1. She was not only a user of illegal drugs she SOLD it. She was a dealer.
If she got caught with some pot and it was like a first time offense I can see it.....but she was a dealer and she was caught more than once. Besides, she chose the plea bargain they didn't force her to do anything.
Sorry it happened to her but she did make her own bed. You get caught with pot and you were using it is one thing. Dealing and selling it...sorry thats a little worse than a casual smoker. If you look at her pictures she was on a downward spiral; where she looked normal in highschool and then looked strung out in college.
Its a shame. I dont blame the police at all. Its a shame she did that to herself. I naturally feel bad for anyone who slowly kills themselves on drugs like that (only her actions killed her sooner)
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
The point of the matter is the stupidity on the polices part. They dont need her to make a bust, just make the arrangements. Even then, the police did nothing to keep her safe. Shes a college grad that smokes pot and deals a QP to her friends... That doesnt hold up to the "dealer" image. And shes a girl FFS, throw her in a situation with a bunch of thugs that find her microphone, and yearh...
If it were up to me, death sentence for the thugs, and somthing proportional to what the police did by not securing her.
Btw, what would a college grad need with 13k worth of drugs and a handgun? Wearing a freaking microphone, you would think the thugs would be a bit suspicious
she could have also denied the plea bargain and get charged just like any other dealer. She had the choice.
I feel sorry for her as a human being but she made the decision herself. No one forced her to do it. Being an informant is very dangerous; anyone would know that whether a city police was watching your back or the FBI; its dangerous. But, again, it was her choice and I am sure she had a lawyer with her too when making the decision. These things aren't done in a closed off room without counsel.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
If you truely believe that there was no coercion on the part of the police then you are an ignoramous of epic proportions. Corruption runs so rampant through modern law enforcement it is sickening. Cops are nothing more than bullies with guns and way too much authority. This is blatently obious on many levels from original training right down to the streets. My girlfriend for example was going to become a cop, but then realized that all the people training with her were the people that were the bullies and overprivaleged jocks who simply liked power. One student said i just want the power thats why i am becoming a cop. WOW... WTF that is some fucked up shit. Seriously now this is sad...
If you truely believe that there was no coercion on the part of the police then you are an ignoramous of epic proportions.
I know how plea barganing works (I used to be a cop). A lawyer is usually present during these negotiations as well as the prosecuting attorney and considering she was a white female Jewish college grad I am as sure as I have two eyes she had a lawyer in that room.
There was no coercion.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
If you truely believe that there was no coercion on the part of the police then you are an ignoramous of epic proportions. Corruption runs so rampant through modern law enforcement it is sickening. Cops are nothing more than bullies with guns and way too much authority. This is blatently obious on many levels from original training right down to the streets. My girlfriend for example was going to become a cop, but then realized that all the people training with her were the people that were the bullies and overprivaleged jocks who simply liked power. One student said i just want the power thats why i am becoming a cop. WOW... WTF that is some fucked up shit. Seriously now this is sad...
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Originally posted by Teala She didn't volunteer first of all, they coerced her....
The drug dealer made a deal with the police, to get out of a 5 year sentence.
she is a civilian with no training regarding what she is about to do...none.
Um, she was a drug dealer, doing what she usually did. Drug dealers kill each other and innocent people all the time[/b]. You live by the sword, you die by the sword.
They have her meet with two highly dangerous individuals and make a big buy of drugs and a weapon?
She was a dangerous person herself.
She did that crap all the time, on her own.
You people that blame her for her own death - please quit breathing our air...the real humans of this planet need it. I hope the mother and father managed to get some justice of their own and have the cops involved in this persecuted and sent to jail.
She was going to die anyway. Sorry. Either from drugs, from being dropped onto a highway, or from her boyfriend.
The parents failed in a massive way a long time ago and that won't change. They might do something if there is money in it for them. Either they are in jail themselves, and/or they are just that ignorant.
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I've had more than one lawyer tell me to never ever, under any circumstances, cooperate with the police for any reason! My lawyer, and a private investigator I once used, tell me that the cops are much worse than the criminals they lock up! Corruption is the rule in police depts. nation wide.
Her family should sue the shit out of the city for that!
I grew up in a town of 3000 people in the midwest the Sherrif lived next to the biggest drugdealer in the town, the dealer kept his stash in his fathers business/store, if you looked out the Sherrifs office window you had a clear veiw of said store. Do the math...
The level of stupidity on this board amazes me. She didn't volunteer first of all, they coerced her....there is a huge difference. Second she is a not in law enforcement...she is a civilian with no training regarding what she is about to do...none. They have her meet with two highly dangerous individuals and make a big buy of drugs and a weapon? You people that blame her for her own death - please quit breathing our air...the real humans of this planet need it. I hope the mother and father managed to get some justice of their own and have the cops involved in this persecuted and sent to jail.
Girl - Known Drug dealer, arrested more then once for selling drugs
Girl - agreed to help
Girl - could have said "no", need lawyer or mommy and daddy.
Girl - could have just accepted her sentence.
Whats the problem?
There are many laws against....wait for it.....selling drugs. Selling drugs makes you....a drug dealer.
Society generally frowns on this sort of behavior.
Police are allowed to make these sorts of bargains. These are regulated, they didn't pick her up and get her to agree to this in the back seat of the police car. She KNEW what she was getting into.
Here is a thought, don't sell drugs and you will not get put in this position in life.
Just an idea. Call me stupid or crazy but just an idea even an intellectual giant such as yourself could understand.
Again....where were mommy and daddy during all of this?
...So I'm a cruel unintelligent person because I can't summon any sympathy for a burnout, drug dealer who agreed to help authorities to reduce her sentence. Bad insensitive Torak, bad.
I will continue to consume MY air at an alarming rate.
Again....where were mommy and daddy during all of this?
They were in denial. Look at them. They were successful white upper class white collared job people. The first time their daughter was caught they probably had a good lawyer and she got probabtion. The second time she got caught dealing, no amount of great lawyers will change the prosecuting attorney's mind. The plea bargaining of being a NARC was probably the only option other than facing ail time.
Did you see the mom? She looked like she smoked the magic dragon as well. People who smokes pot all the time advocates that smoking pot is healthier than smoking cigarettes, That's a stupid statement. That's like saying playing in traffic of sudans and suvs are a lot safer than playing in traffic with Semi tractor trailers. You'll get killed from it either way. I have a brother who smokes pot for over 14 years now.....he looks like shit.
But to answer your post, the parents knew about it but was just in denial....again...
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Enigma intersting that you used to be a cop... Makes your opinion in the matter so skewed and distorted that it is almost useless. Just protecting the good name of the police, although in your defense the police have no good name to defend. Cops are corrupt bullies with guns who like to abuse power and people. There are very few instances of uncorrupted power in this world. Maybe even none... When you have an organization such as the police who, while yes have rules and regulations, are by large internally regulated like most exucutive institutions. Even though there is oversight by higher powers and the public it is easy to hide what really goes on due to the aformentioned internal regulation and review. Coercion was likely a factor, hell there is no saying what goes on behind closed doors, a flick of a switch and everything is off the books. The lawyer and prosecuting attorney may have been there but that doesnt stop coercion in some time or place.
This was POT. And clearly a small amount of it. She was small time, just making some cash on the side. Pot isn't something people typically get killed over, because just about every dealer is small time. It's something you can easily grow in your basement, it' s not addictive, and people aren't usually killing eachother to get their next hit. It's a world away from harder drugs like coke.
Sorry, but it is a drug, a gateway drug at that, and part of the disgusting and destructive drug culture.
She was a drug dealer.
A locust of society.
You have no idea whether or not she was only a small-time dealer, not that it changes my opinion at all, but I guarantee you that she probably wasn't or would be for very long.
And you're either ignorant or a bad liar. Likely both. I had a roommate who smoked more pot in a day then you'll ever see and has been doing it for the past 5 years. He's in better shape than I am.
Pot contains THC and tar. Pot smokers ingest 3-5 times the amount of tar and carbon monoxide than regular tobacco smokers. Probably because they hold the smoke in their lungs for a while.
In conclusion, please learn wtf you're talking about before spewing crap all over the internet.
I suggest you check your facts again
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So this girl gets caught with small amount of marijuana (1/4 pound bout a full sandwich bag) and 6 ecstascy/vallium pills. Mind you she is 23, just graduated college. The police decide to use her as an undercover threatning her with 5 years in jail for the above ammount if she doesn't help. They send her on a sting operation to buy $13,000 worth of cocaine and a handgun...WTF?!!! The whole thing goes awry and THEY LET HER DIE. They had notcontigency plan for if the dealers decided to move the deal. Do you think it was a little stupid to use someone with 0 undercover experince on a drug sting this large with men that were this dangerous? I mean did you see their mugshots? The 2 of them together must have weighed 4 times what she did. The police should not be able to do this. And then the police captiain brands her as a drug dealer (SHE WAS NEVER CONVICTED OF ANYTHING) to save his own reputation. What an asshole. F--- the Tallahasee Police Department.
I agree this is a very sad story. But some intresting things:
1. This girl was a member of not one, but TWO pro-drug organizations. She and her organization friends should have SOME common sense that they would not only be on the radar, but the biggest blips on the radar!!!
1b. Look at her first bust? A "traffic stop". How did that traffic stop happen? Was it a legal traffic stop? Did she do anything wrong to get stopped?
2. Right before she allowed herself to get into being the police informant, she calls her mother and tells her what she's doing. Her mother says don't do it. THEN her mother agrees to not tell Rachel's fanther, and Rachel's lawyer!! WHAT?!? I can sort of understand a 23 year old college girl being easily manipulated to do stuff going against logic. But her mother?!?
Her lawyer would have immediatly put a stop - since what the cops did was throughly illegal by not notifying her lawyer, or the court.
If her monther has any reamaining common sense, she should now notice she can 100% sue the police for everything - since what the police did was throughly illegal. The cops never notified the court, never notified the DA, never notified the court drug agency Rachel was turned over to, and never notified Rachel's lawyer.
3. These are THE dumbest cops I've ever heard of. No one was visually watching Rachel? The chief claims there were cops in the area. None of the roads were being watched (a-la drag net style) in case she went out of visual. None of the cops were visually watching her? There was no dry run? There was no plan B what to do if things went wrong - aka to drop everything and stop the buy?!?
4. It sounds like the cops wanted to on purpose execute Rachel, because she was a member of two organizations trying to legalize drugs. Hey, then no more easy police work going after harmlsss weed smokers! Notice no cop could be found to do the undercover work...
The goverment can use YOUR cell phone, ANY cell phone, to listen in on everything nearby.
Even IF it is turned OFF.
The only way supposivly around this, is to take the battary out of the cell phone. Makes you want to think twice about buying any of those Apple iPhones ehhh?
Yes, exectly like they show in the new Batman movie. That (bleep) is real!!
The cops are looking for an easy score. Or they are looking for any possible dirt on someone they don't like - like a girl named Rachel who is a member of 2 pro-drug organizations. They listen in on all the cell phones in the area. All they need is 1 person who has a cell phone either in her apartment, or nearby.
They hear someone mention they are lighting up 1 spliff. Aha! It means they have drugs there the cops say to each other. They roll in. They announce to the press that they got a tip - it was a tip that led them to roll in. Ignore that 1/4 lb bag of weed, and 6 ...SIX... pills (OMG!!! Look out Gotti mafia!! Look out Genovese mafia!!). 1/4 lb bag of weed is roughly how many spliffs?
Last thing... on the video the commenter says 1/4 lb bag of weed is 4 years in prison. Wrong. It comes down to how GOOD OF A LAWYER the person has. And IF someone is going to become a member of not one, but two pro-drug organizations, they darn well better AHEAD OF TIME have the best lawyers they can find already in their rolodex!!! You don't wait until you are in trouble before finding a lawyer, accountant, doctor, etc... You do those things AHEAD OF TIME before you're in trouble!
She didn't volunteer first of all, they coerced her....
The drug dealer made a deal with the police, to get out of a 5 year sentence.
she is a civilian with no training regarding what she is about to do...none.
Um, she was a drug dealer, doing what she usually did. Drug dealers kill each other and innocent people all the time[/b]. You live by the sword, you die by the sword.
They have her meet with two highly dangerous individuals and make a big buy of drugs and a weapon?
She was a dangerous person herself.
She did that crap all the time, on her own.
You people that blame her for her own death - please quit breathing our air...the real humans of this planet need it.
I hope the mother and father managed to get some justice of their own and have the cops involved in this persecuted and sent to jail.
She was going to die anyway. Sorry. Either from drugs, from being dropped onto a highway, or from her boyfriend.
The parents failed in a massive way a long time ago and that won't change. They might do something if there is money in it for them. Either they are in jail themselves, and/or they are just that ignorant.
Ahahaha kid you have no idea what your saying. You need to go outside and learn whats socially acceptable these days. Die from drugs? ROFL good one.. Her boyfriend?... Lmao ok...
And you think that all drugs involve violence. Maybe cocaine on a large scale.. But having a QP of pot and being a college grad GIRL? LOL
She was a dangerous person herself?
Dude you need to learn alot about the world. The last sentence was the most ignorant and ironic thing ive heard in awhile. Id put money on it that you've never been to a unchaperoned party.
Its unfortunate what happened but people need to realize that smoking pot or doing anything illegal opens you up to a whole other world. Its not all happy munchy Cheech and Chong movies all the time. If something is illegal and you get caught these days anything can happen to you. You could end up shipped off somewhere and vanish off the face of the Earth.The police made a bad decision injecting an untrained inexperienced civilian into a really bad situation. If I was in her situation I would have just done a little time and try to get the charges reduced.
People need to realize there is no easy way out situations that have to do with something the law states is illegal. I think pot should be legalized but with the current laws I will not under no circumstance associate with people who deal. I've invested too much time into myself and those around me to just throw it away just because someone riding in my car has a stash on them. The risk vs. reward just doesn't make sense.
Also just because its pot doesn't mean the dealers you got it from are in a "safe" environment. It might look like everything is kewl-dood-whats-up-man but in reality they are most likely involved in other illegal activity and you might never see them ever again one day. Its like working for a corporation. There is someone farther up the chain and if they don't like how you are selling instead of firing you with 4 weeks pay you might end up at the bottom of the local river.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Sad story but damn hasn't she ever watched a damn drug movie. If plans change they dont change for the better. They moved the drug spot to a 3rd location come on if that doesn't scream we arn't going to pay you i dont know what will. She was dumb to follow.
Um, she was a drug dealer, doing what she usually did. Drug dealers kill each other and innocent people all the time[/b]. You live by the sword, you die by the sword.
No. Bad monkey. Stop that.
This was POT. And clearly a small amount of it. She was small time, just making some cash on the side. Pot isn't something people typically get killed over, because just about every dealer is small time. It's something you can easily grow in your basement, it' s not addictive, and people aren't usually killing eachother to get their next hit. It's a world away from harder drugs like coke.
Actually according to the OP she got caught with hard drugs too. She wasn't some harmless pot smoking hippie. If you get anything from this article it should be that. She was clearly in over her head.
The point of the matter is the stupidity on the polices part. They dont need her to make a bust, just make the arrangements.
No...actually drugs and money have to change hands for their to be intent to distribute / dealing charge. And any Drug dealer who wants to last more than a week only works with people he knows personally. Informants and "rats" are very important.
Enigma intersting that you used to be a cop... Makes your opinion in the matter so skewed and distorted that it is almost useless.
Thats makes as much sense as strawberry flavored shit.
lol, can I have some?
You know this sort of thing happens all the time. I guess this one is special because it was a cute little college white girl.
My cousins husband is an undercover cop in Chicago, trust me they do this all the time. No one even blinks an eye when its a young black male. Its a shame our our society is like that boohooing over the girl who was just as much a pusher as anyone else.
Here is another thought,
Did the cops kill her, her bad judgment or did the other drug dealer kill her? Hmmm....Lets assign blame where it is due. No one forced him to kill her.
Sorry, but pot and X are not crimes. Pot is less harmful than alcohol. The people of Washington DC voted to legalize pot, but the vote was cancelled before they could be counted. I wonder who was involved there.
X was originally a marriage counseling drug. It's no different than valium or ambient or any other abusable perscription drug. If anything, X is pretty well tested and safe. Better education about how to use it (staying hydrated) would be nice, but I doubt it's any more deadly than, again, alcohol.
Drugs are "bad" and "dangerous" and often associated with crime and even harder drugs because they are forced into that environment. Sell some wacky tobacy cigarettes along with the regular cancer sticks and you'll see: * More tax revenue * Less crime (put drug dealers out of business!) * Better health (better purity and quality assurance, if there's a bad batch, someone can be sued)
As for X, it could possibly be sold like beer and cigarettes given it's pretty safe. Again, it could be taxed, put criminals out of jobs, and be regulated.
We live in a society where at the local convienence store there is a large selection of crappy California wines. We set aside plenty of space for even poor quality alcohol, yet we prohibit marijuana?
This girl was not a criminal. She was someone that refused to acknowledge the unreasonable prohibition going on. There are interest groups, like the drug enforcement agencies themselves, that would be out of jobs if these drugs were legalized. Likewise, beer and cigarette companies would have more competition.
I wasn't trying to make this a "pot should be legal" issue so much as trying to cast this as something other, "She's an evil drug deal giving out death". What she has done is about as heinous as selling alcohol to a minor, which would never involve some kind of obscene plea bargain like this.
In America, selling it is illegal. She was selling it. She was caught. She got caught twice. No amount of antique woodstock tickets would have helped her.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
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1. She was not only a user of illegal drugs she SOLD it. She was a dealer.
If she got caught with some pot and it was like a first time offense I can see it.....but she was a dealer and she was caught more than once. Besides, she chose the plea bargain they didn't force her to do anything.
Sorry it happened to her but she did make her own bed. You get caught with pot and you were using it is one thing. Dealing and selling it...sorry thats a little worse than a casual smoker. If you look at her pictures she was on a downward spiral; where she looked normal in highschool and then looked strung out in college.
Its a shame. I dont blame the police at all. Its a shame she did that to herself. I naturally feel bad for anyone who slowly kills themselves on drugs like that (only her actions killed her sooner)
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
The point of the matter is the stupidity on the polices part. They dont need her to make a bust, just make the arrangements. Even then, the police did nothing to keep her safe. Shes a college grad that smokes pot and deals a QP to her friends... That doesnt hold up to the "dealer" image. And shes a girl FFS, throw her in a situation with a bunch of thugs that find her microphone, and yearh...
If it were up to me, death sentence for the thugs, and somthing proportional to what the police did by not securing her.
Btw, what would a college grad need with 13k worth of drugs and a handgun? Wearing a freaking microphone, you would think the thugs would be a bit suspicious
she could have also denied the plea bargain and get charged just like any other dealer. She had the choice.
I feel sorry for her as a human being but she made the decision herself. No one forced her to do it. Being an informant is very dangerous; anyone would know that whether a city police was watching your back or the FBI; its dangerous. But, again, it was her choice and I am sure she had a lawyer with her too when making the decision. These things aren't done in a closed off room without counsel.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
If you truely believe that there was no coercion on the part of the police then you are an ignoramous of epic proportions. Corruption runs so rampant through modern law enforcement it is sickening. Cops are nothing more than bullies with guns and way too much authority. This is blatently obious on many levels from original training right down to the streets. My girlfriend for example was going to become a cop, but then realized that all the people training with her were the people that were the bullies and overprivaleged jocks who simply liked power. One student said i just want the power thats why i am becoming a cop. WOW
... WTF that is some fucked up shit. Seriously now this is sad...
I know how plea barganing works (I used to be a cop). A lawyer is usually present during these negotiations as well as the prosecuting attorney and considering she was a white female Jewish college grad I am as sure as I have two eyes she had a lawyer in that room.
There was no coercion.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
"I''m here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... And I''m all outa bubblegum"
The drug dealer made a deal with the police, to get out of a 5 year sentence.
Um, she was a drug dealer, doing what she usually did. Drug dealers kill each other and innocent people all the time[/b]. You live by the sword, you die by the sword.
She was a dangerous person herself.She did that crap all the time, on her own.
She was going to die anyway. Sorry. Either from drugs, from being dropped onto a highway, or from her boyfriend.
The parents failed in a massive way a long time ago and that won't change. They might do something if there is money in it for them. Either they are in jail themselves, and/or they are just that ignorant.
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I grew up in a town of 3000 people in the midwest the Sherrif lived next to the biggest drugdealer in the town, the dealer kept his stash in his fathers business/store, if you looked out the Sherrifs office window you had a clear veiw of said store. Do the math...
That being said have a look at this.
http://www.talentondisplay.com/pusserabout.html
Taking your money and keeping your mouth shut is easier than getting shot up. Or your wife or kids.
Girl - Known Drug dealer, arrested more then once for selling drugs
Girl - agreed to help
Girl - could have said "no", need lawyer or mommy and daddy.
Girl - could have just accepted her sentence.
Whats the problem?
There are many laws against....wait for it.....selling drugs. Selling drugs makes you....a drug dealer.
Society generally frowns on this sort of behavior.
Police are allowed to make these sorts of bargains. These are regulated, they didn't pick her up and get her to agree to this in the back seat of the police car. She KNEW what she was getting into.
Here is a thought, don't sell drugs and you will not get put in this position in life.
Just an idea. Call me stupid or crazy but just an idea even an intellectual giant such as yourself could understand.
Again....where were mommy and daddy during all of this?
...So I'm a cruel unintelligent person because I can't summon any sympathy for a burnout, drug dealer who agreed to help authorities to reduce her sentence. Bad insensitive Torak, bad.
I will continue to consume MY air at an alarming rate.
They were in denial. Look at them. They were successful white upper class white collared job people. The first time their daughter was caught they probably had a good lawyer and she got probabtion. The second time she got caught dealing, no amount of great lawyers will change the prosecuting attorney's mind. The plea bargaining of being a NARC was probably the only option other than facing ail time.
Did you see the mom? She looked like she smoked the magic dragon as well. People who smokes pot all the time advocates that smoking pot is healthier than smoking cigarettes, That's a stupid statement. That's like saying playing in traffic of sudans and suvs are a lot safer than playing in traffic with Semi tractor trailers. You'll get killed from it either way. I have a brother who smokes pot for over 14 years now.....he looks like shit.
But to answer your post, the parents knew about it but was just in denial....again...
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Enigma intersting that you used to be a cop... Makes your opinion in the matter so skewed and distorted that it is almost useless. Just protecting the good name of the police, although in your defense the police have no good name to defend. Cops are corrupt bullies with guns who like to abuse power and people. There are very few instances of uncorrupted power in this world. Maybe even none... When you have an organization such as the police who, while yes have rules and regulations, are by large internally regulated like most exucutive institutions. Even though there is oversight by higher powers and the public it is easy to hide what really goes on due to the aformentioned internal regulation and review. Coercion was likely a factor, hell there is no saying what goes on behind closed doors, a flick of a switch and everything is off the books. The lawyer and prosecuting attorney may have been there but that doesnt stop coercion in some time or place.
Sorry, but it is a drug, a gateway drug at that, and part of the disgusting and destructive drug culture.
She was a drug dealer.
A locust of society.
You have no idea whether or not she was only a small-time dealer, not that it changes my opinion at all, but I guarantee you that she probably wasn't or would be for very long.
Pot contains THC and tar. Pot smokers ingest 3-5 times the amount of tar and carbon monoxide than regular tobacco smokers. Probably because they hold the smoke in their lungs for a while.
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I agree this is a very sad story. But some intresting things:
1. This girl was a member of not one, but TWO pro-drug organizations. She and her organization friends should have SOME common sense that they would not only be on the radar, but the biggest blips on the radar!!!
1b. Look at her first bust? A "traffic stop". How did that traffic stop happen? Was it a legal traffic stop? Did she do anything wrong to get stopped?
2. Right before she allowed herself to get into being the police informant, she calls her mother and tells her what she's doing. Her mother says don't do it. THEN her mother agrees to not tell Rachel's fanther, and Rachel's lawyer!! WHAT?!? I can sort of understand a 23 year old college girl being easily manipulated to do stuff going against logic. But her mother?!?
Her lawyer would have immediatly put a stop - since what the cops did was throughly illegal by not notifying her lawyer, or the court.
If her monther has any reamaining common sense, she should now notice she can 100% sue the police for everything - since what the police did was throughly illegal. The cops never notified the court, never notified the DA, never notified the court drug agency Rachel was turned over to, and never notified Rachel's lawyer.
3. These are THE dumbest cops I've ever heard of. No one was visually watching Rachel? The chief claims there were cops in the area. None of the roads were being watched (a-la drag net style) in case she went out of visual. None of the cops were visually watching her? There was no dry run? There was no plan B what to do if things went wrong - aka to drop everything and stop the buy?!?
4. It sounds like the cops wanted to on purpose execute Rachel, because she was a member of two organizations trying to legalize drugs. Hey, then no more easy police work going after harmlsss weed smokers! Notice no cop could be found to do the undercover work...
Another video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHGaOuoAMKM
Be sure to click on "MORE INFO" on the right side collum
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BTW, is it me, or is that ABC News site on purpose not allowing anyone to share their video of the story?
I tried to email it to others, and this big bar appears, covering the button to send the email?!?!!!
Oh yeah, something else I forgot about.
In Rachel's last bust, the police claim they got a call that she had drugs in her apartment.
Here's what likely happened:
http://www.usavsus.info/Videos/CELL%20PHONE-FBI-listenWhenTurnedOff.avi
http://www.usavsus.info/Videos/CELL%20PHONE-FBI-listenWhenTurnedOff.avi
http://www.usavsus.info/Videos/CELL%20PHONE-FBI-listenWhenTurnedOff.avi
The goverment can use YOUR cell phone, ANY cell phone, to listen in on everything nearby.
Even IF it is turned OFF.
The only way supposivly around this, is to take the battary out of the cell phone. Makes you want to think twice about buying any of those Apple iPhones ehhh?
Yes, exectly like they show in the new Batman movie. That (bleep) is real!!
The cops are looking for an easy score. Or they are looking for any possible dirt on someone they don't like - like a girl named Rachel who is a member of 2 pro-drug organizations. They listen in on all the cell phones in the area. All they need is 1 person who has a cell phone either in her apartment, or nearby.
They hear someone mention they are lighting up 1 spliff. Aha! It means they have drugs there the cops say to each other. They roll in. They announce to the press that they got a tip - it was a tip that led them to roll in. Ignore that 1/4 lb bag of weed, and 6 ...SIX... pills (OMG!!! Look out Gotti mafia!! Look out Genovese mafia!!). 1/4 lb bag of weed is roughly how many spliffs?
Last thing... on the video the commenter says 1/4 lb bag of weed is 4 years in prison. Wrong. It comes down to how GOOD OF A LAWYER the person has. And IF someone is going to become a member of not one, but two pro-drug organizations, they darn well better AHEAD OF TIME have the best lawyers they can find already in their rolodex!!! You don't wait until you are in trouble before finding a lawyer, accountant, doctor, etc... You do those things AHEAD OF TIME before you're in trouble!
The drug dealer made a deal with the police, to get out of a 5 year sentence.
Um, she was a drug dealer, doing what she usually did. Drug dealers kill each other and innocent people all the time[/b]. You live by the sword, you die by the sword.
She was a dangerous person herself.She did that crap all the time, on her own.
She was going to die anyway. Sorry. Either from drugs, from being dropped onto a highway, or from her boyfriend.
The parents failed in a massive way a long time ago and that won't change. They might do something if there is money in it for them. Either they are in jail themselves, and/or they are just that ignorant.
Ahahaha kid you have no idea what your saying. You need to go outside and learn whats socially acceptable these days. Die from drugs? ROFL good one.. Her boyfriend?... Lmao ok...
And you think that all drugs involve violence. Maybe cocaine on a large scale.. But having a QP of pot and being a college grad GIRL? LOL
She was a dangerous person herself?
Dude you need to learn alot about the world. The last sentence was the most ignorant and ironic thing ive heard in awhile. Id put money on it that you've never been to a unchaperoned party.
Its unfortunate what happened but people need to realize that smoking pot or doing anything illegal opens you up to a whole other world. Its not all happy munchy Cheech and Chong movies all the time. If something is illegal and you get caught these days anything can happen to you. You could end up shipped off somewhere and vanish off the face of the Earth.The police made a bad decision injecting an untrained inexperienced civilian into a really bad situation. If I was in her situation I would have just done a little time and try to get the charges reduced.
People need to realize there is no easy way out situations that have to do with something the law states is illegal. I think pot should be legalized but with the current laws I will not under no circumstance associate with people who deal. I've invested too much time into myself and those around me to just throw it away just because someone riding in my car has a stash on them. The risk vs. reward just doesn't make sense.
Also just because its pot doesn't mean the dealers you got it from are in a "safe" environment. It might look like everything is kewl-dood-whats-up-man but in reality they are most likely involved in other illegal activity and you might never see them ever again one day. Its like working for a corporation. There is someone farther up the chain and if they don't like how you are selling instead of firing you with 4 weeks pay you might end up at the bottom of the local river.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
She's dead, isn't she?
One would think that is a pretty good indicator of how well she judged situations, actions and consequences .
Sad story but damn hasn't she ever watched a damn drug movie. If plans change they dont change for the better. They moved the drug spot to a 3rd location come on if that doesn't scream we arn't going to pay you i dont know what will. She was dumb to follow.
No. Bad monkey. Stop that.
This was POT. And clearly a small amount of it. She was small time, just making some cash on the side. Pot isn't something people typically get killed over, because just about every dealer is small time. It's something you can easily grow in your basement, it' s not addictive, and people aren't usually killing eachother to get their next hit. It's a world away from harder drugs like coke.
Actually according to the OP she got caught with hard drugs too. She wasn't some harmless pot smoking hippie. If you get anything from this article it should be that. She was clearly in over her head.
No...actually drugs and money have to change hands for their to be intent to distribute / dealing charge. And any Drug dealer who wants to last more than a week only works with people he knows personally. Informants and "rats" are very important.
Thats makes as much sense as strawberry flavored shit.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Thats makes as much sense as strawberry flavored shit.
lol, can I have some?
You know this sort of thing happens all the time. I guess this one is special because it was a cute little college white girl.
My cousins husband is an undercover cop in Chicago, trust me they do this all the time. No one even blinks an eye when its a young black male. Its a shame our our society is like that boohooing over the girl who was just as much a pusher as anyone else.
Here is another thought,
Did the cops kill her, her bad judgment or did the other drug dealer kill her? Hmmm....Lets assign blame where it is due. No one forced him to kill her.
Sorry, but pot and X are not crimes. Pot is less harmful than alcohol. The people of Washington DC voted to legalize pot, but the vote was cancelled before they could be counted. I wonder who was involved there.
X was originally a marriage counseling drug. It's no different than valium or ambient or any other abusable perscription drug. If anything, X is pretty well tested and safe. Better education about how to use it (staying hydrated) would be nice, but I doubt it's any more deadly than, again, alcohol.
Drugs are "bad" and "dangerous" and often associated with crime and even harder drugs because they are forced into that environment. Sell some wacky tobacy cigarettes along with the regular cancer sticks and you'll see:
* More tax revenue
* Less crime (put drug dealers out of business!)
* Better health (better purity and quality assurance, if there's a bad batch, someone can be sued)
As for X, it could possibly be sold like beer and cigarettes given it's pretty safe. Again, it could be taxed, put criminals out of jobs, and be regulated.
We live in a society where at the local convienence store there is a large selection of crappy California wines. We set aside plenty of space for even poor quality alcohol, yet we prohibit marijuana?
This girl was not a criminal. She was someone that refused to acknowledge the unreasonable prohibition going on. There are interest groups, like the drug enforcement agencies themselves, that would be out of jobs if these drugs were legalized. Likewise, beer and cigarette companies would have more competition.
I wasn't trying to make this a "pot should be legal" issue so much as trying to cast this as something other, "She's an evil drug deal giving out death". What she has done is about as heinous as selling alcohol to a minor, which would never involve some kind of obscene plea bargain like this.
In America, selling it is illegal. She was selling it. She was caught. She got caught twice. No amount of antique woodstock tickets would have helped her.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.