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What the HELL is so amazing?....
sgel
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I'm either blind... or there's nothing there...
I've played countless other MMOs... and I'm playing two of them now... I've also been playing WAR beta... playing and playing actually, trying to find out what's all the fuss about.... is it the RvR ?
I've also been reading these forums and I've noticed a few people who keep on posting comments like "it will rock your socks off" or "prepare to be engulfed in the most amazing game ever" or "this will blow you away" or "this will devour every other MMO out there"...... now either these people are old addicted DAOC players who live to play RVR (which is fine) or they've never played other MMOs.....
I mean I've got feelings... I like playing games... but there's nothing about this game that would excite me...
What are these elements that are supposed to rock my socks off?
..Cake..
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I will sum up this thread with a single question.
Did you play DAoC?
STOP WHINING!
The main draw of the gameplay for me is just finally getting a modern game with some real support behind focused on large scale pvp.
The fact that it's in a fantasy setting that I've loved for a long time was the initial draw, but I being able to log in to a game and spend hours simply fighting chaotic battles nonstop while progressing a character just was sorely needed.
If this game delivers then that's enough for me, need something like this to even energize me about this entire genre anymore. Just want to play an online game that is frantic and fun while still getting my "rpg character development" fix.
I've never played DAoC, but I'm quite excited to try this game out. I'm currently a big WOW-addict, and I'm just looking for something new.
it will rock your socks off
I will sum up this thread with a single question.
Did you play DAoC?
How does that have anything to do with WAR?
Honestly people just because you played SWG doesnt mean you will like Vanguard.
I hate those type of comparisons.
-Jive
I'm sorry, but I can only say this: duh?
World PVP is what it's all about, and where WoW (an otherwise good game) falls completely flat on its face.
I'm sorry, but I can only say this: duh?
World PVP is what it's all about, and where WoW (an otherwise good game) falls completely flat on its face.
Sadly it used to be all about World PvP.
Thats the only thing I dont like about wow today,is the Instanced PvP battles.
-Jive
If I feel happy playing the game, then that is it for me. Why must it be amazing?
As for those big words, oh come one, TV ads tells you that drinking a coke will raise you to heaven. Do you really believe in that?
Judge a game by its entertainment values. Who cares what they say on a board?
I will sum up this thread with a single question.
Did you play DAoC?
How does that have anything to do with WAR?
Honestly people just because you played SWG doesnt mean you will like Vanguard.
I hate those type of comparisons.
-Jive
Lol, ok dude just so you know SWG isn't like Vanguard therefore there cant be a comparison.
WAR is like DAoC therefore its a big attraction to old DAoC players, RvR just rocks, if you haven't tried it then too bad for you.
I'm sorry, but I can only say this: duh?
World PVP is what it's all about, and where WoW (an otherwise good game) falls completely flat on its face.
Sadly it used to be all about World PvP.
Thats the only thing I dont like about wow today,is the Instanced PvP battles.
-Jive
Yep, I feel the same. Soon as the honor system and battlegrounds rolled in, my interest in playing WoW began to decline.
Thanks for some of the constructive responses..
As for the comparisons between the RvR in WoW and WAR... why are you even comparing it?
WAR was built as an RvR game... that's why people who want heavy PvE will look elsewhere (mainly Lotro and WoW)....
Yeah WAR has very good RvR (it was MADE that way!).... but apart from that ... what?...
Stop saying it's the second coming.... just say it's the best RvR game out there... the english language isn't really complicated... learn to use it properly.
and on a personal matter... no matter how many times I RvR, it still feels like a zerg-fight with some pseudo-strategy in it... (and believe me I've played/reviewed/tested a lot of strategic games.... be it rts/group fps/boardgames etc)
Don't throw things like "you go here and do this, i'll go there and do that" and call it "strategy"... it's a joke
..Cake..
There's nothing wrong with not liking PVP. Nothing anyone says to you is going to convince you that you like it, when you don't. What are you looking for? WAR is all about the RVR, and everything that RVR entails. That's the answer to your question. End of thread.
I like it and it is the best mmo I have ever played. I have also never played doac before and I have played many other mmos. What so amazing is you can't seem to rap your mind around the fact that some people like games you don't. You don't like war then get the hell out of here.
Thanks for the early morning laughs
But besides that, it is clear that you don't like the game. No problem there, just uninstall it and don't look back. There are enough other MMO's out there, so it's not like you are forced to play the game.
I'm sorry, but I can only say this: duh?
World PVP is what it's all about, and where WoW (an otherwise good game) falls completely flat on its face.
Sadly it used to be all about World PvP.
Thats the only thing I dont like about wow today,is the Instanced PvP battles.
-Jive
WoW was never about World PvP. It was something you could do.. but sadly ignored. RvR is World PvP x 100.
I'm sorry, but I can only say this: duh?
World PVP is what it's all about, and where WoW (an otherwise good game) falls completely flat on its face.
Sadly it used to be all about World PvP.
Thats the only thing I dont like about wow today,is the Instanced PvP battles.
-Jive
WoW was never about World PvP. It was something you could do.. but sadly ignored. RvR is World PvP x 100.
Obviously you weren't playing @ release ^^
It's not WoW. Bud-dum-dum-bump!
Let it be known that I hate WoW with a passion and will defend almost any MMORPG against it.
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It's not DAoC either. Far from it.
RvR came from DAoC - 3 factions battling it out over central keeps and trying to conquer them.
It was purely server related and open world PvP.
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Warhammer started out as a 2 factions game but with 3vs3 theme. 6 capitols each defended by its 6 "home" sub Armies. Each would help each other reunited in ONE big push to clean it all.
A very dynamic RvR setting :
X ---- X ----X
| | |
Y ----Y ----Y
A mere 8 weeks ago - the idea being promoted for 3 years now was dropped.
4 of the 6 Capitols were scrapped (and replaced by some minor midfields keeps) and more importantly the 6 subarmies were replaced with just 2 factions. That was the reason some Armies lost their tanks btw.
It is now "RvR" with just 2 factions and each with their capitol. The bad guys vs the good guys. RvR ???
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Two years ago: it was going to be ALL open world fights and sieges, now 95% of all the fighting will be instanced (BG's become "scenario's) and even the end capitol sieges will be player capped (to avoid lag).
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Last fact: forget about server (RvR?) proud: because most instanced scenarios will be server linked (to avoid too long waiting queues).
So what have we here?: a 1 vs 1, with instanced scenarios linked servers and the good vs the bad guys.
So long so good: but only the programmers between us know what it's like to finish a program where 65% of end content was scrapped... 8 weeks ago.
18 Sep is now a rope connected to Mythic's neck and it was EA that attached it.
Hence no end game showing in Beta.
The announcement timing of this rather big content scrap was .... very interesting. It came 3 weeks after the Conan crash launch (of not having end game siege sytems and other announced content).
.....need I say more ?
A: The CB testers have done end-game. They know it's all there. They know it's fun. They know it's not incomplete. Mythic just doesn't want people 'finishing' the game in the goddam open beta.
B:And "95% of all the fighting will be instanced"? All I can say is wait for tomorrow, so you can see just how wrong you are when you can actually, you know, see the game.
Your source of information is sadly outdated. That doesn't surprise me though since looking at your post history tells me you're a WoW fan with something to prove against WAR.
You could mention how much of this you pulled out of your butt....but that would nullify anything you just mentioned.
65% of content wasn't cut. 4 cities were. You could say 66% of the cities were cut but not 66% of the content. There are at least 3 zones to each tier 4. With just the zones added up you have a 25% content cut. Add in all the scenarios, fortresses, instances and its less then a 10% content cut. Math ftw.
RvR is Destruction VS Order. Racial pairings are just flavoring. Its not race vs race it is realm vs realm and races are part of the realm.
Scenarios are not even confirmed as linked. It was something mention by the devs that they were mulling over just like Dogs of War.
95% of all fighting will be instanced? LOL. Way to make up numbers AND have absolutely no beta experience. LMAO oh this one made my day. You could have at least tried for a plausible number.
Bottom line is you have never played the game. I have and EVERYTHING you stated is wrong. Not even in the ballpark.. Do some more homework and come back with a more plausible troll.
Owned
Paul is right when he says it's 80% what we know and 20% new content. The problem is the 80% of what they copied from previous mmorpgs isn't as good as say what WOW has done. As soon as the NDA is released i'm shitting on this game so bad because too many people are hyping it into something its not and I'm giving them the honest review.
You could mention how much of this you pulled out of your butt....but that would nullify anything you just mentioned.
65% of content wasn't cut. 4 cities were. You could say 66% of the cities were cut but not 66% of the content. There are at least 3 zones to each tier 4. With just the zones added up you have a 25% content cut. Add in all the scenarios, fortresses, instances and its less then a 10% content cut. Math ftw.
RvR is Destruction VS Order. Racial pairings are just flavoring. Its not race vs race it is realm vs realm and races are part of the realm.
Scenarios are not even confirmed as linked. It was something mention by the devs that they were mulling over just like Dogs of War.
95% of all fighting will be instanced? LOL. Way to make up numbers AND have absolutely no beta experience. LMAO oh this one made my day. You could have at least tried for a plausible number.
Bottom line is you have never played the game. I have and EVERYTHING you stated is wrong. Not even in the ballpark.. Do some more homework and come back with a more plausible troll.
Owned
A few details:
I clearly said 65% of the END content (by scrapping >4 of the 6 capitols).
Pairings were NOT flavor for 2 years. Just look at the old videos promoting the 3vs3 aspect.
By 95% of the fighting I clearly meant of course the PvP scenarios - with mostly 12 vs 12 and the occasional 18vs18 limit). It is clear that these instanced BG's will prime the so called World PvP you talk about by a wide margin (80% - 95% who cares, it is NO world PvP).
So keep up the hope and hope those programmers work hard the next few days.
People should allready start not to preorder / buy games, especially mmo's they never ever played
themselves before. You're not loosing anything if you'll wait about a week after official release to
may even save a 50 bucks.
Don't trust the hype anymore! ever!
How does that have anything to do with WAR?
Honestly people just because you played SWG doesnt mean you will like Vanguard.
I hate those type of comparisons.
-Jive
Lol, ok dude just so you know SWG isn't like Vanguard therefore there cant be a comparison.
WAR is like DAoC therefore its a big attraction to old DAoC players, RvR just rocks, if you haven't tried it then too bad for you.
This last comment is probably the biggest piece of misinformation in this entire thread... second only to the person saying CB testers know end game is complete..
WAR is NOTHING like DAoC... There is a general concept of similar ideas.. but logging into DAoC and then logging into my WAR "elder" tester account.. nothing alike.
By concept.. say siege.. pvp/rvr... as far as the actual games and the way the concept is delivered... if you can say they are the same.. you are either blind.. or a shill from the SWG boards.. and I think that's the first time I've used that term on this site.
I mean.. I honestly hope the game does well as more failed MMO's will not inspire people to fund projects to feed my online gaming addiction.
But WAR is NOT .. DAoC
Its imho a hybrid of WoW/DAoC that fails at emulating either game... like I said.. my opinion.
I just find some of these facts people are presenting here... pretty fantasy based in nature.