Man if you dont enjoy doing that then dont do it. The great thing about WOW is that it gives you alot of options in how you can earn gear. I personally like way and I play very casually.
Actually, if griefing doesn't cause grief why would it be called griefing. That's like saying someone is angering me but I'm not angry. Doesn't make sense. So he did have a point, although it's semantics :P As for running away from griefing, if you're lower level and don't have an epic mount/flyer you can't really run away if they camp.
Because they are attempting to grief you. Saying someone is angering you means that you are angered. If you are not angered, then they are not angering you. But you're talking about your reaction to what they are doing, not what they are doing which regardless is the same.
The same is true in WoW. They are called griefers not because of how you react to them, but rather what they expect to accomplish. They could be doing any one of 10 million things that griefers do to try to get you upset. The only thing that matters to them is the end result of you being upset. That is why they are called griefers, because they are trying to cause you grief. It doesn't matter if they actually succeed or not, that's still what they are attempting to do. Someone who tries to grief you and fails does not become a non griefer, they are just a poor griefer.
Well there are lots of ways to avoid a griefer. If you have some kind of stealth you can use that. If you don't there are potions that will stealth you. If you don't have that available, you have a fair bit of real estate with which you can rez and attempt to sneak away unnoticed. If they are a hunter for example and none of the above will work you can simply wait them out. Very few griefers will wait around for very long if you don't rez. and will run off to look for another person to prey on. And if none of that will work you can always switch to your level 70 hunter and camp their butt for awhile which is my favorite option.
Still doesn't make sense to me, since there is no "official" definition hard to say which of you is right. If your definition is right then the word is a misnomer. For instance, a killer only is called one he kills another dead. If the person doesn't die he isn't a killer.
Thus a more valid argument about "griefer" would be if he griefed someone else before.
Most griefers just patrol the same area and if ur still questing there when they come back they just kill you again.
So I guess you don't believe that someone should be convicted of ATTEMPTED murder?
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you. Most people believe that trying to kill someone and failiing is nearly as bad as somone who does kill someone. Perhaps you wouldn't call them a killer, but I firmly believe the name griefer applies to anyone who attempts to grief.
Actually, if griefing doesn't cause grief why would it be called griefing. That's like saying someone is angering me but I'm not angry. Doesn't make sense. So he did have a point, although it's semantics :P As for running away from griefing, if you're lower level and don't have an epic mount/flyer you can't really run away if they camp.
Because they are attempting to grief you. Saying someone is angering you means that you are angered. If you are not angered, then they are not angering you. But you're talking about your reaction to what they are doing, not what they are doing which regardless is the same.
The same is true in WoW. They are called griefers not because of how you react to them, but rather what they expect to accomplish. They could be doing any one of 10 million things that griefers do to try to get you upset. The only thing that matters to them is the end result of you being upset. That is why they are called griefers, because they are trying to cause you grief. It doesn't matter if they actually succeed or not, that's still what they are attempting to do. Someone who tries to grief you and fails does not become a non griefer, they are just a poor griefer.
Well there are lots of ways to avoid a griefer. If you have some kind of stealth you can use that. If you don't there are potions that will stealth you. If you don't have that available, you have a fair bit of real estate with which you can rez and attempt to sneak away unnoticed. If they are a hunter for example and none of the above will work you can simply wait them out. Very few griefers will wait around for very long if you don't rez. and will run off to look for another person to prey on. And if none of that will work you can always switch to your level 70 hunter and camp their butt for awhile which is my favorite option.
Still doesn't make sense to me, since there is no "official" definition hard to say which of you is right. If your definition is right then the word is a misnomer. For instance, a killer only is called one he kills another dead. If the person doesn't die he isn't a killer.
Thus a more valid argument about "griefer" would be if he griefed someone else before.
Most griefers just patrol the same area and if ur still questing there when they come back they just kill you again.
So I guess you don't believe that someone should be convicted of ATTEMPTED murder?
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you. Most people believe that trying to kill someone and failiing is nearly as bad as somone who does kill someone. Perhaps you wouldn't call them a killer, but I firmly believe the name griefer applies to anyone who attempts to grief.
That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
If you don't succeed in murdering someone ur not a murderer period. Being just as bad is another story but does not affect the name.
I agree generally with the OP “ideas”. I left WoW recently because I got to 70. I was excited about getting there and when I did I wanted to try everything. So I raided Kara and Gruul a few times and while it was real fun, I kept looking at the clock and getting stressed out because I had to get to sleep to go to work the next day. So I concluded I can’t raid, don’t have the time. Made me sad because I wondered what Sunwell was like. Seems silly not to let me go there and try it. And I’ve heard the elitist arguments a 100 times, but why can’t I just do a 5man there and get blue drops? I like the WoW lore, I don’t care about epics.
Oh well, right? There is tons of other stuff to do. So I tried BG. And I’m a healer so BG is really lame. Well I topped the healing on AV most every time, so that was mildly rewarding but mostly I felt like a flock of sheep going from A to B, very boring. And I don’t want to hear (well respec and it would be fun). It’s not fun to me to respec my class and pay gold over and over again and farm 2-3 sets of armor.
So I said … well I’m competitive and good at games so I’ll play Arena and get good at that. While I like the idea of Arena, it’s really poorly implemented. It’s another race for more gear! And you have the have the gear to be competitive. You can’t compete with someone of equal skill when you are in blues and they are in Season 3/4 - Tier6 gear. I loved CS in the day because it took skill, but imagine someone with 800 armor while you have 100, can’t be headshot, and his bullets to 2x your damage. Are you going to want to compete? No, it’s silly. I agree that while it probably is fun if you both have Season 3 gear its competitive and fun, I don’t find it fun to grind for 100 hours to get to that point.
And I read what people said, things like “learn to play the game past 69 n00b” and things like that. It doesn’t take skill to grind BG or lose 0-10 arena every week and still get points to get season 4 armor. And it doesn’t really take skill to raid either, other than the skill of listening to what someone tells you to do.
So with my rant done, I do really enjoy WoW as a single or multiplayer game, not really an MMO. And if you leave it at that and when you hit 70 you reroll or quit, it’s a great experience. The rest of the game is not really “FUN” but there is a lot to do and it will take up A LOT of time. Blizzard did a really good job to keep you busy; I just personally don’t think its fun anymore.
Actually, if griefing doesn't cause grief why would it be called griefing. That's like saying someone is angering me but I'm not angry. Doesn't make sense. So he did have a point, although it's semantics :P As for running away from griefing, if you're lower level and don't have an epic mount/flyer you can't really run away if they camp.
Because they are attempting to grief you. Saying someone is angering you means that you are angered. If you are not angered, then they are not angering you. But you're talking about your reaction to what they are doing, not what they are doing which regardless is the same.
The same is true in WoW. They are called griefers not because of how you react to them, but rather what they expect to accomplish. They could be doing any one of 10 million things that griefers do to try to get you upset. The only thing that matters to them is the end result of you being upset. That is why they are called griefers, because they are trying to cause you grief. It doesn't matter if they actually succeed or not, that's still what they are attempting to do. Someone who tries to grief you and fails does not become a non griefer, they are just a poor griefer.
Well there are lots of ways to avoid a griefer. If you have some kind of stealth you can use that. If you don't there are potions that will stealth you. If you don't have that available, you have a fair bit of real estate with which you can rez and attempt to sneak away unnoticed. If they are a hunter for example and none of the above will work you can simply wait them out. Very few griefers will wait around for very long if you don't rez. and will run off to look for another person to prey on. And if none of that will work you can always switch to your level 70 hunter and camp their butt for awhile which is my favorite option.
Still doesn't make sense to me, since there is no "official" definition hard to say which of you is right. If your definition is right then the word is a misnomer. For instance, a killer only is called one he kills another dead. If the person doesn't die he isn't a killer.
Thus a more valid argument about "griefer" would be if he griefed someone else before.
Most griefers just patrol the same area and if ur still questing there when they come back they just kill you again.
So I guess you don't believe that someone should be convicted of ATTEMPTED murder?
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you. Most people believe that trying to kill someone and failiing is nearly as bad as somone who does kill someone. Perhaps you wouldn't call them a killer, but I firmly believe the name griefer applies to anyone who attempts to grief.
That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
If you don't succeed in murdering someone ur not a murderer period. Being just as bad is another story but does not affect the name.
So what do you call someone who is in jail for attempted murder? I call them muderers or killers. What do you call them? Innocent?
Let's try another scenario.
Let's say that you come home from work one day and someone is stealing your stuff from your house. You call the police and the police come and arrest them and take them to jail. Is the person who was stealing your stuff a robber? They didn't actually commit robbery. I guess we should just let them go free because they didn't do anything. No we convict them of attempted robbery and if convicted they ARE robbers, regardless of the fact that they didn't actually get away with it.
I agree generally with the OP “ideas”. I left WoW recently because I got to 70. I was excited about getting there and when I did I wanted to try everything. So I raided Kara and Gruul a few times and while it was real fun, I kept looking at the clock and getting stressed out because I had to get to sleep to go to work the next day. So I concluded I can’t raid, don’t have the time. Made me sad because I wondered what Sunwell was like. Seems silly not to let me go there and try it. And I’ve heard the elitist arguments a 100 times, but why can’t I just do a 5man there and get blue drops? I like the WoW lore, I don’t care about epics.
Oh well, right? There is tons of other stuff to do. So I tried BG. And I’m a healer so BG is really lame. Well I topped the healing on AV most every time, so that was mildly rewarding but mostly I felt like a flock of sheep going from A to B, very boring. And I don’t want to hear (well respec and it would be fun). It’s not fun to me to respec my class and pay gold over and over again and farm 2-3 sets of armor.
So I said … well I’m competitive and good at games so I’ll play Arena and get good at that. While I like the idea of Arena, it’s really poorly implemented. It’s another race for more gear! And you have the have the gear to be competitive. You can’t compete with someone of equal skill when you are in blues and they are in Season 3/4 - Tier6 gear. I loved CS in the day because it took skill, but imagine someone with 800 armor while you have 100, can’t be headshot, and his bullets to 2x your damage. Are you going to want to compete? No, it’s silly. I agree that while it probably is fun if you both have Season 3 gear its competitive and fun, I don’t find it fun to grind for 100 hours to get to that point.
And I read what people said, things like “learn to play the game past 69 n00b” and things like that. It doesn’t take skill to grind BG or lose 0-10 arena every week and still get points to get season 4 armor. And it doesn’t really take skill to raid either, other than the skill of listening to what someone tells you to do.
So with my rant done, I do really enjoy WoW as a single or multiplayer game, not really an MMO. And if you leave it at that and when you hit 70 you reroll or quit, it’s a great experience. The rest of the game is not really “FUN” but there is a lot to do and it will take up A LOT of time. Blizzard did a really good job to keep you busy; I just personally don’t think its fun anymore.
It doesn't take skill to do anything in WoW so don't listen to the "leet kiddies".
I completely agree though. When I first played the game I was having fun, but slowly and brilliantly, Blizzard moved the fun from the game to the most well designed timesink of a game ever.
I guess some people enjoy spending months for a piece of gear. I could probably do it too, but knowing it's going to be replaced in the next expansion kind of kills the progression part.
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
and why I left it for those glancing over looking for a new game. TLDR: WoW sucks. look elsewhere 1. Battlegrounds - be prepared to spend most of your life in here if you even want to try and compete. There's a massive world that goes ignored while 90% of players are in here lookin for gear. 2. Arenas - A failed attempt at an Electronic sport. Even most players hate it. Blizzard won't give it up so it's left as the major focus of the game. Forget raiding Orgrimmar or Stormwind! hop in this cage for endless hours. 3. The world is a lie. 4. You either PvP or PvE, there's no in between. The gear you get in pve won't help you in pvp and vice versa. At one point you could do group dungeons and pvp and both aspects were rewarded. not anymore. 5. There's just no meaningful endgame.
Thanks for reading. You'd thank me if you only knew.
Biggest reason it may have sucked..people like you were in it ?
You mean people telling it like it is? As opposed to the 10 year olds and soccer moms playing it right?
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
My main reason for disliking WoW is the very slow development and progress of the game. Don't get me wrong, i like refined updates and hate buggy ones, but Blizzard has always been notoriously known for taking too long with patches and upgrades. Only 4 BGs in about 4 years is depressing.
i think its funny that the biggest company with the most cash gets outclassed by Turbine (and many other companies) when it comes to releasing content.
seriously...they can afford to hire like 100 people to work on 3 patches at once or even 2 expansions. so sad...
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds -Solid non level based game -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
When I played beta in wow I thought it was a solid game but I just didnt see much lasting power.....I saw ti as a game taht would be fun for 4-6 months and thats about it.......How people can play it for longer than that I just cant see.......I think alot of the people that have stayed just dont know anything else (MMO wise) and are afraid to come out of their comfort zone.......The only thing that really sucks about WoW is that it has spoiled a whole new generation of MMO players rotten by making its game too easy......I really dont think we're going to see a challenging fantasy game again as long as WoW is successful...... Were going to see the same crud weve been seeing the past 3 years with 99 percent of the new games geared toward the player that has 1-2 hours a day to play and making it easy for them......
Actually, if griefing doesn't cause grief why would it be called griefing. That's like saying someone is angering me but I'm not angry. Doesn't make sense. So he did have a point, although it's semantics :P As for running away from griefing, if you're lower level and don't have an epic mount/flyer you can't really run away if they camp.
Because they are attempting to grief you. Saying someone is angering you means that you are angered. If you are not angered, then they are not angering you. But you're talking about your reaction to what they are doing, not what they are doing which regardless is the same.
The same is true in WoW. They are called griefers not because of how you react to them, but rather what they expect to accomplish. They could be doing any one of 10 million things that griefers do to try to get you upset. The only thing that matters to them is the end result of you being upset. That is why they are called griefers, because they are trying to cause you grief. It doesn't matter if they actually succeed or not, that's still what they are attempting to do. Someone who tries to grief you and fails does not become a non griefer, they are just a poor griefer.
Well there are lots of ways to avoid a griefer. If you have some kind of stealth you can use that. If you don't there are potions that will stealth you. If you don't have that available, you have a fair bit of real estate with which you can rez and attempt to sneak away unnoticed. If they are a hunter for example and none of the above will work you can simply wait them out. Very few griefers will wait around for very long if you don't rez. and will run off to look for another person to prey on. And if none of that will work you can always switch to your level 70 hunter and camp their butt for awhile which is my favorite option.
Still doesn't make sense to me, since there is no "official" definition hard to say which of you is right. If your definition is right then the word is a misnomer. For instance, a killer only is called one he kills another dead. If the person doesn't die he isn't a killer.
Thus a more valid argument about "griefer" would be if he griefed someone else before.
Most griefers just patrol the same area and if ur still questing there when they come back they just kill you again.
So I guess you don't believe that someone should be convicted of ATTEMPTED murder?
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you. Most people believe that trying to kill someone and failiing is nearly as bad as somone who does kill someone. Perhaps you wouldn't call them a killer, but I firmly believe the name griefer applies to anyone who attempts to grief.
That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
If you don't succeed in murdering someone ur not a murderer period. Being just as bad is another story but does not affect the name.
So what do you call someone who is in jail for attempted murder? I call them muderers or killers. What do you call them? Innocent?
Let's try another scenario.
Let's say that you come home from work one day and someone is stealing your stuff from your house. You call the police and the police come and arrest them and take them to jail. Is the person who was stealing your stuff a robber? They didn't actually commit robbery. I guess we should just let them go free because they didn't do anything. No we convict them of attempted robbery and if convicted they ARE robbers, regardless of the fact that they didn't actually get away with it.
People who attempted to murder someone are possibly felons, but not murderers. They are not convicted for murder but they did commit a crime.
For instance, if you attack someone, he get injured, even though you intent was to kill him, you are not a murderer because you don't succeed. You wil be charged with assault and battery and probably other stuff but still possibly go to jail if convicted.
Just like if someone never succeeded in stealing ur stuff. (for instance he tripped when he started to get your stuff.) He's a criminal but not a robber he never really robbed anyone. In which case he would again be a possible criminal but not a robber because he never actually robbed anyone.
Again not getting away is different from the act of robbery. If commited the act but didn't get away they still robbed you and yes they would be robbers who were caught.
For example, if someone nicks something from the house, then get caught the act it is already robbery.
Let them go free and calling them something they failed at (and never actually did) is two different things. You can still go to jail for something you attempted to do but that does never actually succeeding in commiting the action does not make you a robber/murderer. They are criminals if convicted as attempted murder is a crime.
Wow sucks .... because you don't have the time anymore to play other games.
Blizzard took the standards of game design into the stratosphere in 2005 ... and improved it .
Just made a visit to Xfire website (you know WHAT people play out there...). Incredible really. 1036 days non stop on number 1 being played. Almost DOUBLE play as number 2 a newly released PC game.
Almost 60% of the MMORPG people play WOW, no matter how many "sucks" threads are created...
So what do you call someone who is in jail for attempted murder? I call them muderers or killers. What do you call them? Innocent? Let's try another scenario. Let's say that you come home from work one day and someone is stealing your stuff from your house. You call the police and the police come and arrest them and take them to jail. Is the person who was stealing your stuff a robber? They didn't actually commit robbery. I guess we should just let them go free because they didn't do anything. No we convict them of attempted robbery and if convicted they ARE robbers, regardless of the fact that they didn't actually get away with it.
People who attempted to murder someone are possibly felons, but not murderers. They are not convicted for murder but they did commit a crime.
For instance, if you attack someone, he get injured, even though you intent was to kill him, you are not a murderer because you don't succeed. You wil be charged with assault and battery and probably other stuff but still possibly go to jail if convicted.
Just like if someone never succeeded in stealing ur stuff. (for instance he tripped when he started to get your stuff.) He's a criminal but not a robber he never really robbed anyone. In which case he would again be a possible criminal but not a robber because he never actually robbed anyone.
Again not getting away is different from the act of robbery. If commited the act but didn't get away they still robbed you and yes they would be robbers who were caught.
For example, if someone nicks something from the house, then get caught the act it is already robbery.
Let them go free and calling them something they failed at (and never actually did) is two different things. You can still go to jail for something you attempted to do but that does never actually succeeding in commiting the action does not make you a robber/murderer. They are criminals if convicted as attempted murder is a crime.
Felons are anyone who commits a felony. That doesn't differentiate from someone who commits murder, attempted muder or rape. You are skirting the question. Just what do you call someone who commits attempted murder?
And I don't believe you when you say that someone who stole from your house and was caught in the act is not a robber. No one in their right mind thinks that way.
Let me pose another question. What if a man decides to hold up a liquor store and pulls a gun on the cashier. The cashier refuses to give him the money and the man decides to kill him and fires his gun. But just before the man fires his gun, a bystander jumps in front of the man with the gun to try to stop him from shooting the cashier. The bystander is accidentally shot and killed. Now, is the man a killer? He didn't mean to kill the bystander, only the cashier, so his intended victim lived.
So what do you call someone who is in jail for attempted murder? I call them muderers or killers. What do you call them? Innocent? Let's try another scenario. Let's say that you come home from work one day and someone is stealing your stuff from your house. You call the police and the police come and arrest them and take them to jail. Is the person who was stealing your stuff a robber? They didn't actually commit robbery. I guess we should just let them go free because they didn't do anything. No we convict them of attempted robbery and if convicted they ARE robbers, regardless of the fact that they didn't actually get away with it.
People who attempted to murder someone are possibly felons, but not murderers. They are not convicted for murder but they did commit a crime.
For instance, if you attack someone, he get injured, even though you intent was to kill him, you are not a murderer because you don't succeed. You wil be charged with assault and battery and probably other stuff but still possibly go to jail if convicted.
Just like if someone never succeeded in stealing ur stuff. (for instance he tripped when he started to get your stuff.) He's a criminal but not a robber he never really robbed anyone. In which case he would again be a possible criminal but not a robber because he never actually robbed anyone.
Again not getting away is different from the act of robbery. If commited the act but didn't get away they still robbed you and yes they would be robbers who were caught.
For example, if someone nicks something from the house, then get caught the act it is already robbery.
Let them go free and calling them something they failed at (and never actually did) is two different things. You can still go to jail for something you attempted to do but that does never actually succeeding in commiting the action does not make you a robber/murderer. They are criminals if convicted as attempted murder is a crime.
Felons are anyone who commits a felony. That doesn't differentiate from someone who commits murder, attempted muder or rape. You are skirting the question. Just what do you call someone who commits attempted murder?
And I don't believe you when you say that someone who stole from your house and was caught in the act is not a robber. No one in their right mind thinks that way.
Let me pose another question. What if a man decides to hold up a liquor store and pulls a gun on the cashier. The cashier refuses to give him the money and the man decides to kill him and fires his gun. But just before the man fires his gun, a bystander jumps in front of the man with the gun to try to stop him from shooting the cashier. The bystander is accidentally shot and killed. Now, is the man a killer? He didn't mean to kill the bystander, only the cashier, so his intended victim lived.
I'm not skirting the question I'm answering you very directly. One more time.....
If someone attacks another, even with intent of killing him but does not, he's not a murderer.
Someone steals from your house... he's a robber, even when caught in the act because had already taken something and was attempting to get away.
If on the other hand he didn't take anything and you found him in your house it's breaking and entering and he's not a robber. (For example if he has a bag filled up with your stuff that's already taking something so he's a robber in this context.)
As for the liquor store bit, someone died so he's a killer. He killed someone. So it's an accident he got the other guy he's still a killer. If the other guy didn't die and he shot him even with intent to kill, he not a killer because he didn't kill anyone.
If you need a descriptive term these other people who are not robbers or murderers may be possibly criminals, felons or suspects (if not convicted yet).
Wow sucks .... because you don't have the time anymore to play other games. Blizzard took the standards of game design into the stratosphere in 2005 ... and improved it . Just made a visit to Xfire website (you know WHAT people play out there...). Incredible really. 1036 days non stop on number 1 being played. Almost DOUBLE play as number 2 a newly released PC game. Almost 60% of the MMORPG people play WOW, no matter how many "sucks" threads are created... So the question is ... who sucks ???
World of warcraft. It's a mainstream mmo for 10 year olds and soccer moms alike.
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
As for the liquor store bit, someone died so he's a killer. He killed someone. So it's an accident he got the other guy he's still a killer. If the other guy didn't die and he shot him even with intent to kill, he not a killer because he didn't kill anyone.
Alright, so lets run with this then shall we?
A man is on his way home from work in his car and he has a blowout in his right front tire. The car veers to the right, he attempts to gain control but can't. He slams on the brakes, but before the car comes to a stop, it jumps the curb and hits a pedestrian and kills him. Killer? Someone died and he killed him. By your definition that's a killer because intent is not important, only the outcome.
By my definition he's NOT a killer because he never ATTEMPTED to kill the person. It's the INTENT of the person that is important, not the outcome.
and why I left it for those glancing over looking for a new game. TLDR: WoW sucks. look elsewhere 1. Battlegrounds - be prepared to spend most of your life in here if you even want to try and compete. There's a massive world that goes ignored while 90% of players are in here lookin for gear. 2. Arenas - A failed attempt at an Electronic sport. Even most players hate it. Blizzard won't give it up so it's left as the major focus of the game. Forget raiding Orgrimmar or Stormwind! hop in this cage for endless hours. 3. The world is a lie. 4. You either PvP or PvE, there's no in between. The gear you get in pve won't help you in pvp and vice versa. At one point you could do group dungeons and pvp and both aspects were rewarded. not anymore. 5. There's just no meaningful endgame.
Thanks for reading. You'd thank me if you only knew.
So why is WOW the number one played PC game for almost 1100 days in a row?
Why does it have a 60% market share in the MMO field and a newly -much hyped- Conan is at 3% and already falling? I don't think they use XFire in China (lol).
Because it sucks ?
LOL
No ...because it is THAT good compared to the market of PC video games.
Standards were raised by Blizzard - from SC to WC3 to Diablo 2 to WOW ....and no one can follow...
Grtz to Blizzard.
BTW I found this on the web.... interesting after 4 years don't you think ? )
You want great PvP? Go play the arena - go play at the MLG 3v3 Tournaments for - what is it - $12,000? You think it requires no skill? Go try your hand.
While I do agree that not all classes shine as well as others - it's still a great form of PvP.
Is competing for money not good enough for you?
The rewards for your PvP skills are gear pieces - just the same as PvE. Go raid Sunwell, spend all that time preparing and coordinating the slow ones all for a chance at some purples and if you're a hunter, one orange.
And on the gear for PvP and PvE issue - are you on crack? Pre-BC the best PvP gear was PvE gear. The sexy Hand of Rag, the Ashkandi, axe off C'thun and the Corrupted Ashbringer.
EDIT: Sorry for only listing the big 2handed weapons - my main was a Warrior.
And it makes absolutely no sense to PvE for PvP gear. Just like it would make no sense to PvP for PvE gear. Welcome to the world of Resilence yeah? God forbid Warriors be able to tank with PvP gear yeah?
Was Pre-BC PvP not good enough for you? I mean, you only had to sit your damned life away in BGs farming Honor so you could become High Warlord or Grand Marshall - that sh*t was painful.
Only now, you work for Gladiator status and the fastest mount in the game - what more do you want?
Lets get Orange items from PvP!
Now, I will admit to World PvP being dead, in terms of raiding capital cities. The reason is simple - no incentive to do so. These days, people are looking for rewards - city raiding doesn't provide that.
But come on, if you want to raid a city, what the hell is stopping you? You may not be successful on your own - but that's a whole different issue yeah?
Go play EVE online and enjoy their massive lagfest PvP battles. It's huge - I'll give you that. But it's incredibly boring imo.
I forgot your other points and I'm too lazy to go back and read - but I think this is enough yeah?
But down to the main point, if you want a game strictly for PvP, get and stay out of WoW please.
That's all I hear from the OP. You want great PvP? Go play the arena - go play at the MLG 3v3 Tournaments for - what is it - $12,000? You think it requires no skill? Go try your hand. While I do agree that not all classes shine as well as others - it's still a great form of PvP. Is competing for money not good enough for you?
The rewards for your PvP skills are gear pieces - just the same as PvE. Go raid Sunwell, spend all that time preparing and coordinating the slow ones all for a chance at some purples and if you're a hunter, one orange. And on the gear for PvP and PvE issue - are you on crack? Pre-BC the best PvP gear was PvE gear. The sexy Hand of Rag, the Ashkandi, axe off C'thun and the Corrupted Ashbringer.
EDIT: Sorry for only listing the big 2handed weapons - my main was a Warrior. And it makes absolutely no sense to PvE for PvP gear. Just like it would make no sense to PvP for PvE gear. Welcome to the world of Resilence yeah? God forbid Warriors be able to tank with PvP gear yeah? Was Pre-BC PvP not good enough for you? I mean, you only had to sit your damned life away in BGs farming Honor so you could become High Warlord or Grand Marshall - that sh*t was painful. Only now, you work for Gladiator status and the fastest mount in the game - what more do you want? Lets get Orange items from PvP!
Now, I will admit to World PvP being dead, in terms of raiding capital cities. The reason is simple - no incentive to do so. These days, people are looking for rewards - city raiding doesn't provide that. But come on, if you want to raid a city, what the hell is stopping you? You may not be successful on your own - but that's a whole different issue yeah?
Go play EVE online and enjoy their massive lagfest PvP battles. It's huge - I'll give you that. But it's incredibly boring imo.
I forgot your other points and I'm too lazy to go back and read - but I think this is enough yeah?
But down to the main point, if you want a game strictly for PvP, get and stay out of WoW please.
Didn't read your undoubtedly mature post, but let me respond in a way you'll most likely understand.
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Man if you dont enjoy doing that then dont do it. The great thing about WOW is that it gives you alot of options in how you can earn gear. I personally like way and I play very casually.
Because they are attempting to grief you. Saying someone is angering you means that you are angered. If you are not angered, then they are not angering you. But you're talking about your reaction to what they are doing, not what they are doing which regardless is the same.
The same is true in WoW. They are called griefers not because of how you react to them, but rather what they expect to accomplish. They could be doing any one of 10 million things that griefers do to try to get you upset. The only thing that matters to them is the end result of you being upset. That is why they are called griefers, because they are trying to cause you grief. It doesn't matter if they actually succeed or not, that's still what they are attempting to do. Someone who tries to grief you and fails does not become a non griefer, they are just a poor griefer.
Well there are lots of ways to avoid a griefer. If you have some kind of stealth you can use that. If you don't there are potions that will stealth you. If you don't have that available, you have a fair bit of real estate with which you can rez and attempt to sneak away unnoticed. If they are a hunter for example and none of the above will work you can simply wait them out. Very few griefers will wait around for very long if you don't rez. and will run off to look for another person to prey on. And if none of that will work you can always switch to your level 70 hunter and camp their butt for awhile which is my favorite option.
Still doesn't make sense to me, since there is no "official" definition hard to say which of you is right. If your definition is right then the word is a misnomer. For instance, a killer only is called one he kills another dead. If the person doesn't die he isn't a killer.
Thus a more valid argument about "griefer" would be if he griefed someone else before.
Most griefers just patrol the same area and if ur still questing there when they come back they just kill you again.
So I guess you don't believe that someone should be convicted of ATTEMPTED murder?
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you. Most people believe that trying to kill someone and failiing is nearly as bad as somone who does kill someone. Perhaps you wouldn't call them a killer, but I firmly believe the name griefer applies to anyone who attempts to grief.
That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Because they are attempting to grief you. Saying someone is angering you means that you are angered. If you are not angered, then they are not angering you. But you're talking about your reaction to what they are doing, not what they are doing which regardless is the same.
The same is true in WoW. They are called griefers not because of how you react to them, but rather what they expect to accomplish. They could be doing any one of 10 million things that griefers do to try to get you upset. The only thing that matters to them is the end result of you being upset. That is why they are called griefers, because they are trying to cause you grief. It doesn't matter if they actually succeed or not, that's still what they are attempting to do. Someone who tries to grief you and fails does not become a non griefer, they are just a poor griefer.
Well there are lots of ways to avoid a griefer. If you have some kind of stealth you can use that. If you don't there are potions that will stealth you. If you don't have that available, you have a fair bit of real estate with which you can rez and attempt to sneak away unnoticed. If they are a hunter for example and none of the above will work you can simply wait them out. Very few griefers will wait around for very long if you don't rez. and will run off to look for another person to prey on. And if none of that will work you can always switch to your level 70 hunter and camp their butt for awhile which is my favorite option.
Still doesn't make sense to me, since there is no "official" definition hard to say which of you is right. If your definition is right then the word is a misnomer. For instance, a killer only is called one he kills another dead. If the person doesn't die he isn't a killer.
Thus a more valid argument about "griefer" would be if he griefed someone else before.
Most griefers just patrol the same area and if ur still questing there when they come back they just kill you again.
So I guess you don't believe that someone should be convicted of ATTEMPTED murder?
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you. Most people believe that trying to kill someone and failiing is nearly as bad as somone who does kill someone. Perhaps you wouldn't call them a killer, but I firmly believe the name griefer applies to anyone who attempts to grief.
That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
If you don't succeed in murdering someone ur not a murderer period. Being just as bad is another story but does not affect the name.
"World of Gearcraft to distract us from the fact that it takes them 2+ years to release expansions."
That sums it up for me. So boring.
Because they are attempting to grief you. Saying someone is angering you means that you are angered. If you are not angered, then they are not angering you. But you're talking about your reaction to what they are doing, not what they are doing which regardless is the same.
The same is true in WoW. They are called griefers not because of how you react to them, but rather what they expect to accomplish. They could be doing any one of 10 million things that griefers do to try to get you upset. The only thing that matters to them is the end result of you being upset. That is why they are called griefers, because they are trying to cause you grief. It doesn't matter if they actually succeed or not, that's still what they are attempting to do. Someone who tries to grief you and fails does not become a non griefer, they are just a poor griefer.
Well there are lots of ways to avoid a griefer. If you have some kind of stealth you can use that. If you don't there are potions that will stealth you. If you don't have that available, you have a fair bit of real estate with which you can rez and attempt to sneak away unnoticed. If they are a hunter for example and none of the above will work you can simply wait them out. Very few griefers will wait around for very long if you don't rez. and will run off to look for another person to prey on. And if none of that will work you can always switch to your level 70 hunter and camp their butt for awhile which is my favorite option.
Still doesn't make sense to me, since there is no "official" definition hard to say which of you is right. If your definition is right then the word is a misnomer. For instance, a killer only is called one he kills another dead. If the person doesn't die he isn't a killer.
Thus a more valid argument about "griefer" would be if he griefed someone else before.
Most griefers just patrol the same area and if ur still questing there when they come back they just kill you again.
So I guess you don't believe that someone should be convicted of ATTEMPTED murder?
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you. Most people believe that trying to kill someone and failiing is nearly as bad as somone who does kill someone. Perhaps you wouldn't call them a killer, but I firmly believe the name griefer applies to anyone who attempts to grief.
That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
If you don't succeed in murdering someone ur not a murderer period. Being just as bad is another story but does not affect the name.
So what do you call someone who is in jail for attempted murder? I call them muderers or killers. What do you call them? Innocent?
Let's try another scenario.
Let's say that you come home from work one day and someone is stealing your stuff from your house. You call the police and the police come and arrest them and take them to jail. Is the person who was stealing your stuff a robber? They didn't actually commit robbery. I guess we should just let them go free because they didn't do anything. No we convict them of attempted robbery and if convicted they ARE robbers, regardless of the fact that they didn't actually get away with it.
It doesn't take skill to do anything in WoW so don't listen to the "leet kiddies".
I completely agree though. When I first played the game I was having fun, but slowly and brilliantly, Blizzard moved the fun from the game to the most well designed timesink of a game ever.
I guess some people enjoy spending months for a piece of gear. I could probably do it too, but knowing it's going to be replaced in the next expansion kind of kills the progression part.
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McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
Biggest reason it may have sucked..people like you were in it ?
You mean people telling it like it is? As opposed to the 10 year olds and soccer moms playing it right?
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i think its funny that the biggest company with the most cash gets outclassed by Turbine (and many other companies) when it comes to releasing content.
seriously...they can afford to hire like 100 people to work on 3 patches at once or even 2 expansions. so sad...
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
wow development is awesome. millions of customers and 2 ppl developing content the way it seems....
4 years 4 bg's
0 new classes and 2 lol lore races.
same mobs and items and different colors mostly over and over again....
it used t o be great but now it lacks content and WOTLK wont cut it...
When I played beta in wow I thought it was a solid game but I just didnt see much lasting power.....I saw ti as a game taht would be fun for 4-6 months and thats about it.......How people can play it for longer than that I just cant see.......I think alot of the people that have stayed just dont know anything else (MMO wise) and are afraid to come out of their comfort zone.......The only thing that really sucks about WoW is that it has spoiled a whole new generation of MMO players rotten by making its game too easy......I really dont think we're going to see a challenging fantasy game again as long as WoW is successful...... Were going to see the same crud weve been seeing the past 3 years with 99 percent of the new games geared toward the player that has 1-2 hours a day to play and making it easy for them......
Because they are attempting to grief you. Saying someone is angering you means that you are angered. If you are not angered, then they are not angering you. But you're talking about your reaction to what they are doing, not what they are doing which regardless is the same.
The same is true in WoW. They are called griefers not because of how you react to them, but rather what they expect to accomplish. They could be doing any one of 10 million things that griefers do to try to get you upset. The only thing that matters to them is the end result of you being upset. That is why they are called griefers, because they are trying to cause you grief. It doesn't matter if they actually succeed or not, that's still what they are attempting to do. Someone who tries to grief you and fails does not become a non griefer, they are just a poor griefer.
Well there are lots of ways to avoid a griefer. If you have some kind of stealth you can use that. If you don't there are potions that will stealth you. If you don't have that available, you have a fair bit of real estate with which you can rez and attempt to sneak away unnoticed. If they are a hunter for example and none of the above will work you can simply wait them out. Very few griefers will wait around for very long if you don't rez. and will run off to look for another person to prey on. And if none of that will work you can always switch to your level 70 hunter and camp their butt for awhile which is my favorite option.
Still doesn't make sense to me, since there is no "official" definition hard to say which of you is right. If your definition is right then the word is a misnomer. For instance, a killer only is called one he kills another dead. If the person doesn't die he isn't a killer.
Thus a more valid argument about "griefer" would be if he griefed someone else before.
Most griefers just patrol the same area and if ur still questing there when they come back they just kill you again.
So I guess you don't believe that someone should be convicted of ATTEMPTED murder?
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you. Most people believe that trying to kill someone and failiing is nearly as bad as somone who does kill someone. Perhaps you wouldn't call them a killer, but I firmly believe the name griefer applies to anyone who attempts to grief.
That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
If you don't succeed in murdering someone ur not a murderer period. Being just as bad is another story but does not affect the name.
So what do you call someone who is in jail for attempted murder? I call them muderers or killers. What do you call them? Innocent?
Let's try another scenario.
Let's say that you come home from work one day and someone is stealing your stuff from your house. You call the police and the police come and arrest them and take them to jail. Is the person who was stealing your stuff a robber? They didn't actually commit robbery. I guess we should just let them go free because they didn't do anything. No we convict them of attempted robbery and if convicted they ARE robbers, regardless of the fact that they didn't actually get away with it.
People who attempted to murder someone are possibly felons, but not murderers. They are not convicted for murder but they did commit a crime.
For instance, if you attack someone, he get injured, even though you intent was to kill him, you are not a murderer because you don't succeed. You wil be charged with assault and battery and probably other stuff but still possibly go to jail if convicted.
Just like if someone never succeeded in stealing ur stuff. (for instance he tripped when he started to get your stuff.) He's a criminal but not a robber he never really robbed anyone. In which case he would again be a possible criminal but not a robber because he never actually robbed anyone.
Again not getting away is different from the act of robbery. If commited the act but didn't get away they still robbed you and yes they would be robbers who were caught.
For example, if someone nicks something from the house, then get caught the act it is already robbery.
Let them go free and calling them something they failed at (and never actually did) is two different things. You can still go to jail for something you attempted to do but that does never actually succeeding in commiting the action does not make you a robber/murderer. They are criminals if convicted as attempted murder is a crime.
Wow sucks .... because you don't have the time anymore to play other games.
Blizzard took the standards of game design into the stratosphere in 2005 ... and improved it .
Just made a visit to Xfire website (you know WHAT people play out there...). Incredible really. 1036 days non stop on number 1 being played. Almost DOUBLE play as number 2 a newly released PC game.
Almost 60% of the MMORPG people play WOW, no matter how many "sucks" threads are created...
So the question is ... who sucks ???
People who attempted to murder someone are possibly felons, but not murderers. They are not convicted for murder but they did commit a crime.
For instance, if you attack someone, he get injured, even though you intent was to kill him, you are not a murderer because you don't succeed. You wil be charged with assault and battery and probably other stuff but still possibly go to jail if convicted.
Just like if someone never succeeded in stealing ur stuff. (for instance he tripped when he started to get your stuff.) He's a criminal but not a robber he never really robbed anyone. In which case he would again be a possible criminal but not a robber because he never actually robbed anyone.
Again not getting away is different from the act of robbery. If commited the act but didn't get away they still robbed you and yes they would be robbers who were caught.
For example, if someone nicks something from the house, then get caught the act it is already robbery.
Let them go free and calling them something they failed at (and never actually did) is two different things. You can still go to jail for something you attempted to do but that does never actually succeeding in commiting the action does not make you a robber/murderer. They are criminals if convicted as attempted murder is a crime.
Felons are anyone who commits a felony. That doesn't differentiate from someone who commits murder, attempted muder or rape. You are skirting the question. Just what do you call someone who commits attempted murder?
And I don't believe you when you say that someone who stole from your house and was caught in the act is not a robber. No one in their right mind thinks that way.
Let me pose another question. What if a man decides to hold up a liquor store and pulls a gun on the cashier. The cashier refuses to give him the money and the man decides to kill him and fires his gun. But just before the man fires his gun, a bystander jumps in front of the man with the gun to try to stop him from shooting the cashier. The bystander is accidentally shot and killed. Now, is the man a killer? He didn't mean to kill the bystander, only the cashier, so his intended victim lived.
People who attempted to murder someone are possibly felons, but not murderers. They are not convicted for murder but they did commit a crime.
For instance, if you attack someone, he get injured, even though you intent was to kill him, you are not a murderer because you don't succeed. You wil be charged with assault and battery and probably other stuff but still possibly go to jail if convicted.
Just like if someone never succeeded in stealing ur stuff. (for instance he tripped when he started to get your stuff.) He's a criminal but not a robber he never really robbed anyone. In which case he would again be a possible criminal but not a robber because he never actually robbed anyone.
Again not getting away is different from the act of robbery. If commited the act but didn't get away they still robbed you and yes they would be robbers who were caught.
For example, if someone nicks something from the house, then get caught the act it is already robbery.
Let them go free and calling them something they failed at (and never actually did) is two different things. You can still go to jail for something you attempted to do but that does never actually succeeding in commiting the action does not make you a robber/murderer. They are criminals if convicted as attempted murder is a crime.
Felons are anyone who commits a felony. That doesn't differentiate from someone who commits murder, attempted muder or rape. You are skirting the question. Just what do you call someone who commits attempted murder?
And I don't believe you when you say that someone who stole from your house and was caught in the act is not a robber. No one in their right mind thinks that way.
Let me pose another question. What if a man decides to hold up a liquor store and pulls a gun on the cashier. The cashier refuses to give him the money and the man decides to kill him and fires his gun. But just before the man fires his gun, a bystander jumps in front of the man with the gun to try to stop him from shooting the cashier. The bystander is accidentally shot and killed. Now, is the man a killer? He didn't mean to kill the bystander, only the cashier, so his intended victim lived.
I'm not skirting the question I'm answering you very directly. One more time.....
If someone attacks another, even with intent of killing him but does not, he's not a murderer.
Someone steals from your house... he's a robber, even when caught in the act because had already taken something and was attempting to get away.
If on the other hand he didn't take anything and you found him in your house it's breaking and entering and he's not a robber. (For example if he has a bag filled up with your stuff that's already taking something so he's a robber in this context.)
As for the liquor store bit, someone died so he's a killer. He killed someone. So it's an accident he got the other guy he's still a killer. If the other guy didn't die and he shot him even with intent to kill, he not a killer because he didn't kill anyone.
If you need a descriptive term these other people who are not robbers or murderers may be possibly criminals, felons or suspects (if not convicted yet).
Did not kill = not killer
Did no steal = not robber
World of warcraft. It's a mainstream mmo for 10 year olds and soccer moms alike.
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Alright, so lets run with this then shall we?
A man is on his way home from work in his car and he has a blowout in his right front tire. The car veers to the right, he attempts to gain control but can't. He slams on the brakes, but before the car comes to a stop, it jumps the curb and hits a pedestrian and kills him. Killer? Someone died and he killed him. By your definition that's a killer because intent is not important, only the outcome.
By my definition he's NOT a killer because he never ATTEMPTED to kill the person. It's the INTENT of the person that is important, not the outcome.
Did not kill = not killer implies that
Did kill = killer
I agree with everything except with 4.
So why is WOW the number one played PC game for almost 1100 days in a row?
Why does it have a 60% market share in the MMO field and a newly -much hyped- Conan is at 3% and already falling? I don't think they use XFire in China (lol).
Because it sucks ?
LOL
No ...because it is THAT good compared to the market of PC video games.
Standards were raised by Blizzard - from SC to WC3 to Diablo 2 to WOW ....and no one can follow...
Grtz to Blizzard.
BTW I found this on the web.... interesting after 4 years don't you think ?
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Wow sucks big? Yep it sucks ALL the blood out of the competition ..... LOL
Bad Community.
....and we finally get to the resort of those unable to make a real argument......LOL
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
That's all I hear from the OP.
You want great PvP? Go play the arena - go play at the MLG 3v3 Tournaments for - what is it - $12,000? You think it requires no skill? Go try your hand.
While I do agree that not all classes shine as well as others - it's still a great form of PvP.
Is competing for money not good enough for you?
The rewards for your PvP skills are gear pieces - just the same as PvE. Go raid Sunwell, spend all that time preparing and coordinating the slow ones all for a chance at some purples and if you're a hunter, one orange.
And on the gear for PvP and PvE issue - are you on crack? Pre-BC the best PvP gear was PvE gear. The sexy Hand of Rag, the Ashkandi, axe off C'thun and the Corrupted Ashbringer.
EDIT: Sorry for only listing the big 2handed weapons - my main was a Warrior.
And it makes absolutely no sense to PvE for PvP gear. Just like it would make no sense to PvP for PvE gear.
Welcome to the world of Resilence yeah? God forbid Warriors be able to tank with PvP gear yeah?
Was Pre-BC PvP not good enough for you? I mean, you only had to sit your damned life away in BGs farming Honor so you could become High Warlord or Grand Marshall - that sh*t was painful.
Only now, you work for Gladiator status and the fastest mount in the game - what more do you want?
Now, I will admit to World PvP being dead, in terms of raiding capital cities. The reason is simple - no incentive to do so. These days, people are looking for rewards - city raiding doesn't provide that.
But come on, if you want to raid a city, what the hell is stopping you? You may not be successful on your own - but that's a whole different issue yeah?
Go play EVE online and enjoy their massive lagfest PvP battles. It's huge - I'll give you that. But it's incredibly boring imo.
I forgot your other points and I'm too lazy to go back and read - but I think this is enough yeah?
But down to the main point, if you want a game strictly for PvP, get and stay out of WoW please.
....and we finally get to the resort of those unable to make a real argument......LOL
Actually my argument has been pretty clear fanboi. You have yet to make one.
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Didn't read your undoubtedly mature post, but let me respond in a way you'll most likely understand.
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<------you
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WoW the game is great.
The people who run it are the ones who SUCK.
Absolutely the WORST excuse for customer service I have ever seen.
They have become so big they don't even try to be respectful to their playerbase anymore.
Their motto is "Don't like it? SCREW. What do we care? We have millions of other people. We don't need you."