I don't play WAR but I do normally play healers in other games. I must say that with healing it's a 2 way street. If someones specced for healing and is actually healing the group then you dps / tanking people need to realise that part of your job is to protect the healer from the enemy. Too many times people expect heals and give nothing in return, you spend an entire match healing the group and then when a 7 foot dps specced orc runs up and starts pummeling the healer what do these people do? Absolutely nothing! Do they help by killing / cc'ing the offending enemy who dares to mess with their life giving healer, no they just run off and do their own thing and then complain about "not getting healed".
There are some people (including myself) that got pissed off enough to roll up a runie after being grouped with 3 and not recieving one heal... problem I was thinking is they get so caught up trying to do their shit DDs they forget their main purpose in the group... at that point imho you deserve to lose. Once the game is live and you can keep up with guilds and friends and not worry about the char wipe you can recruit some great healers. Edit - Also for new healers, go to the options on the dispaly and turn on health bars above names. Also in scenarios it helps a TON to turn on the raid group window and use that instead for everyone in the BG. It's so much more effective than focusing on your group alone. The health bars over names is great for the spur of the moment skirmishes where you can visually see the fight infront of you and choose who needs healing mainly. There are a lot of tricks, the game is still new and i'm hoping people will learn with time. WoW just ruined the group mindset for most people that had it as their first MMO.
How do you turn raid group on in scenario?????
Everytime I joined in and zoned it would have a pop up window showing all of the parties and where u could join. Up by the title there is a square checkmark box. I just checked it and it'd put a group window for that party. I would check the ones that had people and roll. The problem I was finding is u have to do that every time. They haven't set it to remember previous settings yet (besides location that you move the actual bars to). Hope that helps
Edit - Also there is a button on the radar circle after you close the intitial pop up. I think its on the W side.
I don't play WAR but I do normally play healers in other games. I must say that with healing it's a 2 way street. If someones specced for healing and is actually healing the group then you dps / tanking people need to realise that part of your job is to protect the healer from the enemy. Too many times people expect heals and give nothing in return, you spend an entire match healing the group and then when a 7 foot dps specced orc runs up and starts pummeling the healer what do these people do? Absolutely nothing! Do they help by killing / cc'ing the offending enemy who dares to mess with their life giving healer, no they just run off and do their own thing and then complain about "not getting healed".
Agreed. That is one of the major points I made in my long rant a few posts above yours. People think healers are there to help them, but no one wants to help the healers. I already went on a long rant about it tho, so I won't do it again!
Might be kinda shitty but if I have a melee on me and i'm kiting (helps a ton! use line of sight to your advantage, also terrain) I just focus healing myself or other healers. Jumping up and down infront of a tank too and blocking them sometims gets people's attention.
I don't play WAR but I do normally play healers in other games. I must say that with healing it's a 2 way street. If someones specced for healing and is actually healing the group then you dps / tanking people need to realise that part of your job is to protect the healer from the enemy. Too many times people expect heals and give nothing in return, you spend an entire match healing the group and then when a 7 foot dps specced orc runs up and starts pummeling the healer what do these people do? Absolutely nothing! Do they help by killing / cc'ing the offending enemy who dares to mess with their life giving healer, no they just run off and do their own thing and then complain about "not getting healed".
Agreed. That is one of the major points I made in my long rant a few posts above yours. People think healers are there to help them, but no one wants to help the healers. I already went on a long rant about it tho, so I won't do it again!
Yup been there. That's why I don't play healers. To many people want to zerg, expect you to be their personal slave, totally ignore the rest of the group.
While i agree with you that healers need to take more active role in RvR, lets face it, fighting is more fun than playing heal bot...and the way RvR is going, everyone will need a heal every other second. WAR would be more fun if healing powers didnt exist... it would make the battles more fun and productive. Finally, the sad thing about PQs is that in order to get number 1 on everything...heres my lil secret, throw dots on everything that moves. Tab + DOT hotkey + Tab + DOT ...ect. Its very easy getting #1. I have yet to see an active healer get close to 1 without throwing out dots or curses left and right, regardless of your class.
Its beta madness.. Just wait till release and see how many healers are in the right hands...
Players that live for RVR and have done it for many years together. Its gonna be the same as in DAoC.
The PUGS will have crap healers and people will be whining alot.
So i play a glass cannon, and have for several months now. One of the constants that I have ran into in scenarios and most open-world RvR events is that most healers simply do not heal. I do not understand why this is really. Warrior Priests (being insanely OP'd right now) seem to just jump into a crowd of 5-6 destro's and tear the place apart. DoKs are far more inclined to dish out pain than throw a heal to a Sorc standing right next to them.
Do these healers not realize they easily land #1 in PQs if you team with a DPS (especially a Sorc or BW with max darkmagic) and healhealheal? Do these healers not realize they get renown and XP in scenarios for healing?
I constantly see myself getting attacked, running back in front of a healer, and instead of healing....he attacks the guy who is pummeling me or simply ignored me. This often leads to death. I understand that healers are meant to do some damage as well, but PLEASE GOD for your own benefit and ours do your freakin job. Heal damn it, heal!
I run with a guild group, and occasionally attempt to heal folks outside the group... but most people jump around like fish out of water making it rather tough to attempt to save them.
Not only that... but about the 20th or 30th person who's ass I did manage to save who never said thanks... did start to get old. So I mainly stick with just healing my group.
You have a guild? In beta?
The next is not against you:
Are we that far? People take the virtual friendships into release or even from one game to another?
mmh, maybe.
For me it is just "new game = new people, new guild, new enemies". But if there are some people, who see it a bit more... "hardcore" is a nice word.
You can always use it, and people won´t realise the insult. It is like "If you really hate a fat guy, give him something to eat. He even thinks, that he is your friend."
Yep I have a guild in beta, been running my own guild since 1997, small group of us run from game to game to game playing together and having fun. We also add folks every game just like you and others like you who dont stick with the same folks, we also lose members every game of people who stay behind.
Some people play for fun, some people play to escape, others like me play socially with friends.
First off, don't expect a healer to play the way you want him to. Secondly, don't expect people to be good players. If you want to form a group, then you form a group with players that know their role.
If you don't like the way some people play healers, then you need to sign up to be a healer.
So i play a glass cannon, and have for several months now. One of the constants that I have ran into in scenarios and most open-world RvR events is that most healers simply do not heal. I do not understand why this is really. Warrior Priests (being insanely OP'd right now) seem to just jump into a crowd of 5-6 destro's and tear the place apart. DoKs are far more inclined to dish out pain than throw a heal to a Sorc standing right next to them.
Do these healers not realize they easily land #1 in PQs if you team with a DPS (especially a Sorc or BW with max darkmagic) and healhealheal? Do these healers not realize they get renown and XP in scenarios for healing?
I constantly see myself getting attacked, running back in front of a healer, and instead of healing....he attacks the guy who is pummeling me or simply ignored me. This often leads to death. I understand that healers are meant to do some damage as well, but PLEASE GOD for your own benefit and ours do your freakin job. Heal damn it, heal!
I run with a guild group, and occasionally attempt to heal folks outside the group... but most people jump around like fish out of water making it rather tough to attempt to save them.
Not only that... but about the 20th or 30th person who's ass I did manage to save who never said thanks... did start to get old. So I mainly stick with just healing my group.
You have a guild? In beta?
The next is not against you:
Are we that far? People take the virtual friendships into release or even from one game to another?
mmh, maybe.
For me it is just "new game = new people, new guild, new enemies". But if there are some people, who see it a bit more... "hardcore" is a nice word.
You can always use it, and people won´t realise the insult. It is like "If you really hate a fat guy, give him something to eat. He even thinks, that he is your friend."
Yep I have a guild in beta, been running my own guild since 1997, small group of us run from game to game to game playing together and having fun. We also add folks every game just like you and others like you who dont stick with the same folks, we also lose members every game of people who stay behind.
Some people play for fun, some people play to escape, others like me play socially with friends.
I play to win! Fun is when your friends and you are talked about ,hated and feared.
ok... i was about 70% sure about playing a rune priest... after reading this i'm kinda 95% sure i want to play one... i played healers since around 2002 in mmorpgs... not long... but not short either... but i just love doing it.... and when i dont have a heal on a class it doesn't feel right...
Now i've been in a few scenarios before preview... and i didn't try in preview since i was testing some alts and had some RL issues but i'll try soon... point is... i loved the first dwarf scenario... since 99% of what i do is get to a high spot and then hot everyone who is not on 100% and heal everyone who's going critical... i almost never get time to dps... since there's always someone running around with low hp... and you know what? i LOVE to play that way... when i have time, i'll cast a dot... but RPs and Zeals are almost pure healers and should be played like that in a team... scenario, rvr, pq or just plain teaming...
i'm looking forward to healing you all soon... (ask a ninja pun not intended) ^^
PRO, I agree with you whole hardedly on the healer calss. I have not played WAR and was looking at going to be a tank or blaster, know I am looking at going Zeal. From what I have read not many people are healers in WAR and that will make my job that much more important.
I was thinking of creating a Healer only guild so everyone knows when we get on the battlefield that we will do our job and not try to be something that we are not.
I pretty much had the same experience the OP did. That is why my main is going to be a zealot come release.
But tbh, theres a huge group of new players who don't really understand the importance of healing %90 of the time and dpsing %10 of the time. Hell, if I found a healer that only healed %50 of the time, I wouldn't mind (too much atleast).
Most players just do not know how to play the game well, but that will change.
I also think that many players get it in their head, based on mythic saying that war's healers will be dpsing a lot more then classic healers, that they can just dps the majority of the time and only heal themselves or maybe one other person.
PRO, I agree with you whole hardedly on the healer calss. I have not played WAR and was looking at going to be a tank or blaster, know I am looking at going Zeal. From what I have read not many people are healers in WAR and that will make my job that much more important. I was thinking of creating a Healer only guild so everyone knows when we get on the battlefield that we will do our job and not try to be something that we are not.
Good healers are a rare breed. I am one of them. No class is a mystery to me givin a few hrs . The rest is learned over many years and not just from one game.
There is a lot to heal in scenarios tho... usualy i get around 5k-10k healing done in one scenario... and pre-preview sometimes i wasnt even #1 on healing... i was #2 or #3... and i seen one guy come up with 15k once while my record is around 11k i think...
and also... in scenarios, when i play a healer class and go around actually healing i notice we win... while when i play a dps class we usualy loose... no, prolly it's not ME who's tipping the scale here... but a healer and tank played well in war's pvp make a HUGE difference... trust me on that one...
@OP: If you feel that in an MMO/the groups you're in healing/tanking/support is sub par or not doing it's job, and they're not part of your guild, feel free to ditch your uber dps/solo wtfpwner and start playing a healer/tank/support.
So i play a glass cannon, and have for several months now. One of the constants that I have ran into in scenarios and most open-world RvR events is that most healers simply do not heal. I do not understand why this is really. Warrior Priests (being insanely OP'd right now) seem to just jump into a crowd of 5-6 destro's and tear the place apart. DoKs are far more inclined to dish out pain than throw a heal to a Sorc standing right next to them.
Do these healers not realize they easily land #1 in PQs if you team with a DPS (especially a Sorc or BW with max darkmagic) and healhealheal? Do these healers not realize they get renown and XP in scenarios for healing?
I constantly see myself getting attacked, running back in front of a healer, and instead of healing....he attacks the guy who is pummeling me or simply ignored me. This often leads to death. I understand that healers are meant to do some damage as well, but PLEASE GOD for your own benefit and ours do your freakin job. Heal damn it, heal!
For a Warrior Priest to heal he must have " Righteous Fury " built up. To keep it steadily built up they must use their offensive abilities of course you'd know that if you studied up on the class a little better, anyhow if we don't keep dishing out offense you only get limited heals. Also most of the WarPriest's heals are HoT so if you're being focus fired by enemies they don't help that much. As for overpowered I've never had that much trouble taking them down, and as a WarPriest I've been torn apart by enemies many times.
Edit: just to add and anyone who has experienced DoK feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they work in a similar fashion to what I described above. The only dedicated healers as far as I know are RunePriest and Zealot.
PRO, I agree with you whole hardedly on the healer calss. I have not played WAR and was looking at going to be a tank or blaster, know I am looking at going Zeal. From what I have read not many people are healers in WAR and that will make my job that much more important. I was thinking of creating a Healer only guild so everyone knows when we get on the battlefield that we will do our job and not try to be something that we are not.
Good healers are a rare breed. I am one of them. No class is a mystery to me givin a few hrs . The rest is learned over many years and not just from one game.
Lol so modest....
Anyway back to the original point. A lot of people playing healers probably don't have their interface set up properly yet so find it harder to identify who needs a heal. and also they don't yet intuitively know what spells to use in a particular situation. If OP messes his dps rotation up nobody notices, if a healer doesn't use the right heals at the right time people die and start complaining.
some healers in this game demand that you melee to gain energy to heal , also alot of the healers use hots as heal method so that makes melee and healing so much easier imo,
for exemple the dok has a combat move if the team stay within 10 feets they all get healed but most tanks/melee dont know this they just run everwhere exceptercting the healer to follow them everwhere and try stay and range , let not forget this beta and everyone is learning to play all these classes .
i expect this to change when game goes live , reason is that playing pvp with your guild on voice will a totally different experience .
I will defend the healers though because i tried them all in War so far , most of these healers are built in a way that you not only heal but also contribute in dps also even if it's not as much as a pure dps class , but were not a background class or /stick to tank class either respect has to go both ways .
i think mythic wanted this also , no such thing as a pure healer in war .
i play runepriest and i heal in RvR i have no question about my role and i knwo what i am doing the wrst thing is when i see other runepriest trying to DPS when an ironbreaker is sitting right infront of them at half health..
OP get a set group....only way to make sure you are good on heals and it works great just wish Order could hold an objective....
Speaking of not doing the job, I was on my WarPriest this evening RvRing in teir 1 when I get double teamed by a Chosen and a Marauder while a Ironbreaker was standing back using axe throw on the Chosen. Does that mean tanks in general don't tank?
Ive played Rune priest and DoK. The big problem with healers are the ones who don't pop a regen after battle. I've run with teams where it seemed like I was the only person popping regens on people after a fight. I see people waiting patiently to attack but their only at half health. Then I see 3 DoKs run by them and get slaughtered.
I see it happening a lot too as a BW, but it honestly doesn't bother me. I've played healers in other games and understand the reasons why some choose to heal and others don't.
The only time a lack of healing peevs me, is when I put myself in harms way to save a healer only to then become the victim of something I could of survived had I been given one heal. If a bright wizard breaks off from max range and runs up to fire cage the Marauder wailing on you (rune priests) and then knocks him down with DoT that functions off of incinerate, AND then uses withering heat to let you further escape...don't freaking abandon the BW as he has pretty much blown all his/her CC saving you.
Eventually after being yelled at enough, these people are going to realize maybe they shouldn't be playing one of the few healer classes if they don't want to heal.
This is been happening since day one of these classes being introduced in beta, trust me it's not going to change.
On a note if you are in the Destruction groups the only true healers are Shamans and Zealots (DoK are hybrids). Warrior Priests are also hybrids and most go the DPS line instead of the healing line (as long as they travel with Rune Priests and Arch Mages they will be uber killers "Overlapping small heals with big heals make them unkilleable").
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How do you turn raid group on in scenario?????
Everytime I joined in and zoned it would have a pop up window showing all of the parties and where u could join. Up by the title there is a square checkmark box. I just checked it and it'd put a group window for that party. I would check the ones that had people and roll. The problem I was finding is u have to do that every time. They haven't set it to remember previous settings yet (besides location that you move the actual bars to). Hope that helps
Edit - Also there is a button on the radar circle after you close the intitial pop up. I think its on the W side.
Agreed. That is one of the major points I made in my long rant a few posts above yours. People think healers are there to help them, but no one wants to help the healers. I already went on a long rant about it tho, so I won't do it again!
Might be kinda shitty but if I have a melee on me and i'm kiting (helps a ton! use line of sight to your advantage, also terrain) I just focus healing myself or other healers. Jumping up and down infront of a tank too and blocking them sometims gets people's attention.
Agreed. That is one of the major points I made in my long rant a few posts above yours. People think healers are there to help them, but no one wants to help the healers. I already went on a long rant about it tho, so I won't do it again!
Yup been there. That's why I don't play healers. To many people want to zerg, expect you to be their personal slave, totally ignore the rest of the group.
Its beta madness.. Just wait till release and see how many healers are in the right hands...
Players that live for RVR and have done it for many years together. Its gonna be the same as in DAoC.
The PUGS will have crap healers and people will be whining alot.
12man gank grps are gonna be so fun!
I run with a guild group, and occasionally attempt to heal folks outside the group... but most people jump around like fish out of water making it rather tough to attempt to save them.
Not only that... but about the 20th or 30th person who's ass I did manage to save who never said thanks... did start to get old. So I mainly stick with just healing my group.
You have a guild? In beta?
The next is not against you:
Are we that far? People take the virtual friendships into release or even from one game to another?
mmh, maybe.
For me it is just "new game = new people, new guild, new enemies". But if there are some people, who see it a bit more... "hardcore" is a nice word.
You can always use it, and people won´t realise the insult. It is like "If you really hate a fat guy, give him something to eat. He even thinks, that he is your friend."
Yep I have a guild in beta, been running my own guild since 1997, small group of us run from game to game to game playing together and having fun. We also add folks every game just like you and others like you who dont stick with the same folks, we also lose members every game of people who stay behind.
Some people play for fun, some people play to escape, others like me play socially with friends.
First off, don't expect a healer to play the way you want him to. Secondly, don't expect people to be good players. If you want to form a group, then you form a group with players that know their role.
If you don't like the way some people play healers, then you need to sign up to be a healer.
I run with a guild group, and occasionally attempt to heal folks outside the group... but most people jump around like fish out of water making it rather tough to attempt to save them.
Not only that... but about the 20th or 30th person who's ass I did manage to save who never said thanks... did start to get old. So I mainly stick with just healing my group.
You have a guild? In beta?
The next is not against you:
Are we that far? People take the virtual friendships into release or even from one game to another?
mmh, maybe.
For me it is just "new game = new people, new guild, new enemies". But if there are some people, who see it a bit more... "hardcore" is a nice word.
You can always use it, and people won´t realise the insult. It is like "If you really hate a fat guy, give him something to eat. He even thinks, that he is your friend."
Yep I have a guild in beta, been running my own guild since 1997, small group of us run from game to game to game playing together and having fun. We also add folks every game just like you and others like you who dont stick with the same folks, we also lose members every game of people who stay behind.
Some people play for fun, some people play to escape, others like me play socially with friends.
I play to win! Fun is when your friends and you are talked about ,hated and feared.
ok... i was about 70% sure about playing a rune priest... after reading this i'm kinda 95% sure i want to play one... i played healers since around 2002 in mmorpgs... not long... but not short either... but i just love doing it.... and when i dont have a heal on a class it doesn't feel right...
Now i've been in a few scenarios before preview... and i didn't try in preview since i was testing some alts and had some RL issues but i'll try soon... point is... i loved the first dwarf scenario... since 99% of what i do is get to a high spot and then hot everyone who is not on 100% and heal everyone who's going critical... i almost never get time to dps... since there's always someone running around with low hp... and you know what? i LOVE to play that way... when i have time, i'll cast a dot... but RPs and Zeals are almost pure healers and should be played like that in a team... scenario, rvr, pq or just plain teaming...
i'm looking forward to healing you all soon... (ask a ninja pun not intended) ^^
PRO, I agree with you whole hardedly on the healer calss. I have not played WAR and was looking at going to be a tank or blaster, know I am looking at going Zeal. From what I have read not many people are healers in WAR and that will make my job that much more important.
I was thinking of creating a Healer only guild so everyone knows when we get on the battlefield that we will do our job and not try to be something that we are not.
I pretty much had the same experience the OP did. That is why my main is going to be a zealot come release.
But tbh, theres a huge group of new players who don't really understand the importance of healing %90 of the time and dpsing %10 of the time. Hell, if I found a healer that only healed %50 of the time, I wouldn't mind (too much atleast).
Most players just do not know how to play the game well, but that will change.
I also think that many players get it in their head, based on mythic saying that war's healers will be dpsing a lot more then classic healers, that they can just dps the majority of the time and only heal themselves or maybe one other person.
Good healers are a rare breed. I am one of them. No class is a mystery to me givin a few hrs . The rest is learned over many years and not just from one game.
There is a lot to heal in scenarios tho... usualy i get around 5k-10k healing done in one scenario... and pre-preview sometimes i wasnt even #1 on healing... i was #2 or #3... and i seen one guy come up with 15k once while my record is around 11k i think...
and also... in scenarios, when i play a healer class and go around actually healing i notice we win... while when i play a dps class we usualy loose... no, prolly it's not ME who's tipping the scale here... but a healer and tank played well in war's pvp make a HUGE difference... trust me on that one...
Not having read any of the replies.
@OP: If you feel that in an MMO/the groups you're in healing/tanking/support is sub par or not doing it's job, and they're not part of your guild, feel free to ditch your uber dps/solo wtfpwner and start playing a healer/tank/support.
For a Warrior Priest to heal he must have " Righteous Fury " built up. To keep it steadily built up they must use their offensive abilities of course you'd know that if you studied up on the class a little better, anyhow if we don't keep dishing out offense you only get limited heals. Also most of the WarPriest's heals are HoT so if you're being focus fired by enemies they don't help that much. As for overpowered I've never had that much trouble taking them down, and as a WarPriest I've been torn apart by enemies many times.
Edit: just to add and anyone who has experienced DoK feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they work in a similar fashion to what I described above. The only dedicated healers as far as I know are RunePriest and Zealot.
Good healers are a rare breed. I am one of them. No class is a mystery to me givin a few hrs . The rest is learned over many years and not just from one game.
Lol so modest....
Anyway back to the original point. A lot of people playing healers probably don't have their interface set up properly yet so find it harder to identify who needs a heal. and also they don't yet intuitively know what spells to use in a particular situation. If OP messes his dps rotation up nobody notices, if a healer doesn't use the right heals at the right time people die and start complaining.
some healers in this game demand that you melee to gain energy to heal , also alot of the healers use hots as heal method so that makes melee and healing so much easier imo,
for exemple the dok has a combat move if the team stay within 10 feets they all get healed but most tanks/melee dont know this they just run everwhere exceptercting the healer to follow them everwhere and try stay and range , let not forget this beta and everyone is learning to play all these classes .
i expect this to change when game goes live , reason is that playing pvp with your guild on voice will a totally different experience .
I will defend the healers though because i tried them all in War so far , most of these healers are built in a way that you not only heal but also contribute in dps also even if it's not as much as a pure dps class , but were not a background class or /stick to tank class either respect has to go both ways .
i think mythic wanted this also , no such thing as a pure healer in war .
I heal like there's no tomorrow but then again I just play healers.
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i play runepriest and i heal in RvR i have no question about my role and i knwo what i am doing the wrst thing is when i see other runepriest trying to DPS when an ironbreaker is sitting right infront of them at half health..
OP get a set group....only way to make sure you are good on heals and it works great just wish Order could hold an objective....
Speaking of not doing the job, I was on my WarPriest this evening RvRing in teir 1 when I get double teamed by a Chosen and a Marauder while a Ironbreaker was standing back using axe throw on the Chosen. Does that mean tanks in general don't tank?
Ive played Rune priest and DoK. The big problem with healers are the ones who don't pop a regen after battle. I've run with teams where it seemed like I was the only person popping regens on people after a fight. I see people waiting patiently to attack but their only at half health. Then I see 3 DoKs run by them and get slaughtered.
I have also seen my fair share of DPs classe
s running head first into 6 dudes.
If you want to be a ranged dps, just accept that you aren't going to be healed as much as you would like in zerg-like rvr.
If you have a big issue with this, be a healer... go archmage or something.
I see it happening a lot too as a BW, but it honestly doesn't bother me. I've played healers in other games and understand the reasons why some choose to heal and others don't.
The only time a lack of healing peevs me, is when I put myself in harms way to save a healer only to then become the victim of something I could of survived had I been given one heal. If a bright wizard breaks off from max range and runs up to fire cage the Marauder wailing on you (rune priests) and then knocks him down with DoT that functions off of incinerate, AND then uses withering heat to let you further escape...don't freaking abandon the BW as he has pretty much blown all his/her CC saving you.
This is been happening since day one of these classes being introduced in beta, trust me it's not going to change.
On a note if you are in the Destruction groups the only true healers are Shamans and Zealots (DoK are hybrids). Warrior Priests are also hybrids and most go the DPS line instead of the healing line (as long as they travel with Rune Priests and Arch Mages they will be uber killers "Overlapping small heals with big heals make them unkilleable").