Please don't you betas to see if you like the game, it is for them to get all the bugs out and polish for release. Maybe that is why l2 ac2 and shadowbane didnt make good releases, because everyone just wanted to see if they like it and not help make it better. None the less, I am going to have EQ2 regardless.
1 more thing.... SWG is the best MMORPG out there, I just wish you all could see the good side of MMO's instead of pointing out ever little bad part. I have played not a single rpg that sucked or was unplayable due to bugs ect. I just didn't like ones like L2 cause it wasnt my style of gameplay.
If you dont like it guys, dont get it. To me, it looks a great game, looks better than any game ive ever seen, in all aspects of what a game should be. That goes for PvP also, it will be fun to have PvP but because its not there at release doesnt make it a crap game.
Well, I was thinking that the grafics were kind of sterotypical of male and female characters. Kind of thought they were appealing to the mass market a bit to much and annnoying the hardcore fans of the game. Well, do they generally chenge the character modles dureing beta's. I like the creatures looks thow. They look quiet nice, very elegent animation the flow and so on. Guess they should have mworked on the hunman skins more thow. MAybe phot graf different peoplease skin and made it into a texture apllyable to the models.
J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
I just went to the EQ2 official forums and found an 8+ pages thread discussing the changes the community wanted for the character creation. The creator of the thread did a webpage and organized everything very neatly.
If you dont know what is the community complaining about you should go there.. If you have issues with the CC take a look at it too.
Moorgard posted in that thread saying that he is happy someone took the time to sum up the issues like that. HOPEFULLY they will apply all the changes.. but is just too much to expect.
Originally posted by raptorfalcon I just went to the EQ2 official forums and found an 8+ pages thread discussing the changes the community wanted for the character creation. The creator of the thread did a webpage and organized everything very neatly. http://www.u.arizona.edu/~hramsdel/crusade.htm If you dont know what is the community complaining about you should go there.. If you have issues with the CC take a look at it too. Moorgard posted in that thread saying that he is happy someone took the time to sum up the issues like that. HOPEFULLY they will apply all the changes.. but is just too much to expect.
Hey thats the link I was looking for.... That page sums up all the things that I myself think is wrong with the CC for EQ2. It seems Im not the only one who thinks this way. If they fix the models to look better/walk better then Ill definatly play that game even without PvP cuz then the game will be worth playing. I mean why hype up this magical world with intense graphics if the char models suck and totally ruin the immersion? Granted the models will look somewhat better with armor on but will still have the bad things listed on that site.
I hope SoE listens to the gamers this time and not just shrug it off.
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"Those who brake the ninja code and rules of this world are called trash. But you know what? Those who don't take care of their comrades are even lower than trash." - Hatake Kakashi
Are you buying everquest 2 for the Character Customization. I think the CC is extremley unique and do not go near L2 ok. You are missing some points of EQ2 the battles adventure quests friends, raids whether or not your next step is your last, killing stuff taking everything making enemies beating the crap outta stuff and occasionally getting the crap beaten out of you. And to look at it another way while you play youll either be looking at your ass and your back or not at yourself alone, not a closeup of you.
If You can make a better CC then this , get a team together and do it they did a great job.
Originally posted by rpgownage Lets all have so me cake with this whine. Are you buying everquest 2 for the Character Customization. I think the CC is extremley unique and do not go near L2 ok. You are missing some points of EQ2 the battles adventure quests friends, raids whether or not your next step is your last, killing stuff taking everything making enemies beating the crap outta stuff and occasionally getting the crap beaten out of you. And to look at it another way while you play youll either be looking at your ass and your back or not at yourself alone, not a closeup of you. If You can make a better CC then this , get a team together and do it they did a great job. Post Deleted, Story of my forum career.
well if we are going to look at our backs the whole time we better wear helmets always.. cause the playdoh hair SUCKS
no offense but if you think the character models in eq2 are bad then you're a fuckin retard. those models are far better than just about any char model in any mmorpg to date. you probably are too ignorant and stupid to know what normal mapping is. or the time it takes to create such detail on a model and to create such a large variety of ways to make a model look unique. no other game offers the extensive options that eq2 does at the moment. if you want to complain about character models go play anarchy online or asheron's call. i might be inclined to agree. but basically you're a whining idiot that can't do better and you expect too much. if they made it look as good as you want your pos computer probably couldn't even handle it.
My opinion doesn't matter anyway.
It is pathos we lack, and this lack of pathos makes the worlds we explore quite stale.
Originally posted by raptorfalcon I just went to the EQ2 official forums and found an 8+ pages thread discussing the changes the community wanted for the character creation. The creator of the thread did a webpage and organized everything very neatly. http://www.u.arizona.edu/~hramsdel/crusade.htm If you dont know what is the community complaining about you should go there.. If you have issues with the CC take a look at it too. Moorgard posted in that thread saying that he is happy someone took the time to sum up the issues like that. HOPEFULLY they will apply all the changes.. but is just too much to expect.
Hey thats the link I was looking for.... That page sums up all the things that I myself think is wrong with the CC for EQ2. It seems Im not the only one who thinks this way. If they fix the models to look better/walk better then Ill definatly play that game even without PvP cuz then the game will be worth playing. I mean why hype up this magical world with intense graphics if the char models suck and totally ruin the immersion? Granted the models will look somewhat better with armor on but will still have the bad things listed on that site.
I hope SoE listens to the gamers this time and not just shrug it off.
I read the site and i agree with you. Everything on the site about EQ 2's CC creations are true (about the problems). It looks detailed but sloppy. I don't think ive ever seen a good game where the posture was that bad. Resident Evil and Dynasty Warriors 4 has better posture than than EQ2. Not only that Lineage 2 graphics and female figure looks way more attractive. EQ2 style in hair looks like a plastic doll.
The faces . . .well i hope they can change expression cuz if they can't like in SWG then it's borring. The figure also looks lazy. I'm glad this site was posted cuz it shows me the Character Crations was done very lazy like.
Not getting the game due to the character models (which seem fine to me) has to be the single most idiotic reason I have ever heard of. Ever. No, seriously... ever. Maybe they were just kidding, yes... that has to be it.
Have you seen any ingame videos? There's nothing wrong at all! I suppose it is all subjective, pending on if you can see or not.
Anything can improve, so there is room for improvement. I'd rather they work on something that's actually meaningful as this seems to be covered pretty well already.
Originally posted by BlackMoon Not getting the game due to the character models (which seem fine to me) has to be the single most idiotic reason I have ever heard of. Ever. No, seriously... ever. Maybe they were just kidding, yes... that has to be it. Have you seen any ingame videos? There's nothing wrong at all! I suppose it is all subjective, pending on if you can see or not. Anything can improve, so there is room for improvement. I'd rather they work on something that's actually meaningful as this seems to be covered pretty well already.
I'm not getting that game at all (becuase i don't want to . . .yet). Im getting WoW (cuz im a fan). Also about improvemt. Their is room for improvment but it's not the room, its the time of improvment that matters. And all of that depends
Originally posted by Antioche no offense but if you think the character models in eq2 are bad then you're a fuckin retard. those models are far better than just about any char model in any mmorpg to date.
Is SOE paying you? If not you should get fanboy of the year.
I got the character look I wanted for a barbarian. Almost perfect. I do understand that some of the models (i.e., High Elves) still look plasticky, but hey, you can't please everyone and some folks don't mind playing a Botox hero.
Originally posted by BlackMoon WoW graphics come straight from a cartoon dating back before the millennium.
It's called animated not cartoon. Theres a difference. WarCraft 3 always hit between realistic <------and-------->animated.
So you really can't say it's cartoon.
Hehe. No, I disagree. Anime.. is a cartoon. If it is animated... it is a cartoon. Cartoon! People seem offended these days at that word (not sure why). Basically the whole point was to draw comparison between the realism of both WoW and EQ2. Some people feel EQ2 characters look fake. I was pointing out my opinion of what WoW looks like.
Gah, fine, fine...! I still say it's a cartoon though.
Originally posted by raptorfalcon Actually the whole thread is about opinions.. so anyone can say what they think of it. AND I'm not the only one that feels cheated in the character creation.. just head over to the official eq2 forums and you'll see.. In fact there are many people posting side to side pictures of screenshots that SOE released about characters and how they look now, just see the huge difference between what they offered and what they gave.. BTW lol good idea ill cover my whole body in armor and avoid to show myself in public witout it :P I feel bad for most females since male characters look way better designed than female ones..
hehe, this sounds like SOE all right. They promise so much and then fail to deliver. SWG did the same thing, massive amount of promises and no delivery. I too thought the CC was weak. It wasnt awful, but not the best Ive ever seen. CoH definitely has them beat. I think people are upset because they were told to expect more, not less from this. In fact, one of EQ2's bold promises involved the dramatic small effects like hair tossing and moving about when we run, etc.
SOE also told us that with EQ2, I'd actually be able to recognize a friend's toon by just seeing him. The CC would that detailed so anyone would have a unique look. I dont see it happening as it stands now. Whats up with that weird color thingie ? Why not use color blocks and more than just 5 colors and shades ? Why no choices in clothing ? Hair styles look like a FF11 dev on crack made them. Whats worse, this is pretty much how we will look. We've seen a small window into EQ2 and frankly has me worried. Not so much because I cant live with the way my toon will look. More because we fear that other issues will fail to live up to their promises.
Typical SOE, big dreams but fail to follow through. This is exactly how SWG started out and people here tell me NOT to worry about eq2 ending up like swg did. I see the same ugly pattern immerging.
Typical SOE, big dreams but fail to follow through. This is exactly how SWG started out and people here tell me NOT to worry about eq2 ending up like swg did. I see the same ugly pattern immerging.
I see this happening with EQ2 also just like SWG. Same hype and yet its not really cracked up to be what it was hyped up to be. I just hope people dont get duped into playing another SWG type game just cuz of all the promises from SOE. IF and this is a big IF the game turns out to not live up to the hype I hope people have half a brain to realise it and not be brainless and continue to play the game just cuz they are fanbois of the game.
I have high hopes for this game but they are looking grim at the moment... subpar CC...absolutely ZERO PvP...whats next....super slow mo combat where it takes 10 mins to kill one mob(End content bosses excluded)? (God I hope not).
Ill continue to watch EQ2 with a skeptical mind cuz Ive been burned by SoE in the past and I see a VERY VERY familar pattern emerging from the development of EQ2.
Anyone who had played COH will say that this character creation is horrid in comparison. But comparing to the original EQ character creation it seems well done. I mean basically all you'll have to tell how someone looks is there head. Because all of their armor will shape how they look otherwise and if they have a helmet on you won't even see that. So CC isn't that much of an issue with a game like EQ2.
You seem awfully trusting of a company that has absolutely no MMORPG experience and who has only produced games that provide short-term fun. That being Blizzard... just saying, people knock SOE around for not meeting their demands. Obviously some people are content with it. It gets tiring...
And your first mistake is expecting too much. High expectations always lead to a BIG let down. That's true for anything... as an example, the movie "The Village" -- some people went in thinking it was going to be a super-scary horror on the edge of your seat movie. They were then disappointed. I, however, went in thinking it will simply be a good movie. And it was, I loved it! Thinking positive is good... but not too the extremes!
I don't have any right to scold anybody here, so I will just say that's not what I am doing. I havn't even preordered the game yet. I simply am baffled at the large playerbase that goes from MMO to MMO and complains the whole time.
Originally posted by Antioche no offense but if you think the character models in eq2 are bad then you're a fuckin retard. those models are far better than just about any char model in any mmorpg to date.
Is SOE paying you? If not you should get fanboy of the year.
umm, you're even dumber than the person who created this thread. i seriously doubt you could do better so stfu . and I could just as easily say you're a gd fanboi of the haters of SOE. Again you're stupid and talentless. Go learn how to create models that look as good as the ones in eq2 and then maybe you'll gain an appreciation for how difficult it can be.
My opinion doesn't matter anyway.
It is pathos we lack, and this lack of pathos makes the worlds we explore quite stale.
Originally posted by BlackMoon You seem awfully trusting of a company that has absolutely no MMORPG experience and who has only produced games that provide short-term fun. That being Blizzard... just saying, people knock SOE around for not meeting their demands. Obviously some people are content with it. It gets tiring... And your first mistake is expecting too much. High expectations always lead to a BIG let down. That's true for anything... as an example, the movie "The Village" -- some people went in thinking it was going to be a super-scary horror on the edge of your seat movie. They were then disappointed. I, however, went in thinking it will simply be a good movie. And it was, I loved it! Thinking positive is good... but not too the extremes! I don't have any right to scold anybody here, so I will just say that's not what I am doing. I havn't even preordered the game yet. I simply am baffled at the large playerbase that goes from MMO to MMO and complains the whole time.
Umm hello, who makes us think expectations should be high ??? Who tells us things like "hair will be unique and move" and other hype. SOE does, my expectations are built on their hype. SOE did this with swg too, we were told to expect the all time best mmorpg ever with tons of other examples. They just never followed through. So, actually this is SOE's fault, not a player.
Hmmm...I have read through all of these posts about the CC (just preordered, so don't have mine just yet), and find that folks seem to forget that computer games can change a LOT in 3 months. Additionally, with the recent changes in EQ 1, it is apparent the player base is being listened to. Now, I did quit EQ this month after 5 years, but that was because of the frustration of constant lfg, people ruining the role play exp, and the need for an army of 50 players to see anything past 1st tier planes. Personally, I would rather focus on RP aspects than "eye candy" any day. I remember how the original EQ characters looked, and with a simple update how they changed DRAMATICALLY. I also still think that humans in EQ 1 run like they have osteosorothis (sp). It is absoutely impossible to please everyone, and easy to find one thing to nitpick out of any activity. I saw some notes about combat issues...gee, maybe we're going to get a ROLE PLAYING game (crosses fingers)...shrug...all I know is that I preordered it and will play if for a bit...and no, not a fanboi, also have a collectors edition of SWG gathering dust on the shelf that I quit two months after release...peace...
Twiz, read around on other postings about this subject also. Someone posted a link about the fact that the CC is pretty much how they will look in the game. To quote soe, "There wont be any major changes to cc"
People are upset because this is it. This what we were hyped about and learn its not the best CC ever. Nobody could say based on SOE's hype (that a toon would be recognizable without his name) that its worthy of the hype. Its not the worst CC ever, but CoH has it beat by far. I think even swg has it beat too. SWG allows you to adjust your toons overall body type's weight and build. All EQ2 allows is big or small, pretty limiting for the hype SOE put out on it.
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Please don't you betas to see if you like the game, it is for them to get all the bugs out and polish for release. Maybe that is why l2 ac2 and shadowbane didnt make good releases, because everyone just wanted to see if they like it and not help make it better. None the less, I am going to have EQ2 regardless.
1 more thing.... SWG is the best MMORPG out there, I just wish you all could see the good side of MMO's instead of pointing out ever little bad part. I have played not a single rpg that sucked or was unplayable due to bugs ect. I just didn't like ones like L2 cause it wasnt my style of gameplay.
J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
I just went to the EQ2 official forums and found an 8+ pages thread discussing the changes the community wanted for the character creation. The creator of the thread did a webpage and organized everything very neatly.
http://www.u.arizona.edu/~hramsdel/crusade.htm
If you dont know what is the community complaining about you should go there.. If you have issues with the CC take a look at it too.
Moorgard posted in that thread saying that he is happy someone took the time to sum up the issues like that. HOPEFULLY they will apply all the changes.. but is just too much to expect.
Hey thats the link I was looking for.... That page sums up all the things that I myself think is wrong with the CC for EQ2. It seems Im not the only one who thinks this way. If they fix the models to look better/walk better then Ill definatly play that game even without PvP cuz then the game will be worth playing. I mean why hype up this magical world with intense graphics if the char models suck and totally ruin the immersion? Granted the models will look somewhat better with armor on but will still have the bad things listed on that site.
I hope SoE listens to the gamers this time and not just shrug it off.
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"Those who brake the ninja code and rules of this world are called trash. But you know what? Those who don't take care of their comrades are even lower than trash." - Hatake Kakashi
Lets all have so me cake with this whine.
Are you buying everquest 2 for the Character Customization. I think the CC is extremley unique and do not go near L2 ok. You are missing some points of EQ2 the battles adventure quests friends, raids whether or not your next step is your last, killing stuff taking everything making enemies beating the crap outta stuff and occasionally getting the crap beaten out of you. And to look at it another way while you play youll either be looking at your ass and your back or not at yourself alone, not a closeup of you.
If You can make a better CC then this , get a team together and do it they did a great job.
Post Deleted, Story of my forum career.
"Stare at the Sun Im bored"
My opinion doesn't matter anyway.
It is pathos we lack, and this lack of pathos makes the worlds we explore quite stale.
http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/Antioche
Hey thats the link I was looking for.... That page sums up all the things that I myself think is wrong with the CC for EQ2. It seems Im not the only one who thinks this way. If they fix the models to look better/walk better then Ill definatly play that game even without PvP cuz then the game will be worth playing. I mean why hype up this magical world with intense graphics if the char models suck and totally ruin the immersion? Granted the models will look somewhat better with armor on but will still have the bad things listed on that site.
I hope SoE listens to the gamers this time and not just shrug it off.
I read the site and i agree with you. Everything on the site about EQ 2's CC creations are true (about the problems). It looks detailed but sloppy. I don't think ive ever seen a good game where the posture was that bad. Resident Evil and Dynasty Warriors 4 has better posture than than EQ2. Not only that Lineage 2 graphics and female figure looks way more attractive. EQ2 style in hair looks like a plastic doll.
The faces . . .well i hope they can change expression cuz if they can't like in SWG then it's borring. The figure also looks lazy. I'm glad this site was posted cuz it shows me the Character Crations was done very lazy like.
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Not getting the game due to the character models (which seem fine to me) has to be the single most idiotic reason I have ever heard of. Ever. No, seriously... ever. Maybe they were just kidding, yes... that has to be it.
Have you seen any ingame videos? There's nothing wrong at all! I suppose it is all subjective, pending on if you can see or not.
Anything can improve, so there is room for improvement. I'd rather they work on something that's actually meaningful as this seems to be covered pretty well already.
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http://stargate.mgm.com/specialops/link.php?urlid=48&id=7871
http://stargate.mgm.com/specialops/link.php?urlid=49&id=7871
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Is SOE paying you? If not you should get fanboy of the year.
-SGC Special Ops
http://stargate.mgm.com/specialops/link.php?urlid=48&id=7871
http://stargate.mgm.com/specialops/link.php?urlid=49&id=7871
It's called animated not cartoon. Theres a difference. WarCraft 3 always hit between realistic <------and-------->animated.
So you really can't say it's cartoon.
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I got the character look I wanted for a barbarian. Almost perfect. I do understand that some of the models (i.e., High Elves) still look plasticky, but hey, you can't please everyone and some folks don't mind playing a Botox hero.
It's called animated not cartoon. Theres a difference. WarCraft 3 always hit between realistic <------and-------->animated.
So you really can't say it's cartoon.
Hehe. No, I disagree. Anime.. is a cartoon. If it is animated... it is a cartoon. Cartoon! People seem offended these days at that word (not sure why). Basically the whole point was to draw comparison between the realism of both WoW and EQ2. Some people feel EQ2 characters look fake. I was pointing out my opinion of what WoW looks like.
Gah, fine, fine...! I still say it's a cartoon though.
-SGC Special Ops
http://stargate.mgm.com/specialops/link.php?urlid=48&id=7871
http://stargate.mgm.com/specialops/link.php?urlid=49&id=7871
I see this happening with EQ2 also just like SWG. Same hype and yet its not really cracked up to be what it was hyped up to be. I just hope people dont get duped into playing another SWG type game just cuz of all the promises from SOE. IF and this is a big IF the game turns out to not live up to the hype I hope people have half a brain to realise it and not be brainless and continue to play the game just cuz they are fanbois of the game.
I have high hopes for this game but they are looking grim at the moment... subpar CC...absolutely ZERO PvP...whats next....super slow mo combat where it takes 10 mins to kill one mob(End content bosses excluded)? (God I hope not).
Ill continue to watch EQ2 with a skeptical mind cuz Ive been burned by SoE in the past and I see a VERY VERY familar pattern emerging from the development of EQ2.
You seem awfully trusting of a company that has absolutely no MMORPG experience and who has only produced games that provide short-term fun. That being Blizzard... just saying, people knock SOE around for not meeting their demands. Obviously some people are content with it. It gets tiring...
And your first mistake is expecting too much. High expectations always lead to a BIG let down. That's true for anything... as an example, the movie "The Village" -- some people went in thinking it was going to be a super-scary horror on the edge of your seat movie. They were then disappointed. I, however, went in thinking it will simply be a good movie. And it was, I loved it! Thinking positive is good... but not too the extremes!
I don't have any right to scold anybody here, so I will just say that's not what I am doing. I havn't even preordered the game yet. I simply am baffled at the large playerbase that goes from MMO to MMO and complains the whole time.
-SGC Special Ops
http://stargate.mgm.com/specialops/link.php?urlid=48&id=7871
http://stargate.mgm.com/specialops/link.php?urlid=49&id=7871
Is SOE paying you? If not you should get fanboy of the year.
umm, you're even dumber than the person who created this thread. i seriously doubt you could do better so stfu . and I could just as easily say you're a gd fanboi of the haters of SOE. Again you're stupid and talentless. Go learn how to create models that look as good as the ones in eq2 and then maybe you'll gain an appreciation for how difficult it can be.
My opinion doesn't matter anyway.
It is pathos we lack, and this lack of pathos makes the worlds we explore quite stale.
http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/Antioche
Twiz, read around on other postings about this subject also. Someone posted a link about the fact that the CC is pretty much how they will look in the game. To quote soe, "There wont be any major changes to cc"
People are upset because this is it. This what we were hyped about and learn its not the best CC ever. Nobody could say based on SOE's hype (that a toon would be recognizable without his name) that its worthy of the hype. Its not the worst CC ever, but CoH has it beat by far. I think even swg has it beat too. SWG allows you to adjust your toons overall body type's weight and build. All EQ2 allows is big or small, pretty limiting for the hype SOE put out on it.
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