Voted Yes Another cool thing is LoTRO repels a-holes , cause you won't find to many in the game world. Almost the whole community is helpful and friendly to new player and old, and the A-hole factor is not even a problem. Not a lot of games can say they are a-hole proof but lotro is pretty close ! Something about the game just keeps them away
Strange didnt kept you away from it. Something must be wrong in your theory. I suggest trying to look at it from another point of view.
i quit at level 40, i had fun with it while i played. by the time i hit 40 i was just burned out. I really never got into monster play, no interest. it is a good game though, very polished. i think the biggest problem i had with the game is the lore, it's very repetative, how much varitey can you have win your stuck with the LOTR theme. your either fighting trolls, goblins or undead. all the classes are human, you do not get enough skills pass 30 ( maybe cause i rolled a minstrel) but my buddy had hunter and said the same thing. but i definately would say give it a shot if you are interested in the lore.
There are more races than just humans, as there is Man, Elf, Dwarf, and Hobbit.
There is much of the material that can seem repetative, or even drag, but that is why there is multiple areas for the same levels of content. If you are tired of trolls at level 30-40, depart Trollshaws and head to Evendim. There are various foes that you can encounter at any location, but the good thing about LOTRO, the foes seem to make sense. I am not being attacked by a rabbit, because it seems to be a science project gone wrong.
The Lore is vast however. If you have read the books, you would be amazed at how little the game has even touched so far. We have not even made it past some of the first chapters of content in complete form yet.
The skill base is a relief for me. I have grown weary of getting fireball 2, then 3, then 4, and so on. The skill grows with your level, and you get a skill every other level that is interactive. There are also quest skills, for the classes you choose, and these will provide additional skills for battle or travelling.
Once you hit 39, you can also start to work on the legendary quests. At 45, you get your final quest for your class, which is quite involving, and gives the most dear skill to your class. The three legendary skills are very kind to helping with a variety of play styles, as you can only have 2 equipped.
There is so much to the game. There is more than meets the eye, one might say. (Gandalf in particular)
I really liked the game, but didn't feel compelled to keep playing it past a couple of months. Thought the graphics were gorgeous personally, the landscapes and water were damn nice. One of those games where you just want to go around the map for the sake of seeing new vistas, if your PC is strong enough ofc.
The animations and combat were nothing I haven't seen before but felt fine, not too clunky but not entirely fluid, they did fine.
Played all the classes to level 20 at least to get a feel for them and thought there was a decent enough variety between them all, I stuck with my Burglar and Champion mostly as I like the "feel" of those two classes the best.
The pacing through the early parts of the game was strong enough to keep you enticed into wanting to open up more of the questlines and got you exploring around the world fairly quickly, a few interesting "non combat" quests that keep you entertained like delivering pies and running errands in the Shire etc...
Didn't mess with pvp or play it enough to get into any sort of end-game so can't speak to those.
The auction house and crafting were easy enough to get into, again nothing new there really but some nice quirks such as being able to grow your own tobacco and blow various smoke rings with the different varieties. Being able to play music with various instruments was another interesting touch.
I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the game to anyone as I personally think it's pretty slick and worth playing, but again can't really speak to any sort of pvp or endgame experiences as I wasn't captivated long enough to get into it. I guess the drawbacks for me were burning myself out playing all the classes and running all the beginner zones so many times over. I did hit a point where I got bored just playing the game (to the point of falling asleep at the PC) but I'm sure if I had just chosen a main and stuck with it then I could have seen some more impressive things.
The game has alot of charm I would say try it out definately. They had some free trial available at some point dunno if that's still going on or not, but if so it will give you a good idea of what it has in store.
This sums up my experience in LoTRO exactly....I would also recommend just picking one class and going with it in this game......I also played all 7 classes and by the time I had done the 7th one I was extremely tired of questing.......I also did not enjoy the game after level 35...It just felt like all I was doing was running around all over the place and not actually playing......I'd recommend the game for most people to try but I wouldnt recommend a lifetime membership.......
Will start by saying that I won't even listen to the trolls. What I want to know is if this game is any good. I heard that people say it's an awesome PvE game and would like to try it myself but want to hear what others say about this game. I will even insert a poll for LOTRO people can vote.
So basicly that translates as:
Is this game any good? Only reply if the answer is yes. If it is no then I will not listen to you.
The title of this thread should actually read "I intend to get this game but I am uncertain about it. Could the LOTRO fans please tell me how brilliant it is so I can get psyched up to play it".
I played it and thought it was very VERY boring. It was like playing a poor single player game in co-op mode. The cutesy graphics were not as good as everyone makes out and the world felt very empty. It was just a very plain and unexciting linear mmo and if it wasnt a Lord of the Rings game then no-one would bother with it.
Of course you cant read this can you because now I am a troll. Raaaggghhhh!!!!!
LOTRO is the best MMO out now and in the foreseeable future, including WAR.
In general MMO's are not a very good game. They are all mindless, skilless, zerg fests, chasing a carrot you're never going to catch. Some of us do enjoy the relaxation of a mindless game though. So we play MMO's.
The game is quite good. Very Solid technically and gameplay wise.. It's the only game I keep ending up playing after new games come out.
But I also have a full time life. Wife, Annoying Job, etc.. So LOTRO seems to fit with that. It's not a game for the "HARDCORE ZOMG RUSH TO 50 AND PWN EVERYBODY" .. It's a casual game, played as anything other than a casual game, you'll hate it. It doesn't have the "gear grind" like WoW, or the treadmill PvP systems. It's end game consists of further character advancement (Deeds..) , and raids (which I've never even seen.. ) PvP is fun, in small doses...
Overall, YES, it's a VERY good game, for the right minded person. It's not a "Play it to beat it" game, it's a play it to enjoy it game. It's a good thing there are so many "ZOMG PWN YOU" type of gamers out there that have no interest or lose interest in LOTRO. Because of that, and as stated above, LOTRO has the best idiot free community of any game to date.
Hey TSW Players http://www.unfair.co/ for Mission guides, Lore Locations and stuff....
The game is quite good. Very Solid technically and gameplay wise.. It's the only game I keep ending up playing after new games come out. But I also have a full time life. Wife, Annoying Job, etc.. So LOTRO seems to fit with that. It's not a game for the "HARDCORE ZOMG RUSH TO 50 AND PWN EVERYBODY" .. It's a casual game, played as anything other than a casual game, you'll hate it. It doesn't have the "gear grind" like WoW, or the treadmill PvP systems. It's end game consists of further character advancement (Deeds..) , and raids (which I've never even seen.. ) PvP is fun, in small doses... Overall, YES, it's a VERY good game, for the right minded person. It's not a "Play it to beat it" game, it's a play it to enjoy it game. It's a good thing there are so many "ZOMG PWN YOU" type of gamers out there that have no interest or lose interest in LOTRO. Because of that, and as stated above, LOTRO has the best idiot free community of any game to date.
I am not one for few words when I decide to reply, but this is words enough. Very nicely said Sigurd57, this is my favorite thing about this game.
The game is quite good. Very Solid technically and gameplay wise.. It's the only game I keep ending up playing after new games come out. But I also have a full time life. Wife, Annoying Job, etc.. So LOTRO seems to fit with that. It's not a game for the "HARDCORE ZOMG RUSH TO 50 AND PWN EVERYBODY" .. It's a casual game, played as anything other than a casual game, you'll hate it. It doesn't have the "gear grind" like WoW, or the treadmill PvP systems. It's end game consists of further character advancement (Deeds..) , and raids (which I've never even seen.. ) PvP is fun, in small doses... Overall, YES, it's a VERY good game, for the right minded person. It's not a "Play it to beat it" game, it's a play it to enjoy it game. It's a good thing there are so many "ZOMG PWN YOU" type of gamers out there that have no interest or lose interest in LOTRO. Because of that, and as stated above, LOTRO has the best idiot free community of any game to date.
QFT
I dont think anyone has ever put it that succinctly.
Had they taken more time and added 2 leveling factions this would have been the best game ever imo. Just about everything in this game is well done except for the pvp. If your looking for a laid back fun pve game this is as good as it gets.
Yes it is very good and with the release of Mines or Moria it will become just that much better. One of the best MMOs I have played. I left EQ2 for this after spending way too long at SOE. EQ, SWG and two years of EQ2. Turbine has been fantastic and not only is it a graphically great game it is stable. Something I wish other games were.
The skill base is a relief for me. I have grown weary of getting fireball 2, then 3, then 4, and so on. The skill grows with your level, and you get a skill every other level that is interactive. There are also quest skills, for the classes you choose, and these will provide additional skills for battle or travelling. Once you hit 39, you can also start to work on the legendary quests. At 45, you get your final quest for your class, which is quite involving, and gives the most dear skill to your class. The three legendary skills are very kind to helping with a variety of play styles, as you can only have 2 equipped. There is so much to the game. There is more than meets the eye, one might say. (Gandalf in particular)
You're painting with a broad brush here and it really sounds like you're doing a PR job for Turbine. "There is so much to this game". Whatever, you should see EQ2 or FF11. You are also ignoring that all lore-masters, champions, etc are the same. There is no variety in the classes, and these skills are just handed to you and cannot be decided over for making a unique character for your play-style. (in other, more complex mmos, it would be called a 'build')
As for traits, well, each class has set virtue and class traits for either pvp or pve. (as for racial traits, that's a no-brainer considering the lack of them) You don't really have a choice, (you do, but those other traits are worthless) so everyone in a certain class tends to pick the same traits based on their usefulness, it just so happens there are few useful ones for each class. Now if there were a large list of traits that made a class different from each other depending on the trait put in, like the class traits were supposed to do, well that would be just swell. But that is not so, leaving all Guardians the same, and all the other classes the same. As for legendary traits, most of them are not so 'legendary' (looking at the Champion class) Since you can only get three or so of them, (you have two slots to put them in) it's like the rest of the game, there's just not that many options.
And the lack of options is definitely apparent later in the game, when it comes down to running Rift for the 100th time, grinding deeds, or grinding rep for those crappy items. Or you can, like everyone else that still plays LotRO seem to do, re-roll. Since it doesn't take that long of a time to hit 50, reach 'end game', and see all of this, it is clear why it can be boring. Others may not like the forced grouping in order to do quests that are required to level up, or the lack of world pvp, boring and slow combat, and any number of issues I won't bring up.
As someone else has mentioned, it really is like a single player game with co-op: you play it for the storyline/fun/etc, then after that there's not much else left. (hence why most people in my guild only got online to raid. there was probably what, 50+ people on during raid time but outside of that there was, maybe, 10 or so regularly online)
I like playing games, usually I'm pretty casual, but even I don't like re-rolling soon after reaching max level because "there's not much left to do". So what would else could I do besides stop paying and stop playing? And although I must say pvp can be fun, there are not enough monster players, and certainly not enough well-skilled monster players (most people give up when they get raped by, lets see, a party of lore-masters) Even then though, the pvp became more of a grind for rep/title/etc for those who regularly did groups.
This game needs more traits, more skills, more levels, more pvp zones, more pvp content, more higher level content, less grinding for said content, a change in the crafting system, better and increased itemization, and pretty much more of everything. (a lot of it is hindered by lore, but eh, that doesn't seem to be too much of a problem now, what with the Rune-keeper class coming out)
Maybe change is on the wind for LotRO, MoM seems like a step in the right direction. We'll see
tl;dr: lotro is boring after a while. re-rolling blows, especially if you can do said content on your first character (anyone else here run ered luin, the shire, and breeland one right after another?)
You're painting with a broad brush here and it really sounds like you're doing a PR job for Turbine. "There is so much to this game". Whatever, you should see EQ2 or FF11. You are also ignoring that all lore-masters, champions, etc are the same. There is no variety in the classes, and these skills are just handed to you and cannot be decided over for making a unique character for your play-style. (in other, more complex mmos, it would be called a 'build')
As for traits, well, each class has set virtue and class traits for either pvp or pve. (as for racial traits, that's a no-brainer considering the lack of them) You don't really have a choice, (you do, but those other traits are worthless) so everyone in a certain class tends to pick the same traits based on their usefulness, it just so happens there are few useful ones for each class. Now if there were a large list of traits that made a class different from each other depending on the trait put in, like the class traits were supposed to do, well that would be just swell. But that is not so, leaving all Guardians the same, and all the other classes the same. As for legendary traits, most of them are not so 'legendary' (looking at the Champion class) Since you can only get three or so of them, (you have two slots to put them in) it's like the rest of the game, there's just not that many options.
And the lack of options is definitely apparent later in the game, when it comes down to running Rift for the 100th time, grinding deeds, or grinding rep for those crappy items. Or you can, like everyone else that still plays LotRO seem to do, re-roll. Since it doesn't take that long of a time to hit 50, reach 'end game', and see all of this, it is clear why it can be boring. Others may not like the forced grouping in order to do quests that are required to level up, or the lack of world pvp, or any number of issues I won't bring up.
As someone else has mentioned, it really is like a single player game with co-op: you play it for the storyline/fun/etc, then after that there's not much else left. (hence why most people in my guild only got online to raid. there was probably what, 50+ people on during raid time but outside of that there was, maybe, 10 or so regularly online)
I like playing games, usually I'm pretty casual, but even I don't like re-rolling soon after reaching max level because "there's not much left to do". So what would else could I do besides stop paying and stop playing? And although I must say pvp can be fun, there are not enough monster players, and certainly not enough well-skilled monster players (most people give up when they get raped by, lets see, a party of lore-masters) Even then though, the pvp became more of a grind for rep/title/etc for those who regularly did groups.
This game needs more traits, more skills, more levels, more pvp zones, more pvp content, more higher level content, less grinding for said content, a change in the crafting system, better and increased itemization, and pretty much more of everything. (a lot of it is hindered by lore, but eh, that doesn't seem to be too much of a problem now, what with the Rune-keeper class coming out)
Maybe change is on the wind for LotRO, MoM seems like a step in the right direction. We'll see
tl;dr: lotro is boring after a while. re-rolling blows, especially if you can do said content on your first character (anyone else here run ered luin, the shire, and breeland one right after another?)
Well, thank you for such a compliment as to say my post was professional looking. Perhaps I should see if I can get a job as such. Jokes aside, you are showing a good side of research and little to actual experience.
The game is very much the same as nearly all, with the character development. However, it takes out the nonsense of acquiring a leveled up skill over and over and over... After all, the skill tree in WoW (much like Diablo), is the same concept as the traits in LOTRO. Everyone does it the same 3 to 6 ways.
In your post, you seem to be so quick to bash one thing, and advertise another. I played EQ2 and FFXI; I did not care for either personally. I do not go as far as you, as to say, nay, this game sucks for all. I do find it is not to my liking however.
You seek a complex character development, or at least one more customizing? I would suggest UO, as it is skill based, and on what you use. Your character develops as how you play. This is the best way for any character development, in my opinion. I do not bash games that do not do this, but I find a medium to which I find comfortable.
In all, your post did much but show that you dislike LOTRO, for one reason or another. Perhaps if you did not focus only on things that you did not like, you would find there are things that you might like. It is a healthier way to look at life as well.
Well, thank you for such a compliment as to say my post was professional looking. Perhaps I should see if I can get a job as such. Jokes aside, you are showing a good side of reseach and little to actual experience.
The game is very much the same as nearly all, with the character development. However, it takes out the nonsense of acquiring a leveled up skill over and over and over... After all, the skill tree in WoW (much like Diablo), is the same concept as the traits in LOTRO. Everyone does it the same 3 to 6 ways.
In your post, you seem to be so quick to bash one thing, and advertise another. I played EQ2 and FFXI; I did not care for either personally. I do not go as far as you, as to say, nay, this game sucks for all. I do find it is not to my liking however.
You seek a complex character development, or at least one more customizing? I would suggest UO, as it is skill based, and on what you use. Your character develops as how you play. This is the best way for any character development, in my opinion. I do not bash games that do not do this, but I find a medium to which I find comfortable.
In all, your post did much but show that you dislike LOTRO, for one reason or another. Perhaps if you did not focus only on things that you did not like, you would find there are things that you might like. It is a healthier way to look at life as well.
You are saying that I thought your review was professional, I was in fact implying you seem like a fanboy, unable to admit fault in something you hold precious. And yes, I have played this game and I have two level 50s, Champion first and Lore-master second. I also had a 2x Burglar before I quit. And is the idea of someone who has gone that far and yet not love the game too hard to grasp? Is that why you say I've done research and have little experience? I cannot see what else that could mean.
And yes, they are the same concept, except WoW, EQ2 and others allow for more variation. LotRO does not, due to the current lack of good traits, which I mentioned. And the only thing I advertised was EQ2 and FF11, and only as far as complexity goes. They too have their problems, but that is not the issue here. Anyway, besides the fact that UO is pretty much dead, how is EQ2 or WoW's skill systems, while different in the end, different in concept? You level up skills based on how you want to play right? Fury, tanker, arms, or a mix for Warriors and etc, etc for other classes. In this game, you're just a Burglar. Why can't it be different? Is more complexity unfun?
And what does 'but I find a medium to which I find comfortable' even mean anyway? That you're just settling for less?
And yes, in it's current state I am dissastified with LotRO. But if you read my post, you would know that I also look to the future for this game (since I do like it at the same time, mainly the storyline of course) MoM seems like a great expansion, and there seems to be lots of additions coming to the game. We'll see how it all plays out, and perhaps it will keep more of us around longer this time.
I have read your claims to having 2 level 50's and other posts before I posted. To have that, and claim that everyone is the same, that seems a bit far fetched. The only character that I have that follows a majority in the trait set-up is the burglar. Aside from that, their is variation, and that you deny.
So you think I am a 'fanboy', and I find that humorous. If you did your homework as I had, you would see, I post in suggestions, and state that some things would be better in difference, but it is the overall that is better for myself. I do not claim this is a game for everyone, nor do I say all other games are bad. You on the other hand are agrumentive.
I have met level 50's that do not understand the game, just as in WoW, 70's that did not know how to play. Having a level 50 does not mean you are an expert. I have a friend who has 5 level 50's and got a second account just to play the other 2 classes. I would say she has a better claim to knowledge to the game, as she can play all the classes, and understand the lore behind things, or lack there of.
Be as it may, you will only find contention at the fact I disagree, and imply that I am protecting Turbine or Lord of the Rings Online, when I am just protecting my opinion. It is that, I am not forcing it on anyone, as you are trying. Just because you dislike something, that does not mean everyone will see it the same way you do.
By many of your posts, you seem to be an end gamer. Lord of the Rings online is not an end game style MMO. It is not set up for many raids and being 'l33t'. It is a game of cooperation, relaxing story, and discovery. If you seek raids, and do not wish to submerge yourself in lore, then by all means, flame away.
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Strange didnt kept you away from it. Something must be wrong in your theory. I suggest trying to look at it from another point of view.
i quit at level 40, i had fun with it while i played. by the time i hit 40 i was just burned out. I really never got into monster play, no interest. it is a good game though, very polished. i think the biggest problem i had with the game is the lore, it's very repetative, how much varitey can you have win your stuck with the LOTR theme. your either fighting trolls, goblins or undead. all the classes are human, you do not get enough skills pass 30 ( maybe cause i rolled a minstrel) but my buddy had hunter and said the same thing. but i definately would say give it a shot if you are interested in the lore.
I am sorry that you seen it this way Medafor.
There are more races than just humans, as there is Man, Elf, Dwarf, and Hobbit.
There is much of the material that can seem repetative, or even drag, but that is why there is multiple areas for the same levels of content. If you are tired of trolls at level 30-40, depart Trollshaws and head to Evendim. There are various foes that you can encounter at any location, but the good thing about LOTRO, the foes seem to make sense. I am not being attacked by a rabbit, because it seems to be a science project gone wrong.
The Lore is vast however. If you have read the books, you would be amazed at how little the game has even touched so far. We have not even made it past some of the first chapters of content in complete form yet.
The skill base is a relief for me. I have grown weary of getting fireball 2, then 3, then 4, and so on. The skill grows with your level, and you get a skill every other level that is interactive. There are also quest skills, for the classes you choose, and these will provide additional skills for battle or travelling.
Once you hit 39, you can also start to work on the legendary quests. At 45, you get your final quest for your class, which is quite involving, and gives the most dear skill to your class. The three legendary skills are very kind to helping with a variety of play styles, as you can only have 2 equipped.
There is so much to the game. There is more than meets the eye, one might say. (Gandalf in particular)
This sums up my experience in LoTRO exactly....I would also recommend just picking one class and going with it in this game......I also played all 7 classes and by the time I had done the 7th one I was extremely tired of questing.......I also did not enjoy the game after level 35...It just felt like all I was doing was running around all over the place and not actually playing......I'd recommend the game for most people to try but I wouldnt recommend a lifetime membership.......
So basicly that translates as:
Is this game any good? Only reply if the answer is yes. If it is no then I will not listen to you.
The title of this thread should actually read "I intend to get this game but I am uncertain about it. Could the LOTRO fans please tell me how brilliant it is so I can get psyched up to play it".
I played it and thought it was very VERY boring. It was like playing a poor single player game in co-op mode. The cutesy graphics were not as good as everyone makes out and the world felt very empty. It was just a very plain and unexciting linear mmo and if it wasnt a Lord of the Rings game then no-one would bother with it.
Of course you cant read this can you because now I am a troll. Raaaggghhhh!!!!!
It's good , try it
LOTRO is the best MMO out now and in the foreseeable future, including WAR.
In general MMO's are not a very good game. They are all mindless, skilless, zerg fests, chasing a carrot you're never going to catch. Some of us do enjoy the relaxation of a mindless game though. So we play MMO's.
The game is quite good. Very Solid technically and gameplay wise.. It's the only game I keep ending up playing after new games come out.
But I also have a full time life. Wife, Annoying Job, etc.. So LOTRO seems to fit with that. It's not a game for the "HARDCORE ZOMG RUSH TO 50 AND PWN EVERYBODY" .. It's a casual game, played as anything other than a casual game, you'll hate it. It doesn't have the "gear grind" like WoW, or the treadmill PvP systems. It's end game consists of further character advancement (Deeds..) , and raids (which I've never even seen..
) PvP is fun, in small doses...
Overall, YES, it's a VERY good game, for the right minded person. It's not a "Play it to beat it" game, it's a play it to enjoy it game. It's a good thing there are so many "ZOMG PWN YOU" type of gamers out there that have no interest or lose interest in LOTRO. Because of that, and as stated above, LOTRO has the best idiot free community of any game to date.
Hey TSW Players http://www.unfair.co/ for Mission guides, Lore Locations and stuff....
I am not one for few words when I decide to reply, but this is words enough. Very nicely said Sigurd57, this is my favorite thing about this game.
QFT
I dont think anyone has ever put it that succinctly.
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Love it.
Gives me that special feeling that only my first online game did.
Excelent role play feel, a very Tolkien world, very pretty graphics too.
The skills and classes? standart, not very diferent from what you find on other MMOs, but i never complained about those
Give it a try.
Had they taken more time and added 2 leveling factions this would have been the best game ever imo. Just about everything in this game is well done except for the pvp. If your looking for a laid back fun pve game this is as good as it gets.
Yes it is very good and with the release of Mines or Moria it will become just that much better. One of the best MMOs I have played. I left EQ2 for this after spending way too long at SOE. EQ, SWG and two years of EQ2. Turbine has been fantastic and not only is it a graphically great game it is stable. Something I wish other games were.
You're painting with a broad brush here and it really sounds like you're doing a PR job for Turbine. "There is so much to this game". Whatever, you should see EQ2 or FF11. You are also ignoring that all lore-masters, champions, etc are the same. There is no variety in the classes, and these skills are just handed to you and cannot be decided over for making a unique character for your play-style. (in other, more complex mmos, it would be called a 'build')
As for traits, well, each class has set virtue and class traits for either pvp or pve. (as for racial traits, that's a no-brainer considering the lack of them) You don't really have a choice, (you do, but those other traits are worthless) so everyone in a certain class tends to pick the same traits based on their usefulness, it just so happens there are few useful ones for each class. Now if there were a large list of traits that made a class different from each other depending on the trait put in, like the class traits were supposed to do, well that would be just swell. But that is not so, leaving all Guardians the same, and all the other classes the same. As for legendary traits, most of them are not so 'legendary' (looking at the Champion class) Since you can only get three or so of them, (you have two slots to put them in) it's like the rest of the game, there's just not that many options.
And the lack of options is definitely apparent later in the game, when it comes down to running Rift for the 100th time, grinding deeds, or grinding rep for those crappy items. Or you can, like everyone else that still plays LotRO seem to do, re-roll. Since it doesn't take that long of a time to hit 50, reach 'end game', and see all of this, it is clear why it can be boring. Others may not like the forced grouping in order to do quests that are required to level up, or the lack of world pvp, boring and slow combat, and any number of issues I won't bring up.
As someone else has mentioned, it really is like a single player game with co-op: you play it for the storyline/fun/etc, then after that there's not much else left. (hence why most people in my guild only got online to raid. there was probably what, 50+ people on during raid time but outside of that there was, maybe, 10 or so regularly online)
I like playing games, usually I'm pretty casual, but even I don't like re-rolling soon after reaching max level because "there's not much left to do". So what would else could I do besides stop paying and stop playing? And although I must say pvp can be fun, there are not enough monster players, and certainly not enough well-skilled monster players (most people give up when they get raped by, lets see, a party of lore-masters) Even then though, the pvp became more of a grind for rep/title/etc for those who regularly did groups.
This game needs more traits, more skills, more levels, more pvp zones, more pvp content, more higher level content, less grinding for said content, a change in the crafting system, better and increased itemization, and pretty much more of everything. (a lot of it is hindered by lore, but eh, that doesn't seem to be too much of a problem now, what with the Rune-keeper class coming out)
Maybe change is on the wind for LotRO, MoM seems like a step in the right direction. We'll see
tl;dr: lotro is boring after a while. re-rolling blows, especially if you can do said content on your first character (anyone else here run ered luin, the shire, and breeland one right after another?)
You're painting with a broad brush here and it really sounds like you're doing a PR job for Turbine. "There is so much to this game". Whatever, you should see EQ2 or FF11. You are also ignoring that all lore-masters, champions, etc are the same. There is no variety in the classes, and these skills are just handed to you and cannot be decided over for making a unique character for your play-style. (in other, more complex mmos, it would be called a 'build')
As for traits, well, each class has set virtue and class traits for either pvp or pve. (as for racial traits, that's a no-brainer considering the lack of them) You don't really have a choice, (you do, but those other traits are worthless) so everyone in a certain class tends to pick the same traits based on their usefulness, it just so happens there are few useful ones for each class. Now if there were a large list of traits that made a class different from each other depending on the trait put in, like the class traits were supposed to do, well that would be just swell. But that is not so, leaving all Guardians the same, and all the other classes the same. As for legendary traits, most of them are not so 'legendary' (looking at the Champion class) Since you can only get three or so of them, (you have two slots to put them in) it's like the rest of the game, there's just not that many options.
And the lack of options is definitely apparent later in the game, when it comes down to running Rift for the 100th time, grinding deeds, or grinding rep for those crappy items. Or you can, like everyone else that still plays LotRO seem to do, re-roll. Since it doesn't take that long of a time to hit 50, reach 'end game', and see all of this, it is clear why it can be boring. Others may not like the forced grouping in order to do quests that are required to level up, or the lack of world pvp, or any number of issues I won't bring up.
As someone else has mentioned, it really is like a single player game with co-op: you play it for the storyline/fun/etc, then after that there's not much else left. (hence why most people in my guild only got online to raid. there was probably what, 50+ people on during raid time but outside of that there was, maybe, 10 or so regularly online)
I like playing games, usually I'm pretty casual, but even I don't like re-rolling soon after reaching max level because "there's not much left to do". So what would else could I do besides stop paying and stop playing? And although I must say pvp can be fun, there are not enough monster players, and certainly not enough well-skilled monster players (most people give up when they get raped by, lets see, a party of lore-masters) Even then though, the pvp became more of a grind for rep/title/etc for those who regularly did groups.
This game needs more traits, more skills, more levels, more pvp zones, more pvp content, more higher level content, less grinding for said content, a change in the crafting system, better and increased itemization, and pretty much more of everything. (a lot of it is hindered by lore, but eh, that doesn't seem to be too much of a problem now, what with the Rune-keeper class coming out)
Maybe change is on the wind for LotRO, MoM seems like a step in the right direction. We'll see
tl;dr: lotro is boring after a while. re-rolling blows, especially if you can do said content on your first character (anyone else here run ered luin, the shire, and breeland one right after another?)
Well, thank you for such a compliment as to say my post was professional looking. Perhaps I should see if I can get a job as such. Jokes aside, you are showing a good side of research and little to actual experience.
The game is very much the same as nearly all, with the character development. However, it takes out the nonsense of acquiring a leveled up skill over and over and over... After all, the skill tree in WoW (much like Diablo), is the same concept as the traits in LOTRO. Everyone does it the same 3 to 6 ways.
In your post, you seem to be so quick to bash one thing, and advertise another. I played EQ2 and FFXI; I did not care for either personally. I do not go as far as you, as to say, nay, this game sucks for all. I do find it is not to my liking however.
You seek a complex character development, or at least one more customizing? I would suggest UO, as it is skill based, and on what you use. Your character develops as how you play. This is the best way for any character development, in my opinion. I do not bash games that do not do this, but I find a medium to which I find comfortable.
In all, your post did much but show that you dislike LOTRO, for one reason or another. Perhaps if you did not focus only on things that you did not like, you would find there are things that you might like. It is a healthier way to look at life as well.
Well, thank you for such a compliment as to say my post was professional looking. Perhaps I should see if I can get a job as such. Jokes aside, you are showing a good side of reseach and little to actual experience.
The game is very much the same as nearly all, with the character development. However, it takes out the nonsense of acquiring a leveled up skill over and over and over... After all, the skill tree in WoW (much like Diablo), is the same concept as the traits in LOTRO. Everyone does it the same 3 to 6 ways.
In your post, you seem to be so quick to bash one thing, and advertise another. I played EQ2 and FFXI; I did not care for either personally. I do not go as far as you, as to say, nay, this game sucks for all. I do find it is not to my liking however.
You seek a complex character development, or at least one more customizing? I would suggest UO, as it is skill based, and on what you use. Your character develops as how you play. This is the best way for any character development, in my opinion. I do not bash games that do not do this, but I find a medium to which I find comfortable.
In all, your post did much but show that you dislike LOTRO, for one reason or another. Perhaps if you did not focus only on things that you did not like, you would find there are things that you might like. It is a healthier way to look at life as well.
You are saying that I thought your review was professional, I was in fact implying you seem like a fanboy, unable to admit fault in something you hold precious. And yes, I have played this game and I have two level 50s, Champion first and Lore-master second. I also had a 2x Burglar before I quit. And is the idea of someone who has gone that far and yet not love the game too hard to grasp? Is that why you say I've done research and have little experience? I cannot see what else that could mean.
And yes, they are the same concept, except WoW, EQ2 and others allow for more variation. LotRO does not, due to the current lack of good traits, which I mentioned. And the only thing I advertised was EQ2 and FF11, and only as far as complexity goes. They too have their problems, but that is not the issue here. Anyway, besides the fact that UO is pretty much dead, how is EQ2 or WoW's skill systems, while different in the end, different in concept? You level up skills based on how you want to play right? Fury, tanker, arms, or a mix for Warriors and etc, etc for other classes. In this game, you're just a Burglar. Why can't it be different? Is more complexity unfun?
And what does 'but I find a medium to which I find comfortable' even mean anyway? That you're just settling for less?
And yes, in it's current state I am dissastified with LotRO. But if you read my post, you would know that I also look to the future for this game (since I do like it at the same time, mainly the storyline of course) MoM seems like a great expansion, and there seems to be lots of additions coming to the game. We'll see how it all plays out, and perhaps it will keep more of us around longer this time.
I have read your claims to having 2 level 50's and other posts before I posted. To have that, and claim that everyone is the same, that seems a bit far fetched. The only character that I have that follows a majority in the trait set-up is the burglar. Aside from that, their is variation, and that you deny.
So you think I am a 'fanboy', and I find that humorous. If you did your homework as I had, you would see, I post in suggestions, and state that some things would be better in difference, but it is the overall that is better for myself. I do not claim this is a game for everyone, nor do I say all other games are bad. You on the other hand are agrumentive.
I have met level 50's that do not understand the game, just as in WoW, 70's that did not know how to play. Having a level 50 does not mean you are an expert. I have a friend who has 5 level 50's and got a second account just to play the other 2 classes. I would say she has a better claim to knowledge to the game, as she can play all the classes, and understand the lore behind things, or lack there of.
Be as it may, you will only find contention at the fact I disagree, and imply that I am protecting Turbine or Lord of the Rings Online, when I am just protecting my opinion. It is that, I am not forcing it on anyone, as you are trying. Just because you dislike something, that does not mean everyone will see it the same way you do.
By many of your posts, you seem to be an end gamer. Lord of the Rings online is not an end game style MMO. It is not set up for many raids and being 'l33t'. It is a game of cooperation, relaxing story, and discovery. If you seek raids, and do not wish to submerge yourself in lore, then by all means, flame away.