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every year these nutcases are going to spout "the end is near!" and one year they are going to be right and their over inflated ego will cause them to post on every forum known to man.
Hey super genious guess what, one day it will shut down, but you will always be wrong......making the same guess 3 years in a row makes you a stubborn hater. And you are not the messiah of the forums. you are not the insider who know's whats going on. Even a monkey can pick the same answer over and over to every assumption and eventually he will be right.
Distiler, SOE took your subsription money to make a game for an audience that was not you or I. SOE considered us expendable, but they still took our money until the very last second.
I suspect you are only posting here to advertise the link in your sig that is meant to entice former players to come back since the gameplay is so horrid it cannot attract new players. Who cares about the quality of a patch that MIGHT fix something that was broken almost THREE YEARS AGO! Come back here and talk about the quality of this game when it is finally done and fixed all the things it broke purposefully 3 years ago. Until then this is just a case of the broken clock being right twice a day.
Just know that you are empowering SOE to behave as they have. There will be another Star Wars game as soon as this one dies.
Hei man, don't tell me what to do with my ethic and morality. I've been in this subforum for years and I've also stated and I still state that SOE did a blatant fraud upon us all, and I'm the first saying that a pre-cu server for old vets would be a cool idea fo SOE. That said:
After all those years you know what, I want to play the game again, SOE has been already been punished by far the most in the industry for the 2005 NGE catastrophe and it gonna have that tag for ever, there is no need for "paladins" anymore.
You can contuinue bashing the game like if nothing has changed between today and novemeber 2005, it's a shame the lie you're living on but hei it's your shame and your time. You can write about other games correctly, politely, objectively, etc even those that rollyaly suxx (wow, aoc, etc etc) but when it's about SWG some of you even go animal, like a drug - addicted and loose all objectivity and credibility for future statements. Some of those lurking in this subforum are still addiced and in a downer. Face it.
I really hope for you one day you can objectively say "oh that's a nicely re-introduced and improved feature" or "storyteller looks cool" or the contrary, but in a mature way so we can maybe some day fusion both forums and talk calmed about it. But no, it's all about folling yourselves for collective rejoycing.
I like actual producers, dev, etc team and I'll gave another opportunity and you know what, they deserve my money.
So stop talking me like if I don't what has been going on.
First don't assume I just bash on Sony no matter what they do. I have in fact given them kudos for the story teller feature and other aspects. I wish more companies would make similar features like that, station pass, mentoring, etc. I know they have/had some of the greatest talent in the industry as witnessed by some of their games elements. It is just a shame management continually finds a way to sell those features short.
I also didn't tell you what to do with your ethics and morality, I just said what the results were. There is a difference.
Just because some people don't overlook the actions SOE has for its customers and acknowledge the failures and lack of apologies doesn't mean they are not being objective. So you want to play the game again, fine have fun, I am not telling you not to. However don't turn all reformed smoker now and start telling people to be quiet about things you even admit to be true just because you want to play the game again.
The game is still revamping core issues that were messed up in nov 2005, does it really matter how much has changed since they don't even have the foundation fixed yet? I think 3 years is a little too long to wait for fixes to something that shouldn't have happend in the first place.
He's right. Many do loose their objectivity and just rant and rave like rabid animals. And the game is here to stay; I know this because Matrix Online hasn't folded yet.
That being said, the game is still a steaming pile of suck. Yes, the current game as it exists right now. My account is currently active, due to some free trial thing, and in playing it I find nothing that makes me want to stay. The franchise isn't enough for me to over-look its problems. If all I'm going to be playing is a level-based raid game, I'll just keep my WoW account and play one that has 100x more content and far fewer bugs. Or LOTRO, if I get tired of the "kiddy factor" in WoW.
I made many suggestions of ways to improve the NGE, for about two years, but the devs wanted to go a different route. Namely, rip off the other MMORPGs and marginalize everything that made this one worth playing. So if I'm just getting second-hand content that was done better in other games, I'll go play those games. There aren't enough lightsabers in the world to make me overlook this.
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I agree in many ways. Frankly, the state of mmos today is far from what I thought it might have been back when EQ launched. Sadly, it reminds me of what happened to Pen and Paper when 3rd Edition launched. Gone were unique systems like Earthdawn, Shadowrun, West End's Star Wars and so on. Everything quickly became a slightly altered clone and originaluty was a lost cause. Pen and Paper suffered from this terribly and the hobby nearly became as extinct as the hobby shops that were closing down.
WoW may have brought the numbers to the MMORPG world but it killed (though probably not by design) the innovation and experimentation of future games. Arguably, SWG was the last great experiment in social mmo design by a major corp. Since then, everyone seems to have opted for the safe route. Nothing now seems to break the mold.
That and to be honest, Sci Fi mmos have yet to emerge to a level where fans of the genre expect it should be. EVE is a good game but it doesn't meet my avatar needs. Tabula Rosa is a bit of a let down. Fallen Earth has potential. But as of right now, you are right. SWG is the only "official" option for those with a burning need to play science fiction mmos let alone in the star wars setting.
I know people are tired of hearing me or some of the others say it but some of us can't go back. Mine is a combination of profession removal to which there is no replacement. Ranger was my favorite thing to be in all mmos and in SWG it was pretty much a perfect fit. I also can't return because of what they did to the game and how they lied about it. Even more personally, the promised ranger revamp really had me believing in the game. You should find posts in my past here where I argued with naysayers. Those dialogues were more heated than anything else I have done here in recent history. When it was revealed to be a sham, I felt like a fool. Some people say get over it. But I don't see anything in their posting pasts that demonstrates the betrayal of hope and embarrassment that many of us rangers experienced first hand.
In the end, for those who enjoy the NGE. Good for you. I will even openly admit that some of the updates are in fact good. Would have been even better had they been back in 2005. Still, play it for while it lasts.
For those who would rewrite SOE's past of betraying its playerbase - we are still here to safeguard the truth. And for those of you who take it upon yourselves to tell us to get over it. Take your own advice and just ignore our posts. Your mind is made up. I never expect to change it. Its those who are not aware that I am here to inform.
That and well, I am waiting for something to play.
If you can tell me 3 things past "etc." that really make you hate the game and aren't easily counterable...then you have a reason. Please do tell
Also, answer this: If you hate the game so much, and out of the 3 years of NGE you have only tried it once...why the heck do you bother flaming about it INSIDE the SWG forums?
3 things you can NOT counter that make the NGE and SWG suck:
1.) The UI. Though it can be manipulated and changed to a degree, it is STILL aweful and people shouldn't have to do that.
2.) No collision detection: Can still shoot through walls, run though each other, etc. Amazing.
3.) 9 "iconic" professions: Hmmm, you take 30+ professions and squeeze them down into 9 of the lamest professions ever seen in an MMO, what is to be expected.
I'll add even more...
4.) Poor economy: Let's see. An economy designed for player-crafted items to be superior, then the game fundamentally changed to loot-based, decay removed so you have fewer repeat buys, and the economy inflates to the level it is now... Good stuff.
5.) Combat: It is NOT FPS, it's RPG combat sped up 5X to simulate FPS. Pre-CU combat was bad, NGE combat is just dreadful. Remove all the great animations, the specific attacks, most of the stances, etc, etc... Essentially dumbdown combat as much as possible.
There are 5 things that make the NGE suck as much as it does. I would love to log onto SWG and actually enjoy it but because SOE has turned this game into such a mess it doesn't happen. If George Lucas logged onto SWG he would tell them to pull the plug on the spot.
Uhmm what ? Pre-cu Combat was the most innovative to ever be put into an MMO. It's combat was bounds better than what you find in any mmo available today.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Hi all,
I don't post here much, too much anamosity for my likings. I want to say this though, I played the day SWG launched, hell I even beta'd the product 6 month's before release.
I truely loved this mmo, I still have some emotions for it, what little was not stripped away after NGE. I still have my active subscriptions that I log into from time to time.
Please stop trying to tell the masses here that the game is good. It is far from good it is simply horrid to us veterans. I full heartedly understand how new subscribers come to the game and like it...it's becuase they never tasted what the game was before the dreaded NGE. If they had then thier minds would be full of similar sour thoughts.
I logged into the game again lastnight played for a few hours and it is just terrible, hell I haven't cryed in about 11 years come to think of it. Everytime it brings a slight tear to my eye, that is how bad it really is in fact.
These are simply my opinons and I don't plan to force them down anyone's throat, but I do think they should be heard.
I would pay more money than SoE could ever imagine if they would put a pre-cu server up. I would take some of my millions to pay for this if they would just take the high road an say "we screwed up bigtime" and then just putup the damn pre-cu server.
On a lighter note this is not possible becuase Bioware and Lucasarts will be announcing thier new SW MMO that they have been working on since the fallout with SoE. I have a friend that works at BIOWARE and I assure you we will be very happy in time. Patience young grasshoppers.
Nice flame there Mr. Troll... He never claimed to be the Messiah of any forums, in fact he didn't even address you in any of his posts...
You are the troll here.
No where did I claim he addressed me in any post, but i can guarantee you he is an alt of someone who claims every year that the game is dying in 200X
When SOE does something right I have no problem saying so, and when they do wrong I'll rip them for it. There have been some improvements since the NGE was foisted on us, and some stinkers. Frankly, I put Beastmaster in the latter category. <rant> It was possible to get new pets again, fine, but they wrecked every still-existing pet in the process! I had (have really, but I refuse to ever again use it) a Bol mount; it was bioengineered in preCU times, so it was full size even at CL10. It stayed full size thru the CU and into NGE. In the early days of NGE, my CL1 crafter even used it to fight low-level critters, and it did tricks on command. And then Beastmaster ruined it, converting to a bad slow vehicle (but even a vehicle stayed around when you got off of it) that still slows down when you are attacked even tho you can no longer fight back while mounted, and shrunk to a pygmy. </rant>
Beautiful community? All 5 of you there? Back in the beginning ya, but now? It's a friggin ghost town and even the most populated server doesn't even compare to a crappy ass F2P asian grind game server. That's pretty damn sad right there.
You're the ones looking like fools, specially when you think SOE cares at all about the game anymore. Good Riddance.
I think the "the fact that it's a freaking Star Wars MMO" sums everything up pretty well. We know know the game is horrible and not fun. They know the game is horrible and not fun. The thing is, they've got "Star Wars" in their eyes which blinds them to everything else. The only appeal SWG has is that it is a Star Wars game.
The OBoard fanbots are showing up here much more often now. Take a look at the OBoard, mainly the "Gameplay Discussion board". This latest fanbot invasion is due to another in the never ending stream of 'What can we do to save this game, since LEC and SOE won't do it themselves?' threads. They realize the game is not in very good shape, and they worry about the game's future if there isn't a large influx of players. That's why they come here, and some other forums, and claim that the game is now all gumdrops and lollipops. What they don't seem to understand is that once someone actually logs into the game, which many of us have done within the last two months (thanks to the vet trials we get every couple months), they quickly realize that the game is just flat out bad. I think that is why they seem to becoming more and more desperate in their viral campaigns.
No amount of lipstick is ever going to hide the fact that SWG is still just a pig.
The "fanbot" invasion might be better tied to the fact that AOC let thousands of people down . People are realizing SWG is the last of its kind , No game out there offers as much as the NGE, Even if you hate what SWG has become , There's no denying it . The closest in comparison to pre-cu would be EVE . However, Eve in comparison is still a one trick pony . Alot of people don't like the fact that EVE is entirely space based and has no ground game (Myself included).
So what do you suggest as an alternative ? Just keep one thing in mind ,It can't be WOW and it can't be COH/V I detest those too more than NGE . Also EQ2 and vangaurd I could never really stomach . What else is there ?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The "fanbot" invasion might be better tied to the fact that AOC let thousands of people down . People are realizing SWG is the last of its kind , No game out there offers as much as the NGE, Even if you hate what SWG has become , There's no denying it . The closest in comparison to pre-cu would be EVE . However, Eve in comparison is still a one trick pony . Alot of people don't like the fact that EVE is entirely space based and has no ground game (Myself included).
So what do you suggest as an alternative ? Just keep one thing in mind ,It can't be WOW and it can't be COH/V I detest those too more than NGE . Also EQ2 and vangaurd I could never really stomach . What else is there ?
You're kidding, right? All the "new" content SWG has had for the last year falls into three categories:
The only thing going for this game is the space portion, and even that gets old. At least they leave that alone since the devs are too stupid to ever fix it if when they break it.
You're kidding, right? All the "new" content SWG has had for the last year falls into three categories:
The only thing going for this game is the space portion, and even that gets old. At least they leave that alone since the devs are too stupid to ever fix it if when they break it.
Uhm ,What ? What part of my post said anything about the quality of content added to the NGE?
Edit - You do realize my post was a question ? What game offers as much as NGE ?
I've been without a game for almost 3 years , I waited hoping something would release that was worth my effort . So last month I bought AOC , What a joke that was hell NGE was almost as complete at release. So again I'm back to being game less . If I wanted a game that was based in a fantasy world I'd be set , but I just can't stomch seeing elves and fairies or other things from such lore in the games that I play.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Will C5 be the beginning of the end? No! Was CU the beginning of the end? Yes! If they keep VG and all the other no population games going for the station pass, I'd imagine that SWG will "slug" along, also.
They lost subs with CU. Gained some back and blew it again with NGE, BIGTIME!
Gained a few back, best guess is about 100K and GCW revamp came into play. Lost a few subs there.
Gained a few (FEW) back and blew that again with the Chapter 6 Combat Downgrade. This time, they didn't gain many back at all. Before C7, it was dismal, population wise.
C7 seemed to bring a very few people back for about a month. C8, the same thing. After the new content was gone, so were the subs. Most of these "extra" people were on the free trials.
SOE to "save the day"! The "buddy system". ROFL, it failed miserably. Credit farmers liked it tho, they had a bunch of "buddy tokens" to sell.
GU-Whatevers came into play. More lost subs over not enough done orway much done and too many nerfs. Some profs got nice new things only to see the value GONE with the next update. Nerf after nerf after nerf. More lost subs!!!!!!!!!! Can you say "Bounty Hunter" or "Jedi" ?
Now, I would agree that the 30K population number is about right with around 10K or less actively playing and even tho I haven't logged in for about 2 months, (my 6 month renewal hit just before that so I'm still able to post on the $OE forums for another 4 months). SOE knows the population is WAY down and gives vets ANOTHER 30 day free trial just so the actual playing customers can see SOMEONE else in game. This will most probably end up exactly like all the other free trials. "Thx for the month but outta here again". We'll see that in about a month.
The only thing $OE knows is how to NGE or Mini-NGE the game. Thats it. The content you like today in all probability will not be there next patch (NERF). The game you like today WILL be CHANGED in such a manner that you won't like it. THAT, is the only constant in SWG.
1. we have won we are going to see the nge shutdown this year along with other bs games that rip gamers off like age of CONan and warhammer and stargate worlds as that will come out half done and uses a lame level system. next year we will start to see good games again
why are we going to see good games? thanks to $OE failing with the nge thanks to funCON failing with age of CONan and thanks to gamers like myself and players like wildcat84 and our good friend jestor who fight the good fight and work to see gaming become good again. and by the end of the year you will see our win nge will be shutdown or we will get our pre-cu swg back and $OE will pay for their crimes when the lawsuit gets going.
2. none of the changes are good. i could careless what my weapon looks like as long as i can win. that is why i stuck with my knuckler and later on my saber. boohoo some star wars fanboi wants to use a dl44 and win. if he really wants that he can go play jedi knight on godmode.
3.anyone who hates the nge and anyone who wishes for gaming to get back on track to what we all loved about gaming namely sandbox titles along with seeing others like micro$oft and nintendo fail is my friend. and mark my words when 250k come back to pre-cu swg then we will see who gets thanked.
4.have fun playing your broken buggy game if you even want to call it that as a game is fun and the nge isn't fun. and i had a world we enjoyed pre-cu swg and we will get it back. be it sony running it bioware running it or emu.
and oh bioware kotor online best be a pre-cu like game or well us vets will do what we are doing with kotor.
That kind of thinking shows you have no regard for Star Wars MMO.
How many other Vets here support this idiotic position? People who loved the game pre-cu loved it for the variety --- but hey you seem just to be pissed because you lost your alpha class.
I don't think there will ever be a precu swg game again to the scale it was back then..
i loved precu hate sw-cunge.
1. we have won we are going to see the nge shutdown this year along with other bs games that rip gamers off like age of CONan and warhammer and stargate worlds as that will come out half done and uses a lame level system. next year we will start to see good games again
why are we going to see good games? thanks to $OE failing with the nge thanks to funCON failing with age of CONan and thanks to gamers like myself and players like wildcat84 and our good friend jestor who fight the good fight and work to see gaming become good again. and by the end of the year you will see our win nge will be shutdown or we will get our pre-cu swg back and $OE will pay for their crimes when the lawsuit gets going.
2. none of the changes are good. i could careless what my weapon looks like as long as i can win. that is why i stuck with my knuckler and later on my saber. boohoo some star wars fanboi wants to use a dl44 and win. if he really wants that he can go play jedi knight on godmode.
3.anyone who hates the nge and anyone who wishes for gaming to get back on track to what we all loved about gaming namely sandbox titles along with seeing others like micro$oft and nintendo fail is my friend. and mark my words when 250k come back to pre-cu swg then we will see who gets thanked.
4.have fun playing your broken buggy game if you even want to call it that as a game is fun and the nge isn't fun. and i had a world we enjoyed pre-cu swg and we will get it back. be it sony running it bioware running it or emu.
and oh bioware kotor online best be a pre-cu like game or well us vets will do what we are doing with kotor.
That kind of thinking shows you have no regard for Star Wars MMO.
How many other Vets here support this idiotic position? People who loved the game pre-cu loved it for the variety --- but hey you seem just to be pissed because you lost your alpha class.
As much as I will get flamed for it, that's why I really don't support many of the Vets in their little 'war' with SOE.
It's mostly thanks to my time on UO, the same things that many of the people here say about SWG did get said back when Trammel came into Ultima Online. Many of those people screaming about the changes in Ultima ended up being the Player Killers more known for being griefers and what not rather then the honorble Player Killers who didn't act like a god.
And before most of you telling "stfu! all of us loved the whole 32+ system and the combat!" I still remember most of the people screaming about the CU and NGE ended up being, many of the TKA Players. Almost all of the Jedi Players, along with a good deal of the Riflemen and a few Pre-CU Combat Medics screamed as well. Mostly due to the loss of Uber Mind DOT's.
I'm not saying it's all the people that post here, but I bet a good number of you are more upset that much like swgtester you don't have your uber classes.
And I feel you bring up a good point, I feel part of the fault with the game really has been it just hasn't had that "Star Wars" feel in it.
It is beyond ridiculous to say people are only upset with SWG because they lost their "uber" class. Unless you want everyone to believe some 90%? of the game left due to losing one or two classes? Come on the NGE was the single most underhanded unethical and straight up fuck you to customers there has been in online MMOs.
To come here and lay blame on the customers is deplorable.
1. we have won we are going to see the nge shutdown this year along with other bs games that rip gamers off like age of CONan and warhammer and stargate worlds as that will come out half done and uses a lame level system. next year we will start to see good games again
why are we going to see good games? thanks to $OE failing with the nge thanks to funCON failing with age of CONan and thanks to gamers like myself and players like wildcat84 and our good friend jestor who fight the good fight and work to see gaming become good again. and by the end of the year you will see our win nge will be shutdown or we will get our pre-cu swg back and $OE will pay for their crimes when the lawsuit gets going.
2. none of the changes are good. i could careless what my weapon looks like as long as i can win. that is why i stuck with my knuckler and later on my saber. boohoo some star wars fanboi wants to use a dl44 and win. if he really wants that he can go play jedi knight on godmode.
3.anyone who hates the nge and anyone who wishes for gaming to get back on track to what we all loved about gaming namely sandbox titles along with seeing others like micro$oft and nintendo fail is my friend. and mark my words when 250k come back to pre-cu swg then we will see who gets thanked.
4.have fun playing your broken buggy game if you even want to call it that as a game is fun and the nge isn't fun. and i had a world we enjoyed pre-cu swg and we will get it back. be it sony running it bioware running it or emu.
and oh bioware kotor online best be a pre-cu like game or well us vets will do what we are doing with kotor.
That kind of thinking shows you have no regard for Star Wars MMO.
How many other Vets here support this idiotic position? People who loved the game pre-cu loved it for the variety --- but hey you seem just to be pissed because you lost your alpha class.
As much as I will get flamed for it, that's why I really don't support many of the Vets in their little 'war' with SOE.
It's mostly thanks to my time on UO, the same things that many of the people here say about SWG did get said back when Trammel came into Ultima Online. Many of those people screaming about the changes in Ultima ended up being the Player Killers more known for being griefers and what not rather then the honorble Player Killers who didn't act like a god.
And before most of you telling "stfu! all of us loved the whole 32+ system and the combat!" I still remember most of the people screaming about the CU and NGE ended up being, many of the TKA Players. Almost all of the Jedi Players, along with a good deal of the Riflemen and a few Pre-CU Combat Medics screamed as well. Mostly due to the loss of Uber Mind DOT's.
I'm not saying it's all the people that post here, but I bet a good number of you are more upset that much like swgtester you don't have your uber classes.
And I feel you bring up a good point, I feel part of the fault with the game really has been it just hasn't had that "Star Wars" feel in it.
how dare both of you insult me
i am here helping get a game back that everyone wants back
i am here fighting a war to show people that all $OE has done is lie to our face and steal our game that we did pay for. what have the 2 of you done? it is thanks to people like the 2 of you that micro$oft is allowed to sell broken consoles it is thanks to people like you 2 that funCON is ripping people off with a game that is not done and needs to be shutdown and worked on for another year in order to give people what they want.
and you want to know something i didn't care that the game has star wars in the title what i did care about is the system of play and so do 250k of my friends. you know why CONan and other games are failing? no sandbox and no fun pvp. and yes i want my alpha jedi back as i did work for it and if i want to run around killing every noob who can't hang with me then it is my right.
i could careless about you moron star wars fanbois who whined about how jedi doesn't belong in the game or how you want to run around with a pistol and be uber. you want the truth? i hate star wars and i hate the fanbois who dress up in little outfits and think they are jedi even more. guess what swg pre-cu is 'our' game it is a game for hardcore players not for you nerds. swg was about pvp and it should be about pvp.
so yes i am upset that i had my alpha class taken away and i am even more upset that my game got taken away. so please go back up to the game play forums and wait for the nge to be shutdown so we can get a real pre-cu game in.
You might have a point if the guy your defending didn't respond with this :
SWGTESTER1 wrote-
i could careless about you moron star wars fanbois who whined about how jedi doesn't belong in the game or how you want to run around with a pistol and be uber. you want the truth? i hate star wars and i hate the fanbois who dress up in little outfits and think they are jedi even more. guess what swg pre-cu is 'our' game it is a game for hardcore players not for you nerds. swg was about pvp and it should be about pvp.
so yes i am upset that i had my alpha class taken away and i am even more upset that my game got taken away. so please go back up to the game play forums and wait for the nge to be shutdown so we can get a real pre-cu game in.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The "fanbot" invasion might be better tied to the fact that AOC let thousands of people down . People are realizing SWG is the last of its kind , No game out there offers as much as the NGE, Even if you hate what SWG has become , There's no denying it . The closest in comparison to pre-cu would be EVE . However, Eve in comparison is still a one trick pony . Alot of people don't like the fact that EVE is entirely space based and has no ground game (Myself included).
So what do you suggest as an alternative ? Just keep one thing in mind ,It can't be WOW and it can't be COH/V I detest those too more than NGE . Also EQ2 and vangaurd I could never really stomach . What else is there ?
No, the current influx of shills is a coordinated effort by lonely players. Here's the thread that launched the latest one:
forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m
SWG offers nothing. The core game is not any fun. No matter how much stuff there is to do in the game, if the core game itself isn''t fun, those things won't be fun either. Honestly, at this point I don't give a shit either way about pre-CU. It was a hell of a lot better than the current version of SWG, but it had a ton of issues that the developers refused to address. If the ducks every get in a row, I will likely check things out, but I don't compare everything with pre-CU SWG.
SWG, in its current form, is the least fun MMO I've ever played. That includes several of those horrid Korean made grinding games. The current game offers little that cannot be found elsewhere. UO and Vanguard offer non-instanced housing. Entertainers are little more than buffbots in SWG nowadays, and you can socialize in every MMO if you choose to. SWG still has the edge on crafting, but it still doesn't make up for the fact that the rest of the game is awful.
Unless you're a Star Wars fan with no self control, or a sci-fi fan who just doesn't like eve and hates anything to do with fantasy (although SWG is more magic based than sci-fi considering pretty much all the loot drops have magic stat modifiers, which makes no sense in the Star Wars world), SWG offers nothing that is worth putting up with the current horrid core game. SWG is still the game that is nowhere near fun, as the Smed said two years ago. For sci-fi MMOs, you're pretty much screwed at the moment. SWG isn't really a sci-fi MMO at this point, hell, it's barely a Star Wars MMO. There are several sci-fi based MMOs in the works from several different developers. Hopefully one or two of them are at least decent.
Anyway, if I was pressed between playing SWG until something better comes along, or not playing any MMO until something better comes along, I'd have much more fun not playing an MMO until that something better came along. Luckily for me, I'm not stuck on either sci-fi (I enjoy fantasy games too) or pre-CU (although I would love to have a game that had a core that was based on the pre-CU design). As an alternative to SWG, I'd recommend playing single player games, or games with an online component to them. Hell, if you need an online Star Wars fix, play one of the Battlefront games, they're a lot more fun than SWG.
I'll just have to say lets agree to disagree because thats all that's coming from this discusion .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Ahhh, SWG...
* With the NGE, SOE lost most of their 250k-300k playerbase. Replaced us yet? Is it even back to 100k? Merged those now more numerous empty servers yet?
* The game is one of the great laughing stocks of the MMO community. Go anywhere and bring up a thread about the best / worst MMOs out there. SWG is GUARANTEED to not fare well.
* It is a professional example of how not to handle your fans.
The SWG Vets have the last laugh on this.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)