Ya, Blizzard's next mmo will be call Planet Wars. Where you can choose to be either a futuristic cowboy type rogue guy. Or a futuristic knight with weapons called lightaxes where they look like axes but glow. Or you can be the evil versions called the Siftt Lords with weapons called lightbatons, which would be batons made out of a laser.
Then launch a year before KOTOR., so all the Blizzard fanboys can make fun of the KOTOR game for ripping off Plant Wars.
Oh, ya and Planet Wars will be the first mmo you play with an old atari joystick cause thats all you need to play. A joystick and 1 but for the pew pews.
How is War PVP different from any other pvp ? You kill a player , is the end result., adding mechanics is just that adding, the end result one player wins on player loses, War's pvp is just as good as the next, and find that when you have a game with xcontent is basically PvP you won't find anything else then that content wise. It is a bold move for this kind of game on but I doubt it will even dent WoW's numbers. 500k at launch , Blizzard can ban 500k and not feel it.
And this is why WoW does great to the millions of zombies out there playing it.
"I kilted a guy, me be pvping , why we need anything else. PVP is jus fo kiltin people."
Unless War is full loot pvp and xp lose, it is not hardcore. Obtaining command of a area is seiging but that is just a fun mechnaic to a game. What is hardcore about out numbering people ...One thing Ive heard nothing about in this game is the pve content.... something WoW has a good bit of...
Solareus, why are you trolling? Go enjoy playing LOTRO and stop concerning yourself with a game you won't be playing. If you haven't heard anything about PvE in WAR then you obviously have not been following the game. There are tons of quests, the tome of knowledge (which is similar to deeds but oh so much more), public quests, tons of dungeons, and easter eggs hidden all over the place that give you rewards and XP for exploring. It has everything LOTRO has and more.
You also said a few stupid things about PvP being pointless because you fight someone, one of you dies, and you do it again. Well that PvE too genius. You fight a mob, one of you dies, and you do it again. It is even easier in PvE because you know exactly what the mob will do everytime since it is scripted. A player can at least change its style or throw a curve ball at you from time to time. NPCs are only as good the programmer and beyond that they never change once its in the game.
How is War PVP different from any other pvp ? You kill a player , is the end result., adding mechanics is just that adding, the end result one player wins on player loses, War's pvp is just as good as the next, and find that when you have a game with xcontent is basically PvP you won't find anything else then that content wise. It is a bold move for this kind of game on but I doubt it will even dent WoW's numbers. 500k at launch , Blizzard can ban 500k and not feel it.
And this is why WoW does great to the millions of zombies out there playing it.
"I kilted a guy, me be pvping , why we need anything else. PVP is jus fo kiltin people."
Unless War is full loot pvp and xp lose, it is not hardcore. Obtaining command of a area is seiging but that is just a fun mechnaic to a game. What is hardcore about out numbering people ...One thing Ive heard nothing about in this game is the pve content.... something WoW has a good bit of...
Unless War is full loot pvp and xp lose, it is not hardcore. Obtaining command of a area is seiging but that is just a fun mechnaic to a game. What is hardcore about out numbering people ...One thing Ive heard nothing about in this game is the pve content.... something WoW has a good bit of...
What WAR PVP has that Wow pvp doesn't is realm wide consequences. Every keep that is taken, every person pk'ed, every PVE quest finished helps your realm and makes the other more vulnerable. All this stuff effects people in the realm. Not like the BG's in WoW where no matter how many times I win in AB nothing happens. And most BG's STILL TO THIS DAY have mostly people who just sit back AFK collecting points, the only reaosn people pvp in that game is to get easy gear. Same with arenas too.
Want to talk about hard core pvp? Yes organizing 20 people to one of the towers might seem easy, especially if an enemy guild hasn't claimed it. But what about realm wide?
Have you ever tried mobilizng 10 or more guilds at once? We're talking 200 people easily. Ever try taking those couple hundred people and organize multiple keep raids, making sure you have scouts out looking for enemy movement, sending out reinforcements where they need them, all at once to get the upper hand on the other realm?
Finally after all those hours of work finding you defeated a whole realm, not just 24 people afk in the corner of a BG. And when you finally get to that capital city and overtake it? Man, that will be way better then any boring raid WoW has any day.
Seriously i dont know where people get it from that warhammer is a wow clone. Obviously for those players wow was their first mmorpg. Coz its got sort of the same graphics style and polished interface and what not it doesnt mean its a wow clone. It just means its an mmorpg. THere's been a zillion other mmorpgs before wow, all as you would want to call it clones from the other.Thats why they are mmorpg. They use the same systems, simple. Saying its a wow clone is not knowing what yer talking about.
Anyway, warhammer will have 10 times the content wow had or even has. Though it wont be as much pve raid based. Instead of will be RVR raid based. It'll as far as i know also miss the silly grind reputation crap wow has. It will however have way way wayyy more zones to lvl in. Way way wayyy more diverse sceneries to lvl in.Also from what i've seen way different looks etc from wow with really creative graphics art. If you do like pvp then warhammer will have constant end content, end game, for you. Never ending 24/7. Itll not be about sitting in a city waiting for a group to do some instances to farm tokens so after weeks you can buy some gear. Warhammer will be about constant end content which is the RVR. Any time any place you wish. No waiting, Just go join a guild group or alliance group or go solo and off you go. There'll always be fights going on somewhere where you can go defend your precious keeps or take new ones or simply go roam with a group to kick people's butt. I really dislike end content where basically you do nothing exiting. You are either sitting in the capital city yelling in a channel that you are LFG or you wait till the evenings for some raid. In between probably all you do is farm for reputation or materials or whatever.Sorry but thats no end content, its boring. Except maybe the raids which can be fun. Then again what do you do besides raiding ? Warhammer will not have that problem. The endcontent will be ongoing 24/7 and itll be fun and exiting. Compare that to killing pve mobs over and over again for some reputation. You also will not participate in this end game as a 5 man group or solo going your own way. No you will be part of your realm, all fighting for the same and you'll always feel you do it for your realm. In warmhammer even after cap lvl you will constantly be building your char while in other games it means having to wait for a lvl rap raise through an expansion of farming gear for months and months to improve your char. In warhammer you will gain ranks with which you can buy new gear and skills, so you do this while having an exiting time instead of boring grinds, and with rvring you open up new PVE objectives and such like dungeons and whatever more.
The slow and terrible static speed of the PvP fights will kill Warhammer. Just look at the arena Wow speeds and than watch the fights of grand daddy in warhammer. That scene of pathtetic knocking on the front door of a keep with 20 characters didn't help either Wow's PvP speed is about 300% faster than War. Far more hectic, far more tense. DAoC lost this PvP battle already 3 years ago, why should it be the reverse this time with exactly the same speeds. And ...WotLK will have real siege battles - for that I am sure - not some "knocking on the front door" for 5 minutes. Speed is everything in top sports. Remember that.
WoW's PvP:
Oh hey I'm just walking around and AW MAH GAWD here comes a rogue! He VANISHED into THIN AIR like MAGIC right before my eyes, and OH NO he's behind me! Cheap shot, backstab, arghhh, hey it's over now I - OH NO KIDNEY SHOT! I have to stand here half bent over like I'm drunk for another four seconds while he stabs my insides out. Ahh, finally I can get - OH NO a mage! Now I'm frozen in place like some kind of icicle and oh great he comes a paladin to use their cheap stun on me, half bent over again while I'm being stabbed, smashed, frozen, burned, la de da everything's good.
Yeah, that's really "hectic" and "tense".
Sure it was worse than THAT in DAoC, but Mythic knows that by now. When you have a game go from hundreds of thousands of subs down to about 5000, you're going to change some things.
Why can't you just say WAR is a WoW clone like a good troll, and then the combat will be similar.
Also funny how you were talking about arena PvP and comparing it to WAR, which is about massive battles. Then you make some reference to speed in sports. So, arena is just a sport? It's an E-sport which is way too dependant on gear? Doesn't matter how good or bad the combat is when you get killed by two resto druids in full S2 or S3 because you just started out and you have the blue PvP gear that you get from factions. At that time you won't be saying "wow look at this wonderful, fast paced combat."
As for better sieges, hah, you mean dumbed down sieges. WoW takes everything and makes it more simple for the masses, so I bet you it'll only take a minimal amount of effort to break through the wall. Maybe one catapult for 5 minutes, then you can go have the gankfest and have Horde clobber you just like in Battlegrounds - but at least it's outside in a frozen wasteland!
-------------------------------------- A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Yawn... There have been so many "WoW Killer" claims in the recent past that I'll take this one with a pinch of salt. Let's wait until the game has been out a couple of months before we sll start making rash claims. Age of Conan was "going to be a WoW-killer", blah, blah, everyone got excited and started frothing over it, and naturally people now realise it isn't any such thing.
I've been Flagshipped too many times to believe any hype from Beta Testers, media articles and Game Company waffle.
Yawn... There have been so many "WoW Killer" claims in the recent past that I'll take this one with a pinch of salt. Let's wait until the game has been out a couple of months before we sll start making rash claims. Age of Conan was "going to be a WoW-killer", blah, blah, everyone got excited and started frothing over it, and naturally people now realise it isn't any such thing. I've been Flagshipped too many times to believe any hype from Beta Testers, media articles and Game Company waffle.
I suppose we'll have to just wait and see. O...and btw...he didn't literally mean WoW killer. There is only one game that will kill WoW...and that is WoW.
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Anyway, warhammer will have 10 times the content wow had or even has. Though it wont be as much pve raid based. Instead of will be RVR raid based. It'll as far as i know also miss the silly grind reputation crap wow has. It will however have way way wayyy more zones to lvl in. Way way wayyy more diverse sceneries to lvl in.Also from what i've seen way different looks etc from wow with really creative graphics art.
We went through all this tedious jumping up and down with crazed excitement with AoC, and look how that panned out. Not impressed with vague statements like "Warhammer will have..." , "As far as I know...", way, way , wayyy..." and "from what I've seen..." either. It's meaningless babble at this stage. Take a sedative and calm down until people have actually played the game a few weeks.
Please, don't compare WAR with WoW, as they are no simmilar games at all though they share the fact that both are fantasy MMO's.
WAR won't be the WoW-killer but WAR will have its own great success as it owns its huge fanbase. And so that, many WoW players will be atracted to WAR by the novelty and the more will remain in WoW; the release of the WotLK will push back many WoW players to their game and those who are more WARies - just as I am - will prefer to stay and to have world impact and endless pvp in an environment, lore and traditions that we have loved for many years.
My opinion is that the only WoW-killer would be WoW itself, if the Blizzboys didn't make any innovation for years and didn't upgrade textures & graphic engine WoW would go slow down.
But the thing is that Blizzboys are clever and loving their work people and I think we'll have a greater WoW in future times. The people is so addicted that Blizzard should release at least two expacks per year!
Well, I played WoW for two weeks and didn't like the game, but I know a lot of people who love it; I love WAR and will play it. I think WAR is fresh air for the MMO genre though many people is going to think the opposite.
We WARies will have our game. That's the important fact.
The slow and terrible static speed of the PvP fights will kill Warhammer. Just look at the arena Wow speeds and than watch the fights of grand daddy in warhammer. That scene of pathtetic knocking on the front door of a keep with 20 characters didn't help either Wow's PvP speed is about 300% faster than War. Far more hectic, far more tense. DAoC lost this PvP battle already 3 years ago, why should it be the reverse this time with exactly the same speeds. And ...WotLK will have real siege battles - for that I am sure - not some "knocking on the front door" for 5 minutes. Speed is everything in top sports. Remember that.
Anything will be better than 4BG + arena as endgame PvP.
The slow and terrible static speed of the PvP fights will kill Warhammer. Just look at the arena Wow speeds and than watch the fights of grand daddy in warhammer. That scene of pathtetic knocking on the front door of a keep with 20 characters didn't help either Wow's PvP speed is about 300% faster than War. Far more hectic, far more tense. DAoC lost this PvP battle already 3 years ago, why should it be the reverse this time with exactly the same speeds. And ...WotLK will have real siege battles - for that I am sure - not some "knocking on the front door" for 5 minutes. Speed is everything in top sports. Remember that.
Stop talking out of your ass.
How can WotLK have any "real siege" ? They can't even do real pvp... ( and that's coming from an ex-Grand Marshal ) . And don't get me started on Arena. This shit made me quit . The grind that was pvp and the lack of world pvp was bad enough. Now with arena it was "who can focus fire the fastest". My guild ( in which we had 11 GM and most of the others were rank 10+) just made FotM classes mix teams, made a list of ennemy classes that you focus fire on ( exp : 1st druid , 2nd priest , etc..) , if more than 1 class go alphabetical.( 2 priest hit the one in alpha order). We could FF anyone in a matter of 3-5 seconds and would hardly lose. It was just retarded.
90% of us don't play that pvp joke and are killing time in GW until WAR comes out. Well some of us got a beta invite a few days ago and are now playing it. None of us want anything to do with that expansion . ( woot 500 DK running around , wtf...). WoW PvP is the laughing stock of the mmo community. It's watered-down combat so the noobs and average joes can have a shot ( if they grinded the gear , even a monkey could win at pvp.).
With stupid remarks like "wow is 300% faster" , how can you not realize other posters just see you as a clown?.
WoW was your 1st mmo , we get it. Your in love with it and you want it to have your baby. You do know WoW have an offical forum for people like you , just so you circle-jerk each other , right?
I'm sure Blizzard was trembling in their pants when predictions that eq2, lotro, vanguard, pirates, tabula rasa and aoc would all 'kill' their game. I dislike wow as much as the next guy, it's downright boring to me, but to think WAR will attract even double the audience of daoc is laughable. here is a simple analogy, wow is targeting the american idol crowd, WAR is going after the jericho crowd.
GOOD LOL i dispise american idol, reality tv shows, an anything else that makes people dumber for having watched it. rather not play with the crowd that goes for that haha. seriously.. i try an watch that stuff and *I* actually feel embaressed an have to change the channel.. not sure why.. i *think* cuz when i see that sad crap i think... "omg... THOSE are humans?! lmao!! oh wait... IM human too!! CRAP!!" /suicide
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LOL, never heard that one before.
Ya, Blizzard's next mmo will be call Planet Wars. Where you can choose to be either a futuristic cowboy type rogue guy. Or a futuristic knight with weapons called lightaxes where they look like axes but glow. Or you can be the evil versions called the Siftt Lords with weapons called lightbatons, which would be batons made out of a laser.
Then launch a year before KOTOR., so all the Blizzard fanboys can make fun of the KOTOR game for ripping off Plant Wars.
Oh, ya and Planet Wars will be the first mmo you play with an old atari joystick cause thats all you need to play. A joystick and 1 but for the pew pews.
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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And this is why WoW does great to the millions of zombies out there playing it.
"I kilted a guy, me be pvping , why we need anything else. PVP is jus fo kiltin people."
Unless War is full loot pvp and xp lose, it is not hardcore. Obtaining command of a area is seiging but that is just a fun mechnaic to a game. What is hardcore about out numbering people ...One thing Ive heard nothing about in this game is the pve content.... something WoW has a good bit of...
Solareus, why are you trolling? Go enjoy playing LOTRO and stop concerning yourself with a game you won't be playing. If you haven't heard anything about PvE in WAR then you obviously have not been following the game. There are tons of quests, the tome of knowledge (which is similar to deeds but oh so much more), public quests, tons of dungeons, and easter eggs hidden all over the place that give you rewards and XP for exploring. It has everything LOTRO has and more.
You also said a few stupid things about PvP being pointless because you fight someone, one of you dies, and you do it again. Well that PvE too genius. You fight a mob, one of you dies, and you do it again. It is even easier in PvE because you know exactly what the mob will do everytime since it is scripted. A player can at least change its style or throw a curve ball at you from time to time. NPCs are only as good the programmer and beyond that they never change once its in the game.
Think before you speak.
And this is why WoW does great to the millions of zombies out there playing it.
"I kilted a guy, me be pvping , why we need anything else. PVP is jus fo kiltin people."
Unless War is full loot pvp and xp lose, it is not hardcore. Obtaining command of a area is seiging but that is just a fun mechnaic to a game. What is hardcore about out numbering people ...One thing Ive heard nothing about in this game is the pve content.... something WoW has a good bit of...
why you trolling...thought you made a pact?
What WAR PVP has that Wow pvp doesn't is realm wide consequences. Every keep that is taken, every person pk'ed, every PVE quest finished helps your realm and makes the other more vulnerable. All this stuff effects people in the realm. Not like the BG's in WoW where no matter how many times I win in AB nothing happens. And most BG's STILL TO THIS DAY have mostly people who just sit back AFK collecting points, the only reaosn people pvp in that game is to get easy gear. Same with arenas too.
Want to talk about hard core pvp? Yes organizing 20 people to one of the towers might seem easy, especially if an enemy guild hasn't claimed it. But what about realm wide?
Have you ever tried mobilizng 10 or more guilds at once? We're talking 200 people easily. Ever try taking those couple hundred people and organize multiple keep raids, making sure you have scouts out looking for enemy movement, sending out reinforcements where they need them, all at once to get the upper hand on the other realm?
Finally after all those hours of work finding you defeated a whole realm, not just 24 people afk in the corner of a BG. And when you finally get to that capital city and overtake it? Man, that will be way better then any boring raid WoW has any day.
Every person pked I'm not so sure of. From what i've seen so far only the people Pked in the zone that matters count towards the realm effort.
The slow and terrible static speed of the PvP fights will kill Warhammer.
Just look at the arena Wow speeds and than watch the fights of grand daddy in warhammer.
That scene of pathtetic knocking on the front door of a keep with 20 characters didn't help either
Wow's PvP speed is about 300% faster than War.
Far more hectic, far more tense.
DAoC lost this PvP battle already 3 years ago, why should it be the reverse this time with exactly the same speeds.
And ...WotLK will have real siege battles - for that I am sure - not some "knocking on the front door" for 5 minutes.
Speed is everything in top sports. Remember that.
WoW's PvP:
Oh hey I'm just walking around and AW MAH GAWD here comes a rogue! He VANISHED into THIN AIR like MAGIC right before my eyes, and OH NO he's behind me! Cheap shot, backstab, arghhh, hey it's over now I - OH NO KIDNEY SHOT! I have to stand here half bent over like I'm drunk for another four seconds while he stabs my insides out. Ahh, finally I can get - OH NO a mage! Now I'm frozen in place like some kind of icicle and oh great he comes a paladin to use their cheap stun on me, half bent over again while I'm being stabbed, smashed, frozen, burned, la de da everything's good.
Yeah, that's really "hectic" and "tense".
Sure it was worse than THAT in DAoC, but Mythic knows that by now. When you have a game go from hundreds of thousands of subs down to about 5000, you're going to change some things.
Why can't you just say WAR is a WoW clone like a good troll, and then the combat will be similar.
Also funny how you were talking about arena PvP and comparing it to WAR, which is about massive battles. Then you make some reference to speed in sports. So, arena is just a sport? It's an E-sport which is way too dependant on gear? Doesn't matter how good or bad the combat is when you get killed by two resto druids in full S2 or S3 because you just started out and you have the blue PvP gear that you get from factions. At that time you won't be saying "wow look at this wonderful, fast paced combat."
As for better sieges, hah, you mean dumbed down sieges. WoW takes everything and makes it more simple for the masses, so I bet you it'll only take a minimal amount of effort to break through the wall. Maybe one catapult for 5 minutes, then you can go have the gankfest and have Horde clobber you just like in Battlegrounds - but at least it's outside in a frozen wasteland!
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
Yawn... There have been so many "WoW Killer" claims in the recent past that I'll take this one with a pinch of salt. Let's wait until the game has been out a couple of months before we sll start making rash claims. Age of Conan was "going to be a WoW-killer", blah, blah, everyone got excited and started frothing over it, and naturally people now realise it isn't any such thing.
I've been Flagshipped too many times to believe any hype from Beta Testers, media articles and Game Company waffle.
I suppose we'll have to just wait and see. O...and btw...he didn't literally mean WoW killer. There is only one game that will kill WoW...and that is WoW.
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
We went through all this tedious jumping up and down with crazed excitement with AoC, and look how that panned out. Not impressed with vague statements like "Warhammer will have..." , "As far as I know...", way, way , wayyy..." and "from what I've seen..." either. It's meaningless babble at this stage. Take a sedative and calm down until people have actually played the game a few weeks.
well what do you want to know? i can tell you being in beta as much as i am allowed to.
Being in beta premits you to say you are taking part and that is about it. Answering questions in any manner would violate the NDA.
Please, don't compare WAR with WoW, as they are no simmilar games at all though they share the fact that both are fantasy MMO's.
WAR won't be the WoW-killer but WAR will have its own great success as it owns its huge fanbase. And so that, many WoW players will be atracted to WAR by the novelty and the more will remain in WoW; the release of the WotLK will push back many WoW players to their game and those who are more WARies - just as I am - will prefer to stay and to have world impact and endless pvp in an environment, lore and traditions that we have loved for many years.
My opinion is that the only WoW-killer would be WoW itself, if the Blizzboys didn't make any innovation for years and didn't upgrade textures & graphic engine WoW would go slow down.
But the thing is that Blizzboys are clever and loving their work people and I think we'll have a greater WoW in future times. The people is so addicted that Blizzard should release at least two expacks per year!
Well, I played WoW for two weeks and didn't like the game, but I know a lot of people who love it; I love WAR and will play it. I think WAR is fresh air for the MMO genre though many people is going to think the opposite.
We WARies will have our game. That's the important fact.
It is a question of fangs.
Anything will be better than 4BG + arena as endgame PvP.
WoW sucks at PvP content.
Stop talking out of your ass.
How can WotLK have any "real siege" ? They can't even do real pvp... ( and that's coming from an ex-Grand Marshal ) . And don't get me started on Arena. This shit made me quit . The grind that was pvp and the lack of world pvp was bad enough. Now with arena it was "who can focus fire the fastest". My guild ( in which we had 11 GM and most of the others were rank 10+) just made FotM classes mix teams, made a list of ennemy classes that you focus fire on ( exp : 1st druid , 2nd priest , etc..) , if more than 1 class go alphabetical.( 2 priest hit the one in alpha order). We could FF anyone in a matter of 3-5 seconds and would hardly lose. It was just retarded.
90% of us don't play that pvp joke and are killing time in GW until WAR comes out. Well some of us got a beta invite a few days ago and are now playing it. None of us want anything to do with that expansion . ( woot 500 DK running around , wtf...). WoW PvP is the laughing stock of the mmo community. It's watered-down combat so the noobs and average joes can have a shot ( if they grinded the gear , even a monkey could win at pvp.).
With stupid remarks like "wow is 300% faster" , how can you not realize other posters just see you as a clown?.
WoW was your 1st mmo , we get it. Your in love with it and you want it to have your baby. You do know WoW have an offical forum for people like you , just so you circle-jerk each other , right?
You are a waste of space.
http://revolutionwar.guildlaunch.com/
I'm sure Blizzard was trembling in their pants when predictions that eq2, lotro, vanguard, pirates, tabula rasa and aoc would all 'kill' their game.
I dislike wow as much as the next guy, it's downright boring to me, but to think WAR will attract even double the audience of daoc is laughable.
here is a simple analogy, wow is targeting the american idol crowd, WAR is going after the jericho crowd.
GOOD LOL i dispise american idol, reality tv shows, an anything else that makes people dumber for having watched it. rather not play with the crowd that goes for that haha. seriously.. i try an watch that stuff and *I* actually feel embaressed an have to change the channel.. not sure why.. i *think* cuz when i see that sad crap i think... "omg... THOSE are humans?! lmao!! oh wait... IM human too!! CRAP!!" /suicide
ok but really back to gamming... Waaagh!!!