Originally posted by ArcAngel3 Originally posted by Fishermage
Originally posted by Costanza420
Originally posted by Fishermage
Originally posted by Costanza420 Originally posted by ArcAngel3 Originally posted by Costanza420
Whatever, Fisher. Not particularly interested in anything you have to say at this point, since you've proven all you can do is talk in circles until the other person gives up. You never answered the question regarding who was "losing it" over the KOTOR news. That was how many days ago?
Heya Costanza. I think you asked me about this as well. I've just reviewed one of the many threads with the KOTOR MMO announcement.
What caught my attention, among other things, happened to be the number of posts that say things like: This game is gonna tank cuz it's not going to be a sandbox, This game is gonna tank because StarWars fans are impossible to please, StarWars fans who celebrate this as a possible end to the NGE era are small-minded idiots that have no life etc. etc. Feel free to review the threads for yourself if you like, there are quite a number. I'm sure you'll see all of these negative responses to the announcement. To me, they seemed numerous, and some are quite intense. People appear disturbed by the announcement and determined to cast the game in a bad light, as well as anyone who thinks it might be enjoyable. There is also a fresh influx of posts that go along with this saying that SOE was not to blame for the disaster that was and is SWG. The messages we're being barraged with lately seem to be saying things like, KOTOR online is going to suck, if you think it's going to be good then you suck, if you think SOE screwed up SWG then you suck, and it's actually your fault that SOE screwed up SWG. Based on all of these observations, I concluded that some people are disturbed by the KOTOR news, they also come across as very defensive of SOE, and hostile to players. If you don't see these posts in the numerous threads related to the KOTOR MMO, I don't really know what to say to that. Maybe you don't want to see them for some reason (shrugs). I guess if you don't want to see them, you won't. I'll copy paste just a few of the responses to vets celebrating the KOTOR MMO, so you can get an idea of what I'm talking about: Here's example number 1 : "I dont even know why they try, Star Wars fans are some of the most finnicky people on Earth. Making a star wars game that appeals to that crowd is like trying to please your mother in law. No matter how hard you try, there will be bitching." and now for example number 2: "And what did you win? You and others have made SWG Vets and Players look like a ton of whiners who get upset over every damn little thing that happens. You haven't changed anything! Go up to the AoC boards and have a look there, kinda looks like the same thing down here... No you haven't won jack, all some of you have done is make things worse for people who do give a damn about MMO's and the MMO they play. Anyway I'm sure you or swgtester or one of the other upset Vets will come along, flame me, call me a Fanboi and act like your still nailed to some kinda cross." Actually didn't you also tell me to get off my cross because I noticed an increase in posts attempting to silence vets? There's one new thread blaming everyone but SOE for the problems in SWG, especially the players. Another thread (this one?) was written for the sole purpose of having vet posts locked. In addition to OP's that attempt to silence players, you have new posters to this forum jumping in and agreeing that veteran players are idiots, are to blame for everything wrong in SWG, and should be silenced. No, I've just re-read it all again, no one's making this up; you apparently just refuse to see it, and you seem to be saying the same kinds of things yourself.
1. The only person who seems to THINK it's going to be sandbox pre-CU is whatever handle he's going by at the time ... you know the one. Everyone else KNOWS it's not going to be. 2. Star Wars fans (of which I consider myself one) ARE impossible to please, because Star Wars means different things to different people. Look at the prequels for exactly how divided the fanbase of an IP an become. I read the rest, but it's too long to quote. Are SOME people saying the things you claim? Yes. VERY, VERY FEW. The rest are saying the same things the rest of us, both current and former players, are saying ... I hope it's good, and I'm guardedly optimistic about it. That's it. Very few people are "losing it." And yes, I did tell you to "get off your cross" (and got a nice suspension for it, btw) because of the idea that there is this organized campaign to "silence the vets," which is so utterly ridiculous I don't know where to begin. There's a difference between seeing the KOTOR news for what it IS, and agreeing that the "vets" (which, btw ,you do not have exclusive rights to) are trying to take credit for something that has nothing to do with them.
He never said it was an organized campaign, nor did he imply it. Where do you keep getting this wild idea?
Oh please. Did he specifically refer to an organized campaign? No. But when you see references (veiled and otherwise, and certainly on other forums) to an organized viral marketing effort, then see posts like his, it's an easy conclusion to draw that that was what he was referring to. Fisher, for future reference, don't bother responding to my posts again, since this is the last time I will respond to you. I don't like you, and I have no desire to interact with you ever again.
Then don't respond to me. that's your prerogative. I don't believe Arcangel is one of the bigger proponents of the organized viral effort theory, and besides, one should treat each person as an individual and try not to lump everyone together. Either way, SONY has already been caught making organized viral marketing efforts by creating fake players on the internet, why is it a stretch to think they would do so here? Not that it has anything to do with Arc's post, but since you brought it up I thought it worth discussing. Oh, and I don't like you either, but I will continue to show you more respect than you show me or others on these boards. I'm just like that. here's an interesting story revealing what we are dealing with when we deal with SONY:
Wow great link Fisher. I created a thread to discuss viral marketting. Ironically this has come about via our debate with a mutual acquaintance lol. Now I really am suspicious 0_o. Btw, have you noticed that the trend of KOTOR is going to suck and you vets have nothing to be happy about posts has abated since the pattern was highlighted?
yes indeedy. I was going to mention it in an earlier post, but I forgot in that I was multitasking at the time. I'm glad, since I am pretty excited about the game, whether it's gonna be a sandbox or not. As long as people are not lied to as they were with SONY, and they produce a quality, WORKING product, the game is liable to be quite good.
It's the LYING that was the main problem with SONY, and still is to this day.
Whatever, Fisher. Not particularly interested in anything you have to say at this point, since you've proven all you can do is talk in circles until the other person gives up.
You never answered the question regarding who was "losing it" over the KOTOR news. That was how many days ago?
Heya Costanza. I think you asked me about this as well. I've just reviewed one of the many threads with the KOTOR MMO announcement.
What caught my attention, among other things, happened to be the number of posts that say things like:
This game is gonna tank cuz it's not going to be a sandbox,
This game is gonna tank because StarWars fans are impossible to please,
StarWars fans who celebrate this as a possible end to the NGE era are small-minded idiots that have no life etc. etc.
Feel free to review the threads for yourself if you like, there are quite a number. I'm sure you'll see all of these negative responses to the announcement. To me, they seemed numerous, and some are quite intense.
People appear disturbed by the announcement and determined to cast the game in a bad light, as well as anyone who thinks it might be enjoyable.
There is also a fresh influx of posts that go along with this saying that SOE was not to blame for the disaster that was and is SWG.
The messages we're being barraged with lately seem to be saying things like, KOTOR online is going to suck, if you think it's going to be good then you suck, if you think SOE screwed up SWG then you suck, and it's actually your fault that SOE screwed up SWG.
Based on all of these observations, I concluded that some people are disturbed by the KOTOR news, they also come across as very defensive of SOE, and hostile to players.
If you don't see these posts in the numerous threads related to the KOTOR MMO, I don't really know what to say to that. Maybe you don't want to see them for some reason (shrugs). I guess if you don't want to see them, you won't.
I'll copy paste just a few of the responses to vets celebrating the KOTOR MMO, so you can get an idea of what I'm talking about:
Here's example number 1 :
"I dont even know why they try, Star Wars fans are some of the most finnicky people on Earth. Making a star wars game that appeals to that crowd is like trying to please your mother in law. No matter how hard you try, there will be bitching."
and now for example number 2:
"And what did you win?
You and others have made SWG Vets and Players look like a ton of whiners who get upset over every damn little thing that happens. You haven't changed anything! Go up to the AoC boards and have a look there, kinda looks like the same thing down here... No you haven't won jack, all some of you have done is make things worse for people who do give a damn about MMO's and the MMO they play.
Anyway I'm sure you or swgtester or one of the other upset Vets will come along, flame me, call me a Fanboi and act like your still nailed to some kinda cross."
Actually didn't you also tell me to get off my cross because I noticed an increase in posts attempting to silence vets? There's one new thread blaming everyone but SOE for the problems in SWG, especially the players. Another thread (this one?) was written for the sole purpose of having vet posts locked. In addition to OP's that attempt to silence players, you have new posters to this forum jumping in and agreeing that veteran players are idiots, are to blame for everything wrong in SWG, and should be silenced.
No, I've just re-read it all again, no one's making this up; you apparently just refuse to see it, and you seem to be saying the same kinds of things yourself.
1. The only person who seems to THINK it's going to be sandbox pre-CU is whatever handle he's going by at the time ... you know the one. Everyone else KNOWS it's not going to be.
2. Star Wars fans (of which I consider myself one) ARE impossible to please, because Star Wars means different things to different people. Look at the prequels for exactly how divided the fanbase of an IP an become.
I read the rest, but it's too long to quote.
Are SOME people saying the things you claim? Yes. VERY, VERY FEW. The rest are saying the same things the rest of us, both current and former players, are saying ... I hope it's good, and I'm guardedly optimistic about it. That's it.
Very few people are "losing it."
And yes, I did tell you to "get off your cross" (and got a nice suspension for it, btw) because of the idea that there is this organized campaign to "silence the vets," which is so utterly ridiculous I don't know where to begin.
There's a difference between seeing the KOTOR news for what it IS, and agreeing that the "vets" (which, btw ,you do not have exclusive rights to) are trying to take credit for something that has nothing to do with them.
He never said it was an organized campaign, nor did he imply it. Where do you keep getting this wild idea?
Oh please. Did he specifically refer to an organized campaign? No. But when you see references (veiled and otherwise, and certainly on other forums) to an organized viral marketing effort, then see posts like his, it's an easy conclusion to draw that that was what he was referring to.
Fisher, for future reference, don't bother responding to my posts again, since this is the last time I will respond to you. I don't like you, and I have no desire to interact with you ever again.
Then don't respond to me. that's your prerogative. I don't believe Arcangel is one of the bigger proponents of the organized viral effort theory, and besides, one should treat each person as an individual and try not to lump everyone together.
Either way, SONY has already been caught making organized viral marketing efforts by creating fake players on the internet, why is it a stretch to think they would do so here? Not that it has anything to do with Arc's post, but since you brought it up I thought it worth discussing.
Oh, and I don't like you either, but I will continue to show you more respect than you show me or others on these boards. I'm just like that.
here's an interesting story revealing what we are dealing with when we deal with SONY:
Wow great link Fisher. I created a thread to discuss viral marketting. Ironically this has come about via our debate with a mutual acquaintance lol. Now I really am suspicious 0_o.
Btw, have you noticed that the trend of KOTOR is going to suck and you vets have nothing to be happy about posts has abated since the pattern was highlighted?
yes indeedy. I was going to mention it in an earlier post, but I forgot in that I was multitasking at the time. I'm glad, since I am pretty excited about the game, whether it's gonna be a sandbox or not. As long as people are not lied to as they were with SONY, and they produce a quality, WORKING product, the game is liable to be quite good.
It's the LYING that was the main problem with SONY, and still is to this day.
Agreed, as much as I hated many of the bugs and issues, and the poor customer service response to those, I found being misled to be the most irksome experience in SWG.
Dont think there is a trend to bash kotor MMO.(or whatever the name will be). I, personally, think it will be a disapointement to some people . That doesnt mean the game will be bad, just that, unlike what some think or desire, it will not be similar to SWG. By reading what bioware devs said in general about MMORPG concepts, i get the clear ideia we will get some thing in some way similar to wow, in terms of character mechanics (tank, healer, dps ) on a SW setting. Some of their comments also indicate that it will not be a classic sandbox game, but more on a linear setting, what,again, doesnt surprise me taking in consideration that BIOWARE products always have (until now) a strong story arc , being the story itself the great tool in terms of character development.
wil that mean it will be bad game? No, in fact, if given a proper care and refinement, a linear MMORPG has more chances to come out a good product than a sandbox MMORPG, since it is much more easier to predict what customers want, how they will react, and also makes the task of adding content much faster and facilitated.
now for some any level based game sucks, and so , kind of understand that some people would go on that view. Others , individuals, can felt menaced by the product, so I admit that might go on a "run for the hills" approach. But, as the technocrat i am, dare say that it would even be stupid to start an organized anti KOTOR MMO at this point, since there is almost no details, so there is not much petrol to burn.
what is the worst that can be said? that it will be a level based game with archetipical classes ? and? the most played mmorpg is like that... so?
Dont think there is a trend to bash kotor MMO.(or whatever the name will be). I, personally, think it will be a disapointement to some people . That doesnt mean the game will be bad, just that, unlike what some think or desire, it will not be similar to SWG. By reading what bioware devs said in general about MMORPG concepts, i get the clear ideia we will get some thing in some way similar to wow, in terms of character mechanics (tank, healer, dps ) on a SW setting. Some of their comments also indicate that it will not be a classic sandbox game, but more on a linear setting, what,again, doesnt surprise me taking in consideration that BIOWARE products always have (until now) a strong story arc , being the story itself the great tool in terms of character development. wil that mean it will be bad game? No, in fact, if given a proper care and refinement, a linear MMORPG has more chances to come out a good product than a sandbox MMORPG, since it is much more easier to predict what customers want, how they will react, and also makes the task of adding content much faster and facilitated. now for some any level based game sucks, and so , kind of understand that some people would go on that view. Others , individuals, can felt menaced by the product, so I admit that might go on a "run for the hills" approach. But, as the technocrat i am, dare say that it would even be stupid to start an organized anti KOTOR MMO at this point, since there is almost no details, so there is not much petrol to burn. what is the worst that can be said? that it will be a level based game with archetipical classes ? and? the most played mmorpg is like that... so?
I honestly think KOTOR Online will be a hybrid of Tabula Rasa and Mass Effect, with some sort of PvP (which TR is horrid at).
Dont think there is a trend to bash kotor MMO.(or whatever the name will be). I, personally, think it will be a disapointement to some people . That doesnt mean the game will be bad, just that, unlike what some think or desire, it will not be similar to SWG. By reading what bioware devs said in general about MMORPG concepts, i get the clear ideia we will get some thing in some way similar to wow, in terms of character mechanics (tank, healer, dps ) on a SW setting. Some of their comments also indicate that it will not be a classic sandbox game, but more on a linear setting, what,again, doesnt surprise me taking in consideration that BIOWARE products always have (until now) a strong story arc , being the story itself the great tool in terms of character development. wil that mean it will be bad game? No, in fact, if given a proper care and refinement, a linear MMORPG has more chances to come out a good product than a sandbox MMORPG, since it is much more easier to predict what customers want, how they will react, and also makes the task of adding content much faster and facilitated. now for some any level based game sucks, and so , kind of understand that some people would go on that view. Others , individuals, can felt menaced by the product, so I admit that might go on a "run for the hills" approach. But, as the technocrat i am, dare say that it would even be stupid to start an organized anti KOTOR MMO at this point, since there is almost no details, so there is not much petrol to burn. what is the worst that can be said? that it will be a level based game with archetipical classes ? and? the most played mmorpg is like that... so?
I honestly think KOTOR Online will be a hybrid of Tabula Rasa and Mass Effect, with some sort of PvP (which TR is horrid at).
if this game is based in the old republic timeline it will suck. sure lots of kids will play it the prequel movies were created for that demographic. but will the old school star wars fans be able to enjoy it?
Dont think there is a trend to bash kotor MMO.(or whatever the name will be). I, personally, think it will be a disapointement to some people . That doesnt mean the game will be bad, just that, unlike what some think or desire, it will not be similar to SWG. By reading what bioware devs said in general about MMORPG concepts, i get the clear ideia we will get some thing in some way similar to wow, in terms of character mechanics (tank, healer, dps ) on a SW setting. Some of their comments also indicate that it will not be a classic sandbox game, but more on a linear setting, what,again, doesnt surprise me taking in consideration that BIOWARE products always have (until now) a strong story arc , being the story itself the great tool in terms of character development. wil that mean it will be bad game? No, in fact, if given a proper care and refinement, a linear MMORPG has more chances to come out a good product than a sandbox MMORPG, since it is much more easier to predict what customers want, how they will react, and also makes the task of adding content much faster and facilitated. now for some any level based game sucks, and so , kind of understand that some people would go on that view. Others , individuals, can felt menaced by the product, so I admit that might go on a "run for the hills" approach. But, as the technocrat i am, dare say that it would even be stupid to start an organized anti KOTOR MMO at this point, since there is almost no details, so there is not much petrol to burn. what is the worst that can be said? that it will be a level based game with archetipical classes ? and? the most played mmorpg is like that... so?
I honestly think KOTOR Online will be a hybrid of Tabula Rasa and Mass Effect, with some sort of PvP (which TR is horrid at).
if this game is based in the old republic timeline it will suck. sure lots of kids will play it the prequel movies were created for that demographic. but will the old school star wars fans be able to enjoy it?
The KOTOR timeline (which the game WILL be, mark my words) and prequel timeline are two entirely different things.
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What caught my attention, among other things, happened to be the number of posts that say things like:
This game is gonna tank cuz it's not going to be a sandbox,
This game is gonna tank because StarWars fans are impossible to please,
StarWars fans who celebrate this as a possible end to the NGE era are small-minded idiots that have no life etc. etc.
Feel free to review the threads for yourself if you like, there are quite a number. I'm sure you'll see all of these negative responses to the announcement. To me, they seemed numerous, and some are quite intense.
People appear disturbed by the announcement and determined to cast the game in a bad light, as well as anyone who thinks it might be enjoyable.
There is also a fresh influx of posts that go along with this saying that SOE was not to blame for the disaster that was and is SWG.
The messages we're being barraged with lately seem to be saying things like, KOTOR online is going to suck, if you think it's going to be good then you suck, if you think SOE screwed up SWG then you suck, and it's actually your fault that SOE screwed up SWG.
Based on all of these observations, I concluded that some people are disturbed by the KOTOR news, they also come across as very defensive of SOE, and hostile to players.
If you don't see these posts in the numerous threads related to the KOTOR MMO, I don't really know what to say to that. Maybe you don't want to see them for some reason (shrugs). I guess if you don't want to see them, you won't.
I'll copy paste just a few of the responses to vets celebrating the KOTOR MMO, so you can get an idea of what I'm talking about:
Here's example number 1 :
"I dont even know why they try, Star Wars fans are some of the most finnicky people on Earth. Making a star wars game that appeals to that crowd is like trying to please your mother in law. No matter how hard you try, there will be bitching."
and now for example number 2:
"And what did you win?
You and others have made SWG Vets and Players look like a ton of whiners who get upset over every damn little thing that happens. You haven't changed anything! Go up to the AoC boards and have a look there, kinda looks like the same thing down here... No you haven't won jack, all some of you have done is make things worse for people who do give a damn about MMO's and the MMO they play.
Anyway I'm sure you or swgtester or one of the other upset Vets will come along, flame me, call me a Fanboi and act like your still nailed to some kinda cross."
Actually didn't you also tell me to get off my cross because I noticed an increase in posts attempting to silence vets? There's one new thread blaming everyone but SOE for the problems in SWG, especially the players. Another thread (this one?) was written for the sole purpose of having vet posts locked. In addition to OP's that attempt to silence players, you have new posters to this forum jumping in and agreeing that veteran players are idiots, are to blame for everything wrong in SWG, and should be silenced.
No, I've just re-read it all again, no one's making this up; you apparently just refuse to see it, and you seem to be saying the same kinds of things yourself.
1. The only person who seems to THINK it's going to be sandbox pre-CU is whatever handle he's going by at the time ... you know the one. Everyone else KNOWS it's not going to be.
2. Star Wars fans (of which I consider myself one) ARE impossible to please, because Star Wars means different things to different people. Look at the prequels for exactly how divided the fanbase of an IP an become.
I read the rest, but it's too long to quote.
Are SOME people saying the things you claim? Yes. VERY, VERY FEW. The rest are saying the same things the rest of us, both current and former players, are saying ... I hope it's good, and I'm guardedly optimistic about it. That's it.
Very few people are "losing it."
And yes, I did tell you to "get off your cross" (and got a nice suspension for it, btw) because of the idea that there is this organized campaign to "silence the vets," which is so utterly ridiculous I don't know where to begin.
There's a difference between seeing the KOTOR news for what it IS, and agreeing that the "vets" (which, btw ,you do not have exclusive rights to) are trying to take credit for something that has nothing to do with them.
He never said it was an organized campaign, nor did he imply it. Where do you keep getting this wild idea?
Oh please. Did he specifically refer to an organized campaign? No. But when you see references (veiled and otherwise, and certainly on other forums) to an organized viral marketing effort, then see posts like his, it's an easy conclusion to draw that that was what he was referring to.
Fisher, for future reference, don't bother responding to my posts again, since this is the last time I will respond to you. I don't like you, and I have no desire to interact with you ever again.
Then don't respond to me. that's your prerogative. I don't believe Arcangel is one of the bigger proponents of the organized viral effort theory, and besides, one should treat each person as an individual and try not to lump everyone together.
Either way, SONY has already been caught making organized viral marketing efforts by creating fake players on the internet, why is it a stretch to think they would do so here? Not that it has anything to do with Arc's post, but since you brought it up I thought it worth discussing.
Oh, and I don't like you either, but I will continue to show you more respect than you show me or others on these boards. I'm just like that.
here's an interesting story revealing what we are dealing with when we deal with SONY:
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/archives/2006/12/11/new_sony_viral_marketing_ploy_angers_consumers.html
Wow great link Fisher. I created a thread to discuss viral marketting. Ironically this has come about via our debate with a mutual acquaintance lol. Now I really am suspicious 0_o.
Btw, have you noticed that the trend of KOTOR is going to suck and you vets have nothing to be happy about posts has abated since the pattern was highlighted?
yes indeedy. I was going to mention it in an earlier post, but I forgot in that I was multitasking at the time. I'm glad, since I am pretty excited about the game, whether it's gonna be a sandbox or not. As long as people are not lied to as they were with SONY, and they produce a quality, WORKING product, the game is liable to be quite good.
It's the LYING that was the main problem with SONY, and still is to this day.
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What caught my attention, among other things, happened to be the number of posts that say things like:
This game is gonna tank cuz it's not going to be a sandbox,
This game is gonna tank because StarWars fans are impossible to please,
StarWars fans who celebrate this as a possible end to the NGE era are small-minded idiots that have no life etc. etc.
Feel free to review the threads for yourself if you like, there are quite a number. I'm sure you'll see all of these negative responses to the announcement. To me, they seemed numerous, and some are quite intense.
People appear disturbed by the announcement and determined to cast the game in a bad light, as well as anyone who thinks it might be enjoyable.
There is also a fresh influx of posts that go along with this saying that SOE was not to blame for the disaster that was and is SWG.
The messages we're being barraged with lately seem to be saying things like, KOTOR online is going to suck, if you think it's going to be good then you suck, if you think SOE screwed up SWG then you suck, and it's actually your fault that SOE screwed up SWG.
Based on all of these observations, I concluded that some people are disturbed by the KOTOR news, they also come across as very defensive of SOE, and hostile to players.
If you don't see these posts in the numerous threads related to the KOTOR MMO, I don't really know what to say to that. Maybe you don't want to see them for some reason (shrugs). I guess if you don't want to see them, you won't.
I'll copy paste just a few of the responses to vets celebrating the KOTOR MMO, so you can get an idea of what I'm talking about:
Here's example number 1 :
"I dont even know why they try, Star Wars fans are some of the most finnicky people on Earth. Making a star wars game that appeals to that crowd is like trying to please your mother in law. No matter how hard you try, there will be bitching."
and now for example number 2:
"And what did you win?
You and others have made SWG Vets and Players look like a ton of whiners who get upset over every damn little thing that happens. You haven't changed anything! Go up to the AoC boards and have a look there, kinda looks like the same thing down here... No you haven't won jack, all some of you have done is make things worse for people who do give a damn about MMO's and the MMO they play.
Anyway I'm sure you or swgtester or one of the other upset Vets will come along, flame me, call me a Fanboi and act like your still nailed to some kinda cross."
Actually didn't you also tell me to get off my cross because I noticed an increase in posts attempting to silence vets? There's one new thread blaming everyone but SOE for the problems in SWG, especially the players. Another thread (this one?) was written for the sole purpose of having vet posts locked. In addition to OP's that attempt to silence players, you have new posters to this forum jumping in and agreeing that veteran players are idiots, are to blame for everything wrong in SWG, and should be silenced.
No, I've just re-read it all again, no one's making this up; you apparently just refuse to see it, and you seem to be saying the same kinds of things yourself.
1. The only person who seems to THINK it's going to be sandbox pre-CU is whatever handle he's going by at the time ... you know the one. Everyone else KNOWS it's not going to be.
2. Star Wars fans (of which I consider myself one) ARE impossible to please, because Star Wars means different things to different people. Look at the prequels for exactly how divided the fanbase of an IP an become.
I read the rest, but it's too long to quote.
Are SOME people saying the things you claim? Yes. VERY, VERY FEW. The rest are saying the same things the rest of us, both current and former players, are saying ... I hope it's good, and I'm guardedly optimistic about it. That's it.
Very few people are "losing it."
And yes, I did tell you to "get off your cross" (and got a nice suspension for it, btw) because of the idea that there is this organized campaign to "silence the vets," which is so utterly ridiculous I don't know where to begin.
There's a difference between seeing the KOTOR news for what it IS, and agreeing that the "vets" (which, btw ,you do not have exclusive rights to) are trying to take credit for something that has nothing to do with them.
He never said it was an organized campaign, nor did he imply it. Where do you keep getting this wild idea?
Oh please. Did he specifically refer to an organized campaign? No. But when you see references (veiled and otherwise, and certainly on other forums) to an organized viral marketing effort, then see posts like his, it's an easy conclusion to draw that that was what he was referring to.
Fisher, for future reference, don't bother responding to my posts again, since this is the last time I will respond to you. I don't like you, and I have no desire to interact with you ever again.
Then don't respond to me. that's your prerogative. I don't believe Arcangel is one of the bigger proponents of the organized viral effort theory, and besides, one should treat each person as an individual and try not to lump everyone together.
Either way, SONY has already been caught making organized viral marketing efforts by creating fake players on the internet, why is it a stretch to think they would do so here? Not that it has anything to do with Arc's post, but since you brought it up I thought it worth discussing.
Oh, and I don't like you either, but I will continue to show you more respect than you show me or others on these boards. I'm just like that.
here's an interesting story revealing what we are dealing with when we deal with SONY:
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/archives/2006/12/11/new_sony_viral_marketing_ploy_angers_consumers.html
Wow great link Fisher. I created a thread to discuss viral marketting. Ironically this has come about via our debate with a mutual acquaintance lol. Now I really am suspicious 0_o.
Btw, have you noticed that the trend of KOTOR is going to suck and you vets have nothing to be happy about posts has abated since the pattern was highlighted?
yes indeedy. I was going to mention it in an earlier post, but I forgot in that I was multitasking at the time. I'm glad, since I am pretty excited about the game, whether it's gonna be a sandbox or not. As long as people are not lied to as they were with SONY, and they produce a quality, WORKING product, the game is liable to be quite good.
It's the LYING that was the main problem with SONY, and still is to this day.
Agreed, as much as I hated many of the bugs and issues, and the poor customer service response to those, I found being misled to be the most irksome experience in SWG.
Dont think there is a trend to bash kotor MMO.(or whatever the name will be). I, personally, think it will be a disapointement to some people . That doesnt mean the game will be bad, just that, unlike what some think or desire, it will not be similar to SWG. By reading what bioware devs said in general about MMORPG concepts, i get the clear ideia we will get some thing in some way similar to wow, in terms of character mechanics (tank, healer, dps ) on a SW setting. Some of their comments also indicate that it will not be a classic sandbox game, but more on a linear setting, what,again, doesnt surprise me taking in consideration that BIOWARE products always have (until now) a strong story arc , being the story itself the great tool in terms of character development.
wil that mean it will be bad game? No, in fact, if given a proper care and refinement, a linear MMORPG has more chances to come out a good product than a sandbox MMORPG, since it is much more easier to predict what customers want, how they will react, and also makes the task of adding content much faster and facilitated.
now for some any level based game sucks, and so , kind of understand that some people would go on that view. Others , individuals, can felt menaced by the product, so I admit that might go on a "run for the hills" approach. But, as the technocrat i am, dare say that it would even be stupid to start an organized anti KOTOR MMO at this point, since there is almost no details, so there is not much petrol to burn.
what is the worst that can be said? that it will be a level based game with archetipical classes ? and? the most played mmorpg is like that... so?
I honestly think KOTOR Online will be a hybrid of Tabula Rasa and Mass Effect, with some sort of PvP (which TR is horrid at).
I honestly think KOTOR Online will be a hybrid of Tabula Rasa and Mass Effect, with some sort of PvP (which TR is horrid at).
if this game is based in the old republic timeline it will suck. sure lots of kids will play it the prequel movies were created for that demographic. but will the old school star wars fans be able to enjoy it?
I honestly think KOTOR Online will be a hybrid of Tabula Rasa and Mass Effect, with some sort of PvP (which TR is horrid at).
if this game is based in the old republic timeline it will suck. sure lots of kids will play it the prequel movies were created for that demographic. but will the old school star wars fans be able to enjoy it?
The KOTOR timeline (which the game WILL be, mark my words) and prequel timeline are two entirely different things.
Hey, how many times can I sign this?
"If you don't like it then don't read it. Simple as that. "
Hard to do when every other post going up in the current activity area is yet ANOTHER lament about SWG and how "Smed" destroyed "our virtual home..."
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!