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Warcraft: again more players on line
Vicksburg
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As a matter of fact .... 
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Wow regained audiance in the last 14 days.
While this site only shows a trend (because the maker's program Census plus needs to be installed),...
it shows a trend that the last 14 days played characters are again up... by at leats 5% again.
It was 5.8 million charaters played ... now above 6.0 million (last summer of 07 it was even to 5.5 million).
This trend is being confirmed by Xfire stats btw.
http://www.xfire.com/games/wow/World_of_Warcraft/
and of course by sales stats on amazon
http://www.amazon.de/Computerspiele-Games/s/qid=1216558510/ref=sr_nr_n_1?ie=UTF8&rs=300992&bbn=301129&rnid=541708&rh=n%3A300992%2Cn%3A301129
Can you believe in sales mid Europe: World of warcaft has the spots 1 - 2 - 5 - 7 !!!! NOW anno July 2008 !
Warcraft is again on the rise people. Wheter you like it or not. ))
I'll predict more than 12 million by December this year after WotLK hits the market
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Maybe us old WoW players have a mental link, I have been seriously thinking of sub'n up again to get another 70 before WoTLK comes out. Seems like other people have beaten me to it.
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I have to confess, I've felt a slight pull back towards WOW.
I quickly dismissed those thoughts and will be returning to EVE.
But no doubt about it, remains the favorite game of my teenage son and his friends, and they are eagerly looking forward to playing more WOW when the expansion comes out.
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i will confess i just returned too
there are a few new servers online and now full of people starting over again so it is really nice to play again
"One day all will die, surely you but never I." Wheel of Time
Not many good fantasy based alternatives atm. We'll see what happens when WAR comes out.
Only 6 million active characters wow. That is a lot lower than I would of thought for the supposed accounts they report on being subscribed.
Hmm, I only left once, it was a year away from Azeroth, but when I returned with TBC I never left again.
WTF?? how can the best mmorpg ever made be on the rise ..again???
Oh well ..just arrived to tanaris..gonna continue playing ...
Lol it's all the people disappointed with AoC, I have a feeling...
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Order of the White Border.
The weather in England is shit right now, that's why I'm playing.
Not that I go out anyways, but still...
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
I think they mean playing at one time. You will never have everyone subscribed to a game playing at one time, due to all the time zone differences and all that jazz
And because 6 million is SO HORRIBLE right? Its only what, 600% higher then any other MMO? (Guessing). And, Thats higher then their subcriptions, Not their max # of people playing at one point which would be much lower.
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i see WoW total subscription numbers being to about 2 million in 2 years
i see it like this
the chronicals of spellborn- 500k
WAR- 2-10 million
darkfall 0-20 million
aion 200k in america and europe MANY in asia
champions online- 300k
stargate worlds-50-800k
earthrise- 20k-4 million
Age of Conan (xbox 360 version)- 3 million
you get my point atm there is well not too many good MMO's atm and the market is expanding so much more than any other gaming market has in such a short period of time and with so many competitors WoW with start to be lacking with its graphics and gameplay (if you notices most of these have something unheard of in an MMO before ) i have a feeling that we will have about 4 top MMO's in 2 years and not just 1 king MMO and WoW wont be one of them
P.S.
the top 4 MMO's IMO will be
America/Europe
darkfall
WAR
Age of Conan (xbox 360 version)
and an unanounced MMO or one that has been accounced but nothing known about it KOTOR maybe
Asia
Aion
linage 3
WoW (maybe)
another asian grinder.
P.S.S. im suprised more companies dont relized they will get a hell of alot more money from asia than from us (half of wow's subs are from asia while the other half is the rest of the world)
War 2-10mil?
darkfall 0-40mil?
your numbers are just... horrible. Even with the MMO market growing it won't be that big for a LONG time. and WAR will never be that big. Don't get me wrong I have the CE pre-ordered and I can't wait, but even your low-end estimate would be unlikely.
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Hihi;
These are the characters CURRENTLY played within a span of a few days.
NOT counted are:
low level charaters, characters changing guilds (or guildless characters) - due to the way Blizzard stores these characters in the database, characters not played the last 15 days.
and of course it's only for the US/EU market.
Best of all is that this guys is sampling the stats with his census plus program, which is perhaps installed with 1% of the players. This system ignores very much new players and puts too much importance on older played characters.
Hence you will see that the stats for newly created characters are a laugh.
But...
XFire is a REAL sample of how much Wow is being played and XFire shows that WOW has about 60% of the played MMORPG market.
This is also being confirmed by: showing a 62.2% of the whole PAYED MMORPG market.
http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart7.html
For me the most interesting statistic is that WoW basically have been flat since last summer but still top 5 in the sales charts. It means that the churn rate is very high in the player base - and hence that loyalty is relatively lower than before.
If anyone could calculate how many boxes (roughly) top 5 represents in the EU and US we could calculate the churn as well as a rough %
Edit: Found the numbers: ~2,500,000 subs in NA and 914,000 Warcraft boxes sold in 2007. So right now roughly 37% of players leave the game per annum and are replaced by others. Seems reasonably to me and it also means that the combat for the new players/entrants is the key battle to follow once Aion, WAR and the others are launched.
Your hopes for darkfall are extremely heightened my friend
. Sadly, that type of game is a breed of game about to be extinct. If they get 1 million active subscribers, it will be a small miracle, anymore than that a large miracle. Not that I wouldn't like to be proved wrong, heck, if they get more than that I will be happy for the company, but I doubt it.
I would not say they were flat since last summer. Paying subs increased by 1.7 million since last summer (around half of those in EU/US) More subs than most any western subsription based game has had in its life time.
WORLD OF WARCRAFT® SURPASSES 9 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS WORLDWIDE - July 2007
WORLD OF WARCRAFT® REACHES NEW MILESTONE: 10 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS - January 2008
Additionally, the statement tells us that World of Warcraft now has 10.7 million subscribers - May 2008
I cant imagine where that number will go in a few months when Wotlk is release and the Russian localised version is release. but I would happily put a few pennies on 14million active/paying subs.
I'm officially done with WoW for good, unless somehow WotLK can pull me in with some miracle, which i doubt. I just like to follow the game though to see how it progresses.
Thats assuming that new poeple are joining, i know heaps of people that have lost accounts and bout another copy of the game and pled it back to 70, the game is boring i mean this one moron i know wa saying how much he liked the "kill 30 of these" missions, lol the same more has a poorly protected pc and watches heaps of god-awful scary porn, lol and he has lost his account bout 3 or 4 times and maybe 5 lvl 70s in the process and is still playing.
I played wow for those first 2 months and got bored, i mean they had and awesome story- the lore of WC 3 and they sell it like some cheap hooker and opt for grind. I hope wow end but unlikely to many morons out there, i mean its not a bad game, its just not great. I have been clean of wow for about a year now and im rebuilding my life, i stil like mmos though lol.
Not suprised bout rises in people though, im pretty sure those growth figures are higher than heroine and cocaine's users.
Lol i do that as well sorta, i know its sad though lol,
One thing that has been overlooked is the distribution of character levels at the bottom of the page. It's nearly flat all the way to 70 and then a big spike at 70 which makes sense since you can't get any higher than this. But ignore 70 for a minute and look at all the other levels. It's nearly flat. There are no real peaks or valleys across the board. What does this mean? It means that the low level character activity which everyone claims is non existant is false. It's very much alive and kicking. Across the board from 10 to 69 you can easily find people online all the time.
Edit: OK, either my estimating skills suck or their graph isn't that accurate, because I did a little more research and found the following numbers.
10-19 - 760,776 characters
20-29 - 648,810 characters
30-39 - 478,841 characters
40-49 - 417,385 characters
50-59 - 329,639 characters
60-69 - 624,914 characters
Total - 3,260,365 characters
70 only - 2,604,449 characters
So there's actually more active toons from level 10-69 then there are level 70 toons. That's pretty astonishing. And there's approximately 1/4 to 1/6 the number of characters in any one 10 level range as there are total level 70's. That's pretty impressive too. And even more surprising is that there are more in the 10-19 and 20-29 range than the 60-69 range. So much for the theory that BC killed all the pre-BC content.
I tried 4 boxing once so I have 4 accounts. I think I may just get scrolls of resurrection once every 23 days so I can play for free 10 out of every 23 days. No idea why I'd want to though I hate TBC, I leveled 15 levels above 60 on two accounts and 6 new characters to 42 since the expansion so obviously I prefer the older content, only one of those 6 leveled to 20 in the ghostlands since that zone sucks as hard as the rest of TBC.
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if I were to kill a titan tomorrow and no CCP employees showed up to say grats I would petition it.
Waiting for: the next MMO that lets me make this macro
if hp < 30 then CastSpell("heal") SpellTargetUnit("player") else CastSpell("smite") end
Stunned at some of your numbers.
Darkfall 20 million?????? what have you been smoking? lol, Darkfall will never be released that's point number 1, and even if it ever comes out of the dark into the real world 3 or 4 years from now, it will dissappoint so many people that it won't even register on the radar of user numbers.
Realistic - 50k - 80k Peak.
War - will never ever see 10 million, in fact no MMORPG in the next 10 years will see anything close to that number again. (This from a War fan)
Realistic- 2 - 3 Million Peak.
Earthrise. How can you say 20k - 4 million. ROFL, what sort of estimate is that? Not even commenting on earthrise since it won't be out until early 2010.
AOC XBOX - Who cares, this is a PC forum, but I will say it won't see 3 million active subscribers at any time in history on Xbox. Half that MAYBE.
Your other estimates are in-line with my guesses. GJ.
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20 million Darkfall subscribers?
WTF?
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
ROFL, I lawl'ed so hard when I saw your numbers.
I know someone has already hit the nuts, but I can't help it.
WAR? Four of the six main cities aren't going to be in release. This is a sign of things to come - they tried to do too much, now they'll have to cut back and look at reality. I think it'll be a great game, don't get me wrong, but I doubt the content will be enough to get past 5mil subscriptions if even.
DARKFALL? Do you KNOW how many times this game has been "close to release"? It's a big game, but i'm thinking it'll head down the path of Vanguard - too big for its own good.
And 2 years from now, which will be 2010 - 6 years after WoW's release. If they still have more than 2 millions subscription it means the other games are doing something wrong. But who am I to say, after looking through the talent calculator for WotLK, I think i'll pick up WoW again when this expansion hits the shelves.
I would not say they were flat since last summer. Paying subs increased by 1.7 million since last summer (around half of those in EU/US) More subs than most any western subsription based game has had in its life time.
WORLD OF WARCRAFT® SURPASSES 9 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS WORLDWIDE - July 2007
WORLD OF WARCRAFT® REACHES NEW MILESTONE: 10 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS - January 2008
Additionally, the statement tells us that World of Warcraft now has 10.7 million subscribers - May 2008
I cant imagine where that number will go in a few months when Wotlk is release and the Russian localised version is release. but I would happily put a few pennies on 14million active/paying subs.
Worldwide WoW is growing - however in the US/EU growth is basically 0% since mid 2007 looking at X-fire stats and MMO charts estimates. So the growth is mostly in Asia right now. We can debate the 0% (it might be 4% growth etc), but I see no data that support anything else than very limited growth in EU and US since summer 2007 and strong growth in Asia. Given sales figures of new boxes it means that attrition is reaonably high - 35+% pa.
New boxes might come from old players coming back etc - it does not matter though since it still means that someone is leaving the game.
Will WotLK increase the number of subs in old territories? Who knows, TBC roughly grew #accounts by 20% in EU and NA maybe WotLK can achieve the same.
The whole attrition thesis is also very much supported by the activity numbers in the level 1-69 bracket.