As much as I hate to say it, we will never find PvP like we had in UO because that generation of gamers has passed. The new generation is all about smack talking and griefing. PvP is no longer about meaningful and honorable fights, but instead about who's got the bigger epeen, corpse camping, and zerging. This is why open PvP/looting games don't find much success. People just don't enjoy all the garbage that comes with it. I, too, was in love with UO in it's glory days. Sure I had my fair share of being killed, probably more than my fair share actually since I'm not an amazing PvPer. Still, it was fun and, once upon a time, you could usually count on the person who killed you also rezzing you and leaving something on your corpse. It just won't happen anymore. Today's gamers are generally too immature and too full of themselves to consider playing the way we did back then. There are, of course, still some like you and I who still have the honor and decency to not get a kick out of doing things just to ruin someone's day, but we really are the rare finds anymore.
As much as I hate to say it, we will never find PvP like we had in UO because that generation of gamers has passed. The new generation is all about smack talking and griefing. PvP is no longer about meaningful and honorable fights, but instead about who's got the bigger epeen, corpse camping, and zerging. This is why open PvP/looting games don't find much success. People just don't enjoy all the garbage that comes with it. I, too, was in love with UO in it's glory days. Sure I had my fair share of being killed, probably more than my fair share actually since I'm not an amazing PvPer. Still, it was fun and, once upon a time, you could usually count on the person who killed you also rezzing you and leaving something on your corpse. It just won't happen anymore. Today's gamers are generally too immature and too full of themselves to consider playing the way we did back then. There are, of course, still some like you and I who still have the honor and decency to not get a kick out of doing things just to ruin someone's day, but we really are the rare finds anymore.
Pretty much nailed it.
Yes Yes and yes! I am afraid that those days of respectful PVP are gone forever..............The are no longer Servers/Games that police themselves for PVP anymore like in the good old days of UO.
Its worse to actually think about doing something then actually doing it!!!
Nice writeup up by another delusional fanboy. And look at all the other delusional fanboys getting all excited over words and giving each other high fives. Fucken HILARIOUS. This post is ignorant deluded blind faith garbage at it's best. Just because you may have put alot of work into something DOES NOT mean it will succeed. Welcome to the real world and reality. The delusion ends here.
hahaha, anger management is not the strongest side here I see
Today's Darkfall trolls were once Darkfall fanboys who for various reasons (mainly immaturity and naivety) got sick of waiting for Darkfall and became bitter and resentful towards it.
I figured I would touch on this subject. First, as I have said several time already - there are trolls. But many that post here regularly, and have something more to say than a one line insult, are not trolls. They are skeptics. Why are they skeptical? Is it immaturity or because they are naive? Quite the opposite.
They have experience. Maybe some of you have forgotten Mourning, Dark and Light, Shadowbane, WWIIOL, and Roma Victor - to name a few. We have seen games from indie devs, we have heard all of the promises before, and we have played the games.
Feature lists are often not worth the virtual paper they are printed on. Why isnt Roma Victor flooded with players that are waiting for DF? The RV feature list is smoking hot and very similar to DF. I will tell you why - the implementation isnt very good.
So, until DF can show the world that their GAME is as good as the feature list, many remain skeptical. All of the milestones and internal deadlines that have been missed over the course of YEARS do not help. And the reluctance to show the game to any press - for a game that has a PR strategy of letting the game speak for itself - blows my mind. If they speak the truth about the current state of their game, it should be out there doing the PR for them right now. Instead, we are waiting for a damn video that was announced 3 months ago.
Patience is a virtue. Gullibility is a vice. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A penny saved is a penny earned. Early to bed...OK, enough.
As much as I hate to say it, we will never find PvP like we had in UO because that generation of gamers has passed. The new generation is all about smack talking and griefing. PvP is no longer about meaningful and honorable fights, but instead about who's got the bigger epeen, corpse camping, and zerging. This is why open PvP/looting games don't find much success. People just don't enjoy all the garbage that comes with it. I, too, was in love with UO in it's glory days. Sure I had my fair share of being killed, probably more than my fair share actually since I'm not an amazing PvPer. Still, it was fun and, once upon a time, you could usually count on the person who killed you also rezzing you and leaving something on your corpse. It just won't happen anymore. Today's gamers are generally too immature and too full of themselves to consider playing the way we did back then. There are, of course, still some like you and I who still have the honor and decency to not get a kick out of doing things just to ruin someone's day, but we really are the rare finds anymore.
Pretty much nailed it.
And no one believes me when I tell them stuff like that about UO. There were plenty of occassions were I would be out in the wild. Not paying attention, and someone would come up, and just killed my PC. Funny thing is they would rez, me and then go on about their business.
PvP has been on it's last leg since UO. PvP has always appealed to the lowest common donominator since then. I personally have nothing against alot of the guilds and pvp'ers I've met since then. I just find myself wondering where all the maturity went. Anyone that played Shadowbane with any of the biggers guilds like LoD, ST, LSoD, etc. Would be asking yourself the same question.
In War - Victory. In Peace - Vigilance. In Death - Sacrifice.
Today's Darkfall trolls were once Darkfall fanboys who for various reasons (mainly immaturity and naivety) got sick of waiting for Darkfall and became bitter and resentful towards it.
I figured I would touch on this subject. First, as I have said several time already - there are trolls. But many that post here regularly, and have something more to say than a one line insult, are not trolls. They are skeptics. Why are they skeptical? Is it immaturity or because they are naive? Quite the opposite.
They have experience. Maybe some of you have forgotten Mourning, Dark and Light, Shadowbane, WWIIOL, and Roma Victor - to name a few. We have seen games from indie devs, we have heard all of the promises before, and we have played the games.
Feature lists are often not worth the virtual paper they are printed on. Why isnt Roma Victor flooded with players that are waiting for DF? The RV feature list is smoking hot and very similar to DF. I will tell you why - the implementation isnt very good.
So, until DF can show the world that their GAME is as good as the feature list, many remain skeptical. All of the milestones and internal deadlines that have been missed over the course of YEARS do not help. And the reluctance to show the game to any press - for a game that has a PR strategy of letting the game speak for itself - blows my mind. If they speak the truth about the current state of their game, it should be out there doing the PR for them right now. Instead, we are waiting for a damn video that was announced 3 months ago.
Patience is a virtue. Gullibility is a vice. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A penny saved is a penny earned. Early to bed...OK, enough.
nothing wrong with skepticism... at all. but when skepticism becomes irrational - that's a troll.
I love them.. 99% of them continue to troll the internet. They dont know a thing about the industry and what it takes. Just ignorantly going from porn sites to forums.
Gotta love em.
It don't matter if they're laughing with you or at you, so long as they're laughing.
Most MMO's now rely upon grinding for gear as the proverbial carrot in front of the donkey. We the gamers are the donkey. When someone grinds for weeks or months to acquire an item or an item set they are going to be royally pissed when they lose that item, especially if it is in a manner they deem cowardly or unfair. So it is simple [gear grinding] + [full loot PvP] = [Griefing] I say we do away with gear grinding and go at it, personally. I don't want to spend 8 hours or more in one stupid instance trying to get [Jehova's Necklace of Witnessing +++++Everything] anyway. I play a game for fun, not a false sense of accomplishment.
I suggest partial looting or maybe allow each player to bind one item to their character that cannot be looted. If you want to have godly gear... but personally I think having godly gear or two hundred levels for a character is the wrong way to go anyway. Throw in some character aging and item degradation for me also!
Besides.. Congress is thinking about taxing virtual economies anyway and I for one, don't want to give them more ammunition.
Here it is folks. Basically 99% of the DF haters are the same..
There are use to the Uber Sword Of Serverlag.. That takes them and 39 other dudes 6 monthes of 14 hour raids daily, to aquire.
They cannot grasp anything else.. Its so so simple.. They havent played anything else. lol.
They dont get that games can be non gear centric.. What do you do then? They wonder.
I cant save them all, sad to say. But its a good reason for many to grab onto the liferaft that is Darkfall.
It don't matter if they're laughing with you or at you, so long as they're laughing.
Most MMO's now rely upon grinding for gear as the proverbial carrot in front of the donkey. We the gamers are the donkey. When someone grinds for weeks or months to acquire an item or an item set they are going to be royally pissed when they lose that item, especially if it is in a manner they deem cowardly or unfair. So it is simple [gear grinding] + [full loot PvP] = [Griefing] I say we do away with gear grinding and go at it, personally. I don't want to spend 8 hours or more in one stupid instance trying to get [Jehova's Necklace of Witnessing +++++Everything] anyway. I play a game for fun, not a false sense of accomplishment.
I suggest partial looting or maybe allow each player to bind one item to their character that cannot be looted. If you want to have godly gear... but personally I think having godly gear or two hundred levels for a character is the wrong way to go anyway. Throw in some character aging and item degradation for me also!
Besides.. Congress is thinking about taxing virtual economies anyway and I for one, don't want to give them more ammunition.
Here it is folks. Basically 99% of the DF haters are the same..
There are use to the Uber Sword Of Serverlag.. That takes them and 39 other dudes 6 monthes of 14 hour raids daily, to aquire.
They cannot grasp anything else.. Its so so simple.. They havent played anything else. lol.
They dont get that games can be non gear centric.. What do you do then? They wonder.
I cant save them all, sad to say. But its a good reason for many to grab onto the liferaft that is Darkfall.
Yep, its hard to begin to explain what a "sandbox" MMO is when people only have class/level based MMOs to compare to. They usually tend to get stuck in either "non item based" or "non quest based", and it can be really frustrating to have to explain it all.
So please, try NOT to think in "WoW-terms" when talking about Darkfall (or any other sandbox MMO). Otherwise the the whole point is lost and nothing make sense....and in best case, people will only think you dont know anything about MMOs.
Most MMO's now rely upon grinding for gear as the proverbial carrot in front of the donkey. We the gamers are the donkey. When someone grinds for weeks or months to acquire an item or an item set they are going to be royally pissed when they lose that item, especially if it is in a manner they deem cowardly or unfair. So it is simple [gear grinding] + [full loot PvP] = [Griefing] I say we do away with gear grinding and go at it, personally. I don't want to spend 8 hours or more in one stupid instance trying to get [Jehova's Necklace of Witnessing +++++Everything] anyway. I play a game for fun, not a false sense of accomplishment.
I suggest partial looting or maybe allow each player to bind one item to their character that cannot be looted. If you want to have godly gear... but personally I think having godly gear or two hundred levels for a character is the wrong way to go anyway. Throw in some character aging and item degradation for me also!
Besides.. Congress is thinking about taxing virtual economies anyway and I for one, don't want to give them more ammunition.
Here it is folks. Basically 99% of the DF haters are the same..
There are use to the Uber Sword Of Serverlag.. That takes them and 39 other dudes 6 monthes of 14 hour raids daily, to aquire.
They cannot grasp anything else.. Its so so simple.. They havent played anything else. lol.
They dont get that games can be non gear centric.. What do you do then? They wonder.
I cant save them all, sad to say. But its a good reason for many to grab onto the liferaft that is Darkfall.
Yep, its hard to begin to explain what a "sandbox" MMO is when people only have class/level based MMOs to compare to. They usually tend to get stuck in either "non item based" or "non quest based", and it can be really frustrating to have to explain it all.
So please, try NOT to think in "WoW-terms" when talking about Darkfall (or any other sandbox MMO). Otherwise the the whole point is lost and nothing make sense....and in best case, people will only think you dont know anything about MMOs.
I agree completely. What DF is on paper cannot be compared to WoW at all. And anyone who tries in not in the same ballpark.
As much as I hate to say it, we will never find PvP like we had in UO because that generation of gamers has passed. The new generation is all about smack talking and griefing. PvP is no longer about meaningful and honorable fights, but instead about who's got the bigger epeen, corpse camping, and zerging. This is why open PvP/looting games don't find much success. People just don't enjoy all the garbage that comes with it. I, too, was in love with UO in it's glory days. Sure I had my fair share of being killed, probably more than my fair share actually since I'm not an amazing PvPer. Still, it was fun and, once upon a time, you could usually count on the person who killed you also rezzing you and leaving something on your corpse. It just won't happen anymore. Today's gamers are generally too immature and too full of themselves to consider playing the way we did back then. There are, of course, still some like you and I who still have the honor and decency to not get a kick out of doing things just to ruin someone's day, but we really are the rare finds anymore.
I have to strongly disagree. The market at the time was flooded with young gamers. Myself included.
This created a harsh community consisting of the dawn of cliche immaturity and horriblly lame interactions.
Today the market is more diverse and a community in a looting enviroment hasnt been attempted on that scale again.
Only ignorance assumes its worse then it was.
It don't matter if they're laughing with you or at you, so long as they're laughing.
Darkfall is nothing but a scam to get money from investors. They said back in May that had a gameplay video. Then they said we will release in July, then August. I am sorry, it doe snot take that long to release a video. If they ever do release a gameplay video it will be a tech demo. There is no game people.. This is coming form one of the biggest Darkfall supporters. I have finally lost faith.
These are so cute!
it must have been a great finacial loss to have followed the game. rofl..
Putz.
It don't matter if they're laughing with you or at you, so long as they're laughing.
As much as I hate to say it, we will never find PvP like we had in UO because that generation of gamers has passed. The new generation is all about smack talking and griefing. PvP is no longer about meaningful and honorable fights, but instead about who's got the bigger epeen, corpse camping, and zerging. This is why open PvP/looting games don't find much success. People just don't enjoy all the garbage that comes with it. I, too, was in love with UO in it's glory days. Sure I had my fair share of being killed, probably more than my fair share actually since I'm not an amazing PvPer. Still, it was fun and, once upon a time, you could usually count on the person who killed you also rezzing you and leaving something on your corpse. It just won't happen anymore. Today's gamers are generally too immature and too full of themselves to consider playing the way we did back then. There are, of course, still some like you and I who still have the honor and decency to not get a kick out of doing things just to ruin someone's day, but we really are the rare finds anymore.
Pretty much nailed it.
Yes Yes and yes! I am afraid that those days of respectful PVP are gone forever..............The are no longer Servers/Games that police themselves for PVP anymore like in the good old days of UO.
once again I gotta point out.. UO failed because the communities didnt police themselves well enough. There wasnt enough incentive to play the good guy and majority of the glory went to PKs.
It was the start of online communites pretty much.. My my how theyve grown.
It don't matter if they're laughing with you or at you, so long as they're laughing.
Today's Darkfall trolls were once Darkfall fanboys who for various reasons (mainly immaturity and naivety) got sick of waiting for Darkfall and became bitter and resentful towards it.
I figured I would touch on this subject. First, as I have said several time already - there are trolls. But many that post here regularly, and have something more to say than a one line insult, are not trolls. They are skeptics. Why are they skeptical? Is it immaturity or because they are naive? Quite the opposite.
They have experience. Maybe some of you have forgotten Mourning, Dark and Light, Shadowbane, WWIIOL, and Roma Victor - to name a few. We have seen games from indie devs, we have heard all of the promises before, and we have played the games.
Feature lists are often not worth the virtual paper they are printed on. Why isnt Roma Victor flooded with players that are waiting for DF? The RV feature list is smoking hot and very similar to DF. I will tell you why - the implementation isnt very good.
So, until DF can show the world that their GAME is as good as the feature list, many remain skeptical. All of the milestones and internal deadlines that have been missed over the course of YEARS do not help. And the reluctance to show the game to any press - for a game that has a PR strategy of letting the game speak for itself - blows my mind. If they speak the truth about the current state of their game, it should be out there doing the PR for them right now. Instead, we are waiting for a damn video that was announced 3 months ago.
Patience is a virtue. Gullibility is a vice. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A penny saved is a penny earned. Early to bed...OK, enough.
Roma Victor?
Maybe its because nobody wants to play a cheesey hashing of 300.. in short skirts.
Seriously though, you ramble on and on about previous games with indie devs.. Majority of them have had similarly rocky starts getting funding.. Their development has been delayed and eventually they start leaking too much information and try and drum up business.
Darkfall keeps the lid tight. Cry more or just be a grown ass man and have patience.
It don't matter if they're laughing with you or at you, so long as they're laughing.
Maybe its because nobody wants to play a cheesey hashing of 300.. in short skirts. Actually, a 300 theme would no doubt sell. However, Roma Victor is a Roman themed historical game. Yeah, I am sure that no one here wants to play a skill based game with FPS aiming and looting. Whatever. Seriously though, you ramble on and on about previous games with indie devs.. Majority of them have had similarly rocky starts getting funding.. Their development has been delayed and eventually they start leaking too much information and try and drum up business. Leaking too much information was the problem?
Darkfall keeps the lid tight. Cry more or just be a grown ass man and have patience. Ah, so a tight lid = good game. Right. You tell me to act like a "grown ass man" or cry more...clearly the irony is lost on you. But it did entertain me, thanks!
Darkfall is nothing but a scam to get money from investors. They said back in May that had a gameplay video. Then they said we will release in July, then August. I am sorry, it doe snot take that long to release a video. If they ever do release a gameplay video it will be a tech demo. There is no game people.. This is coming form one of the biggest Darkfall supporters. I have finally lost faith.
Ockham's Razor says...
Truth.
Can't say as I blame 'em. Who wouldn't want to freeload on someone's dime in a nice Mediterranean locale, in return for having to cough out a sh*tty-looking scripted video or "beta" site logo every couple of months.
It explains why there isn't going to be a video this month as "promised' and why there won't be a release by the end of this year as "promised."
Sad thing is, games with difficulty or risk vs reward, don't make as much money. Much more satisfiying game, but it takes a little more patience. But I agree with you totally, long live Darkfall, whenever it comes out.
(in before the vaportrolls)
Very true. You got to understand a lot of the kids that play MMOs, play on their parents dime. And those are the same kids who would quit a game were they got ganked and looted, as was seen in UO. UO was great because all your pride was in your character and your home, both of which could not be looted away from you. You died you lost everything, but if you were a GM with a swords, well you can get a new sword and be bad ass with that one. It was a cutting edge philosophy that I would of thought would rule the MMORPG market for the rest of time, but I was sadly mistaken. Seems like the WoW generation and theme has taken over and all MMOs are just like one another now.
I just want a game where your pride comes with your characters hard earned, unique skills and house, not your loot you just got from the 8 hour raid boss.
After some people have waited seven years, you expect them to be patient? Going weeks, sometimes months, without news, you expect them to be patient? Getting led on each time Tasos gives them false hope, you expect them to be patient? Still without evidence that DF has any of the promised features, you expect them to be patient? Without beta only several months from release, you expect them to be patient? There are people who have waited seven years for DF, beginning to think each year will be different. Starting to think mabye, just mabye, this might be the year for Darkfall. If Darkfall hasn't been in development so long, this wouldn't be a problem. If DF could prove any of its claims, this wouldn't be a problem. If Tasos didn't lie and lead people to think each year will be the year, this wouldn't be a problem. If they gave their fans some reasurance, this wouldn't be a problem. If they cared about their fanbase, this wouldn't be a problem.
P.S. Are you the same person from the DF forums?
Ive waited for 7 years for Darkfall, and I am still patient.
Looks like people like you are the only ones with the problem!!! Cry more!
If Darkfall did release in 2005 and the game was underdeveloped like Vanguard or Age of Conan, people here would /cry /bitch and /moan about it and complain how Aventurine didnt take enough time to develop the damn game.
And now when a company FINALLY TAKES IT TIME TO FINISH A GAME they /cry and /troll.
Also I have a message for ORLYBIRD. Do not send me any more PMs here about how much you want me to stop posting nice things about Darkfall.
AoC and WAR were started years after Darkfall, and they are releasing now. Doesn't that give you a clue?
Darkfall is developed by a small independent crew. They dont have huge financial backing. Development is paid mostly out of their own pockets. They cant afford to fail. Releasing a unfinished game ridden with bugs and other problems will make sure they are finished in the MMO industry. This is their one and only chance. If it fails then years of their lives has been thrown away.
If they take their time and release a good product, polished and bugfree. They will have hit the jackpot and will have secured their future in the industry.
Now what would you have done?
Hauken Stormchaser I want pre-CU back Station.com : We got your game Yeah?, Well i want it back!!!
Most MMO's now rely upon grinding for gear as the proverbial carrot in front of the donkey. We the gamers are the donkey. When someone grinds for weeks or months to acquire an item or an item set they are going to be royally pissed when they lose that item, especially if it is in a manner they deem cowardly or unfair. So it is simple [gear grinding] + [full loot PvP] = [Griefing] I say we do away with gear grinding and go at it, personally. I don't want to spend 8 hours or more in one stupid instance trying to get [Jehova's Necklace of Witnessing +++++Everything] anyway. I play a game for fun, not a false sense of accomplishment.
I suggest partial looting or maybe allow each player to bind one item to their character that cannot be looted. If you want to have godly gear... but personally I think having godly gear or two hundred levels for a character is the wrong way to go anyway. Throw in some character aging and item degradation for me also!
Besides.. Congress is thinking about taxing virtual economies anyway and I for one, don't want to give them more ammunition.
Here it is folks. Basically 99% of the DF haters are the same..
There are use to the Uber Sword Of Serverlag.. That takes them and 39 other dudes 6 monthes of 14 hour raids daily, to aquire.
They cannot grasp anything else.. Its so so simple.. They havent played anything else. lol.
They dont get that games can be non gear centric.. What do you do then? They wonder.
I cant save them all, sad to say. But its a good reason for many to grab onto the liferaft that is Darkfall.
Yep, its hard to begin to explain what a "sandbox" MMO is when people only have class/level based MMOs to compare to. They usually tend to get stuck in either "non item based" or "non quest based", and it can be really frustrating to have to explain it all.
So please, try NOT to think in "WoW-terms" when talking about Darkfall (or any other sandbox MMO). Otherwise the the whole point is lost and nothing make sense....and in best case, people will only think you dont know anything about MMOs.
I agree completely. What DF is on paper cannot be compared to WoW at all. And anyone who tries in not in the same ballpark.
I am confused. Are you guys agreeing with my post or disagreeing? Because I am basically on your side in this. As for using WoW for comparison... I was explaining why so many people are against full loot in pretty much any modern MMO. As for "don't know anything about MMO's", I have been around since Everquest and haven't touched WoW in five months. I am playing EVE atm and looking forward to the RvR of Warhammer next. And if Darkfall delivers on it's promises I will no doubt play that as well. The point of my post is that Gear-grind and full-loot results in angry players. If Darkfall ends up relying heavily upon gear grind (and most people on the forums will assume it will because so many games do now) then it is going to alienate a lot of players very quickly. I haven't seen enough information on Darkfall to know if it is going to avoid that pitfall or not, and until the game actually hits Beta and people can see for themselves how that mechanic works then we don't know. Personally I would rather have fun gameplay, sandbox, and full-loot PvP than gear grind. That was the point of my post. Did I misunderstand you guys or just not make my point very well?
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A very good post OP and i totally agree with you.
What a read! One of.... naw THE BEST post I have ever read on this god forsaken website
What a read! One of.... naw THE BEST post I have ever read on this god forsaken website
Ohh yeah!
It even makes up for the very lame ones w have seen here the last days.
Pretty much nailed it.
Pretty much nailed it.
Yes Yes and yes! I am afraid that those days of respectful PVP are gone forever..............The are no longer Servers/Games that police themselves for PVP anymore like in the good old days of UO.
Its worse to actually think about doing something then actually doing it!!!
hahaha, anger management is not the strongest side here I see
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
why get upset because someone told it just like it is?
I figured I would touch on this subject. First, as I have said several time already - there are trolls. But many that post here regularly, and have something more to say than a one line insult, are not trolls. They are skeptics. Why are they skeptical? Is it immaturity or because they are naive? Quite the opposite.
They have experience. Maybe some of you have forgotten Mourning, Dark and Light, Shadowbane, WWIIOL, and Roma Victor - to name a few. We have seen games from indie devs, we have heard all of the promises before, and we have played the games.
Feature lists are often not worth the virtual paper they are printed on. Why isnt Roma Victor flooded with players that are waiting for DF? The RV feature list is smoking hot and very similar to DF. I will tell you why - the implementation isnt very good.
So, until DF can show the world that their GAME is as good as the feature list, many remain skeptical. All of the milestones and internal deadlines that have been missed over the course of YEARS do not help. And the reluctance to show the game to any press - for a game that has a PR strategy of letting the game speak for itself - blows my mind. If they speak the truth about the current state of their game, it should be out there doing the PR for them right now. Instead, we are waiting for a damn video that was announced 3 months ago.
Patience is a virtue. Gullibility is a vice. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A penny saved is a penny earned. Early to bed...OK, enough.
Pretty much nailed it.
And no one believes me when I tell them stuff like that about UO. There were plenty of occassions were I would be out in the wild. Not paying attention, and someone would come up, and just killed my PC. Funny thing is they would rez, me and then go on about their business.
PvP has been on it's last leg since UO. PvP has always appealed to the lowest common donominator since then. I personally have nothing against alot of the guilds and pvp'ers I've met since then. I just find myself wondering where all the maturity went. Anyone that played Shadowbane with any of the biggers guilds like LoD, ST, LSoD, etc. Would be asking yourself the same question.
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
Oh another Vaporlol...
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Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
I figured I would touch on this subject. First, as I have said several time already - there are trolls. But many that post here regularly, and have something more to say than a one line insult, are not trolls. They are skeptics. Why are they skeptical? Is it immaturity or because they are naive? Quite the opposite.
They have experience. Maybe some of you have forgotten Mourning, Dark and Light, Shadowbane, WWIIOL, and Roma Victor - to name a few. We have seen games from indie devs, we have heard all of the promises before, and we have played the games.
Feature lists are often not worth the virtual paper they are printed on. Why isnt Roma Victor flooded with players that are waiting for DF? The RV feature list is smoking hot and very similar to DF. I will tell you why - the implementation isnt very good.
So, until DF can show the world that their GAME is as good as the feature list, many remain skeptical. All of the milestones and internal deadlines that have been missed over the course of YEARS do not help. And the reluctance to show the game to any press - for a game that has a PR strategy of letting the game speak for itself - blows my mind. If they speak the truth about the current state of their game, it should be out there doing the PR for them right now. Instead, we are waiting for a damn video that was announced 3 months ago.
Patience is a virtue. Gullibility is a vice. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A penny saved is a penny earned. Early to bed...OK, enough.
nothing wrong with skepticism... at all. but when skepticism becomes irrational - that's a troll.
Yawn yawn yawn.
I love them.. 99% of them continue to troll the internet. They dont know a thing about the industry and what it takes. Just ignorantly going from porn sites to forums.
Gotta love em.
It don't matter if they're laughing with you or at you, so long as they're laughing.
Here it is folks. Basically 99% of the DF haters are the same..
There are use to the Uber Sword Of Serverlag.. That takes them and 39 other dudes 6 monthes of 14 hour raids daily, to aquire.
They cannot grasp anything else.. Its so so simple.. They havent played anything else. lol.
They dont get that games can be non gear centric.. What do you do then? They wonder.
I cant save them all, sad to say. But its a good reason for many to grab onto the liferaft that is Darkfall.
It don't matter if they're laughing with you or at you, so long as they're laughing.
Here it is folks. Basically 99% of the DF haters are the same..
There are use to the Uber Sword Of Serverlag.. That takes them and 39 other dudes 6 monthes of 14 hour raids daily, to aquire.
They cannot grasp anything else.. Its so so simple.. They havent played anything else. lol.
They dont get that games can be non gear centric.. What do you do then? They wonder.
I cant save them all, sad to say. But its a good reason for many to grab onto the liferaft that is Darkfall.
Yep, its hard to begin to explain what a "sandbox" MMO is when people only have class/level based MMOs to compare to. They usually tend to get stuck in either "non item based" or "non quest based", and it can be really frustrating to have to explain it all.
So please, try NOT to think in "WoW-terms" when talking about Darkfall (or any other sandbox MMO). Otherwise the the whole point is lost and nothing make sense....and in best case, people will only think you dont know anything about MMOs.
Here it is folks. Basically 99% of the DF haters are the same..
There are use to the Uber Sword Of Serverlag.. That takes them and 39 other dudes 6 monthes of 14 hour raids daily, to aquire.
They cannot grasp anything else.. Its so so simple.. They havent played anything else. lol.
They dont get that games can be non gear centric.. What do you do then? They wonder.
I cant save them all, sad to say. But its a good reason for many to grab onto the liferaft that is Darkfall.
Yep, its hard to begin to explain what a "sandbox" MMO is when people only have class/level based MMOs to compare to. They usually tend to get stuck in either "non item based" or "non quest based", and it can be really frustrating to have to explain it all.
So please, try NOT to think in "WoW-terms" when talking about Darkfall (or any other sandbox MMO). Otherwise the the whole point is lost and nothing make sense....and in best case, people will only think you dont know anything about MMOs.
I agree completely. What DF is on paper cannot be compared to WoW at all. And anyone who tries in not in the same ballpark.
I have to strongly disagree. The market at the time was flooded with young gamers. Myself included.
This created a harsh community consisting of the dawn of cliche immaturity and horriblly lame interactions.
Today the market is more diverse and a community in a looting enviroment hasnt been attempted on that scale again.
Only ignorance assumes its worse then it was.
It don't matter if they're laughing with you or at you, so long as they're laughing.
These are so cute!
it must have been a great finacial loss to have followed the game. rofl..
Putz.
It don't matter if they're laughing with you or at you, so long as they're laughing.
Pretty much nailed it.
Yes Yes and yes! I am afraid that those days of respectful PVP are gone forever..............The are no longer Servers/Games that police themselves for PVP anymore like in the good old days of UO.
once again I gotta point out.. UO failed because the communities didnt police themselves well enough. There wasnt enough incentive to play the good guy and majority of the glory went to PKs.
It was the start of online communites pretty much.. My my how theyve grown.
It don't matter if they're laughing with you or at you, so long as they're laughing.
I figured I would touch on this subject. First, as I have said several time already - there are trolls. But many that post here regularly, and have something more to say than a one line insult, are not trolls. They are skeptics. Why are they skeptical? Is it immaturity or because they are naive? Quite the opposite.
They have experience. Maybe some of you have forgotten Mourning, Dark and Light, Shadowbane, WWIIOL, and Roma Victor - to name a few. We have seen games from indie devs, we have heard all of the promises before, and we have played the games.
Feature lists are often not worth the virtual paper they are printed on. Why isnt Roma Victor flooded with players that are waiting for DF? The RV feature list is smoking hot and very similar to DF. I will tell you why - the implementation isnt very good.
So, until DF can show the world that their GAME is as good as the feature list, many remain skeptical. All of the milestones and internal deadlines that have been missed over the course of YEARS do not help. And the reluctance to show the game to any press - for a game that has a PR strategy of letting the game speak for itself - blows my mind. If they speak the truth about the current state of their game, it should be out there doing the PR for them right now. Instead, we are waiting for a damn video that was announced 3 months ago.
Patience is a virtue. Gullibility is a vice. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A penny saved is a penny earned. Early to bed...OK, enough.
Roma Victor?
Maybe its because nobody wants to play a cheesey hashing of 300.. in short skirts.
Seriously though, you ramble on and on about previous games with indie devs.. Majority of them have had similarly rocky starts getting funding.. Their development has been delayed and eventually they start leaking too much information and try and drum up business.
Darkfall keeps the lid tight. Cry more or just be a grown ass man and have patience.
It don't matter if they're laughing with you or at you, so long as they're laughing.
Ockham's Razor says...
Truth.
Can't say as I blame 'em. Who wouldn't want to freeload on someone's dime in a nice Mediterranean locale, in return for having to cough out a sh*tty-looking scripted video or "beta" site logo every couple of months.
It explains why there isn't going to be a video this month as "promised' and why there won't be a release by the end of this year as "promised."
Very true. You got to understand a lot of the kids that play MMOs, play on their parents dime. And those are the same kids who would quit a game were they got ganked and looted, as was seen in UO. UO was great because all your pride was in your character and your home, both of which could not be looted away from you. You died you lost everything, but if you were a GM with a swords, well you can get a new sword and be bad ass with that one. It was a cutting edge philosophy that I would of thought would rule the MMORPG market for the rest of time, but I was sadly mistaken. Seems like the WoW generation and theme has taken over and all MMOs are just like one another now.
I just want a game where your pride comes with your characters hard earned, unique skills and house, not your loot you just got from the 8 hour raid boss.
Ive waited for 7 years for Darkfall, and I am still patient.
Looks like people like you are the only ones with the problem!!! Cry more!
If Darkfall did release in 2005 and the game was underdeveloped like Vanguard or Age of Conan, people here would /cry /bitch and /moan about it and complain how Aventurine didnt take enough time to develop the damn game.
And now when a company FINALLY TAKES IT TIME TO FINISH A GAME they /cry and /troll.
Also I have a message for ORLYBIRD. Do not send me any more PMs here about how much you want me to stop posting nice things about Darkfall.
Darkfall is developed by a small independent crew. They dont have huge financial backing. Development is paid mostly out of their own pockets. They cant afford to fail. Releasing a unfinished game ridden with bugs and other problems will make sure they are finished in the MMO industry. This is their one and only chance. If it fails then years of their lives has been thrown away.
If they take their time and release a good product, polished and bugfree. They will have hit the jackpot and will have secured their future in the industry.
Now what would you have done?
Hauken Stormchaser
I want pre-CU back
Station.com : We got your game
Yeah?, Well i want it back!!!
Here it is folks. Basically 99% of the DF haters are the same..
There are use to the Uber Sword Of Serverlag.. That takes them and 39 other dudes 6 monthes of 14 hour raids daily, to aquire.
They cannot grasp anything else.. Its so so simple.. They havent played anything else. lol.
They dont get that games can be non gear centric.. What do you do then? They wonder.
I cant save them all, sad to say. But its a good reason for many to grab onto the liferaft that is Darkfall.
Yep, its hard to begin to explain what a "sandbox" MMO is when people only have class/level based MMOs to compare to. They usually tend to get stuck in either "non item based" or "non quest based", and it can be really frustrating to have to explain it all.
So please, try NOT to think in "WoW-terms" when talking about Darkfall (or any other sandbox MMO). Otherwise the the whole point is lost and nothing make sense....and in best case, people will only think you dont know anything about MMOs.
I agree completely. What DF is on paper cannot be compared to WoW at all. And anyone who tries in not in the same ballpark.
I am confused. Are you guys agreeing with my post or disagreeing? Because I am basically on your side in this. As for using WoW for comparison... I was explaining why so many people are against full loot in pretty much any modern MMO. As for "don't know anything about MMO's", I have been around since Everquest and haven't touched WoW in five months. I am playing EVE atm and looking forward to the RvR of Warhammer next. And if Darkfall delivers on it's promises I will no doubt play that as well. The point of my post is that Gear-grind and full-loot results in angry players. If Darkfall ends up relying heavily upon gear grind (and most people on the forums will assume it will because so many games do now) then it is going to alienate a lot of players very quickly. I haven't seen enough information on Darkfall to know if it is going to avoid that pitfall or not, and until the game actually hits Beta and people can see for themselves how that mechanic works then we don't know. Personally I would rather have fun gameplay, sandbox, and full-loot PvP than gear grind. That was the point of my post. Did I misunderstand you guys or just not make my point very well?