The other announcement is that WAR is only going to start with 2 cities (empire and chaos) and the other 4 will be released post launch. This is actually good news.
As they say, love is blind.
And so is hate.
I can see and my eyes are wide open since, unlike you, I'm in Beta.
By the way, nice job editing out the rest of that post you responded to. Way to take it out of context. Bravo! You can be a great corrupt politician.
How was in taken out of context just by omiting your supporting thoughts? You said it was good news. Isn't that what you meant? Just that not everyone thinks it's good news. Yeah I'd make a good politician if I were trying to mislead. You're trying and failing.
People seem to think that a MAJORITY of the content has been removed? Right from the start, Mythic has promised us large cities. When it becamse apparent that they need to make changes or extend the release date, they decided to makechanges.
Yea, I'm not happy. But there are still numerous amounts of content. Both the Empire and Chaos are, any warhammer fan can agree, the core fractions in the warhammer world. The chaos are the evil of man given life and form. The empire is the advancment of civilization, struggling to survive in a war torn world. Wether by accident or design, it makes sense to keep these two capital cities in at launch. The cities themselves are too be large, as said many times over. And detailed. I do not understand why people would rather have buggy, smaller cities rather than something that is complete? And why are we kidding ourselves? Even in WoW, the most populated mmo atm, some racial cities seem empty. Depending how how pivital the cities are to gameplay we do not know how many people will actually visit them during thier down time.
With the exclusion of the four other capital cities, the remainder of the zones, scenearios, ect are still in the game. With all of the PQ, normal quests and rvr. So how can we say that there is a large lack of content? The tiered rvr system is still implemented although its function will be altered. We will get keeps, guild systems, ect. I'm upset as any other fan, but I know that this does not mean that there are only ten hours of gameplay in this mmo now.Hell even with additional cuts, god forbid, there is still tons off content.
As for the classes. Come on, we have all played mmos where there was one under balanced or over balanced classes. Hell in WoW I would literally swear at the screen as I fought with paladins only to have them constantly bubble and heal.I'm upset by the class cuts, but if they are under powered or tedious to play 'd rather have them removed and introduced at a different time with a different concept.
Go ahead and complain, I know I will, but try not to make it out as a major content cut. WAR still has numerous, and I mean numerous amounts of contents and options. The only thing that would make me turn down WAR, get my 80$ back is if the Tome of Knowledge never made it in or was seriosuly broken.
1. I'd rather have 2 amazing cities, that are truely everything a capitol should be. Rather than 6 mediocre cities which are just shells of what is possible, and nobody would be happy with that either. But i do agree that it is sorta a drain on the other campaigns, why bother playing in them if all your gonna get is a blank ending?
Here's how James (on the VN board) explained how the dynamics of it will work now with just 2 cities:
"You're going to have to capture 2 full campaigns to assault the gates of a capital city
It's going to result in some truly epic battles."
Ya i came across this after i made the post =/. *shrug* But hey Nobody's right all the time, I'm allowed to make a few mistakes too =D.
Also another mistake.
27 zones, 2 main cities, and 18 classes. =P If you guys think that's lackluster.... That's not even counting dungeons and scenarios =P
While this is disappointing it's far from a "lack of content at release"(ala aoc). The game will still be good.
1. I'd rather have 2 amazing cities, that are truely everything a capitol should be. Rather than 6 mediocre cities which are just shells of what is possible, and nobody would be happy with that either. But i do agree that it is sorta a drain on the other campaigns, why bother playing in them if all your gonna get is a blank ending?
Here's how James (on the VN board) explained how the dynamics of it will work now with just 2 cities:
"You're going to have to capture 2 full campaigns to assault the gates of a capital city
It's going to result in some truly epic battles."
Ya i came across this after i made the post =/. *shrug* But hey Nobody's right all the time, I'm allowed to make a few mistakes too =D.
Also another mistake.
27 zones, 2 main cities, and 18 classes. =P If you guys think that's lackluster.... That's not even counting dungeons and scenarios =P
While this is disappointing it's far from a "lack of content at release"(ala aoc). The game will still be good.
18+2 classes actually
yes i know that, i accidently counted off choppa/iron breaker twice =P
My biggest complaint is with the capital cities. Unless I'm wrong your still going to have the 4 other races but without a capital city. Personally I would rather have a rank1 city sitting there to give me basic needs. They dont need to be completely working for RvR in my opinion but come on...feels like I'm the red headed stepchild. I get to play a race that doesnt even have something to call home. I'm happy they told us this far in advance PLUS plan on letting the NDA lift early compared to recent game(s). From a lore standpoint though 4 races will just feel incomplete without the cities...even in a stage1 state.
Do you really want to have 4 ghost towns? Just like in WoW, where Oggrimar is the "true" capital, even with 4 other cities. Blizzard spent a LOT of time developing Silvermoon City, but there is NO ONE THERE.
2 Sides, 2 Cities. That's how its going to end up anyways, I don't see the point in developing content that people will see once, then never go there again.
My biggest complaint is with the capital cities. Unless I'm wrong your still going to have the 4 other races but without a capital city. Personally I would rather have a rank1 city sitting there to give me basic needs. They dont need to be completely working for RvR in my opinion but come on...feels like I'm the red headed stepchild. I get to play a race that doesnt even have something to call home. I'm happy they told us this far in advance PLUS plan on letting the NDA lift early compared to recent game(s). From a lore standpoint though 4 races will just feel incomplete without the cities...even in a stage1 state.
You can get all your basic necessities from Altdorf / Inevitable city....there's ample transportation in the game to do this.
I'll play devil's advocate. You admitted your in closed beta and your fear is that having all cities up and running would spread forces too thin.
I hope that there should be a lot more people on the server than in a closed Beta test, so there should not have as much as the number problems as you suggest. I remember seeing a video of Jeff answering a question that there is number set cap number of people per server, thousands was a term tossed around. 4-5 thousand people per server. Roughly 1,000 per race. That allows for a lot of city raids and defense. Not to mention NPCs which can be created as the game deems as necessary.
So eliminating the content in the other race cities, players will be pathed to two. These two cities are part of their respective regions, not an entire zone of itself. Given that the devs have stated the relative rapid level rate, there will be a lot of players waiting at the doors of the city. You can account for different time zones,and not all active accounts are online at once, but I still think they are going to have too many players in one area.
Having all lthe cities at least functioning gives players quality gametime without flooding the city gates in a lagfest.
I could be all wet in my analysis. But I still have my visceral guts wrenched here and I think writing helps me release it .
Do you really want to have 4 ghost towns? Just like in WoW, where Oggrimar is the "true" capital, even with 4 other cities. Blizzard spent a LOT of time developing Silvermoon City, but there is NO ONE THERE.
2 Sides, 2 Cities. That's how its going to end up anyways, I don't see the point in developing content that people will see once, then never go there again. Go WAR!
What a horrible comparison. There was actually a point to assaulting the cities in WAR so of course they would get used.
OMG we still have half a game to play! Why are you guys complaining? All the content didn't just disappear! The less content we have the more quality it will be!! Please please almight Mythic only give us ONE CLASS so it can be the most uberest class of all!!!!
OMG we still have half a game to play! Why are you guys complaining? All the content didn't just disappear! The less content we have the more quality it will be!! Please please almight Mythic only give us ONE CLASS so it can be the most uberest class of all!!!!
LOL! Hey everyone lets buy a half finished game!
Sorry for trolling but when I saw this I couldn't resist.
OMG we still have half a game to play! Why are you guys complaining? All the content didn't just disappear! The less content we have the more quality it will be!! Please please almight Mythic only give us ONE CLASS so it can be the most uberest class of all!!!!
LOL! Hey everyone lets buy a half finished game!
Sorry for trolling but when I saw this I couldn't resist.
Someone's not going to use the half full vs. half empty analogy?
OMG we still have half a game to play! Why are you guys complaining? All the content didn't just disappear! The less content we have the more quality it will be!! Please please almight Mythic only give us ONE CLASS so it can be the most uberest class of all!!!!
LOL! Hey everyone lets buy a half finished game!
Sorry for trolling but when I saw this I couldn't resist.
Someone's not going to use the half full vs. half empty analogy?
Do you people seriously see this as half of the content being taken away?
I'll play devil's advocate. You admitted your in closed beta and your fear is that having all cities up and running would spread forces too thin. I hope that there should be a lot more people on the server than in a closed Beta test, so there should not have as much as the number problems as you suggest. I remember seeing a video of Jeff answering a question that there is number set cap number of people per server, thousands was a term tossed around. 4-5 thousand people per server. Roughly 1,000 per race. That allows for a lot of city raids and defense. Not to mention NPCs which can be created as the game deems as necessary. So eliminating the content in the other race cities, players will be pathed to two. These two cities are part of their respective regions, not an entire zone of itself. Given that the devs have stated the relative rapid level rate, there will be a lot of players waiting at the doors of the city. You can account for different time zones,and not all active accounts are online at once, but I still think they are going to have too many players in one area. Having all lthe cities at least functioning gives players quality gametime without flooding the city gates in a lagfest. I could be all wet in my analysis. But I still have my visceral guts wrenched here and I think writing helps me release it .
well if your afraid your gonna miss content outside the city because no quest leads you there I can't help you with that...but they're not eliminating the zones & activites outside the Capitals ... you might OMG have to actually explore instead of having someone POINT you to something.
A missing city means we're missing city dungeons and internal city quests. To be honest..you can find those things in the other cites..and since they're making the cities even BIGGER now it just means when those other 4 open up its that much more NEW content to play. Its a good design decision for long term purposes and games that think only on the short hand don't make it in the MMO business.
seems like Blizzard is not btter than other game companies I guess... promise heaven and earth and gives us a small piece of it.
what are you rambling about? We all KNEW this could happen the Mythic Devs said months ago they'd cut / remove from launch any content / classes etc that was SUBPAR...we just all were hoping lol.
Seiging is in, Keeps In, Lots of classes In, Huge Cities In, lots of content IN...whats there truely to whine about? All the basics are there just a few components that would be negative to experience are out.
no they didn't say they would they said they might... tha't a diffrence...
OMG we still have half a game to play! Why are you guys complaining? All the content didn't just disappear! The less content we have the more quality it will be!! Please please almight Mythic only give us ONE CLASS so it can be the most uberest class of all!!!!
LOL! Hey everyone lets buy a half finished game!
Sorry for trolling but when I saw this I couldn't resist.
Someone's not going to use the half full vs. half empty analogy?
Do you people seriously see this as half of the content being taken away?
Once a man hand gangrene in is arm, the doctor told him he had to cut it off, the man refused then the doctor asked him "You want to be Alive or Whole?"
"There no I in team but there a WE in weapon." -Thoragrin Oxenhide
OMG we still have half a game to play! Why are you guys complaining? All the content didn't just disappear! The less content we have the more quality it will be!! Please please almight Mythic only give us ONE CLASS so it can be the most uberest class of all!!!!
LOL! Hey everyone lets buy a half finished game!
Sorry for trolling but when I saw this I couldn't resist.
Someone's not going to use the half full vs. half empty analogy?
Do you people seriously see this as half of the content being taken away?
Once a man hand gangrene in is arm, the doctor told him he had to cut it off, the man refused then the doctor asked him "You want to be Alive or Whole?"
OMG we still have half a game to play! Why are you guys complaining? All the content didn't just disappear! The less content we have the more quality it will be!! Please please almight Mythic only give us ONE CLASS so it can be the most uberest class of all!!!!
LOL! Hey everyone lets buy a half finished game!
Sorry for trolling but when I saw this I couldn't resist.
Someone's not going to use the half full vs. half empty analogy?
Do you people seriously see this as half of the content being taken away?
Once a man hand gangrene in is arm, the doctor told him he had to cut it off, the man refused then the doctor asked him "You want to be Alive or Whole?"
Exactly, while some people rather stay alive, I think I would rather be whole.
I don't see this as half the game being cut out, i just commented on a post I saw, I will still probably try WAR if they don't cut back on some other things too.
Who knows? Maybe this is a good thing! (though I doubt it)
Maybe this will bring more focus on RvR and bigger battles!
Or maybe its the worst thing that could happen to this game! We can't really say till the game is out, and i will do just that, wait and read few reviews and community reactions to this game.
OMG we still have half a game to play! Why are you guys complaining? All the content didn't just disappear! The less content we have the more quality it will be!! Please please almight Mythic only give us ONE CLASS so it can be the most uberest class of all!!!!
LOL! Hey everyone lets buy a half finished game!
Sorry for trolling but when I saw this I couldn't resist.
Someone's not going to use the half full vs. half empty analogy?
Do you people seriously see this as half of the content being taken away?
Once a man hand gangrene in is arm, the doctor told him he had to cut it off, the man refused then the doctor asked him "You want to be Alive or Whole?"
Let the man die and bring a better one.
if your the man in that story id totaly agree.
"There no I in team but there a WE in weapon." -Thoragrin Oxenhide
I'll remember that for you greymann if you go to a hospital and the doctor is deciding on whether to kill you or amputate your leg. Personally I'd rather amputate...they're moving on up in the world of prostetics.
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As they say, love is blind.
And so is hate.
I can see and my eyes are wide open since, unlike you, I'm in Beta.
By the way, nice job editing out the rest of that post you responded to. Way to take it out of context. Bravo! You can be a great corrupt politician.
How was in taken out of context just by omiting your supporting thoughts? You said it was good news. Isn't that what you meant? Just that not everyone thinks it's good news. Yeah I'd make a good politician if I were trying to mislead. You're trying and failing.
People seem to think that a MAJORITY of the content has been removed? Right from the start, Mythic has promised us large cities. When it becamse apparent that they need to make changes or extend the release date, they decided to makechanges.
Yea, I'm not happy. But there are still numerous amounts of content. Both the Empire and Chaos are, any warhammer fan can agree, the core fractions in the warhammer world. The chaos are the evil of man given life and form. The empire is the advancment of civilization, struggling to survive in a war torn world. Wether by accident or design, it makes sense to keep these two capital cities in at launch. The cities themselves are too be large, as said many times over. And detailed. I do not understand why people would rather have buggy, smaller cities rather than something that is complete? And why are we kidding ourselves? Even in WoW, the most populated mmo atm, some racial cities seem empty. Depending how how pivital the cities are to gameplay we do not know how many people will actually visit them during thier down time.
With the exclusion of the four other capital cities, the remainder of the zones, scenearios, ect are still in the game. With all of the PQ, normal quests and rvr. So how can we say that there is a large lack of content? The tiered rvr system is still implemented although its function will be altered. We will get keeps, guild systems, ect. I'm upset as any other fan, but I know that this does not mean that there are only ten hours of gameplay in this mmo now.Hell even with additional cuts, god forbid, there is still tons off content.
As for the classes. Come on, we have all played mmos where there was one under balanced or over balanced classes. Hell in WoW I would literally swear at the screen as I fought with paladins only to have them constantly bubble and heal.I'm upset by the class cuts, but if they are under powered or tedious to play 'd rather have them removed and introduced at a different time with a different concept.
Go ahead and complain, I know I will, but try not to make it out as a major content cut. WAR still has numerous, and I mean numerous amounts of contents and options. The only thing that would make me turn down WAR, get my 80$ back is if the Tome of Knowledge never made it in or was seriosuly broken.
One City + Rogue, another City + mage. = two cities + two character types what more do you need for PvP.
Finally someone listened to me and understands what is needed in a PvP game.
To funny.
Im in the beta JustBe I kinda think I have way more information on the game's current condition than you do.
Here's how James (on the VN board) explained how the dynamics of it will work now with just 2 cities:
"You're going to have to capture 2 full campaigns to assault the gates of a capital city
It's going to result in some truly epic battles."
Ya i came across this after i made the post =/. *shrug* But hey Nobody's right all the time, I'm allowed to make a few mistakes too =D.
Also another mistake.
27 zones, 2 main cities, and 18 classes. =P If you guys think that's lackluster.... That's not even counting dungeons and scenarios =P
While this is disappointing it's far from a "lack of content at release"(ala aoc). The game will still be good.
18+2 classes actually
STOP WHINING!
"ZOMG! ZOMG! ZOMG! THE SKY IS FALLING!"
......................say all the chicken littles.
Here's how James (on the VN board) explained how the dynamics of it will work now with just 2 cities:
"You're going to have to capture 2 full campaigns to assault the gates of a capital city
It's going to result in some truly epic battles."
Ya i came across this after i made the post =/. *shrug* But hey Nobody's right all the time, I'm allowed to make a few mistakes too =D.
Also another mistake.
27 zones, 2 main cities, and 18 classes. =P If you guys think that's lackluster.... That's not even counting dungeons and scenarios =P
While this is disappointing it's far from a "lack of content at release"(ala aoc). The game will still be good.
18+2 classes actually
yes i know that, i accidently counted off choppa/iron breaker twice =P
My biggest complaint is with the capital cities. Unless I'm wrong your still going to have the 4 other races but without a capital city. Personally I would rather have a rank1 city sitting there to give me basic needs. They dont need to be completely working for RvR in my opinion but come on...feels like I'm the red headed stepchild. I get to play a race that doesnt even have something to call home. I'm happy they told us this far in advance PLUS plan on letting the NDA lift early compared to recent game(s). From a lore standpoint though 4 races will just feel incomplete without the cities...even in a stage1 state.
You future warhammer players and or fans better get used to this:
Dooom!! Doom! the game will be a failure!!!! And a lot of bad things.
Do you really want to have 4 ghost towns? Just like in WoW, where Oggrimar is the "true" capital, even with 4 other cities. Blizzard spent a LOT of time developing Silvermoon City, but there is NO ONE THERE.
2 Sides, 2 Cities. That's how its going to end up anyways, I don't see the point in developing content that people will see once, then never go there again.
Go WAR!
You can get all your basic necessities from Altdorf / Inevitable city....there's ample transportation in the game to do this.
I'll play devil's advocate. You admitted your in closed beta and your fear is that having all cities up and running would spread forces too thin.
I hope that there should be a lot more people on the server than in a closed Beta test, so there should not have as much as the number problems as you suggest. I remember seeing a video of Jeff answering a question that there is number set cap number of people per server, thousands was a term tossed around. 4-5 thousand people per server. Roughly 1,000 per race. That allows for a lot of city raids and defense. Not to mention NPCs which can be created as the game deems as necessary.
So eliminating the content in the other race cities, players will be pathed to two. These two cities are part of their respective regions, not an entire zone of itself. Given that the devs have stated the relative rapid level rate, there will be a lot of players waiting at the doors of the city. You can account for different time zones,and not all active accounts are online at once, but I still think they are going to have too many players in one area.
Having all lthe cities at least functioning gives players quality gametime without flooding the city gates in a lagfest.
I could be all wet in my analysis. But I still have my visceral guts wrenched here and I think writing helps me release it .
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What a horrible comparison. There was actually a point to assaulting the cities in WAR so of course they would get used.
OMG we still have half a game to play! Why are you guys complaining? All the content didn't just disappear! The less content we have the more quality it will be!! Please please almight Mythic only give us ONE CLASS so it can be the most uberest class of all!!!!
LOL! Hey everyone lets buy a half finished game!
Sorry for trolling but when I saw this I couldn't resist.
LOL! Hey everyone lets buy a half finished game!
Sorry for trolling but when I saw this I couldn't resist.
Someone's not going to use the half full vs. half empty analogy?
LOL! Hey everyone lets buy a half finished game!
Sorry for trolling but when I saw this I couldn't resist.
Someone's not going to use the half full vs. half empty analogy?
Do you people seriously see this as half of the content being taken away?
well if your afraid your gonna miss content outside the city because no quest leads you there I can't help you with that...but they're not eliminating the zones & activites outside the Capitals ... you might OMG have to actually explore instead of having someone POINT you to something.
A missing city means we're missing city dungeons and internal city quests. To be honest..you can find those things in the other cites..and since they're making the cities even BIGGER now it just means when those other 4 open up its that much more NEW content to play. Its a good design decision for long term purposes and games that think only on the short hand don't make it in the MMO business.
what are you rambling about? We all KNEW this could happen the Mythic Devs said months ago they'd cut / remove from launch any content / classes etc that was SUBPAR...we just all were hoping lol.
Seiging is in, Keeps In, Lots of classes In, Huge Cities In, lots of content IN...whats there truely to whine about? All the basics are there just a few components that would be negative to experience are out.
no they didn't say they would they said they might... tha't a diffrence...
LOL! Hey everyone lets buy a half finished game!
Sorry for trolling but when I saw this I couldn't resist.
Someone's not going to use the half full vs. half empty analogy?
Do you people seriously see this as half of the content being taken away?
Once a man hand gangrene in is arm, the doctor told him he had to cut it off, the man refused then the doctor asked him "You want to be Alive or Whole?"
"There no I in team but there a WE in weapon." -Thoragrin Oxenhide
First off, i'd like to say that from all reports, WAR leveling is a good 30-60% slower then WoW, but the max level is 40.
It'll be a good 1-2 months before a siege is even close to happening. It'll be another 1-2 months before a siege succeeds.
Then another 1-2 months before anyone even comes close to mastering a town siege. By then more content should be coming.
LOL! Hey everyone lets buy a half finished game!
Sorry for trolling but when I saw this I couldn't resist.
Someone's not going to use the half full vs. half empty analogy?
Do you people seriously see this as half of the content being taken away?
Once a man hand gangrene in is arm, the doctor told him he had to cut it off, the man refused then the doctor asked him "You want to be Alive or Whole?"
Let the man die and bring a better one.
LOL! Hey everyone lets buy a half finished game!
Sorry for trolling but when I saw this I couldn't resist.
Someone's not going to use the half full vs. half empty analogy?
Do you people seriously see this as half of the content being taken away?
Once a man hand gangrene in is arm, the doctor told him he had to cut it off, the man refused then the doctor asked him "You want to be Alive or Whole?"
Exactly, while some people rather stay alive, I think I would rather be whole.
I don't see this as half the game being cut out, i just commented on a post I saw, I will still probably try WAR if they don't cut back on some other things too.
Who knows? Maybe this is a good thing! (though I doubt it)
Maybe this will bring more focus on RvR and bigger battles!
Or maybe its the worst thing that could happen to this game! We can't really say till the game is out, and i will do just that, wait and read few reviews and community reactions to this game.
LOL! Hey everyone lets buy a half finished game!
Sorry for trolling but when I saw this I couldn't resist.
Someone's not going to use the half full vs. half empty analogy?
Do you people seriously see this as half of the content being taken away?
Once a man hand gangrene in is arm, the doctor told him he had to cut it off, the man refused then the doctor asked him "You want to be Alive or Whole?"
Let the man die and bring a better one.
if your the man in that story id totaly agree.
"There no I in team but there a WE in weapon." -Thoragrin Oxenhide
I'll remember that for you greymann if you go to a hospital and the doctor is deciding on whether to kill you or amputate your leg. Personally I'd rather amputate...they're moving on up in the world of prostetics.