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Darkfall is a curious combination of no to little information, coupled with an unknown developing team and a HUGE promise.
If they hadn't promised all the features they did, people might not be as untrusting. If they hadn't boasted of how their game will be bigger, better, faster, and avbove all innovative than all others, people might believe them a little more.
As it is, they promised the MMO Dream come true, with no risks involved, free to test, no strings attached. All the while providing no proof that they actually have a game with all those features they promised (even though it's supposed to be feature complete for a while now).Is it really that difficult to see why people could be skeptical?
I hear alot about these huge promises and yet when I read the featurelist, I seem to find no features that haven't been done before in one way or another. Could you be bothered making a list ?
I don't see why ppl should be so sceptical because you as a customer will be (or should be) able to test the features before any cash is exchanged. Most hoaxes are aimed at getting cash, not crushing MMO dreams.
There was at some point, a list of all the promises Darkfall has made. And it's not -one- feature that stands out, it's the combination of all of them. Let's see. I'll list a few from the top of my head.
1.) Largest world in any MMO Currently out or in Production (Twice as large)
2.) At the same time, seamless world with NO Loadingscreens whatsoever. All of it handcrafted in all detail.
3.) Advanced AI that will make Monsters have their own "societies" Player actions will have effect on the creatures ecology (making it possible to actually eradicate certain creatures from an area).
4.) Ship combat with fully walkable ships, each crewmember manning guns and whatnot.
5.) Mounts that are not just mounts but companions with their own AI.
6.) Intuitive Skillsystem with 500 Unique skills and 500 Spells at launch alone.
7.) Crafting System that will put others to shame, with -EVERY- item in the world being craftable.
8.) FPS Style Massive Combat with 200 people on screen while still getting 60+ FPS from an average computer with 200+FPS during normal loads.
9.) 10000+ players on one server, in ONE world, no zones, no nothing.
10.) Chatsystem that will even allow you to access chat from your Cel-Phone.
So...that's just the things I can think of in a jiffy. Alone, by itself, each feature might not be so hugely surprising. Add them all together in ONE game...it sounds rather too good to be true.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
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Darkfall is a curious combination of no to little information, coupled with an unknown developing team and a HUGE promise.
If they hadn't promised all the features they did, people might not be as untrusting. If they hadn't boasted of how their game will be bigger, better, faster, and avbove all innovative than all others, people might believe them a little more.
As it is, they promised the MMO Dream come true, with no risks involved, free to test, no strings attached. All the while providing no proof that they actually have a game with all those features they promised (even though it's supposed to be feature complete for a while now).Is it really that difficult to see why people could be skeptical?
I hear alot about these huge promises and yet when I read the featurelist, I seem to find no features that haven't been done before in one way or another. Could you be bothered making a list ?
I don't see why ppl should be so sceptical because you as a customer will be (or should be) able to test the features before any cash is exchanged. Most hoaxes are aimed at getting cash, not crushing MMO dreams.
There was at some point, a list of all the promises Darkfall has made. And it's not -one- feature that stands out, it's the combination of all of them. Let's see. I'll list a few from the top of my head.
1.) Largest world in any MMO Currently out or in Production (Twice as large)
2.) At the same time, seamless world with NO Loadingscreens whatsoever. All of it handcrafted in all detail.
3.) Advanced AI that will make Monsters have their own "societies" Player actions will have effect on the creatures ecology (making it possible to actually eradicate certain creatures from an area).
4.) Ship combat with fully walkable ships, each crewmember manning guns and whatnot.
5.) Mounts that are not just mounts but companions with their own AI.
6.) Intuitive Skillsystem with 500 Unique skills and 500 Spells at launch alone.
7.) Crafting System that will put others to shame, with -EVERY- item in the world being craftable.
8.) FPS Style Massive Combat with 200 people on screen while still getting 60+ FPS from an average computer with 200+FPS during normal loads.
9.) 10000+ players on one server, in ONE world, no zones, no nothing.
10.) Chatsystem that will even allow you to access chat from your Cel-Phone.
So...that's just the things I can think of in a jiffy. Alone, by itself, each feature might not be so hugely surprising. Add them all together in ONE game...it sounds rather too good to be true.
Aye it will be a amazing game.
Thanks for putting the main features easily wieable like that.
Its good advertising for Darkfall, cheers.
Yeah...if it ever realeases with all those features in it, it will be an excellent game (provided it will also run as great as they promise us). I think nobody would ever argue that.
The question here is the possibility of the game releasing with all they have promised. And in my eyes, that possibility is very...very low.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Look someone made a funny.
I think even Blizzard Entertainment would run at full speed away from attempting something like this.
It would literally cost like 50 million dollars to develop something like this from scratch with at least a 150 man team working for many many years.
P.S - you forgot to include the hundreds of dungeons and hundreds of quests.
Darkfall is a pipe dream. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a lunatic.
Oh my. Age of Conan is a hoax huh?
As you continue to wait and wait and wait for something called 'Darkfall'.
Irony at it's best.
AoC is a hoax... oh my.
It was a hoax as in they did not deliever what they promoted.... Its that simple.... AoC is a shell of what they told everyone it was, it was not even close to what was hyped.
AoC = Failure and should not have launched.
So.... By your way of thinking.
If Darkfall doesn't deliver EVERY single feature they promise, (and they promise the HOLY GRAIL of features), then Darkfall will be a hoax also?
Because... If you've read the feature list that Darkfall has promised, you might as well start calling Darkfall a hoax. I'm serious.
Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't call Darkfall a hoax if there were some missing features BUT... You would have to, based on your statement above.
Yeah...if it ever realeases with all those features in it, it will be an excellent game (provided it will also run as great as they promise us). I think nobody would ever argue that.
The question here is the possibility of the game releasing with all they have promised. And in my eyes, that possibility is very...very low.
Trying to use logical thought doesn't work so good here. Good try though. But you're never going to get through to him.
Yeah...if it ever realeases with all those features in it, it will be an excellent game (provided it will also run as great as they promise us). I think nobody would ever argue that.
The question here is the possibility of the game releasing with all they have promised. And in my eyes, that possibility is very...very low.
Trying to use logical thought doesn't work so good here. Good try though. But you're never going to get through to him.
I know...I keep trying though.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
I dont get this?
Who decides whats difficult to develop? Some say DF features are "Utterly ridiculus". But some company have to do it. We know its not impossible, we know MMOs get less and less features for every year that passes....but computer power are doubled almost every year. Isnt that something that should be called "Utterly ridiculus"? Or is it ok maybe?
Some dont want to see forward, what we can do today. Blizzard and Funcom refuses to make anything complex, and every other MMO developer must follow that!
Its a very lame excuse for you to not demand more from the todays developers! Because noone else does it! Very lame.
You're not being serious right? Who decides what's difficult to develop? We know it's not impossible? How do we know it's not impossible? How do -you- know that? Do you have some sort of insight that the rest of us doesn't have?
Please. Just try to think of it logically. The more features you want to have, the more difficult it becomes. Yet, DF promises -all- while being a company that has no MMO publishing/developing experience, very little funding and a comparatively small Dev team. Do the math.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
AoC = Epic Failure
Darkfall = Epic Vaporware
Oh my. Age of Conan is a hoax huh?
As you continue to wait and wait and wait for something called 'Darkfall'.
Irony at it's best.
AoC is a hoax... oh my.
It was a hoax as in they did not deliever what they promoted.... Its that simple.... AoC is a shell of what they told everyone it was, it was not even close to what was hyped.
AoC = Failure and should not have launched.
Tdog....
Here is a post YOU made on the AOC forums 5/19/2008. You appeared to apologize to the AOC community and PRAISED the game.
Have a good read.
I bashed AoC bashed on videos and beta leaks. I said if I was wrong I would make a post saying so.
Here you go fanbois. I am sorry, I was wrong. AoC is a great game with some minor flaws.
I am enjoying my EA. My Necromancer is powering alive.
See I am man enough to admit when I am wrong.
Sorry, I didn't know how to copy a link to the actual post. Personally, I praise you for being a man of your word. And... I'm NOT a fan of AOC. Didn't renew after my free month.
But... Just wanted to point out that maybe AOC wasn't really all that bad.... Not really.
There was at some point, a list of all the promises Darkfall has made. And it's not -one- feature that stands out, it's the combination of all of them. Let's see. I'll list a few from the top of my head.
1.) Largest world in any MMO Currently out or in Production (Twice as large)
2.) At the same time, seamless world with NO Loadingscreens whatsoever. All of it handcrafted in all detail.
3.) Advanced AI that will make Monsters have their own "societies" Player actions will have effect on the creatures ecology (making it possible to actually eradicate certain creatures from an area).
4.) Ship combat with fully walkable ships, each crewmember manning guns and whatnot.
5.) Mounts that are not just mounts but companions with their own AI.
6.) Intuitive Skillsystem with 500 Unique skills and 500 Spells at launch alone.
7.) Crafting System that will put others to shame, with -EVERY- item in the world being craftable.
8.) FPS Style Massive Combat with 200 people on screen while still getting 60+ FPS from an average computer with 200+FPS during normal loads.
9.) 10000+ players on one server, in ONE world, no zones, no nothing.
10.) Chatsystem that will even allow you to access chat from your Cel-Phone.
So...that's just the things I can think of in a jiffy. Alone, by itself, each feature might not be so hugely surprising. Add them all together in ONE game...it sounds rather too good to be true.
I have looked through the feature list (http://www.darkfallonline.com/features/) and your list. By looking on both of them, I don't see ONE feature that isn't plausible to implement with the technology today. You admitted as much yourself. Some of them is infact implemented in other games already. So what is the big deal ? The features is plausible and you will be able to test them all in trial before you pay a cent.
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And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE
Oh my. Age of Conan is a hoax huh?
As you continue to wait and wait and wait for something called 'Darkfall'.
Irony at it's best.
AoC is a hoax... oh my.
It was a hoax as in they did not deliever what they promoted.... Its that simple.... AoC is a shell of what they told everyone it was, it was not even close to what was hyped.
AoC = Failure and should not have launched.
So.... By your way of thinking.
If Darkfall doesn't deliver EVERY single feature they promise, (and they promise the HOLY GRAIL of features), then Darkfall will be a hoax also?
Because... If you've read the feature list that Darkfall has promised, you might as well start calling Darkfall a hoax. I'm serious.
Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't call Darkfall a hoax if there were some missing features BUT... You would have to, based on your statement above.
Missing features is just a little part of the scam.
The big issue is that they sold pre orders on promises they not in a longshot could back. Thet scammed there potential playerbase and is now paying the price for it.
Darkfall will not sell pre orders and will let you test the game before you make a decision if its a game for you. A big, big, big difference in how they treat their future playerbase.
There was at some point, a list of all the promises Darkfall has made. And it's not -one- feature that stands out, it's the combination of all of them. Let's see. I'll list a few from the top of my head.
1.) Largest world in any MMO Currently out or in Production (Twice as large)
2.) At the same time, seamless world with NO Loadingscreens whatsoever. All of it handcrafted in all detail.
3.) Advanced AI that will make Monsters have their own "societies" Player actions will have effect on the creatures ecology (making it possible to actually eradicate certain creatures from an area).
4.) Ship combat with fully walkable ships, each crewmember manning guns and whatnot.
5.) Mounts that are not just mounts but companions with their own AI.
6.) Intuitive Skillsystem with 500 Unique skills and 500 Spells at launch alone.
7.) Crafting System that will put others to shame, with -EVERY- item in the world being craftable.
8.) FPS Style Massive Combat with 200 people on screen while still getting 60+ FPS from an average computer with 200+FPS during normal loads.
9.) 10000+ players on one server, in ONE world, no zones, no nothing.
10.) Chatsystem that will even allow you to access chat from your Cel-Phone.
So...that's just the things I can think of in a jiffy. Alone, by itself, each feature might not be so hugely surprising. Add them all together in ONE game...it sounds rather too good to be true.
I have looked through the feature list (http://www.darkfallonline.com/features/) and your list. By looking on both of them, I don't see ONE feature that isn't plausible to implement with the technology today. You admitted as much yourself. Some of them is infact implemented in other games already. So what is the big deal ? The features is plausible and you will be able to test them all in trial before you pay a cent.
I give up. Yes...any -ONE- of these features may be plausible. Even two or three.
But combining them ALL in ONE game and making them better than they are in other games. THAT'S what is a little unbelievable.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
I give up. Yes...any -ONE- of these features may be plausible. Even two or three.
But combining them ALL in ONE game and making them better than they are in other games. THAT'S what is a little unbelievable.
The thing is, if you lie about features and then let your customers test it for free, they will never buy your product. Faith and belief never enter the picture. See ?
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And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE
I give up. Yes...any -ONE- of these features may be plausible. Even two or three.
But combining them ALL in ONE game and making them better than they are in other games. THAT'S what is a little unbelievable.
The thing is, if you lie about features and then let your customers test it for free, they will never buy your product. Faith and belief never enter the picture. See ?
Yes it does. Some here believe Darkfall will come out as it is promised. Some don#t. That's what this whole discussion is about.
I personally think Darkfall will release, but with a cut-down feature list.
No, no one will get hurt, but that's beside the point, isn't it? A lot of people here want to convince me and others that Darkfall will be the killer game and will release as Tasos promised it. That is faith and belief...and nothing more.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
There was at some point, a list of all the promises Darkfall has made. And it's not -one- feature that stands out, it's the combination of all of them. Let's see. I'll list a few from the top of my head.
1.) Largest world in any MMO Currently out or in Production (Twice as large)
2.) At the same time, seamless world with NO Loadingscreens whatsoever. All of it handcrafted in all detail.
3.) Advanced AI that will make Monsters have their own "societies" Player actions will have effect on the creatures ecology (making it possible to actually eradicate certain creatures from an area).
4.) Ship combat with fully walkable ships, each crewmember manning guns and whatnot.
5.) Mounts that are not just mounts but companions with their own AI.
6.) Intuitive Skillsystem with 500 Unique skills and 500 Spells at launch alone.
7.) Crafting System that will put others to shame, with -EVERY- item in the world being craftable.
8.) FPS Style Massive Combat with 200 people on screen while still getting 60+ FPS from an average computer with 200+FPS during normal loads.
9.) 10000+ players on one server, in ONE world, no zones, no nothing.
10.) Chatsystem that will even allow you to access chat from your Cel-Phone.
So...that's just the things I can think of in a jiffy. Alone, by itself, each feature might not be so hugely surprising. Add them all together in ONE game...it sounds rather too good to be true.
I have looked through the feature list (http://www.darkfallonline.com/features/) and your list. By looking on both of them, I don't see ONE feature that isn't plausible to implement with the technology today. You admitted as much yourself. Some of them is infact implemented in other games already. So what is the big deal ? The features is plausible and you will be able to test them all in trial before you pay a cent.
I give up. Yes...any -ONE- of these features may be plausible. Even two or three.
But combining them ALL in ONE game and making them better than they are in other games. THAT'S what is a little unbelievable.
Who did ever say they is implemented better then in other games? That is to be seen.
I dont think Darkfall will be a flawless game.
Of course it will have issues like all other large MMORPG games. But i do believe it will be a very polished game and all features together in that sandbox world will make it a game for me and my friends to play.
I give up. Yes...any -ONE- of these features may be plausible. Even two or three.
But combining them ALL in ONE game and making them better than they are in other games. THAT'S what is a little unbelievable.
The thing is, if you lie about features and then let your customers test it for free, they will never buy your product. Faith and belief never enter the picture. See ?
Yes it does. Some here believe Darkfall will come out as it is promised. Some don#t. That's what this whole discussion is about.
I personally think Darkfall will release, but with a cut-down feature list.
No, no one will get hurt, but that's beside the point, isn't it? A lot of people here want to convince me and others that Darkfall will be the killer game and will release as Tasos promised it. That is faith and belief...and nothing more.
Since game will be availabe to try out before you decide its a game for you there is neither faith nor belief involved in the decision process.
You will play the game before you make up your mind its a game for you. Its cold facts on your PC-screen that either put you off or make you love the game. After that you decide if you wanna pay for it and subscribe.
Wether its feature complete or not will be relieved when you try the game out and before you decide on buying it or not.
Before we tried the game out many live on faith and belief but when it comes to pay for the game it will be cold facts that make the decision for you.
You will know what you buy when you decide to buy Darkfall.
The thing is, if you lie about features and then let your customers test it for free, they will never buy your product. Faith and belief never enter the picture. See ?
Yes it does. Some here believe Darkfall will come out as it is promised. Some don#t. That's what this whole discussion is about.
I personally think Darkfall will release, but with a cut-down feature list.
No, no one will get hurt, but that's beside the point, isn't it? A lot of people here want to convince me and others that Darkfall will be the killer game and will release as Tasos promised it. That is faith and belief...and nothing more.
If you look though the threads, most of the FANBOIS guild never claimed DF will be a killergame with a lot of subs. I for one reserve my judgement until after I have tested the game. I have a trust but verify philosophy. Still, DF is going to be a skillbased, sandbox game. There are very few alternatives on the marked and I am not seeing how crying VW and unbeliveable is going to help the devs in their efforts to reach that goal.
I for one respect the fact that 10-12 norwegians for rooted up and moved to another country to fullfill their dream. How many of us can claim we would have done the same ?
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And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE
You can leave these forums now and try not to trip over your lip on the way out. How mardy can some people get? If you don't like what the fanbois are saying simply don't log into a forum based on Darkfall - enough said.
Stop feeding the trolls!!! OP is a troll and so is GMNY etc...you are never going to convince them. just stop.
Even when you give them good arguments, they just completely ignore it and attack your grammar or something.
Yes use the forums and help promote the game and help people who have a legit interest in learning more about it.
However you are never going to convince someone who calls us fanbois for following darkfall...when OP defends AoC for not being a hoax in anyway. yes it released and wasnt a big hoax in the sense that it was a fake game. it was clearly a hoax that it lied to its customers to get initial money. THAT IS A FACT. There is no arguement about it. AoC promised features, even showed the features to us (or so we thought), and they are still not in the game way after release.
I love when people get on our case about listening and following a "liar" when talking about Darkfall. Yet they play AoC...lol talk about irony.
Is darkfall a hoax? sure it is a possibility. a likelihood? of course not. Follow the game, have fun with it, and you know we will see these guys in game
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I still haven't got an answer from any of the many Darkfall fans who have constantly slammed Age of Conan for being a hoax and for being a piece of trash.
Again, here are some of the first reviews found on a google search for an Age of Conan review....
http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3168169 RATING: B
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/35407.html?r=1 RATING 85%
http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/35908 RATING 4 out of 5
http://pc.ign.com/articles/880/880717p3.html RATING 78%
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/ageofconanhyborianadventures/review.html
RATING 85%
So all of you who say that Age of Conan is a hoax, trash, unplayable etc etc please explain all the good/great reviews it has gotten from MAJOR websites across the internet, unlike Darkfalls only claims to fame such as websites nobody has ever heard of by reviewers nobody has also never heard of.
It's just so ironic that as you wait year after year for Darkfall, you actually have the nerve to call other successful mmo games a "hoax" lmao. Yes, we know that it didn't launch with every feature, however to call it a hoax is ridiculous. To call it a horrid game is obviously an opinion in the minority, especially when looking at reviews of the game all over the web.
In direct response to your last post Orginalegg... I don't need to resort to name calling. But what I'd like to ask you is since you want to call Age of Conan a "hoax" simply because it didn't launch with every feature working at launch, if EVERY feature doesn't work flawlessly that is promised from Darkfall, then it will also certainly too be a Hoax, right??
Or, hell... we don't even need to go there and talk about the launch of Darkfall and consider missing features to categorize it into the "hoax" category. Let's just wait until the end of 2008, which Darkfall has promised to release by, and if it isn't in our hands by then, then I think we can safely agree that Darkfall is much more of a hoax then Age of Conan is. ...Better to launch, run smooth (on computers with atleast min specs mind you), and be a playable game then you promise launch and beta over and over and over and fail to deliver on any promise year after year after year. But you keep on calling Age of Conan the "hoax" and making yourself look ohhhh, so very intelligent.
You're not being serious right? Who decides what's difficult to develop? We know it's not impossible? How do we know it's not impossible? How do -you- know that? Do you have some sort of insight that the rest of us doesn't have?
Please. Just try to think of it logically. The more features you want to have, the more difficult it becomes. Yet, DF promises -all- while being a company that has no MMO publishing/developing experience, very little funding and a comparatively small Dev team. Do the math.
We know the managed to make UO, Meridian 59 back in 1994-1997. We have also seen WWII Online and Pre CU SWG.
So we KNOW there is many features they wont use anymore today. And its not because its impossible, its because they just dont want to.
I did even reed its "impossible" to have doors opening and closing for players in WoW. Still they have that in SWG five years ago.
And i know you also know its no big deal for all those DF features to end up in any MMO today. So the really sad part is that im serious.
Sp please dont try and spread that bullshit about MMOs have not degenerated for the last three years instead of expanding (that is to all not wanting more from MMOs). The real question is how can you coop with the knowledge that MMOs were alot more bigger, better, complex, challencing and didnt treat their customers as small children. I saw yesterday that had a "new" LFG featurte in WoW! Great, they dont even think we can get a group now" And God forbit to have to speak with other players in a MMO. You maybe think thats a good thing?
Utterly Ridiculus.
So now the devs of Darkfall somehow get credit because UO and Meridian 59 were released back in the 90s?
UO and Meridian 59 actually launched. Until Darkfall actually launches, then it gets ZERO CREDIT for anything other then perhaps breaking promises.
- Zaxx
So now the devs of Darkfall somehow get credit because UO and Meridian 59 were released back in the 90s?
UO and Meridian 59 actually launched. Until Darkfall actually launches, then it gets ZERO CREDIT for anything other then perhaps breaking promises.
- Zaxx
Credit ? What are you talking about ? The features is supported by todays technology, they are even implemented in other games. No one outside Aventurine circle of trust can say anything about them having the capability to pull it off. That said, you'll be in the game testing the features with the rest of us without any financial risk.
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And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE