People who say that graphics matter are people who don't appreciate how far the gaming industry has come in terms of graphics. I can still vividly remember playing games before we had 3D video cards. I can still vividly remember playing Combat on the Atari 2600. So, for old timers like me, graphics aren't such a big deal. To me, whether 3D or not, graphics are only good if they do a decent job at representing the environment I am gaming in. If it feels immersive, the graphics are good. Doesn't matter if they are 2D tile based graphics or the latest 3D crap that I can barely run on my PC. In the end, GAMEPLAY > GRAPHICS!
No.......GAMEPLAY + GRAPHICS. They are both part of the package and should both be top quality.
I can run the latest "3D crap" easily on my PC and so can many people. I dont think games should have low quality graphics just to cater to people who have poor machines. However it is good if the graphics settings scale well between varying machines.
Oh and please dont say "But WoW catered to people with poor machines" because I actually think its graphics are rather good. They are "low quality" but the art style is well done and they make good use of what they had available. Darkfalls graphics are just simply outdated and poor.
As long as they fix those animations, spell effects,running and improve all the character models bar the mahrim which looked quite good, most people probably wont care past that about the graphical side of things, perhaps a bit on anti aliasing would help as well.
Its not that the graphics for Darkfall are shit, its that they are still shit after 8 years of development. Of course they could improve them, but theres no way they are doing that amount of work in the time span they are trying to set themselfs, along with all the bug fixing etc.
I would have more faith in this game if the developers were just honest, and admitted their game is not ready and still needs a lot of work, but instead it is very obvious they (and this is quite funny) are going to push the game out the door too early it seems (never thought I would say that about a game I first heard about when I was 12 lol)
Graphics dont matter in the large scheme of things, but that does not mean there is not a minimum standard that a game should atleast have, and Darkfall certaintly isnt at that standard.
That video really made the game look outdated, and coupled with the rather dull gameplay portrayed, and poor animations (I count spell effects as animations btw) it makes this game look terrible. It doesn't matter if it has potential when you take everything about this company and what they have been saying constantly into account.
Hopefully they will take their time to really make this game polished in beta, otherwise it will stand no chance of being comercially successful. I wont be surprised if they dont do this however.
As long as they fix those animations, spell effects,running and improve all the character models bar the mahrim which looked quite good, most people probably wont care past that about the graphical side of things, perhaps a bit on anti aliasing would help as well. So basicly if they fix everything and make the game look good then people wont mind about the graphics.......because they will no longer look crap. Yeah thanks for that Its not that the graphics for Darkfall are shit, its that they are still shit after 8 years of development. Of course they could improve them, but theres no way they are doing that amount of work in the time span they are trying to set themselfs, along with all the bug fixing etc. I would have more faith in this game if the developers were just honest, and admitted their game is not ready and still needs a lot of work, but instead it is very obvious they (and this is quite funny) are going to push the game out the door too early it seems (never thought I would say that about a game I first heard about when I was 12 lol) Graphics dont matter in the large scheme of things, but that does not mean there is not a minimum standard that a game should atleast have, and Darkfall certaintly isnt at that standard. That video really made the game look outdated, and coupled with the rather dull gameplay portrayed, and poor animations (I count spell effects as animations btw) it makes this game look terrible. It doesn't matter if it has potential when you take everything about this company and what they have been saying constantly into account. Hopefully they will take their time to really make this game polished in beta, otherwise it will stand no chance of being comercially successful. I wont be surprised if they dont do this however.
.......but I agree with everything else you said. It may well have plenty of innovative features in it but the general quality of it does look incredibly poor considering the amount of time that has been spent on it. It seems pretty obvious that even after all that time it still isnt going to be ready when its release date arrives unless some kind of miracle occurs.
Graphics is the 1st thing you will notice in a game...but its the last thing that will keep you in a game.
AoC has top graphs,but at what cost?You cant pvp with more than 10-15 people without lowering the details.Sieges are unplayable at max details.None said "Ok, game is broken/bugged but i stay cause it has good graphs".
I agree that any game comes out today must have at least some decent graphs...but bottom line is that at the end of the day gameplay/fun factor is what makes a game succesfull or not.
Graphics is the 1st thing you will notice in a game...but its the last thing that will keep you in a game. AoC has top graphs,but at what cost?You cant pvp with more than 10-15 people without lowering the details.Sieges are unplayable at max details.None said "Ok, game is broken/bugged but i stay cause it has good graphs". I agree that any game comes out today must have at least some decent graphs...but bottom line is that at the end of the day gameplay/fun factor is what makes a game succesfull or not. If Darkfall fails,it wont be because of graphs.
If Darkfall fails it wont be because of its graphics (graphs?)? Are you sure about that? If its graphics really are awful when it gets released it may very well put off a lot of potential players. They will instead give their money to other better looking games.
Graphics is the 1st thing you will notice in a game...but its the last thing that will keep you in a game. AoC has top graphs,but at what cost?You cant pvp with more than 10-15 people without lowering the details.Sieges are unplayable at max details.None said "Ok, game is broken/bugged but i stay cause it has good graphs". I agree that any game comes out today must have at least some decent graphs...but bottom line is that at the end of the day gameplay/fun factor is what makes a game succesfull or not. If Darkfall fails,it wont be because of graphs.
If Darkfall fails it wont be because of its graphics (graphs?)? Are you sure about that? If its graphics really are awful when it gets released it may very well put off a lot of potential players. They will instead give their money to other better looking games.
Better looking games like AoC?Wait first for the game to release,they are still in beta.Things may change but i doubt about that.Aventurine is a small company,thats their 1st mmo,so dont expect anything spectacular.
I play old schools games alright like golden axe , carnage and diablo2 , but these games were the best we could get in the years they were made graphic wise i understand what people are trying to say when they talk about DF ... but the gameplay is good is that your only criteria for a good game ? i hope not
i played shadowbane when it came out and this game had bad graphics but it make me think what DF is trying to do because of pvp , SB had the best pvp i ever played imo and the classes were so unique the way you could play with them anyways the point is , even though DF seem like a game with strong gameplay feature they should not be the only reason to play a game were in 2008 people and bad graphics and animations are no excuse.
this game remind me of shadowbane and roma victor very bad visuals and expect people to play the game because of pvp and some open lot system that rubbish go play eve instead and feel the pain of loss .
Look at Runescape. It may still be a browser game but it just recently broke the world record for most popular free MMORPG of all time. Hell it even has over 200k active subscriptions. It brings in millions a month. I don't know why people say graphics matter so much.
I would put the graphics of this game somewhere between wow and aoc. Anyone who thinks that they are way out of date either has only watched the youtube video (in which all games look shit), is blind or is just here to troll.
I suspect most of it is that they are comparing youtube to downloaded trailers from other games which is retarded.
Graphics is the 1st thing you will notice in a game...but its the last thing that will keep you in a game. AoC has top graphs,but at what cost?You cant pvp with more than 10-15 people without lowering the details.Sieges are unplayable at max details.None said "Ok, game is broken/bugged but i stay cause it has good graphs". I agree that any game comes out today must have at least some decent graphs...but bottom line is that at the end of the day gameplay/fun factor is what makes a game succesfull or not. If Darkfall fails,it wont be because of graphs.
If Darkfall fails it wont be because of its graphics (graphs?)? Are you sure about that? If its graphics really are awful when it gets released it may very well put off a lot of potential players. They will instead give their money to other better looking games.
Better looking games like AoC?Wait first for the game to release,they are still in beta.Things may change but i doubt about that.Aventurine is a small company,thats their 1st mmo,so dont expect anything spectacular.
Why have you brought up AoC twice? If lots of games with good graphics failed then you might be making some kind of point but this is just one game. Besides it did not fail because of its good graphics so it obviously does not prove that good graphics are not important. It received negative feedback because of its bads implementation, launch and bugs.
Oh and dont worry I'm not expecting anything spectacular from Darkfall I can assure you. Obviously I will wait for it to come out......what else am I going to do? I thought we were talking about why people say good graphics matter.
I play old schools games alright like golden axe , carnage and diablo2 , but these games were the best we could get in the years they were made graphic wise i understand what people are trying to say when they talk about DF ... but the gameplay is good is that your only criteria for a good game ? i hope not i played shadowbane when it came out and this game had bad graphics but it make me think what DF is trying to do because of pvp , SB had the best pvp i ever played imo and the classes were so unique the way you could play with them anyways the point is , even though DF seem like a game with strong gameplay feature they should not be the only reason to play a game were in 2008 people and bad graphics and animations are no excuse. this game remind me of shadowbane and roma victor very bad visuals and expect people to play the game because of pvp and some open lot system that rubbish go play eve instead and feel the pain of loss .
Graphics I don't mind at all you can still be completely immersed in the atmosphere of a game even if the graphics aren't up to power (Diablo 1 and 2, Ultima online) but when it comes to NPC and character animations I expect them to be smooth and somewhat realistic for the model, from what I've seen Darkfall doesn't have that smoothness.
Diablo and Ultima Online came out in 1997. Diablo 2 came out 3 years after that. You may not have realised this but guess what? We are in 2008 now! Yeah thats right graphics have moved on since then. Darkfall is not being released 11 years ago.......although it has taken 7 years to make which is probably why it looks so outdated.
I remember playing the original Diablo and actually for its time it looked pretty good. Also it might be worth pointing out that when people talk about graphics in games it is generally assumed that they are referring to the overall look of the game which includes the animations. Its all part of the visual "feel" of a game.
Other games manage to look good so why cant that apply to Darkfall as well? Or does the fact that it is doing something a bit different to other mmos somehow make it excempt from the rules?
You seem to think I'm defending Darkfall in some way, I'm not. I was just saying even though some games out there that don't have the graphics up to todays power can still be immersive and fun but animations are a completely different matter, frankly Darkfall is lacking seriously on NPC and character animations, for instance a few things popped out instantly to me, melee combat it doesn't seem to matter if you are using a sword, mace or axe you still get the same clumsy looking arm and hand slapping movement no matter what weapon is used and then there was the dwarf running out of a fortress near the end of the trailer, there was no smoothness to the animation at all, it looked incredibly stiff running down that hill as if the only thing that was animated were the little stubby dwarf legs.
Graphics I don't mind at all you can still be completely immersed in the atmosphere of a game even if the graphics aren't up to power (Diablo 1 and 2, Ultima online) but when it comes to NPC and character animations I expect them to be smooth and somewhat realistic for the model, from what I've seen Darkfall doesn't have that smoothness.
Diablo and Ultima Online came out in 1997. Diablo 2 came out 3 years after that. You may not have realised this but guess what? We are in 2008 now! Yeah thats right graphics have moved on since then. Darkfall is not being released 11 years ago.......although it has taken 7 years to make which is probably why it looks so outdated.
I remember playing the original Diablo and actually for its time it looked pretty good. Also it might be worth pointing out that when people talk about graphics in games it is generally assumed that they are referring to the overall look of the game which includes the animations. Its all part of the visual "feel" of a game.
Other games manage to look good so why cant that apply to Darkfall as well? Or does the fact that it is doing something a bit different to other mmos somehow make it excempt from the rules?
You seem to think I'm defending Darkfall in some way, I'm not. I was just saying even though some games out there that don't have the graphics up to todays power can still be immersive and fun but animations are a completely different matter, frankly Darkfall is lacking seriously on NPC and character animations, for instance a few things popped out instantly to me, melee combat it doesn't seem to matter if you are using a sword, mace or axe you still get the same clumsy looking arm and hand slapping movement no matter what weapon is used and then there was the dwarf running out of a fortress near the end of the trailer, there was no smoothness to the animation at all, it looked incredibly stiff running down that hill as if the only thing that was animated were the little stubby dwarf legs.
Oops silly me jumping off the deep end as usual. Apologies for that.
But yes I thought the same thing about the fighting animations too. There just didnt seem to be any skill or tactics involved. It didnt appear to matter what weapon you had......it was just "run at enemy and chop up and down with weapon". In fact the only animations that I remember being at least half decent were the mounts.
Graphics I don't mind at all you can still be completely immersed in the atmosphere of a game even if the graphics aren't up to power (Diablo 1 and 2, Ultima online) but when it comes to NPC and character animations I expect them to be smooth and somewhat realistic for the model, from what I've seen Darkfall doesn't have that smoothness.
Diablo and Ultima Online came out in 1997. Diablo 2 came out 3 years after that. You may not have realised this but guess what? We are in 2008 now! Yeah thats right graphics have moved on since then. Darkfall is not being released 11 years ago.......although it has taken 7 years to make which is probably why it looks so outdated.
I remember playing the original Diablo and actually for its time it looked pretty good. Also it might be worth pointing out that when people talk about graphics in games it is generally assumed that they are referring to the overall look of the game which includes the animations. Its all part of the visual "feel" of a game.
Other games manage to look good so why cant that apply to Darkfall as well? Or does the fact that it is doing something a bit different to other mmos somehow make it excempt from the rules?
You seem to think I'm defending Darkfall in some way, I'm not. I was just saying even though some games out there that don't have the graphics up to todays power can still be immersive and fun but animations are a completely different matter, frankly Darkfall is lacking seriously on NPC and character animations, for instance a few things popped out instantly to me, melee combat it doesn't seem to matter if you are using a sword, mace or axe you still get the same clumsy looking arm and hand slapping movement no matter what weapon is used and then there was the dwarf running out of a fortress near the end of the trailer, there was no smoothness to the animation at all, it looked incredibly stiff running down that hill as if the only thing that was animated were the little stubby dwarf legs.
Oops silly me jumping off the deep end as usual. Apologies for that.
But yes I thought the same thing about the fighting animations too. There just didnt seem to be any skill or tactics involved. It didnt appear to matter what weapon you had......it was just "run at enemy and chop up and down with weapon". In fact the only animations that I remember being at least half decent were the mounts.
i seen right to left attack left attacks over the ehad attack and stabbing and then dual weilding attack..
tactics what about the guy that got blasted offen the waterfall? from the other guy that went from meele with a sword backed up switch to staff. bam
granted the bigger battles didnt have the stragy part but get into beta and give feedback on the swings and stuff... all that can be worked on as long as the game works
Graphics I don't mind at all you can still be completely immersed in the atmosphere of a game even if the graphics aren't up to power (Diablo 1 and 2, Ultima online) but when it comes to NPC and character animations I expect them to be smooth and somewhat realistic for the model, from what I've seen Darkfall doesn't have that smoothness.
Diablo and Ultima Online came out in 1997. Diablo 2 came out 3 years after that. You may not have realised this but guess what? We are in 2008 now! Yeah thats right graphics have moved on since then. Darkfall is not being released 11 years ago.......although it has taken 7 years to make which is probably why it looks so outdated.
I remember playing the original Diablo and actually for its time it looked pretty good. Also it might be worth pointing out that when people talk about graphics in games it is generally assumed that they are referring to the overall look of the game which includes the animations. Its all part of the visual "feel" of a game.
Other games manage to look good so why cant that apply to Darkfall as well? Or does the fact that it is doing something a bit different to other mmos somehow make it excempt from the rules?
You seem to think I'm defending Darkfall in some way, I'm not. I was just saying even though some games out there that don't have the graphics up to todays power can still be immersive and fun but animations are a completely different matter, frankly Darkfall is lacking seriously on NPC and character animations, for instance a few things popped out instantly to me, melee combat it doesn't seem to matter if you are using a sword, mace or axe you still get the same clumsy looking arm and hand slapping movement no matter what weapon is used and then there was the dwarf running out of a fortress near the end of the trailer, there was no smoothness to the animation at all, it looked incredibly stiff running down that hill as if the only thing that was animated were the little stubby dwarf legs.
Oops silly me jumping off the deep end as usual. Apologies for that.
But yes I thought the same thing about the fighting animations too. There just didnt seem to be any skill or tactics involved. It didnt appear to matter what weapon you had......it was just "run at enemy and chop up and down with weapon". In fact the only animations that I remember being at least half decent were the mounts.
i seen right to left attack left attacks over the ehad attack and stabbing and then dual weilding attack..
tactics what about the guy that got blasted offen the waterfall? from the other guy that went from meele with a sword backed up switch to staff. bam
granted the bigger battles didnt have the stragy part but get into beta and give feedback on the swings and stuff... all that can be worked on as long as the game works
Yeah you're right it could all get ironed out before it gets released. Fingers crossed.
People who say that graphics matter are people who don't appreciate how far the gaming industry has come in terms of graphics. I can still vividly remember playing games before we had 3D video cards. I can still vividly remember playing Combat on the Atari 2600. So, for old timers like me, graphics aren't such a big deal. To me, whether 3D or not, graphics are only good if they do a decent job at representing the environment I am gaming in. If it feels immersive, the graphics are good. Doesn't matter if they are 2D tile based graphics or the latest 3D crap that I can barely run on my PC. In the end, GAMEPLAY > GRAPHICS!
This is a good point. After experiencing both extremes of the spectrum I have to say that graphics have very little impact on how much I enjoy a game. I might sit in awe of a game with great graphics for 20 minutes or so, but after the thrill has worn off, it is all gameplay from there.
Look at Runescape. It may still be a browser game but it just recently broke the world record for most popular free MMORPG of all time. Hell it even has over 200k active subscriptions. It brings in millions a month. I don't know why people say graphics matter so much.
Why are people saying that graphics matter? because people like me have been with games for about 30+ years? meaning I know what bad graphics are, I am also a gamer meaning I upgrade when needed, now if I wasn't a gamer I wouldn't upgrade as much and I would settle for less graphics, but as a gamer that upgrades afcourse I want my graphics to look good, but at the same time I also want my gameplay good, it must be a mix of the two.
And sorry I will not comment yet on the game (Darkfal) that I havn't played/tested to say if the graphic are good or bad, will comment on that when I have actualy play/tested the game and seen it on my own system before saying if they are good or bad.
I think that most the people making arguments against DFs graphics are pretty ignorant. Yes I think some things could use improvement.. namely character animations. But people bitching about the spell details and just the overall look of the graphics are fairly ignorant as to what this game is about and the limitations of the internet.
In a game like this you CAN'T have super graphics. You CAN'T compare this to WoW.. or WAR.. or any other traditional pve based mmo game. I don't care how good your computer is you'll end up getting lag in big pvp fights and then you've basically screwed over the game play.. but damn.. at least while you're frozen you can stare at some pretty good looking graphics. The problem is the internet. Big fights with good graphics and spell details = lag. Just a fact. The graphics are the way they are for a reason.. and yes some things can and should be improved but then we're talking animations more then the look of the graphics. and I'd be willing to bet that the graphics will look better to you when you're playing the game yourself rather then watching the video.
If the graphics would stop you from trying this game then you should stick with traditional pve games like WoW or EQ or even the PvE version of a PvP game.. WAR. If you haven't played Shadowbane or Ultima Online... then just stop posting you're negative opinions in this thread because you really can't understand a game like this until you've played one like it. Out of the games out there right now, EVE is really the only other game that could even come close right now to what Darkfall is like and it's still quite a bit different from Darkfall.
All I can really say is this.. If you like PvP.. then ignore your impressions of what the graphics are like and just try the game. DF says they expect everyone to be able to actually play the game before they buy it so it shouldn't take any risk by anyone to just give it a shot. I'd also suggest finding a decent guild because going it alone won't be fun.. unless that's really your thing.
Lol guys, so many good explanations, but none of them are correct.
This has nothing to do with graphics, or, for that matter, true "graphics" whiners. There are no graphics whiners on this forum.
The people who are ripping on the graphics today are the same people who were crying "Vaporware" yesterday.
They are either 2 things:
a) They've trolled these forums for several years, and don't want to stop. (Unlikely, most trolls move on to more fertile forums after a time)
b) They've unloaded so many arguments about why Darkfall is vaporware over the years that they can't bear to admit they're wrong.
I think the majority of them fall under section B.
They cannot bear to admit they were wrong, and they are also too proud to simply disappear from the forums and let the Darkfallers celebrate. They just hate Darkfall fans too much to let it go.
One thing is certain. This has nothing to do with graphics.
Lol guys, so many good explanations, but none of them are correct. This has nothing to do with graphics, or, for that matter, true "graphics" whiners. There are no graphics whiners on this forum. The people who are ripping on the graphics today are the same people who were crying "Vaporware" yesterday. They are either 2 things: a) They've trolled these forums for several years, and don't want to stop. (Unlikely, most trolls move on to more fertile forums after a time) b) They've unloaded so many arguments about why Darkfall is vaporware over the years that they can't bear to admit they're wrong. I think the majority of them fall under section B. They cannot bear to admit they were wrong, and they are also too proud to simply disappear from the forums and let the Darkfallers celebrate. They just hate Darkfall fans too much to let it go. One thing is certain. This has nothing to do with graphics.
Hmm, some interesting thoughts there. I think you might be right because the graphics look great to me. The animations need work but those aren't too difficult to fix.
One thing's for sure though, pride and ego are nasty animals.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Lol guys, so many good explanations, but none of them are correct. This has nothing to do with graphics, or, for that matter, true "graphics" whiners. There are no graphics whiners on this forum. The people who are ripping on the graphics today are the same people who were crying "Vaporware" yesterday. They are either 2 things: a) They've trolled these forums for several years, and don't want to stop. (Unlikely, most trolls move on to more fertile forums after a time) b) They've unloaded so many arguments about why Darkfall is vaporware over the years that they can't bear to admit they're wrong. I think the majority of them fall under section B. They cannot bear to admit they were wrong, and they are also too proud to simply disappear from the forums and let the Darkfallers celebrate. They just hate Darkfall fans too much to let it go. One thing is certain. This has nothing to do with graphics.
This couldn't be more true. A lot of us predicted this way before the video came out. We said that once it is released, and then beta, and then actual release, you guys will still find something to bash while completely ignoring the fact that you were wrong about the other topics.
Now to be fair graphics are based on personal opinion, so some people may not like them. But when the majority of people just say "graphics suck lol go back to 1990" or "not any better than eq or sb" then they are 100% wrong, and opinion is no longer a defense. It is just fact that their statements are incorrect.
We will never please them, but we never really felt like we had to. It is more in defense of new players wanting to learn about this game.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
It's pretty obvious. I've never seen this much whining about graphics before. In fact, the vast majority of gamers I talk to, from FPS players to RTS, all of them value gameplay far above graphics.
The only logical explanation is that they're simply the same old vaportrolls with a different face.
It's pretty obvious. I've never seen this much whining about graphics before. In fact, the vast majority of gamers I talk to, from FPS players to RTS, all of them value gameplay far above graphics. The only logical explanation is that they're simply the same old vaportrolls with a different face.
That may be true in some cases. Especially those who, as stated above, make ridiculous comparisons such as comparing the graphics to EQ1 or the like. That is just plain idiocy and obvious trolling.
However, anyone who claims Graphics are totally irrelevant is just the other side of the same medal. If graphics were totally irrelevant, we'd all be playing MUD's instead of MMO's. Much more freedom in those and no wasted power on Graphics at all!
Graphics are important, because they create an atmosphere and they let you experience the world. If they just feel plain -wrong- to some people, then that is their opinion and you can't well dismiss that because that opinion is just as valid as yours.
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No.......GAMEPLAY + GRAPHICS. They are both part of the package and should both be top quality.
I can run the latest "3D crap" easily on my PC and so can many people. I dont think games should have low quality graphics just to cater to people who have poor machines. However it is good if the graphics settings scale well between varying machines.
Oh and please dont say "But WoW catered to people with poor machines" because I actually think its graphics are rather good. They are "low quality" but the art style is well done and they make good use of what they had available. Darkfalls graphics are just simply outdated and poor.
As long as they fix those animations, spell effects,running and improve all the character models bar the mahrim which looked quite good, most people probably wont care past that about the graphical side of things, perhaps a bit on anti aliasing would help as well.
Its not that the graphics for Darkfall are shit, its that they are still shit after 8 years of development. Of course they could improve them, but theres no way they are doing that amount of work in the time span they are trying to set themselfs, along with all the bug fixing etc.
I would have more faith in this game if the developers were just honest, and admitted their game is not ready and still needs a lot of work, but instead it is very obvious they (and this is quite funny) are going to push the game out the door too early it seems (never thought I would say that about a game I first heard about when I was 12 lol)
Graphics dont matter in the large scheme of things, but that does not mean there is not a minimum standard that a game should atleast have, and Darkfall certaintly isnt at that standard.
That video really made the game look outdated, and coupled with the rather dull gameplay portrayed, and poor animations (I count spell effects as animations btw) it makes this game look terrible. It doesn't matter if it has potential when you take everything about this company and what they have been saying constantly into account.
Hopefully they will take their time to really make this game polished in beta, otherwise it will stand no chance of being comercially successful. I wont be surprised if they dont do this however.
.......but I agree with everything else you said. It may well have plenty of innovative features in it but the general quality of it does look incredibly poor considering the amount of time that has been spent on it. It seems pretty obvious that even after all that time it still isnt going to be ready when its release date arrives unless some kind of miracle occurs.
Graphics is the 1st thing you will notice in a game...but its the last thing that will keep you in a game.
AoC has top graphs,but at what cost?You cant pvp with more than 10-15 people without lowering the details.Sieges are unplayable at max details.None said "Ok, game is broken/bugged but i stay cause it has good graphs".
I agree that any game comes out today must have at least some decent graphs...but bottom line is that at the end of the day gameplay/fun factor is what makes a game succesfull or not.
If Darkfall fails,it wont be because of graphs.
If Darkfall fails it wont be because of its graphics (graphs?)? Are you sure about that? If its graphics really are awful when it gets released it may very well put off a lot of potential players. They will instead give their money to other better looking games.
If Darkfall fails it wont be because of its graphics (graphs?)? Are you sure about that? If its graphics really are awful when it gets released it may very well put off a lot of potential players. They will instead give their money to other better looking games.
Better looking games like AoC?
Wait first for the game to release,they are still in beta.Things may change but i doubt about that.Aventurine is a small company,thats their 1st mmo,so dont expect anything spectacular.
I play old schools games alright like golden axe , carnage and diablo2 , but these games were the best we could get in the years they were made graphic wise i understand what people are trying to say when they talk about DF ... but the gameplay is good is that your only criteria for a good game ? i hope not
i played shadowbane when it came out and this game had bad graphics but it make me think what DF is trying to do because of pvp , SB had the best pvp i ever played imo and the classes were so unique the way you could play with them anyways the point is , even though DF seem like a game with strong gameplay feature they should not be the only reason to play a game were in 2008 people and bad graphics and animations are no excuse.
this game remind me of shadowbane and roma victor very bad visuals and expect people to play the game because of pvp and some open lot system that rubbish go play eve instead and feel the pain of loss .
there alot of gfx whores out there
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I getting a bit sick of this graphics arguement.
I would put the graphics of this game somewhere between wow and aoc. Anyone who thinks that they are way out of date either has only watched the youtube video (in which all games look shit), is blind or is just here to troll.
I suspect most of it is that they are comparing youtube to downloaded trailers from other games which is retarded.
If Darkfall fails it wont be because of its graphics (graphs?)? Are you sure about that? If its graphics really are awful when it gets released it may very well put off a lot of potential players. They will instead give their money to other better looking games.
Better looking games like AoC?
Wait first for the game to release,they are still in beta.Things may change but i doubt about that.Aventurine is a small company,thats their 1st mmo,so dont expect anything spectacular.
Why have you brought up AoC twice? If lots of games with good graphics failed then you might be making some kind of point but this is just one game. Besides it did not fail because of its good graphics so it obviously does not prove that good graphics are not important. It received negative feedback because of its bads implementation, launch and bugs.
Oh and dont worry I'm not expecting anything spectacular from Darkfall I can assure you. Obviously I will wait for it to come out......what else am I going to do? I thought we were talking about why people say good graphics matter.
Diablo and Ultima Online came out in 1997. Diablo 2 came out 3 years after that. You may not have realised this but guess what? We are in 2008 now! Yeah thats right graphics have moved on since then. Darkfall is not being released 11 years ago.......although it has taken 7 years to make which is probably why it looks so outdated.
I remember playing the original Diablo and actually for its time it looked pretty good. Also it might be worth pointing out that when people talk about graphics in games it is generally assumed that they are referring to the overall look of the game which includes the animations. Its all part of the visual "feel" of a game.
Other games manage to look good so why cant that apply to Darkfall as well? Or does the fact that it is doing something a bit different to other mmos somehow make it excempt from the rules?
You seem to think I'm defending Darkfall in some way, I'm not. I was just saying even though some games out there that don't have the graphics up to todays power can still be immersive and fun but animations are a completely different matter, frankly Darkfall is lacking seriously on NPC and character animations, for instance a few things popped out instantly to me, melee combat it doesn't seem to matter if you are using a sword, mace or axe you still get the same clumsy looking arm and hand slapping movement no matter what weapon is used and then there was the dwarf running out of a fortress near the end of the trailer, there was no smoothness to the animation at all, it looked incredibly stiff running down that hill as if the only thing that was animated were the little stubby dwarf legs.
graphic whores..
because some people wont be happy untill they are plugged into the matrix lol
Diablo and Ultima Online came out in 1997. Diablo 2 came out 3 years after that. You may not have realised this but guess what? We are in 2008 now! Yeah thats right graphics have moved on since then. Darkfall is not being released 11 years ago.......although it has taken 7 years to make which is probably why it looks so outdated.
I remember playing the original Diablo and actually for its time it looked pretty good. Also it might be worth pointing out that when people talk about graphics in games it is generally assumed that they are referring to the overall look of the game which includes the animations. Its all part of the visual "feel" of a game.
Other games manage to look good so why cant that apply to Darkfall as well? Or does the fact that it is doing something a bit different to other mmos somehow make it excempt from the rules?
You seem to think I'm defending Darkfall in some way, I'm not. I was just saying even though some games out there that don't have the graphics up to todays power can still be immersive and fun but animations are a completely different matter, frankly Darkfall is lacking seriously on NPC and character animations, for instance a few things popped out instantly to me, melee combat it doesn't seem to matter if you are using a sword, mace or axe you still get the same clumsy looking arm and hand slapping movement no matter what weapon is used and then there was the dwarf running out of a fortress near the end of the trailer, there was no smoothness to the animation at all, it looked incredibly stiff running down that hill as if the only thing that was animated were the little stubby dwarf legs.
Oops silly me jumping off the deep end as usual. Apologies for that.
But yes I thought the same thing about the fighting animations too. There just didnt seem to be any skill or tactics involved. It didnt appear to matter what weapon you had......it was just "run at enemy and chop up and down with weapon". In fact the only animations that I remember being at least half decent were the mounts.
Diablo and Ultima Online came out in 1997. Diablo 2 came out 3 years after that. You may not have realised this but guess what? We are in 2008 now! Yeah thats right graphics have moved on since then. Darkfall is not being released 11 years ago.......although it has taken 7 years to make which is probably why it looks so outdated.
I remember playing the original Diablo and actually for its time it looked pretty good. Also it might be worth pointing out that when people talk about graphics in games it is generally assumed that they are referring to the overall look of the game which includes the animations. Its all part of the visual "feel" of a game.
Other games manage to look good so why cant that apply to Darkfall as well? Or does the fact that it is doing something a bit different to other mmos somehow make it excempt from the rules?
You seem to think I'm defending Darkfall in some way, I'm not. I was just saying even though some games out there that don't have the graphics up to todays power can still be immersive and fun but animations are a completely different matter, frankly Darkfall is lacking seriously on NPC and character animations, for instance a few things popped out instantly to me, melee combat it doesn't seem to matter if you are using a sword, mace or axe you still get the same clumsy looking arm and hand slapping movement no matter what weapon is used and then there was the dwarf running out of a fortress near the end of the trailer, there was no smoothness to the animation at all, it looked incredibly stiff running down that hill as if the only thing that was animated were the little stubby dwarf legs.
Oops silly me jumping off the deep end as usual. Apologies for that.
But yes I thought the same thing about the fighting animations too. There just didnt seem to be any skill or tactics involved. It didnt appear to matter what weapon you had......it was just "run at enemy and chop up and down with weapon". In fact the only animations that I remember being at least half decent were the mounts.
i seen right to left attack left attacks over the ehad attack and stabbing and then dual weilding attack..
tactics what about the guy that got blasted offen the waterfall? from the other guy that went from meele with a sword backed up switch to staff. bam
granted the bigger battles didnt have the stragy part but get into beta and give feedback on the swings and stuff... all that can be worked on as long as the game works
Diablo and Ultima Online came out in 1997. Diablo 2 came out 3 years after that. You may not have realised this but guess what? We are in 2008 now! Yeah thats right graphics have moved on since then. Darkfall is not being released 11 years ago.......although it has taken 7 years to make which is probably why it looks so outdated.
I remember playing the original Diablo and actually for its time it looked pretty good. Also it might be worth pointing out that when people talk about graphics in games it is generally assumed that they are referring to the overall look of the game which includes the animations. Its all part of the visual "feel" of a game.
Other games manage to look good so why cant that apply to Darkfall as well? Or does the fact that it is doing something a bit different to other mmos somehow make it excempt from the rules?
You seem to think I'm defending Darkfall in some way, I'm not. I was just saying even though some games out there that don't have the graphics up to todays power can still be immersive and fun but animations are a completely different matter, frankly Darkfall is lacking seriously on NPC and character animations, for instance a few things popped out instantly to me, melee combat it doesn't seem to matter if you are using a sword, mace or axe you still get the same clumsy looking arm and hand slapping movement no matter what weapon is used and then there was the dwarf running out of a fortress near the end of the trailer, there was no smoothness to the animation at all, it looked incredibly stiff running down that hill as if the only thing that was animated were the little stubby dwarf legs.
Oops silly me jumping off the deep end as usual. Apologies for that.
But yes I thought the same thing about the fighting animations too. There just didnt seem to be any skill or tactics involved. It didnt appear to matter what weapon you had......it was just "run at enemy and chop up and down with weapon". In fact the only animations that I remember being at least half decent were the mounts.
i seen right to left attack left attacks over the ehad attack and stabbing and then dual weilding attack..
tactics what about the guy that got blasted offen the waterfall? from the other guy that went from meele with a sword backed up switch to staff. bam
granted the bigger battles didnt have the stragy part but get into beta and give feedback on the swings and stuff... all that can be worked on as long as the game works
Yeah you're right it could all get ironed out before it gets released. Fingers crossed.
and release could get delayed it the game has issues when beta starts we have to just see what happens.
we should know by now they are willing to delay
This is a good point. After experiencing both extremes of the spectrum I have to say that graphics have very little impact on how much I enjoy a game. I might sit in awe of a game with great graphics for 20 minutes or so, but after the thrill has worn off, it is all gameplay from there.
Why are people saying that graphics matter? because people like me have been with games for about 30+ years? meaning I know what bad graphics are, I am also a gamer meaning I upgrade when needed, now if I wasn't a gamer I wouldn't upgrade as much and I would settle for less graphics, but as a gamer that upgrades afcourse I want my graphics to look good, but at the same time I also want my gameplay good, it must be a mix of the two.
And sorry I will not comment yet on the game (Darkfal) that I havn't played/tested to say if the graphic are good or bad, will comment on that when I have actualy play/tested the game and seen it on my own system before saying if they are good or bad.
I think that most the people making arguments against DFs graphics are pretty ignorant. Yes I think some things could use improvement.. namely character animations. But people bitching about the spell details and just the overall look of the graphics are fairly ignorant as to what this game is about and the limitations of the internet.
In a game like this you CAN'T have super graphics. You CAN'T compare this to WoW.. or WAR.. or any other traditional pve based mmo game. I don't care how good your computer is you'll end up getting lag in big pvp fights and then you've basically screwed over the game play.. but damn.. at least while you're frozen you can stare at some pretty good looking graphics.
The problem is the internet. Big fights with good graphics and spell details = lag. Just a fact. The graphics are the way they are for a reason.. and yes some things can and should be improved but then we're talking animations more then the look of the graphics. and I'd be willing to bet that the graphics will look better to you when you're playing the game yourself rather then watching the video.
If the graphics would stop you from trying this game then you should stick with traditional pve games like WoW or EQ or even the PvE version of a PvP game.. WAR. If you haven't played Shadowbane or Ultima Online... then just stop posting you're negative opinions in this thread because you really can't understand a game like this until you've played one like it. Out of the games out there right now, EVE is really the only other game that could even come close right now to what Darkfall is like and it's still quite a bit different from Darkfall.
All I can really say is this.. If you like PvP.. then ignore your impressions of what the graphics are like and just try the game. DF says they expect everyone to be able to actually play the game before they buy it so it shouldn't take any risk by anyone to just give it a shot. I'd also suggest finding a decent guild because going it alone won't be fun.. unless that's really your thing.
Lol guys, so many good explanations, but none of them are correct.
This has nothing to do with graphics, or, for that matter, true "graphics" whiners. There are no graphics whiners on this forum.
The people who are ripping on the graphics today are the same people who were crying "Vaporware" yesterday.
They are either 2 things:
a) They've trolled these forums for several years, and don't want to stop. (Unlikely, most trolls move on to more fertile forums after a time)
b) They've unloaded so many arguments about why Darkfall is vaporware over the years that they can't bear to admit they're wrong.
I think the majority of them fall under section B.
They cannot bear to admit they were wrong, and they are also too proud to simply disappear from the forums and let the Darkfallers celebrate. They just hate Darkfall fans too much to let it go.
One thing is certain. This has nothing to do with graphics.
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Darkfall wins. Vaportrolls lose.
Hmm, some interesting thoughts there. I think you might be right because the graphics look great to me. The animations need work but those aren't too difficult to fix.
One thing's for sure though, pride and ego are nasty animals.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
This couldn't be more true. A lot of us predicted this way before the video came out. We said that once it is released, and then beta, and then actual release, you guys will still find something to bash while completely ignoring the fact that you were wrong about the other topics.
Now to be fair graphics are based on personal opinion, so some people may not like them. But when the majority of people just say "graphics suck lol go back to 1990" or "not any better than eq or sb" then they are 100% wrong, and opinion is no longer a defense. It is just fact that their statements are incorrect.
We will never please them, but we never really felt like we had to. It is more in defense of new players wanting to learn about this game.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
It's pretty obvious. I've never seen this much whining about graphics before. In fact, the vast majority of gamers I talk to, from FPS players to RTS, all of them value gameplay far above graphics.
The only logical explanation is that they're simply the same old vaportrolls with a different face.
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Darkfall wins. Vaportrolls lose.
That may be true in some cases. Especially those who, as stated above, make ridiculous comparisons such as comparing the graphics to EQ1 or the like. That is just plain idiocy and obvious trolling.
However, anyone who claims Graphics are totally irrelevant is just the other side of the same medal. If graphics were totally irrelevant, we'd all be playing MUD's instead of MMO's. Much more freedom in those and no wasted power on Graphics at all!
Graphics are important, because they create an atmosphere and they let you experience the world. If they just feel plain -wrong- to some people, then that is their opinion and you can't well dismiss that because that opinion is just as valid as yours.
Cheers!
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