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STOP SAYING War is ONLY FOR PVP players and not for PVE lovers!

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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 10,029

        Wasn't one of DAoC's biggest weaknesses a lack of good PVE??? From all I have heard the PVE is very weak in WAR also.....It may or may not be true but this is the word alot of us have been hearing.

  • zmortiszmortis Member Posts: 152

    I played WAR in the CE pre-order beta and the preview weekend, and while it is certainly possible to play the game strictly PvE, anyone doing so will likely be disapointed that there isn't more PvE content to the game.  Like the point made in an earlier post, many other games are catering to the PvE crowd in a more content rich way than WAR.  That's not to say the PvE is broken, or unfun.  It is to say that anyone who only plays PvE will be missing the major fun of playing WAR which is the PvP and RvR content.  That is where Mythic has focused their effort, and that is where the fun gameplay really shows it's stuff.  Otherwise, feel free to play just PvE, just don't complain you don't like the game when you refuse to explore it's full potential. 

    I hope this helps.

  • Zayne3145Zayne3145 Member Posts: 1,448

    I think Mythic's masterplan is that they will draw in the PvE crowd with engaging quests and storylines for the first 15 level or so before gradually converting them into bloodthirsty PvP'ers via public quests and the 'WAR is everywhere' atmosphere. At that point, theoretically, no-one will care about PvE as they will be too busy bashing each others heads in and raiding cities.

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  • Bruticus_XIBruticus_XI Member Posts: 827

    For me, WAR offers choice and freedom, since I'm not a hardcore PvP player but neither am I the raider type. I like doing dungeons, but I hate organizing and waiting on and all the other problems associated with 25 people. I like story but I just want enough to have an idea of why I'm fighting, and how the world is set up; this isn't a single-player RPG. That's why I like WAR the most.

    I think WAR will help PvE lovers at LEAST tolerate PvP. They're mixed together so well under the RvR system that it'd be hard not to. Also, the game is ideally set up for the player to do both PvE and PvP, so it's a nice non-agressive way for PvErs to experience PvP.

  • GoldknyghtGoldknyght Member UncommonPosts: 1,519
    Originally posted by medafor


    i see numerous post telling "PVE only" lovers that WAR is NOT THE GAME FOR YOU. Will you guys please stop, here is an interview where the developer talks about how you can go the entire game PVE.
    http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/39378
    now you can be quiet about it and stop making things up. and for the impatient he starts breaking it down at about 1:15 seconds into the video. so be patient and watch it from the beginning. what bothers me is people are giving a false impression/reviews of the game and turning PVE only guys away. stop scaring potential subscribers!



     

    why when its true. Yeah the game has PVE elements because the game wont sell if it doesnt all pvp mmos dont work but to play war without pvping is like playing mortal kombat and u cant fight.

  • TsukieUTsukieU Member Posts: 559
    Originally posted by Hazmal

    Originally posted by cukimunga

    Originally posted by TsukieU


    Sadly, 'I touch myself' is gone. 

     

    Oh man I that sucks, I so wanted that title.  But yeah I like the energy that guy has. It was a great interview and it just made me more excited about the game.   Its nice you can lvl up any way you want. Unlike WoW's PvP that gives you honor and WSG Marks and what-not to buy gear.  



     

    Don't bank on being able to level without doing PvE quests; RvR experience is laughable.  You will spend a lot more time in a certain tier if you try to just RvR (scenarios and world RvR) than you would if you quested and did RvR.  I'm not saying you can't do it, just that it will take a considerably longer if you go that route.

     

    Actually, it's very possible.  Heck I leveled a Preview weekend Sorceress from 1-12 on RVR alone, and did so in only a couple days.  She was even RR11 by the end of it too.  So it's not only possible, it's pretty easy too.

    Mne eto nado kak zuby v zadnitse.

  • HazmalHazmal Member CommonPosts: 1,013
    Originally posted by TsukieU

    Originally posted by Hazmal


    Don't bank on being able to level without doing PvE quests; RvR experience is laughable.  You will spend a lot more time in a certain tier if you try to just RvR (scenarios and world RvR) than you would if you quested and did RvR.  I'm not saying you can't do it, just that it will take a considerably longer if you go that route.

     

    Actually, it's very possible.  Heck I leveled a Preview weekend Sorceress from 1-12 on RVR alone, and did so in only a couple days.  She was even RR11 by the end of it too.  So it's not only possible, it's pretty easy too.



     

    1-12 in a weekend?  Takes about 2-3 hours to get there if you quest, not hard just move quest to quest.  I never said it wasn't possible; I said, and you proved for me, that it will take a while longer.

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    Originally posted by javac

    well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8

  • TsukieUTsukieU Member Posts: 559
    Originally posted by Hazmal

    Originally posted by TsukieU

    Originally posted by Hazmal


    Don't bank on being able to level without doing PvE quests; RvR experience is laughable.  You will spend a lot more time in a certain tier if you try to just RvR (scenarios and world RvR) than you would if you quested and did RvR.  I'm not saying you can't do it, just that it will take a considerably longer if you go that route.

     

    Actually, it's very possible.  Heck I leveled a Preview weekend Sorceress from 1-12 on RVR alone, and did so in only a couple days.  She was even RR11 by the end of it too.  So it's not only possible, it's pretty easy too.



     

    1-12 in a weekend?  Takes about 2-3 hours to get there if you quest, not hard just move quest to quest.  I never said it wasn't possible; I said, and you proved for me, that it will take a while longer.

     

    I'm sorry but anyone who is just picking up the game is not going to get to level 12 in 2-3 hours.  Hell even walking from the start zone to the last PQ takes about half an hour.  Besides, who would want to clear an entire tier in a couple hours?  Sounds like a great way to burn yourself out.

    Mne eto nado kak zuby v zadnitse.

  • TeimanTeiman Member Posts: 1,319

    Lets do it again:

    War is ONLY FOR PVP players and not for PVE lovers!

    hehe...

  • Spaceweed10Spaceweed10 Member Posts: 625
    Originally posted by medafor


    i see numerous post telling "PVE only" lovers that WAR is NOT THE GAME FOR YOU. Will you guys please stop, here is an interview where the developer talks about how you can go the entire game PVE.
    http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/39378
    now you can be quiet about it and stop making things up. and for the impatient he starts breaking it down at about 1:15 seconds into the video. so be patient and watch it from the beginning. what bothers me is people are giving a false impression/reviews of the game and turning PVE only guys away. stop scaring potential subscribers!

     

    This game is designed around RVR, and will be played with with that in mind from start to finish.  The 'endgame' begins when you log in.  Any carebears coming for the PvE, I suggest you find something else..

  • HazmalHazmal Member CommonPosts: 1,013
    Originally posted by TsukieU

    Originally posted by Hazmal

    Originally posted by TsukieU

    Originally posted by Hazmal


    Don't bank on being able to level without doing PvE quests; RvR experience is laughable.  You will spend a lot more time in a certain tier if you try to just RvR (scenarios and world RvR) than you would if you quested and did RvR.  I'm not saying you can't do it, just that it will take a considerably longer if you go that route.

     

    Actually, it's very possible.  Heck I leveled a Preview weekend Sorceress from 1-12 on RVR alone, and did so in only a couple days.  She was even RR11 by the end of it too.  So it's not only possible, it's pretty easy too.



     

    1-12 in a weekend?  Takes about 2-3 hours to get there if you quest, not hard just move quest to quest.  I never said it wasn't possible; I said, and you proved for me, that it will take a while longer.

     

    I'm sorry but anyone who is just picking up the game is not going to get to level 12 in 2-3 hours.  Hell even walking from the start zone to the last PQ takes about half an hour.  Besides, who would want to clear an entire tier in a couple hours?  Sounds like a great way to burn yourself out.



     

    Just because you can't doesn't mean other people can't. 

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    Originally posted by javac

    well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8

  • Bruticus_XIBruticus_XI Member Posts: 827
    Originally posted by Hazmal



    Don't bank on being able to level without doing PvE quests; RvR experience is laughable.  You will spend a lot more time in a certain tier if you try to just RvR (scenarios and world RvR) than you would if you quested and did RvR.  I'm not saying you can't do it, just that it will take a considerably longer if you go that route.

    That's because the optimal route is to do both PvE and PvP.

  • SteamRangerSteamRanger Member UncommonPosts: 920
    Originally posted by tuppe99


    Thanks for the video, I think I may try it out after all. Any idea if the game will be downloadable or will you have to buy a box?



     

    Here you go:

    www.direct2drive.com/6/6327/product/Buy-Warhammer-Online:-Age-of-Reckoning-(Pre-Order)-Download

    "Soloists and those who prefer small groups should never have to feel like they''re the ones getting the proverbial table scraps, as it were." - Scott Hartsman, Senior Producer, Everquest II
    "People love groups. Its a fallacy that people want to play solo all the time." - Scott Hartsman, Executive Producer, Rift

  • rmk70rmk70 Member UncommonPosts: 408

    You can buy it off direct2drive.com or in store.

     

    WAR has a lot lined up for Pve including raids, dungeons, Tome of Knowledge, etc.

     

    Will be stuff for exploring, adventuring, grouping, soloing. Mythic is getting it right by focusing a lot on PvP because that allows for endless content mostly propagated by the player base; however, they are still putting a great deal of effort into PvE content so everyone can have a taste of the parts of gaming they like -- PVE content just takes a lot more development power and more time. From my testing I love the PvP and there's plenty of PVE to keep PVE-lovers greatly occupied with lore and content.

     

    Cheers

  • HazmalHazmal Member CommonPosts: 1,013
    Originally posted by Bruticus_XI

    Originally posted by Hazmal



    Don't bank on being able to level without doing PvE quests; RvR experience is laughable.  You will spend a lot more time in a certain tier if you try to just RvR (scenarios and world RvR) than you would if you quested and did RvR.  I'm not saying you can't do it, just that it will take a considerably longer if you go that route.

    That's because the optimal route is to do both PvE and PvP.



     

    That is the point I was attempting to make.  You should try and read the thread before commenting, doesn't take long.

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    Originally posted by javac

    well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8

  • paintchipspaintchips Member UncommonPosts: 107

    I haven't even considered buying this game because it's main focus is PvP, they can dangle all the phat lewt they can at me and I still woulden't play. A game thats being balanced for PvP makes for a very boring PvE game, class and combat wise. 

  • TsukieUTsukieU Member Posts: 559
    Originally posted by Hazmal

    Originally posted by TsukieU

    Originally posted by Hazmal

    Originally posted by TsukieU

    Originally posted by Hazmal


    Don't bank on being able to level without doing PvE quests; RvR experience is laughable.  You will spend a lot more time in a certain tier if you try to just RvR (scenarios and world RvR) than you would if you quested and did RvR.  I'm not saying you can't do it, just that it will take a considerably longer if you go that route.

     

    Actually, it's very possible.  Heck I leveled a Preview weekend Sorceress from 1-12 on RVR alone, and did so in only a couple days.  She was even RR11 by the end of it too.  So it's not only possible, it's pretty easy too.



     

    1-12 in a weekend?  Takes about 2-3 hours to get there if you quest, not hard just move quest to quest.  I never said it wasn't possible; I said, and you proved for me, that it will take a while longer.

     

    I'm sorry but anyone who is just picking up the game is not going to get to level 12 in 2-3 hours.  Hell even walking from the start zone to the last PQ takes about half an hour.  Besides, who would want to clear an entire tier in a couple hours?  Sounds like a great way to burn yourself out.



     

    Just because you can't doesn't mean other people can't. 

     

    I know you are but what am I? 

    Mne eto nado kak zuby v zadnitse.

  • rmk70rmk70 Member UncommonPosts: 408
    Originally posted by paintchips


    I haven't even considered buying this game because it's main focus is PvP, they can dangle all the phat lewt they can at me and I still woulden't play. A game thats being balanced for PvP makes for a very boring PvE game, class and combat wise. 

    your loss. the pve in this game is much more engaging than WoW's; you'll start to see that within the noobie area once you check out the PQ's and some of the more lore oriented quests. the pve is highly developed for a game that puts a lot of focus on pvp. All classes are highly oriented towards PvE and PvP content; mythic was able to strike a very strong balance between the two gameplay forms. if you think otherwise you clearly haven't done much research into the game.

    People who like pve and not pvp are mistaken in thinking WAR isnt offering enough pve content. the reason so much of the info out there is on pvp is because, first, pvp is in fact a big focus, and second, most people are more interested in covering the pvp issues than pve. however, don't confuse the WAR coverage of PvP and think that it means there's not a lot of PvE content. Do your research, try out the beta, and you'll see there is WAY more interesting pve content from your first steps into the game than there is in WoW's early levels or even Vanguard (at least in my view of playing VG to level 30ish). Of course you'll also see a lot more added to the end game content as the game develops over the following months post-release (as you do in all MMORPG's).

  • HazmalHazmal Member CommonPosts: 1,013
    Originally posted by TsukieU


     
    I know you are but what am I? 



     

    Yes, I am crazy because you didn't know what you were talking about.  How eloquent.  Maybe instead of working on ripping off pretentious and paranoid quips from hipster media, you could...forget it.  I get enough warnings as it is.

    Back to work, back to work.

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    Originally posted by javac

    well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8

  • TsukieUTsukieU Member Posts: 559
    Originally posted by Hazmal

    Originally posted by TsukieU


     
    I know you are but what am I? 



     

    Yes, I am crazy because you didn't know what you were talking about.  How eloquent.  Maybe instead of working on ripping off pretentious and paranoid quips from hipster media, you could...forget it.  I get enough warnings as it is.

    Back to work, back to work.

     

    Actually I was just mimicing what you were saying in a more childish manner.  I thought it was a pretty clever juxtaposition myself. 

    Mne eto nado kak zuby v zadnitse.

  • paintchipspaintchips Member UncommonPosts: 107
    Originally posted by rmk70

    Originally posted by paintchips


    I haven't even considered buying this game because it's main focus is PvP, they can dangle all the phat lewt they can at me and I still woulden't play. A game thats being balanced for PvP makes for a very boring PvE game, class and combat wise. 

    your loss. the pve in this game is much more engaging than WoW's; you'll start to see that within the noobie area once you check out the PQ's and some of the more lore oriented quests. the pve is highly developed for a game that puts a lot of focus on pvp. All classes are highly oriented towards PvE and PvP content; mythic was able to strike a very strong balance between the two gameplay forms. if you think otherwise you clearly haven't done much research into the game.

    People who like pve and not pvp are mistaken in thinking WAR isnt offering enough pve content. the reason so much of the info out there is on pvp is because, first, pvp is in fact a big focus, and second, most people are more interested in covering the pvp issues than pve. however, don't confuse the WAR coverage of PvP and think that it means there's not a lot of PvE content. Do your research, try out the beta, and you'll see there is WAY more interesting pve content from your first steps into the game than there is in WoW's early levels or even Vanguard (at least in my view of playing VG to level 30ish). Of course you'll also see a lot more added to the end game content as the game develops over the following months post-release (as you do in all MMORPG's).



     

    It's not just content it's the classes, if you want to see how bad pve can get due to pvp balance look no further than AoC. PvE combat in that game felt right, fluid and most of all fun at the launch 3 month later and it's down right horrible, skills that worked well with pve ended up being over powered in pvp and in the end pve is suffering as a result or rebalancing. I guarantee you that when this game launches the nerfs will start and they will hit hard, afterall this game is aimed mostly at the PvPers it's inevitable that PvE class balance will suffer in favour of PvP balance.

  • HazmalHazmal Member CommonPosts: 1,013
    Originally posted by paintchips


     
    It's not just content it's the classes, if you want to see how bad pve can get due to pvp balance look no further than AoC. PvE combat in that game felt right, fluid and most of all fun at the launch 3 month later and it's down right horrible, skills that worked well with pve ended up being over powered in pvp and in the end pve is suffering as a result or rebalancing. I guarantee you that when this game launches the nerfs will start and they will hit hard, afterall this game is aimed mostly at the PvPers it's inevitable that PvE class balance will suffer in favour of PvP balance.

    Unless something has changed, which it very well could have, Mythic stated that the PvE content is what is changed to suit the player classes and their abilities.  So as long as the classes are balanced against each other, in respect to their mirrored classes, the PvE content wouldn't be something to worry about.  Helpful or did I miss your point?

     

    edited - too much quoting.

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    Originally posted by javac

    well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8

  • faefrostfaefrost Member Posts: 199
    Originally posted by zmortis


    I played WAR in the CE pre-order beta and the preview weekend, and while it is certainly possible to play the game strictly PvE, anyone doing so will likely be disapointed that there isn't more PvE content to the game.  Like the point made in an earlier post, many other games are catering to the PvE crowd in a more content rich way than WAR.  That's not to say the PvE is broken, or unfun.  It is to say that anyone who only plays PvE will be missing the major fun of playing WAR which is the PvP and RvR content.  That is where Mythic has focused their effort, and that is where the fun gameplay really shows it's stuff.  Otherwise, feel free to play just PvE, just don't complain you don't like the game when you refuse to explore it's full potential. 
    I hope this helps.



     

    QFT

    WAR doesn't have bad PvE. In fact it has a few really neat new things. Namely PQ's. But PvE players will be extremely disapointed. There just isn't a strong replayabilty factor in WAR's PvE. Do it once and never want to see it again.

    What it coems down to is this. WAR's PVE is decent, even fun for a few days or weeks. But it is a far cry from the shear size and magnitude of WoW's or EQ2's. PVE oriented players used to that experience will be very disapointed with WAR, unless they quickly develop a taste for RvR.

  • HazmalHazmal Member CommonPosts: 1,013
    Originally posted by TsukieU

    Originally posted by Hazmal

    Originally posted by TsukieU


     
    I know you are but what am I? 



     

    Yes, I am crazy because you didn't know what you were talking about.  How eloquent.  Maybe instead of working on ripping off pretentious and paranoid quips from hipster media, you could...forget it.  I get enough warnings as it is.

    Back to work, back to work.

     

    Actually I was just mimicing what you were saying in a more childish manner.  I thought it was a pretty clever juxtaposition myself. 

    When will people learn...dictionary.com doesn't mean you'll understand how to use the word in a sentence...much less as a literary device. 

    Stick a fork in me, I'm done.

     

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    Originally posted by javac

    well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8

  • SentimeSentime Member UncommonPosts: 270
    Originally posted by jwshaw88


    After my experiences in Warhammer, i can firmly say they've done a great job of integrating enough pve into the game to satisfy those who want it, but the game is heavily pvp "oriented".  That doesn't mean we don't want you pve guys around, we actually like the idea of converting and corrupting you to the dark side of pvp :D

     

    PvE is the dark side. 

    PvE is bad, I had some minor doubts about it till I heard people were killing Hero mobs solo by circle strafing them to avoid all their hits.  F- programming there.

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