually definitely be successfully released, and will be at least twice as good, because of course, its irrelevant that myself or anyone else who may be involved has no or little prior relevant experience, because anyone can do anything, its just takes time (hopefully not over 8 years though) and ample passion and faith in a dream, which is all I need to succeed, and because I have faith and passion any attempt to dissuade me or debate about my chances of success will be totally useless, and any of the details or fundamental facts concerning my project are of course irrelevant, simply because I have faith and passion and because I consider I am predetermined by fate to succeed.
I suggest you drop Darkfall 2 and develop cold fusion or a perpetual movement machine, it will end up being far more useful. Or do all of them, maybe a simultaneous release? It only depends on your time, passion and faith after all.
Jest aside, Polarization, I think you may be writing it off a bit too hastily given the circumstances. This is the final stretch, for better or for worse. In the next few months we will definitely be seeing either how miraculous Aventurine is, or how full of lies they are. Schrodinger's DF is going to get "observed" soon, so if you've been around for years, what's a couple of months more? Better to make sure the zombie is dead before you walk away.
Silvarch I do appreciate I have a tendency to waffle on a bit, but I do believe one of the recent things I have said was:
“This information in isolation is generally inexplicable and inconclusive but when we also take into consideration the 8 year development history of this game and the people involved with it, in my opinion it strongly indicates that if this game does not successfully launch this year or at the very least start public beta, it probably never will.”
So I can assure you I have every intention of at least sticking around until the end of the year before I draw any final conclusion, but I do feel room for debate or speculation amongst the community is finally waning in preference of the self inflicted burden of revelation forming upon the developers themselves.
This is obviously always the most exciting and rewarding part, whichever way things turn out, but on the other hand I still have no illusions or expectations that if Darkfall does not start beta and launch this year it will definitely lead to some final conclusion or offer any satisfying resolution.
From what I think I know about it’s “development”, the process can continue almost indefinitely, it simply depends on the determination of the party’s involved, and the propensity of its community to continue forlornly waiting.
In the latest update Tasos said:
"As far as publishing activities go, we're working on the servers, customer and technical support, billing, and distribution solutions along with our partners."
These “partners” could possibly include these 2 Greek company’s mentioned as attending the recent second Greek gaming conference where Aventurine also made a presentation of Darkfall, in this article:
http://www.coder.gr/article.php?story=20080628232139297
"The meeting was attended by representatives of the newspaper
Eleftheros Typos, the magazine PC Master and distribution companies
Centric Multimedia and Beacon."
Centric Multimedia http://www.centric.gr/ca/index.aspx
Beacon Multimedia http://www.beacon.gr/
Of course until an official announcement is made this is purely speculation on my part, but we do know that Aventurine has at least publicly presented Darkfall to representatives from both these company’s.
Found some more information about the illusive Executive producer, part owner / investor of Aventurine and 50% shareholder in and chairman of the board of Razorwax.
He’s on the excutive board who recently in Moscow elected the vice chairman for the european confederation of Modern Pentathlon for 2009-2012.
http://www.atleticom.it/atlnew/news.asp?i=60951&s=6
21/7/2008 - 11:21
It was held in Moscow, the Congress elected the European Confederation of Modern Pentathlon for 2009-2012: RiconfermatoPresidente Dmitry Svatkovsky (RUS) Vice Chairman: Valter Magini (ITA) and Andreas Feldmanis (LAT). Executive Board: Jiri Hrdlicka (CZE), Andreas Heise (GER), Erik Lakomaa (SWE), Jade El Mehdawi (GRE), Honorary Auditors: Slavomir Kopec (POL), Alexander Peirits (AUT) press office
He also was from 2000- 2004 or probebly still currently is the president of the Hellenic Federation of Modern Pentathlon.
http://www.eomop.gr/Pent_web_english/federation.htm
Synthesis of council-members
Hellenic Federation of Modern Pentathlon
President
El Mahdaouee Jade
Vice- President Α?
Messinis Apostolos
Vice- President Β?
Apostolidi Tarsi
Secretary
Lorandos Nikolaos
Cashier
Kaimenakis Fotis
Trustee
Damianakis Ilias
Member
Grigoriadis George
Member
Dalla Sotiria
Member
Papadopoulos Nikolaos
Member
Karidis Nikolas
Member
Tsaltas Fotios