I dont think many people get the style that World of Warcraft goes for, if they were to change graphics to try and make it look more realistic, they would lose some fans, plus, i dont know what you are thinking if you expect MMOs to look like the ocean out the window... you mean so three/quarters of WoW players can't play becuz stupid people like you wanted to make the game more graphically intensive? Not that it would matter with my computer but since the vast majority of WoW subscribers dont have 8800s, there is a good reason for having a less intensive (graphically) game.
People who say the graphics look amazing are comparing these graphics to what? Other games with amazing graphics?
No.
Just to an earlier version of WoW.
It's like saying McDonalds has an amazing new cheeseburger because they're putting better quality cheese on it. Well. Maybe it IS a better cheeseburger... for McDonalds.
I dont think many people get the style that World of Warcraft goes for, if they were to change graphics to try and make it look more realistic, they would lose some fans, plus, i dont know what you are thinking if you expect MMOs to look like the ocean out the window... you mean so three/quarters of WoW players can't play becuz stupid people like you wanted to make the game more graphically intensive? Not that it would matter with my computer but since the vast majority of WoW subscribers dont have 8800s, there is a good reason for having a less intensive (graphically) game.
People who say the graphics look amazing are comparing these graphics to what? Other games with amazing graphics?
No.
Just to an earlier version of WoW.
It's like saying McDonalds has an amazing new cheeseburger because they're putting better quality cheese on it. Well. Maybe it IS a better cheeseburger... for McDonalds.
I dont think many people get the style that World of Warcraft goes for, if they were to change graphics to try and make it look more realistic, they would lose some fans, plus, i dont know what you are thinking if you expect MMOs to look like the ocean out the window... you mean so three/quarters of WoW players can't play becuz stupid people like you wanted to make the game more graphically intensive? Not that it would matter with my computer but since the vast majority of WoW subscribers dont have 8800s, there is a good reason for having a less intensive (graphically) game.
People who say the graphics look amazing are comparing these graphics to what? Other games with amazing graphics?
No.
Just to an earlier version of WoW.
It's like saying McDonalds has an amazing new cheeseburger because they're putting better quality cheese on it. Well. Maybe it IS a better cheeseburger... for McDonalds.
But that doesn't make it an AMAZING cheeseburger.
It's really quite simple. It's not about "the graphics", it's about the art direction. Your McDonald's analogy is quite bizarre and entirely irrelevant.
I'm not getting into the "video games are art" debate because I think it's stupid and pointless. However, if your brain isn't locked around polygon counts and DirectX features, like all the critics seem to be, then you're likely to be suseptible to WoW's art direction, which is as I said before is amazing.
For example, to make things perfectly clear; a Sci-Fi movie with billion dollar special effects might be technically amazing but a movie shot with puppets and models can still look more beautiful because of the talent of the artists.
If you can't wrestle past the fact that the graphics aren't going to push the latest ludicrously expensive graphics card to the limit, then yes, I could fathom how you might think this suck.
But consider something else, something most other MMORPGs have not yet figured out. If you make your game technically amazing, then it runs like a dog when there are many people around. And these are MASSIVELY Multiplayer games. Other games choke when there's hundreds of players around, they need to resort to instancing and such for the server side, and the clientside becomes a slideshow.
When someone who "gets" the fact that WoW's beauty isn't in its system requirements, they'll see the screenshots and realize that that's just a snapshot of the beautifully fluidic and near-seamless world of WoW.
The only MMORPG I've seen that comes close to delivering that kind of wonderfully slick art style is WAR.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
looks good i have always liked wows art style even more then some of the other games out there with insanely realistic graphics.i like the fantasy style and UNrealism myself but to each their own. but i have enjoyed what the other consider great graphics.i like both the looks of aoc and wow even tho VASTLY different some people like to nit pick tho i guess.
how's that saying go "opinions are like ass$%les everybody has one"?
quit wow back when AoC came out had been playin since dec 04 but had been lookin for a new game prolly since mid 05 or 06 just wasn't anything else i really liked.
quit AoC like a month after i started playing it, been in limbo since will probably give wow a try again once expac comes out who knows, have to see how into Warhammer i am when it finally comes out.
Theres definably a slight improvement in the graphics quality for this expansion, nothing dramatic though. From what it looks like there still tons of rehashed textures, and models. With some new ones of course, basically exactly what they did with the burning crusade. The environments look much more varied than the burning crusade however, and more along the lines of the old world content.
Btw to the guy that said that they need to fire their artists, this is one of their artists: http://mv.cgcommunity.com/ Its obviously not their fault if they are told to produce the art in this style, I am sure that they could make a game that looks better than age of conan if they wanted, but what would be the point they would get rid of half their fans.
WoW is still a very low poly game, theres only so much you can do to make it look good with those constraints.
I dont think many people get the style that World of Warcraft goes for, if they were to change graphics to try and make it look more realistic, they would lose some fans, plus, i dont know what you are thinking if you expect MMOs to look like the ocean out the window... you mean so three/quarters of WoW players can't play becuz stupid people like you wanted to make the game more graphically intensive? Not that it would matter with my computer but since the vast majority of WoW subscribers dont have 8800s, there is a good reason for having a less intensive (graphically) game.
People who say the graphics look amazing are comparing these graphics to what? Other games with amazing graphics?
No.
Just to an earlier version of WoW.
It's like saying McDonalds has an amazing new cheeseburger because they're putting better quality cheese on it. Well. Maybe it IS a better cheeseburger... for McDonalds.
But that doesn't make it an AMAZING cheeseburger.
It's really quite simple. It's not about "the graphics", it's about the art direction. Your McDonald's analogy is quite bizarre and entirely irrelevant.
I'm not getting into the "video games are art" debate because I think it's stupid and pointless. However, if your brain isn't locked around polygon counts and DirectX features, like all the critics seem to be, then you're likely to be suseptible to WoW's art direction, which is as I said before is amazing.
For example, to make things perfectly clear; a Sci-Fi movie with billion dollar special effects might be technically amazing but a movie shot with puppets and models can still look more beautiful because of the talent of the artists.
If you can't wrestle past the fact that the graphics aren't going to push the latest ludicrously expensive graphics card to the limit, then yes, I could fathom how you might think this suck.
But consider something else, something most other MMORPGs have not yet figured out. If you make your game technically amazing, then it runs like a dog when there are many people around. And these are MASSIVELY Multiplayer games. Other games choke when there's hundreds of players around, they need to resort to instancing and such for the server side, and the clientside becomes a slideshow.
When someone who "gets" the fact that WoW's beauty isn't in its system requirements, they'll see the screenshots and realize that that's just a snapshot of the beautifully fluidic and near-seamless world of WoW.
The only MMORPG I've seen that comes close to delivering that kind of wonderfully slick art style is WAR.
You calling the analogy I made "bizarre" and "ridiculous" says more about your ability to understand my point/question than the analogy itself. That's why you spent many, many words NOT answering it. You just made up your own question and answered that, instead.
The people I aimed my comment to weren't complementing the "art direction", they were fawning over the images saying they look amazing, but really, compared to what? Only within the hermetic bubble of WoWland do these graphics look anything other than simply "more of the same". I'll admit they might be slightly better than the older graphics due to added shadows, but that's like improving your McDonalds cheeseburger by putting higher quality cheese on it. Still pretty much the same old cheeseburger.
Actually, i was refering to the art direction, which their art direction is the warcraft style seen throughout there warcraft 1-3 series. Being one of the few people (clearly) whos seen the behind the scenes for WoW, they explain all this themselves, they like this style, so they are keeping it.
LMFAO Graphics improved these are the same graphics i was looking at 6 years ago when i was playing Jak 2 on PS2
Agree, personaly for me, the graphics are damn awfull, its what keeps me from playing the game. Can't argue that the game is smooth to play and there is always alot of people about. But thats it. If you only opened your eyes to what else is around....
I realy am just gobsmacked at peoples comments, "wow that looks amazing", "realy nice" wth! I can't see anybody playing the game for the way it looks!
These are things you should be going, ooo thats nice at. And no it doesnt need a monster pc to run, specs are very similar to wow.
LMFAO Graphics improved these are the same graphics i was looking at 6 years ago when i was playing Jak 2 on PS2
Agree, personaly for me, the graphics are damn awfull, its what keeps me from playing the game. Can't argue that the game is smooth to play and there is always alot of people about. But thats it. If you only opened your eyes to what else is around....
I realy am just gobsmacked at peoples comments, "wow that looks amazing", "realy nice" wth! I can't see anybody playing the game for the way it looks!
These are things you should be going, ooo thats nice at. And no it doesnt need a monster pc to run, specs are very similar to wow.
wait, do you seriously think Lord of the rings online has similar system requirements to WoW? I think someone needs to look up system requirements. At minimum, LotRO requires double the cpu speeds of WoW, double the video card memory of WoW, the RAM is actual the same! wow! Id like to point out as well that the recommended cpu speed for WoW is less than LoRO's MINIMUM cpu speed, oh, and the fact that LotRO's recommended cpu speed is close to the Crysis minimum. So if that is 'not that much' to you, that did you have to sell your soul for your computer?
wait, do you seriously think Lord of the rings online has similar system requirements to WoW? I think someone needs to look up system requirements. At minimum, LotRO requires double the cpu speeds of WoW, double the video card memory of WoW, the RAM is actual the same! wow! Id like to point out as well that the recommended cpu speed for WoW is less than LoRO's MINIMUM cpu speed, oh, and the fact that LotRO's recommended cpu speed is close to the Crysis minimum. So if that is 'not that much' to you, that did you have to sell your soul for your computer?
The minimum PC specifications for LOTRO are P4 1.8Ghz or Athlon XP 1800, 512Mb RAM, 7Gb disk space, 64Mb graphics card. (Do PC's this old even exist!)
The recommended specs are P4 3Ghz or Athlon 64, 1Gb RAM, 10Gb disk space, 128Mb Graphics.
Seriously if you think these are demanding specs you must be from the dark ages! And remember that WOTLK has said that system requirements are to be raised but they will try to keep they as low as possible.
Well if people do sell their souls to be able to buy a PC to play it, would only be worth £229 from Dell! And suprisingly its realy very hard to find PC's with lower Specs than what LOTRO Recommended needs.
Core i5 13600KF, BeQuiet Pure Loop FX 360, 32gb DDR5-6000 XPG, WD SN850 NVMe ,PNY 3090 XLR8, Asus Prime Z790-A, Lian-Li O11 PCMR case (limited ed 1045/2000), 32" LG Ultragear 4k Monitor, Logitech G560 LightSync Sound, Razer Deathadder V2 and Razer Blackwidow V3 Keyboard
Yeah those were nice screen shots. The new shadows and sky are nice and its about time they did it. But other than that there is no updated graphics. WoW's graphics look really good if the camera is farther away from the character but I play with my camera up close to my character so I see tons of crappy textures. Can't wait till this comes out, lol I cant wait till the 7th either cuz its Warhammer Time.
wait, do you seriously think Lord of the rings online has similar system requirements to WoW? I think someone needs to look up system requirements. At minimum, LotRO requires double the cpu speeds of WoW, double the video card memory of WoW, the RAM is actual the same! wow! Id like to point out as well that the recommended cpu speed for WoW is less than LoRO's MINIMUM cpu speed, oh, and the fact that LotRO's recommended cpu speed is close to the Crysis minimum. So if that is 'not that much' to you, that did you have to sell your soul for your computer?
Oh so that was LOTRO. Was wondering how the hell they managed to get all that gfx without cranking up the hardware requirement. Yea those screens were pretty but i dont see why people hate the fact that we think wow screens are "amazing" or "beautiful".
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Yes a good part of this love comes from seeing a game get better over the years or add something new. They've kept the art direction true to Warcraft 3. If they made a shift to say something like LOTROs gfx they would lose alot of players. They've also improved the gfx alot from the previous games. If you see a high rez video of the nexus instance you can see this cool transperent "matrix" effect throughout the instance.
This post was never ment to be a comparison with other MMOs out right now. I just made it to give people a glimpse of what to expect. I respect the fact that you dont like the graphics. But dont make fun of other poeple if they do.
Were not going on other game forums and saying "hey our games gfx is awesome as compared to yours". Why come in here and flame the gfx of this game?
Great screens, although it kinda makes me wonder how long they can keep going with the same engine. My main gripe with wow is just all the rehashing. After looking at the 500th reused enemy model in sunwell, it gets a bit stale. I hope Wotlk will inject some fresh and original models/enviroments into wow.
I don't know what you guys a gripping about. The game looks beautiful in so many aspects. Don't expect WoW to look like EQ2 or Conan, it isn't. It's Warcraft.
I dont think many people get the style that World of Warcraft goes for, if they were to change graphics to try and make it look more realistic, they would lose some fans, plus, i dont know what you are thinking if you expect MMOs to look like the ocean out the window... you mean so three/quarters of WoW players can't play becuz stupid people like you wanted to make the game more graphically intensive? Not that it would matter with my computer but since the vast majority of WoW subscribers dont have 8800s, there is a good reason for having a less intensive (graphically) game.
People who say the graphics look amazing are comparing these graphics to what? Other games with amazing graphics?
No.
Just to an earlier version of WoW.
It's like saying McDonalds has an amazing new cheeseburger because they're putting better quality cheese on it. Well. Maybe it IS a better cheeseburger... for McDonalds.
But that doesn't make it an AMAZING cheeseburger.
It's really quite simple. It's not about "the graphics", it's about the art direction. Your McDonald's analogy is quite bizarre and entirely irrelevant.
I'm not getting into the "video games are art" debate because I think it's stupid and pointless. However, if your brain isn't locked around polygon counts and DirectX features, like all the critics seem to be, then you're likely to be suseptible to WoW's art direction, which is as I said before is amazing.
For example, to make things perfectly clear; a Sci-Fi movie with billion dollar special effects might be technically amazing but a movie shot with puppets and models can still look more beautiful because of the talent of the artists.
If you can't wrestle past the fact that the graphics aren't going to push the latest ludicrously expensive graphics card to the limit, then yes, I could fathom how you might think this suck.
But consider something else, something most other MMORPGs have not yet figured out. If you make your game technically amazing, then it runs like a dog when there are many people around. And these are MASSIVELY Multiplayer games. Other games choke when there's hundreds of players around, they need to resort to instancing and such for the server side, and the clientside becomes a slideshow.
When someone who "gets" the fact that WoW's beauty isn't in its system requirements, they'll see the screenshots and realize that that's just a snapshot of the beautifully fluidic and near-seamless world of WoW.
The only MMORPG I've seen that comes close to delivering that kind of wonderfully slick art style is WAR.
You calling the analogy I made "bizarre" and "ridiculous" says more about your ability to understand my point/question than the analogy itself. That's why you spent many, many words NOT answering it. You just made up your own question and answered that, instead.
The people I aimed my comment to weren't complementing the "art direction", they were fawning over the images saying they look amazing, but really, compared to what? Only within the hermetic bubble of WoWland do these graphics look anything other than simply "more of the same". I'll admit they might be slightly better than the older graphics due to added shadows, but that's like improving your McDonalds cheeseburger by putting higher quality cheese on it. Still pretty much the same old cheeseburger.
I said irrelevant, not ridiculous. Freudian slip? Anyway, your analogy is still bizarre and irrelevant.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
I hate to keep getting off point with those LOTRO screenshots, but comparing them to the WoW ones are a serious misjudgment. For one, those screenshots Ill bet are taken from a directx10 run computer (Im betting they were taken off of the homepage, which means they are using next-gen graphics) and the next thing is I said the system requirement that was bordering Crysis was the processor(for recommended, which i did say as well) which guess what, it is! look up specs for crysis before responding! Also, most normal, casual people do not have high end gaming machines and so those specifications (The minimum are fairly easy, as long as you dont have Vista) but the recommended is more than most people with a basic family computer really have. And your comment about me living in the dark ages, 2.9GHz dual, 8800GS with 384MB running at 650MHz with 2 GB RAM qualifies my computer as a really good gaming computer. The reason I bring up the demanding system requirements is simply becuz I am trying to look out for everyone so that a person who can barely run WoW doesnt listen to your post, think they can run LOTRO, and goes and gets it for like 30 dollars, puts it in, then tries to play it and it crashes their computer. I can run Crysis at almost full high-end so this is obviously not a problem for me, but as i said im trying to help others, i dont really need to go to posts to help learn my own opinion but to rather encourage new players who want to try my favorite MMO or help them decide on theirs. You may be priveledged to have a computer that considers LOTRO's specs easy, but I know quite a few people, many who Ive run into on MMOs who say that they cant run that well if at all.
I dont think many people get the style that World of Warcraft goes for, if they were to change graphics to try and make it look more realistic, they would lose some fans, plus, i dont know what you are thinking if you expect MMOs to look like the ocean out the window... you mean so three/quarters of WoW players can't play becuz stupid people like you wanted to make the game more graphically intensive? Not that it would matter with my computer but since the vast majority of WoW subscribers dont have 8800s, there is a good reason for having a less intensive (graphically) game.
People who say the graphics look amazing are comparing these graphics to what? Other games with amazing graphics?
No.
Just to an earlier version of WoW.
It's like saying McDonalds has an amazing new cheeseburger because they're putting better quality cheese on it. Well. Maybe it IS a better cheeseburger... for McDonalds.
But that doesn't make it an AMAZING cheeseburger.
It's really quite simple. It's not about "the graphics", it's about the art direction. Your McDonald's analogy is quite bizarre and entirely irrelevant.
I'm not getting into the "video games are art" debate because I think it's stupid and pointless. However, if your brain isn't locked around polygon counts and DirectX features, like all the critics seem to be, then you're likely to be suseptible to WoW's art direction, which is as I said before is amazing.
For example, to make things perfectly clear; a Sci-Fi movie with billion dollar special effects might be technically amazing but a movie shot with puppets and models can still look more beautiful because of the talent of the artists.
If you can't wrestle past the fact that the graphics aren't going to push the latest ludicrously expensive graphics card to the limit, then yes, I could fathom how you might think this suck.
But consider something else, something most other MMORPGs have not yet figured out. If you make your game technically amazing, then it runs like a dog when there are many people around. And these are MASSIVELY Multiplayer games. Other games choke when there's hundreds of players around, they need to resort to instancing and such for the server side, and the clientside becomes a slideshow.
When someone who "gets" the fact that WoW's beauty isn't in its system requirements, they'll see the screenshots and realize that that's just a snapshot of the beautifully fluidic and near-seamless world of WoW.
The only MMORPG I've seen that comes close to delivering that kind of wonderfully slick art style is WAR.
You calling the analogy I made "bizarre" and "ridiculous" says more about your ability to understand my point/question than the analogy itself. That's why you spent many, many words NOT answering it. You just made up your own question and answered that, instead.
The people I aimed my comment to weren't complementing the "art direction", they were fawning over the images saying they look amazing, but really, compared to what? Only within the hermetic bubble of WoWland do these graphics look anything other than simply "more of the same". I'll admit they might be slightly better than the older graphics due to added shadows, but that's like improving your McDonalds cheeseburger by putting higher quality cheese on it. Still pretty much the same old cheeseburger.
I said irrelevant, not ridiculous. Freudian slip? Anyway, your analogy is still bizarre and irrelevant.
There you go again not actually responding to a question or a point. Just a little dig and some misdirection. New WoW graphics are amazing compared to what?
LotRO? AoC? Tabula Rasa? EVE? When you look at the competition, they are really only amazing when compared to the old WoW graphics.
Let's hear it for the new McDonald's cheeseburger which is truly AMAZING now that it has higher quality cheese!
BTW, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with eating at McDonalds. It doesn't cost much, ordering is straightforward, it satiates your appetite. Heck, I used to eat there too. Also, they must be doing plenty of things right, since they have tons of customers!
There you go again not actually responding to a question or a point. Just a little dig and some misdirection. New WoW graphics are amazing compared to what?
You're the one going for entrapment here, no need to compare it to other games because it's style stands on its own. Why, because it is about the art style, AoC, Tabula Rasa, LOTRO have almost no style, they have representation of "reality" to a certain degree and you can say how poor either of those games look judging how far from realistic it looks.
That is why you don't really compare WoW graphics with other because no one is gonna look at WoW and go, wow that really looks realistic, it was never it's intention.
If you really want to discuss, you would, you wouldn't look for a comparison we all know you can tear down.
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That makes me happy in my happy place GO GO WOTLK
Hype is my nemesis. i will fight it til the day i die whether i take it down or it takes me down. So depressing, Yes?
People who say the graphics look amazing are comparing these graphics to what? Other games with amazing graphics?
No.
Just to an earlier version of WoW.
It's like saying McDonalds has an amazing new cheeseburger because they're putting better quality cheese on it. Well. Maybe it IS a better cheeseburger... for McDonalds.
But that doesn't make it an AMAZING cheeseburger.
People who say the graphics look amazing are comparing these graphics to what? Other games with amazing graphics?
No.
Just to an earlier version of WoW.
It's like saying McDonalds has an amazing new cheeseburger because they're putting better quality cheese on it. Well. Maybe it IS a better cheeseburger... for McDonalds.
But that doesn't make it an AMAZING cheeseburger.
/facepalm
People who say the graphics look amazing are comparing these graphics to what? Other games with amazing graphics?
No.
Just to an earlier version of WoW.
It's like saying McDonalds has an amazing new cheeseburger because they're putting better quality cheese on it. Well. Maybe it IS a better cheeseburger... for McDonalds.
But that doesn't make it an AMAZING cheeseburger.
It's really quite simple. It's not about "the graphics", it's about the art direction. Your McDonald's analogy is quite bizarre and entirely irrelevant.
I'm not getting into the "video games are art" debate because I think it's stupid and pointless. However, if your brain isn't locked around polygon counts and DirectX features, like all the critics seem to be, then you're likely to be suseptible to WoW's art direction, which is as I said before is amazing.
For example, to make things perfectly clear; a Sci-Fi movie with billion dollar special effects might be technically amazing but a movie shot with puppets and models can still look more beautiful because of the talent of the artists.
If you can't wrestle past the fact that the graphics aren't going to push the latest ludicrously expensive graphics card to the limit, then yes, I could fathom how you might think this suck.
But consider something else, something most other MMORPGs have not yet figured out. If you make your game technically amazing, then it runs like a dog when there are many people around. And these are MASSIVELY Multiplayer games. Other games choke when there's hundreds of players around, they need to resort to instancing and such for the server side, and the clientside becomes a slideshow.
When someone who "gets" the fact that WoW's beauty isn't in its system requirements, they'll see the screenshots and realize that that's just a snapshot of the beautifully fluidic and near-seamless world of WoW.
The only MMORPG I've seen that comes close to delivering that kind of wonderfully slick art style is WAR.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
looks good i have always liked wows art style even more then some of the other games out there with insanely realistic graphics.i like the fantasy style and UNrealism myself but to each their own. but i have enjoyed what the other consider great graphics.i like both the looks of aoc and wow even tho VASTLY different some people like to nit pick tho i guess.
how's that saying go "opinions are like ass$%les everybody has one"?
quit wow back when AoC came out had been playin since dec 04 but had been lookin for a new game prolly since mid 05 or 06 just wasn't anything else i really liked.
quit AoC like a month after i started playing it, been in limbo since will probably give wow a try again once expac comes out who knows, have to see how into Warhammer i am when it finally comes out.
Except for that aweful looking bridge and hillside in the second set of shots the graphics in WOTLK look entertaining.
All they need to do now is..
-Balance Classes
-Remove gear dependancy
-Remove the aweful grind which ruins WoW
And add some form of 'player skill' to the game and I'll come back! Great job and some of the sights though Blizzard.
Theres definably a slight improvement in the graphics quality for this expansion, nothing dramatic though. From what it looks like there still tons of rehashed textures, and models. With some new ones of course, basically exactly what they did with the burning crusade. The environments look much more varied than the burning crusade however, and more along the lines of the old world content.
Btw to the guy that said that they need to fire their artists, this is one of their artists: http://mv.cgcommunity.com/ Its obviously not their fault if they are told to produce the art in this style, I am sure that they could make a game that looks better than age of conan if they wanted, but what would be the point they would get rid of half their fans.
WoW is still a very low poly game, theres only so much you can do to make it look good with those constraints.
People who say the graphics look amazing are comparing these graphics to what? Other games with amazing graphics?
No.
Just to an earlier version of WoW.
It's like saying McDonalds has an amazing new cheeseburger because they're putting better quality cheese on it. Well. Maybe it IS a better cheeseburger... for McDonalds.
But that doesn't make it an AMAZING cheeseburger.
It's really quite simple. It's not about "the graphics", it's about the art direction. Your McDonald's analogy is quite bizarre and entirely irrelevant.
I'm not getting into the "video games are art" debate because I think it's stupid and pointless. However, if your brain isn't locked around polygon counts and DirectX features, like all the critics seem to be, then you're likely to be suseptible to WoW's art direction, which is as I said before is amazing.
For example, to make things perfectly clear; a Sci-Fi movie with billion dollar special effects might be technically amazing but a movie shot with puppets and models can still look more beautiful because of the talent of the artists.
If you can't wrestle past the fact that the graphics aren't going to push the latest ludicrously expensive graphics card to the limit, then yes, I could fathom how you might think this suck.
But consider something else, something most other MMORPGs have not yet figured out. If you make your game technically amazing, then it runs like a dog when there are many people around. And these are MASSIVELY Multiplayer games. Other games choke when there's hundreds of players around, they need to resort to instancing and such for the server side, and the clientside becomes a slideshow.
When someone who "gets" the fact that WoW's beauty isn't in its system requirements, they'll see the screenshots and realize that that's just a snapshot of the beautifully fluidic and near-seamless world of WoW.
The only MMORPG I've seen that comes close to delivering that kind of wonderfully slick art style is WAR.
You calling the analogy I made "bizarre" and "ridiculous" says more about your ability to understand my point/question than the analogy itself. That's why you spent many, many words NOT answering it. You just made up your own question and answered that, instead.
The people I aimed my comment to weren't complementing the "art direction", they were fawning over the images saying they look amazing, but really, compared to what? Only within the hermetic bubble of WoWland do these graphics look anything other than simply "more of the same". I'll admit they might be slightly better than the older graphics due to added shadows, but that's like improving your McDonalds cheeseburger by putting higher quality cheese on it. Still pretty much the same old cheeseburger.
Actually, i was refering to the art direction, which their art direction is the warcraft style seen throughout there warcraft 1-3 series. Being one of the few people (clearly) whos seen the behind the scenes for WoW, they explain all this themselves, they like this style, so they are keeping it.
Nice screenshots. Always thought WoW had some good graphics albeit a little too cartoony it was still appealing. It's very subjective tho.
Agree, personaly for me, the graphics are damn awfull, its what keeps me from playing the game. Can't argue that the game is smooth to play and there is always alot of people about. But thats it. If you only opened your eyes to what else is around....
I realy am just gobsmacked at peoples comments, "wow that looks amazing", "realy nice" wth! I can't see anybody playing the game for the way it looks!
These are things you should be going, ooo thats nice at. And no it doesnt need a monster pc to run, specs are very similar to wow.
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Sorry for kinda going off track with the thread but It's just realy sad to see such drab and old pics being gawped over (is that a word?
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Agree, personaly for me, the graphics are damn awfull, its what keeps me from playing the game. Can't argue that the game is smooth to play and there is always alot of people about. But thats it. If you only opened your eyes to what else is around....
I realy am just gobsmacked at peoples comments, "wow that looks amazing", "realy nice" wth! I can't see anybody playing the game for the way it looks!
These are things you should be going, ooo thats nice at. And no it doesnt need a monster pc to run, specs are very similar to wow.
kittenslitter.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/lotro-the-shire.jpg
i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh308/natedizzlepic/ScreenShot00027.jpg
shrani.si/f/1Y/bB/1QEtM24x/screenshot00001.jpg
Sorry for kinda going off track with the thread but It's just realy sad to see such drab and old pics being gawped over (is that a word?
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What game were those screens taken from? they do look amazing.
wait, do you seriously think Lord of the rings online has similar system requirements to WoW? I think someone needs to look up system requirements. At minimum, LotRO requires double the cpu speeds of WoW, double the video card memory of WoW, the RAM is actual the same! wow! Id like to point out as well that the recommended cpu speed for WoW is less than LoRO's MINIMUM cpu speed, oh, and the fact that LotRO's recommended cpu speed is close to the Crysis minimum. So if that is 'not that much' to you, that did you have to sell your soul for your computer?
Great screens I and im sure many others have been waiting to see more shots from the upcoming expansion.
The minimum PC specifications for LOTRO are P4 1.8Ghz or Athlon XP 1800, 512Mb RAM, 7Gb disk space, 64Mb graphics card. (Do PC's this old even exist!)
The recommended specs are P4 3Ghz or Athlon 64, 1Gb RAM, 10Gb disk space, 128Mb Graphics.
Seriously if you think these are demanding specs you must be from the dark ages! And remember that WOTLK has said that system requirements are to be raised but they will try to keep they as low as possible.
Well if people do sell their souls to be able to buy a PC to play it, would only be worth £229 from Dell! And suprisingly its realy very hard to find PC's with lower Specs than what LOTRO Recommended needs.
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Yeah those were nice screen shots. The new shadows and sky are nice and its about time they did it. But other than that there is no updated graphics. WoW's graphics look really good if the camera is farther away from the character but I play with my camera up close to my character so I see tons of crappy textures. Can't wait till this comes out, lol I cant wait till the 7th either cuz its Warhammer Time.
Oh so that was LOTRO. Was wondering how the hell they managed to get all that gfx without cranking up the hardware requirement. Yea those screens were pretty but i dont see why people hate the fact that we think wow screens are "amazing" or "beautiful".
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Yes a good part of this love comes from seeing a game get better over the years or add something new. They've kept the art direction true to Warcraft 3. If they made a shift to say something like LOTROs gfx they would lose alot of players. They've also improved the gfx alot from the previous games. If you see a high rez video of the nexus instance you can see this cool transperent "matrix" effect throughout the instance.
This post was never ment to be a comparison with other MMOs out right now. I just made it to give people a glimpse of what to expect. I respect the fact that you dont like the graphics. But dont make fun of other poeple if they do.
Were not going on other game forums and saying "hey our games gfx is awesome as compared to yours". Why come in here and flame the gfx of this game?
Some more screens from my travels. (zone:sholar basin)
Great screens, although it kinda makes me wonder how long they can keep going with the same engine. My main gripe with wow is just all the rehashing. After looking at the 500th reused enemy model in sunwell, it gets a bit stale. I hope Wotlk will inject some fresh and original models/enviroments into wow.
I don't know what you guys a gripping about. The game looks beautiful in so many aspects. Don't expect WoW to look like EQ2 or Conan, it isn't. It's Warcraft.
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People who say the graphics look amazing are comparing these graphics to what? Other games with amazing graphics?
No.
Just to an earlier version of WoW.
It's like saying McDonalds has an amazing new cheeseburger because they're putting better quality cheese on it. Well. Maybe it IS a better cheeseburger... for McDonalds.
But that doesn't make it an AMAZING cheeseburger.
It's really quite simple. It's not about "the graphics", it's about the art direction. Your McDonald's analogy is quite bizarre and entirely irrelevant.
I'm not getting into the "video games are art" debate because I think it's stupid and pointless. However, if your brain isn't locked around polygon counts and DirectX features, like all the critics seem to be, then you're likely to be suseptible to WoW's art direction, which is as I said before is amazing.
For example, to make things perfectly clear; a Sci-Fi movie with billion dollar special effects might be technically amazing but a movie shot with puppets and models can still look more beautiful because of the talent of the artists.
If you can't wrestle past the fact that the graphics aren't going to push the latest ludicrously expensive graphics card to the limit, then yes, I could fathom how you might think this suck.
But consider something else, something most other MMORPGs have not yet figured out. If you make your game technically amazing, then it runs like a dog when there are many people around. And these are MASSIVELY Multiplayer games. Other games choke when there's hundreds of players around, they need to resort to instancing and such for the server side, and the clientside becomes a slideshow.
When someone who "gets" the fact that WoW's beauty isn't in its system requirements, they'll see the screenshots and realize that that's just a snapshot of the beautifully fluidic and near-seamless world of WoW.
The only MMORPG I've seen that comes close to delivering that kind of wonderfully slick art style is WAR.
You calling the analogy I made "bizarre" and "ridiculous" says more about your ability to understand my point/question than the analogy itself. That's why you spent many, many words NOT answering it. You just made up your own question and answered that, instead.
The people I aimed my comment to weren't complementing the "art direction", they were fawning over the images saying they look amazing, but really, compared to what? Only within the hermetic bubble of WoWland do these graphics look anything other than simply "more of the same". I'll admit they might be slightly better than the older graphics due to added shadows, but that's like improving your McDonalds cheeseburger by putting higher quality cheese on it. Still pretty much the same old cheeseburger.
I said irrelevant, not ridiculous. Freudian slip? Anyway, your analogy is still bizarre and irrelevant.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
I hate to keep getting off point with those LOTRO screenshots, but comparing them to the WoW ones are a serious misjudgment. For one, those screenshots Ill bet are taken from a directx10 run computer (Im betting they were taken off of the homepage, which means they are using next-gen graphics) and the next thing is I said the system requirement that was bordering Crysis was the processor(for recommended, which i did say as well) which guess what, it is! look up specs for crysis before responding! Also, most normal, casual people do not have high end gaming machines and so those specifications (The minimum are fairly easy, as long as you dont have Vista) but the recommended is more than most people with a basic family computer really have. And your comment about me living in the dark ages, 2.9GHz dual, 8800GS with 384MB running at 650MHz with 2 GB RAM qualifies my computer as a really good gaming computer. The reason I bring up the demanding system requirements is simply becuz I am trying to look out for everyone so that a person who can barely run WoW doesnt listen to your post, think they can run LOTRO, and goes and gets it for like 30 dollars, puts it in, then tries to play it and it crashes their computer. I can run Crysis at almost full high-end so this is obviously not a problem for me, but as i said im trying to help others, i dont really need to go to posts to help learn my own opinion but to rather encourage new players who want to try my favorite MMO or help them decide on theirs. You may be priveledged to have a computer that considers LOTRO's specs easy, but I know quite a few people, many who Ive run into on MMOs who say that they cant run that well if at all.
People who say the graphics look amazing are comparing these graphics to what? Other games with amazing graphics?
No.
Just to an earlier version of WoW.
It's like saying McDonalds has an amazing new cheeseburger because they're putting better quality cheese on it. Well. Maybe it IS a better cheeseburger... for McDonalds.
But that doesn't make it an AMAZING cheeseburger.
It's really quite simple. It's not about "the graphics", it's about the art direction. Your McDonald's analogy is quite bizarre and entirely irrelevant.
I'm not getting into the "video games are art" debate because I think it's stupid and pointless. However, if your brain isn't locked around polygon counts and DirectX features, like all the critics seem to be, then you're likely to be suseptible to WoW's art direction, which is as I said before is amazing.
For example, to make things perfectly clear; a Sci-Fi movie with billion dollar special effects might be technically amazing but a movie shot with puppets and models can still look more beautiful because of the talent of the artists.
If you can't wrestle past the fact that the graphics aren't going to push the latest ludicrously expensive graphics card to the limit, then yes, I could fathom how you might think this suck.
But consider something else, something most other MMORPGs have not yet figured out. If you make your game technically amazing, then it runs like a dog when there are many people around. And these are MASSIVELY Multiplayer games. Other games choke when there's hundreds of players around, they need to resort to instancing and such for the server side, and the clientside becomes a slideshow.
When someone who "gets" the fact that WoW's beauty isn't in its system requirements, they'll see the screenshots and realize that that's just a snapshot of the beautifully fluidic and near-seamless world of WoW.
The only MMORPG I've seen that comes close to delivering that kind of wonderfully slick art style is WAR.
You calling the analogy I made "bizarre" and "ridiculous" says more about your ability to understand my point/question than the analogy itself. That's why you spent many, many words NOT answering it. You just made up your own question and answered that, instead.
The people I aimed my comment to weren't complementing the "art direction", they were fawning over the images saying they look amazing, but really, compared to what? Only within the hermetic bubble of WoWland do these graphics look anything other than simply "more of the same". I'll admit they might be slightly better than the older graphics due to added shadows, but that's like improving your McDonalds cheeseburger by putting higher quality cheese on it. Still pretty much the same old cheeseburger.
I said irrelevant, not ridiculous. Freudian slip? Anyway, your analogy is still bizarre and irrelevant.
There you go again not actually responding to a question or a point. Just a little dig and some misdirection. New WoW graphics are amazing compared to what?
LotRO? AoC? Tabula Rasa? EVE? When you look at the competition, they are really only amazing when compared to the old WoW graphics.
Let's hear it for the new McDonald's cheeseburger which is truly AMAZING now that it has higher quality cheese!
BTW, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with eating at McDonalds. It doesn't cost much, ordering is straightforward, it satiates your appetite. Heck, I used to eat there too. Also, they must be doing plenty of things right, since they have tons of customers!
You're the one going for entrapment here, no need to compare it to other games because it's style stands on its own. Why, because it is about the art style, AoC, Tabula Rasa, LOTRO have almost no style, they have representation of "reality" to a certain degree and you can say how poor either of those games look judging how far from realistic it looks.
That is why you don't really compare WoW graphics with other because no one is gonna look at WoW and go, wow that really looks realistic, it was never it's intention.
If you really want to discuss, you would, you wouldn't look for a comparison we all know you can tear down.